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Fight Master tv slot is changing
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modogg
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So i was checking to see if they released a line for the Eddie Alvarez - Chandler fight yet, and i see they have one for Tito-Ramapge. it is:
Tito +230
Rampage -310
I think this fight will be horrible, and was thinking i could not put money on either guy because they both are not desirable to back with any money at all. But either one of them bring more than +200 has me thinking it may be worth a little change. I mean neither guy is dominant in the least bit at this point, and I am not sure what Rampage can do to win a 3 round fight against Tito (Man, i hope it is 3 rounds. if it is 5 rounds :X ). My guess about how the fight will go is Rampage will throw one punch combos trying to swing for the fences and take Tito's head off. He will have zero defensive striking, and won't even bother moving his head or checking anything. I think Tito can probably get a takedown on Rampage at some point, and i would guess Rampage won't be able to get up if Tito can land a takedown. So does it make sense to take a flier on tito here?
i can't believe i am even thinking about this fight. i would rather analyze Kimbo Slice vs. Bob Sapp or something
Tito +230
Rampage -310
I think this fight will be horrible, and was thinking i could not put money on either guy because they both are not desirable to back with any money at all. But either one of them bring more than +200 has me thinking it may be worth a little change. I mean neither guy is dominant in the least bit at this point, and I am not sure what Rampage can do to win a 3 round fight against Tito (Man, i hope it is 3 rounds. if it is 5 rounds :X ). My guess about how the fight will go is Rampage will throw one punch combos trying to swing for the fences and take Tito's head off. He will have zero defensive striking, and won't even bother moving his head or checking anything. I think Tito can probably get a takedown on Rampage at some point, and i would guess Rampage won't be able to get up if Tito can land a takedown. So does it make sense to take a flier on tito here?
i can't believe i am even thinking about this fight. i would rather analyze Kimbo Slice vs. Bob Sapp or something
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Got to take Rampage here.
Good lord if he loses. His already fading career is dead. I also hope...pray.....it's a 3 round fight.
Good lord if he loses. His already fading career is dead. I also hope...pray.....it's a 3 round fight.
modogg
Footballguy
I don't know, I am not sure what Rampage's path to victory is. I am basing this on the last 3 years or so of what we have seen from Rampage. He won't take Tito down, which is a good thing. He certainly doesn't have that good of stand up, he is slow as molasses and telegraphs his shots like crazy. I can't remember the last time we saw Rampage hit somebody with some solid power to stun somebody. He may have got Bader with a shot in their fight, but outside of that i just can't think of a time lately where Rampage has stunned somebody. granted Tito sucks too, but in actuality a lot of his fights lately have been close. The Forrest fights were close,and I think Tito actually should have won their last one. I can't remember who else Tito was matched up with, but for the life of me i just don't know what rampage is able to do anymore fight wise.
ETA: I'm glad to hear Rampage keep talking up the fight with him and Roy Jones jr. though. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/8/13/4618488/rampage-jackson-says-roy-jones-jr-plan-was-boxing-and-mma-bouts-talks
I have always been a Roy Jones fan, and the guy is just old as dirt these days, so i would love to see him come out for an extra pay day and just light up Rampage like a Christmas tree. Roy is simply a shell of his former self, but there isn't any reason to think he wouldn't obliterate Rampage in a boxing match. I'm not sure Rampage would be able to land 1 shot on him
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I got nothing in defense of that video (drugs are bad, mkay) but I liked that guy on TUF.
Optimus
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
i don't know this hype train seems to be going 80 mph with no brakes. He should beat Halloway this weekend, but he has a long way to go yet. feathweight has some good guys in it now, i just hope they give him a good test on one of the end of the year cards. i know they don't want to throw him to the wolves, but i'll wait to get excited until we see how he does against a grinder like Guida or Lentz. Tons of exciting potential fights though. Be fun to see him take on Dennis Siver after Siver's latest loss to Cub.
ETA: thank God for Brian Stann retiring. I hate to constantly bag on the guy, but holy hell is his commentating annoying. i don't know why it irks as much as it does, but it is piercing.
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kutta
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I am really digging Fight Master. I like seeing the coaching stuff, and I like that they do two fights each week. TUF gets pretty boring and stupid with all the house antics. I actually prefer Fight Master to TUF.
modogg
Footballguy
TUF has certainly put more focus on the fights then they did 2-3 years ago. I just think Fight Master seems so fabricated and set up, and how all the coaches are mic'd so we can hear every moment of Joe Warren or Shamrock talking crap gets old after a bit. I still keep up with it, but the quality of the fighters seems below those on TUF too. i know that is a blanket statement because TUF has had some bad one's too, but it just seems like the already thin market of reality MMA prospects has been further pushed. I'm just being negative here too, because i have kept up with it, but i think i have also soured on Bellator pretty much with the whole pushing of Tito and Rampage and stuff.
What's going to be ugly is if they can muster enough support for Fight Master season 2. Seems like a perfect spot to throw Tito and Rampage, and hearing them every week will tire quickly, i think.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Fox has deals with Dish, Direct TV and TWC to launch Fox Sports 1 on Saturday, according to this just article. I have no idea what package FS1 will be in for any of the three carriers.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-fox-sports-distribution-20130814,0,5466870.story
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-fox-sports-distribution-20130814,0,5466870.story
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I agree the hype train is going overboard. I just love watching exciting strikers which he seems to be and he's a good ol' Irish boy who I have to root for. From the sounds of it he has little to no ground game he'll probably get dry humped to death by any good wrestler.
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modogg
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i'd like to see him change his camp to one of the top one's here in North America, and get some serious work with some of the wrestlers over here. If he doesn't, i'm not sure he won't fizzle out as bad as Uriah Hall. It's funny he is on the same card as him. I would love to see him work with Rufus' team, or the TriStar guys, or Alliance MMA (i think that is D. Cruz's, Phil Davis, and Michael Chandler's camp, right?)
Speaking of Uriah Hall, and i really think we could talk about almost every fight on this card because they should all be "fun", i am glad they were going to put him up against Salmon, and now Howard. I think Howard is a tougher match-up for him, but i think everybody would love to see him get a win this weekend and get some of that hype back a bit. Even if you didn't like his personality, you can't argue that he has some nice potential as an exciting fighter
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Nick Diaz offered a fight against Machida at 185 
ETA: Just looked at the lines for the first time for this weekend... Shogun is a dog!?!?!? Wow. I was expecting -250 or so.
ETA: Just looked at the lines for the first time for this weekend... Shogun is a dog!?!?!? Wow. I was expecting -250 or so.
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NewlyRetired
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Is anyone seeing FS1 showing up in their guides yet?
I was hoping to set my DVR for tomorrow but nothing is showing up on Direct TV for me at either the old Speed location or the new 219 location.
I was hoping to set my DVR for tomorrow but nothing is showing up on Direct TV for me at either the old Speed location or the new 219 location.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Matt Brown almost missed his weight. Came in at 171.5 and Dana looked like he wanted to kill him. He took off what little he had left on and just got to 171.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Faber looks more cut than I have ever seen him (never saw him at a weigh in, he may look different tomorrow). He has at least an 8 pack.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Somewhat looking forward to this one, although it's more for the undercard and first few main event fights than the main events. Shogun vs Sonnen? Really?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
This card is so good for the first time I am trying to figure out how to watch the facebook fights. Even if the main event is meh, this should be a fun night of fights.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Main event is one of the least interesting fights on the card.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
ESPN asking Connor McGregor if he was worried about being thrown to the wolves too early.
Connor McGregor: "I am the wolf"
Connor McGregor: "I am the wolf"
modogg
Footballguy
Man this guy knows how to do it. There is no way to not like this guy. The hype is way out of hand with him, and i just hope he gets lined up with the right trainers and training partners to last awhile. I'm sure everybody at the UFC thinks the same thing as wellESPN asking Connor McGregor if he was worried about being thrown to the wolves too early.
And the politicians in Boston sound like one of the most corrupt cities out there, and this is coming from a guy who lives in Philadelphia and sees outright corruption all the time. The latest clip is great with the president of the city council, a pretty big deal in city politics, stating how the "UFC promotes violence against women, and teaches kids how to rape" (http://www.mmamania.com/2013/8/16/4629042/stephen-murphy-ufc-teaches-kids-to-rape-promotes-violence-women-boston-city-council-president). the push to ban everyone under 18 from going to any MMA events is just insane. it would be hilarious if it wasn't a major political figure in a pretty big city.
modogg
Footballguy
I'm having a hard time finding too many fights with great value out there. Really sucks how the MMA lines have gotten much sharper, i hope they fall off during the football season with less attention coming to these cards.Cliff Clavin said:Nick Diaz offered a fight against Machida at 185
ETA: Just looked at the lines for the first time for this weekend... Shogun is a dog!?!?!? Wow. I was expecting -250 or so.
and i think the odds for that main event are actually pretty spot on. It isn't like Chael has looked bad in his last few fights, fighting Silva and Jones makes all the fights tough. I'm glad Shogun was training with Freddie Roach so much, and other things i have read make it sound like he is really training for this fight, but Chael took down Anderson almost at will, and i think he can do similar here as long as he doesn't get caught first. and i don't think that Shogun has the speed to catch him anymore
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Sounds similar to the group that went after Sonnen to deny his license
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=447349&p=15805453
This culinary union is a beef with the Fertitta's I believe. Story's came out about this mess a few weeks ago
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_17899.shtml
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I just don't see how Sonnen wins. He hasn't won at LHW since 2006 now he is going to step up there and beat Shogun? How? He definitely isn't going to KO him. Can't see him subbing him unless it is reeeal late and Shogun is gassed, which I guess is a possibility. But for that to happen, Sonnen has to not get caught in a sub or KO'd. I dunno, I'm going in heavy on Shogun. Sonnen has just talked his way into another fight he can't win IMO.I'm having a hard time finding too many fights with great value out there. Really sucks how the MMA lines have gotten much sharper, i hope they fall off during the football season with less attention coming to these cards.Cliff Clavin said:Nick Diaz offered a fight against Machida at 185
ETA: Just looked at the lines for the first time for this weekend... Shogun is a dog!?!?!? Wow. I was expecting -250 or so.
and i think the odds for that main event are actually pretty spot on. It isn't like Chael has looked bad in his last few fights, fighting Silva and Jones makes all the fights tough. I'm glad Shogun was training with Freddie Roach so much, and other things i have read make it sound like he is really training for this fight, but Chael took down Anderson almost at will, and i think he can do similar here as long as he doesn't get caught first. and i don't think that Shogun has the speed to catch him anymore
modogg
Footballguy
It is one of those fights that can go either way i think. Anderson is a strong and big 185'er, and Chael took him down pretty easily (with a broken rib though). I think what will play a factor here is the judges. And with the card being in boston, I am not sure about the athletic commission up there and who they may bring on as judges (i would look them up, but honestly just feeling lazy). I think Chael will get takedowns, maybe more than 1 in a round or 2. So the fight may come down to how the judges value that, since i don't necessarily see Shogun knocking Chael out, and i have to think Chael can avoid a triangle at this point. If Chael can avoid getting knocked silly, which i think he can do after training for Jones and Silva, i think he can steal a decision here.I just don't see how Sonnen wins. He hasn't won at LHW since 2006 now he is going to step up there and beat Shogun? How? He definitely isn't going to KO him. Can't see him subbing him unless it is reeeal late and Shogun is gassed, which I guess is a possibility. But for that to happen, Sonnen has to not get caught in a sub or KO'd. I dunno, I'm going in heavy on Shogun. Sonnen has just talked his way into another fight he can't win IMO.I'm having a hard time finding too many fights with great value out there. Really sucks how the MMA lines have gotten much sharper, i hope they fall off during the football season with less attention coming to these cards.Cliff Clavin said:Nick Diaz offered a fight against Machida at 185
ETA: Just looked at the lines for the first time for this weekend... Shogun is a dog!?!?!? Wow. I was expecting -250 or so.
and i think the odds for that main event are actually pretty spot on. It isn't like Chael has looked bad in his last few fights, fighting Silva and Jones makes all the fights tough. I'm glad Shogun was training with Freddie Roach so much, and other things i have read make it sound like he is really training for this fight, but Chael took down Anderson almost at will, and i think he can do similar here as long as he doesn't get caught first. and i don't think that Shogun has the speed to catch him anymore
I really think the judging will be crucial for this one. And of course maybe I am still still feeling bummed from that machida-Davis fight, and might be over-valuing the takedowns. Without a doubt Chael does talk his way into fights, but he always shows up in shape and prepared to fight. If he can avoid getting killed in the first round, I think he can grind Shogun over the next 2 and win the most boring fight of the night
ETA: And I can't help but think of the Shogun we saw against Mark Coleman and Forrest Griffin. I know that was awhile ago, and he seems to be on point better now, but his inconsistency is just crazy. Hard to know which Shogun will show up, and i didn't see the weigh-ins to see what kind of shape he is in
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Yup! Saw that come up this morning. DVR is set to record.
Very much looking forward to this!
sheerterror
Footballguy
Love Sonnen at +110. It's pretty clear what Sonnen's path to victory is. And he does it pretty damn well. And will do it against a guy with no gas tank. Strong wrestlers like Sonnen are an auto bet for me at a plus number unless it's against truly elite competition (i.e. Anderson Silva.)
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Guess I'm on my own with Shogun. Sonnen will get a few takedowns but I don't think he can hold Shogun down for long. On the feet, Shogun is going to pummel him.
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
2 fights, 3 minutes.
sheerterror
Footballguy
He's shown a penchant for gassing. Sonnen's grinding style will have effect Shogun's effectiveness by no later than midway through the fight IMO. If Sonnen avoids any deadly combos, I think he takes a decision.
modogg
Footballguy
sheerterror
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
i just grabbed Faber at -205. that is a feasible play, he opened at -280 i think. and i think i will ride Ubereem at that number, depending how some of these other plays turn out
sheerterror
Footballguy
Love that they are openly broadcasting and talking about betting lines. Big push to make this more interesting for the casual crowd.
modogg
Footballguy
and hopefully bring in more general action on the lines. we could see McGreggor -1000 next fight no matter who he is fighting
and Brandao looks real good. His work with Greg Jackson has developed his game great, i think he will be a mainstay in the division for awhile and will be top 5 at some point in the next year
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
FOTN already? Guys putting on a show.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Agree with this. I don't think Shogun is really looking for competitive fights anymore. Which means he thinks Sonnen is beatable (true), but he seems like he's in Rampage mode and won't be training all that hard for this fight. He can and should win, but I don't expect much out of him anymore.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Siler is one of the reasons I wanted to check this undercard. Nice KO there and good stop.
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sheerterror
Footballguy
The fact that he's putting in work with Freddie Roach means nothing to me. He's a great striker, much better than Sonnen. We know this. If he really CARED about this fight, we'd have heard he was putting in extra work in the wrestling department.
sheerterror
Footballguy
PARLAY (5 TEAMS)
[24202] CHAEL SONNEN +130
(MAURICIO RUA vrs CHAEL SONNEN)
[24206] ALISTAIR OVEREEM -175
(TRAVIS BROWNE vrs ALISTAIR OVEREEM)
[24213] MIKE PYLE +130
(MIKE PYLE vrs MATT BROWN)
[24233] STEVEN SILER +175
(STEVEN SILER vrs MIKE BROWN)
[24238] DIEGO BRANDAO -210
(DANIEL PINEDA vrs DIEGO BRANDAO)
C'mon baby, 3 more to a nice pay day.
[24202] CHAEL SONNEN +130
(MAURICIO RUA vrs CHAEL SONNEN)
[24206] ALISTAIR OVEREEM -175
(TRAVIS BROWNE vrs ALISTAIR OVEREEM)
[24213] MIKE PYLE +130
(MIKE PYLE vrs MATT BROWN)
[24233] STEVEN SILER +175
(STEVEN SILER vrs MIKE BROWN)
[24238] DIEGO BRANDAO -210
(DANIEL PINEDA vrs DIEGO BRANDAO)
C'mon baby, 3 more to a nice pay day.
modogg
Footballguy
yeah, but his sponsor has to work on their logo. I think that is supposed to be a piece of broccoli, but it looks like a penis on his hat
modogg
Footballguy
nice, looks good. I would be concerned about the Pyle leg and maybe put a little on Brown to balance it out if you need it. but yeah, i had 2 parlays and i let the lines dictate my plays and got nervous about too many dogs.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Small enough risk that I'll be letting it ride. 16:1 though.
Really been impressed with Pyle. I think he knows what he has at stake, takes this to the floor to be safe, and subs Brown at some point.
Really been impressed with Pyle. I think he knows what he has at stake, takes this to the floor to be safe, and subs Brown at some point.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Damn, McGregor is fun to watch.
I love this guy.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Well his ground game was certainly better than advertised. Impressive performance. Seems like he may have gassed a bit towards the end.
ETA: Guess it was a knee injury and not gassing.
ETA: Guess it was a knee injury and not gassing.
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