SacramentoBob
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Dana: "I fell asleep during the Carmont fight".
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UFC wagering: breaking news - judging is so terrible it got me to return here to update this thread title (8 Viewers)
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Jack Burton
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Interesting that Barao won KO because I thought it may hve been an early stopage.
Jack Burton
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Yeah that was a good one. GSP Condit was a good battle tooAldo - Hominick was pretty badass.Pretty much exactly what I thought when they were announcing scores.
Greatest title fight ever? I'm kind of drawing a blank to think of one that compares but I'm sure there is. Anybody?
Just because Jones didn't dominate like he was supposed to doesn't mean he didn't win. I think it's very tough to score the first three rounds all for Gustafsson unless you just don't like Jones. I thought he took rounds 2, 4, and 5 and considered 1 and 3 to be toss-ups.
Jack Burton
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Jones won 2 rds and Gust won 2 rds, and it was very close on one rnd any way you slice it.
Jones won 4 and 5 while Gust won 1and 3. Round 2 was 50/50. Tie goes to the champ.
Jones won 4 and 5 while Gust won 1and 3. Round 2 was 50/50. Tie goes to the champ.
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IC FBGCav
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Without a doubt, Gus won the first 2:00 of the 5th round, not even close. Jones takes him down then and doesn't do anything. After that he throws 5 head kicks most if not all are blocked, he did land a very clean elbow. This is on a rewatch, not so sure Jones won that round.
I think being gased and putting his hands on his hips cost him the round.
Edit: Head Kick at 2:20 definitely hit for Jones. And just because Jones was landing it wasn't like Gus had no points of his own.
I think being gased and putting his hands on his hips cost him the round.
Edit: Head Kick at 2:20 definitely hit for Jones. And just because Jones was landing it wasn't like Gus had no points of his own.
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kutta
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My wife and I were talking about this during the fight. We are so used to Jones dominating, that when he doesn't, we think he is losing.But holy crap. What a great freaking fight. We need more of those.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Was at a wedding and missed this. Can't wait to go home and download this fight.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
For an unbiased look at the stats instead of the emotional "Jones didn't dominate so he lost" reactions, Fight Metric had it 355 to 303 Jones.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/09/jones-vs-gustafsson-official-ufc.html
Round 1 clearly for Gustav.
Round 4-5 clearly for Jones.
Rounds 2-3 basically a tie
49-48 Jones using a 10-point must system.
355-305 Jones using their fight performance metric.
134-110 significant strikes advantage for Jones.
If you look at the striking chart, almost 50% of the strikes Gustav landed were jabs to the head, so they are more visible strikes to observers and easier to score IMO.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/09/jones-vs-gustafsson-official-ufc.html
Round 1 clearly for Gustav.
Round 4-5 clearly for Jones.
Rounds 2-3 basically a tie
49-48 Jones using a 10-point must system.
355-305 Jones using their fight performance metric.
134-110 significant strikes advantage for Jones.
If you look at the striking chart, almost 50% of the strikes Gustav landed were jabs to the head, so they are more visible strikes to observers and easier to score IMO.
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Plus, Gustafsson grazed Jones in the first and cut his eyelid. That eye obviously looked worse as the fight went on.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
AhrnCityPahnder
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
I was ok with the decision going either way. That was an awesome fight.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Dana mentioned that there might be an upcoming opportunity for Schaub to step in and fight since last night was a short fight. Looking at the list of upcoming fights, only UFC 166 has booked HW fights. Since it's unlikely he steps in for JDS, Cain, Cormier or Nelson, it's looking like there might be a problem with the Gonzaga - Jordan fight on October 19. That's the only one that makes sense for his skill level. 
3C's
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Ha. Not when Zuffa can make some money. Most every place had their links shut down this morning. There are places you can get them though with some effort.
EYLive
Footballguy
MMAlinker used to be good, and MMAbloodsport hasn't updated the video blog in months. I guess Zuffa's really cracking down.
modogg
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i think they are really trying to push the UFC channel on youtube. It might be something like $5 a month, and i think they are supposed to give access to all the fights like a day or 2 after it.
MMAlinker used to be good, and MMAbloodsport hasn't updated the video blog in months. I guess Zuffa's really cracking down.
SacramentoBob
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mmaversus is my go to for fight replays.
EYLive
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You, sir, just earned yourself a 5 star rating from me.
Cliff Clavin
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Thats how I had it.
Really wish they'd ban Jone's knee kick. Just seems dirty.
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Sebowski
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bonesman
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daaaaamn... I went back and watched rnd 2 before the decision was announced and had Jones winning it pretty convincingly. As many have said, so used to see him dominating that when he's eeking ahead it feels like he's losing.
Love that pic of him and Gus in the hospital. Was thinking they should get a drink together when they were talking in the ring post fight... definitely nothing but respect. Beautiful thing. They will definitely meet again.
Love that pic of him and Gus in the hospital. Was thinking they should get a drink together when they were talking in the ring post fight... definitely nothing but respect. Beautiful thing. They will definitely meet again.
Paulymaggs
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Very good card all around.
I am loving the new 'parity' that I'm seeing throughout the different classes as a whole. A shame that the overall MMA/UFC hype seems to be down at a time like this though.
I am loving the new 'parity' that I'm seeing throughout the different classes as a whole. A shame that the overall MMA/UFC hype seems to be down at a time like this though.
NutterButter
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I have no problem with the knee kick, but I can't see how having one's foot stomped on is the same as having one's knee hyper-extended.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Yeah... possibly breaking a bone in a guys foot is nowhere near the same as potentially ending a guys career with a blown out knee.
modogg
Footballguy
I don't know if MMA/UFC hype is down at this point. There is more to get distracted by, and as opposed to when we used to get 1 card a month (man, it is crazy how that was maybe a year ago or something, and how much it has changed), there is just so much going on it can be hard to keep up with all of it. But as long as they still have fights like this past weekend, the UFC hype will never go that far down.
I can see the argument a bit though if i do think about it. It may be that the amount of cards makes it so that we can't examine cards for as long. Thinking about how huge Pettis' win over Henderson was, we probably should have had 2-3 weeks of hype before the fight, and then 2-3 weeks of analysis after it since it was a title change. But it seems like as soon as a card is over the next one is right around the corner and we don't enjoy or savor the victory as much as maybe we used to.
Also not sure of how much of a big deal that is, and what long term implications may be. Look at the NFL, you get exciting games all the time in the NFL, but they are often short lived. Like 49'ers-Patriots last year, or i'm sure there are quite a few already from this year. Not sure of the long-term impact of what that does, but i imagine it is comparable.
I also think this many shows will not be a long-term thing. A lot of it was because of the push for Fox Sports 1, and still is. we definitely have more shows, but not sure it will be like we have seen where we have 3 shows in 11 days. I know one of Dana's goals was to have a weekly show like boxing used to have Tuesday night fights, and i'm not sure how that will ever look. Would it be a simple weekly show that Dana isn't involved with and not all the pre-fight hyper and post-conference stuff? or will that be too much of a change from the current model
EYLive
Footballguy
I'm not talking about the worst-case result of the strike.
What angle should the kick strike the knee where it wouldn't be considered dirty? I haven't heard a single fighter, male or female, complain about that type of kick.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Just fnished all the prelims and the main card.
Poor card overall, so many dog fights in the FS1 prelims.
Both title fights were fun and the LHW in particular was fantastic. I have a lot of respect for both fighters, classic war.
Poor card overall, so many dog fights in the FS1 prelims.
Both title fights were fun and the LHW in particular was fantastic. I have a lot of respect for both fighters, classic war.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
They are always available on torrent in HD within a few hours after the fight. Downloading can be slow but you will always have it reasy for you the next day to watch if you want.
Phinneas Q. Butterfat
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I think in the 209, they have reunions based on when you started high school. That way more than a dozen people will show up.
Seriously? Jury and Ricci was a snoozer, but the other fights were good. Gagnon was excellent against Kimura. Oh well.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
There were three, barely 1 star fights on the card IMO. I can never remember that many truly awful fights. It did not help that they came so close together on the card which is likely making them seem worse to me than they were.
Jury v Ricci
Menjivar v Reus
Philippou v Carmont
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Heartbreaking :(
Feel so bad for the vets who seem to have missed their window by a few years.
Feel so bad for the vets who seem to have missed their window by a few years.
modogg
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EYLive
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