GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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Doctor Detroit
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This is a good sign. It means he's hurt now and may actually play 90 games this season.
PatsWillWin
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Wrong and wrong.
ThisGuy
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PatsWillWin
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Negative. If you have a theory that the Sox are manipulating the results of a physical to get out of a deal that they agreed to less than a week ago, then you prove it.Prove it. The Sox are looking for a way out. It's an awful signing.
ThisGuy
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Ummm, they are getting ripped in the press AND they haven't announced the signing yet. I guess $214million+ in an offseason doesn't buy what it used to.Negative. If you have a theory that the Sox are manipulating the results of a physical to get out of a deal that they agreed to less than a week ago, then you prove it.
Oh and how does your SnakeEyes alias feel about this?HarryManback
Hot Pead
I hope we can get out of this signing, not a big Drew fan here.
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PatsWillWin
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I feel like I'm talking to a drunk person. Did you not read the article? Maz said that they're not announcing the signing because of the failed physical. You're claiming that the failed physical has nothing to do with the lack of an announcment of the signing - and as evidence you're using the fact that the signing has not been announced?Ummm, they are getting ripped in the press AND they haven't announced the signing yet. I guess $214million+ in an offseason doesn't buy what it used to.Negative. If you have a theory that the Sox are manipulating the results of a physical to get out of a deal that they agreed to less than a week ago, then you prove it.Prove it. The Sox are looking for a way out. It's an awful signing.
It's true that fans don't like the Drew signing. It's still a pretty huge leap to say that they're backing away from signing a guy that they think is worth $70 million because they're getting "killed" in the media.
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the moops
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You all realize that JD Drew is an excellent ballplayer, right?I'm sure none of those Dodger fans were complaining about him when he was leading them to the playoffs last year.
ThisGuy
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I knew you'd come around
As a Yankees fan, nothing excites me more than seeing Boston saddled with Lugo and Drew for the next 4-6 years. I think Boston will use this as a way to lessen the blow, if not entirely eliminate this problem. It's fun seeing you guys go through the chaotic offseason for a change.SteelCurtain
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Ummmm....the day JD Drew opted out of the Dodgers contract, the rumors of him going to Boston came up. Red Sox fans unilaterally voiced displeasure with the deal. The deal still got done weeks later. And you are saying NOW they are trying to get out of it? I'm sorry, that makes no sense.Ummm, they are getting ripped in the press AND they haven't announced the signing yet. I guess $214million+ in an offseason doesn't buy what it used to.Negative. If you have a theory that the Sox are manipulating the results of a physical to get out of a deal that they agreed to less than a week ago, then you prove it.
This ownership group isn't about to let the fans determine what moves the team makes. Johnny Damon was extremely popular among the fanbase.....and ownership essentially let him go. Pedro was popular to a large segment of the population and the Sox let him go. The team traded Nomar Garciaparra.
I know you are a Yankee fan and you love to kill the Red Sox whenever you can. But you don't have facts correct in this case.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Bill Simmons had some interesting things to say about the Drew signing:
the moops
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Julio Lugo at 9 million a year, in this market is just about right. They won't be regretting that contract.JD Drew, at 15 million, is also a market deal. Now, if he can't stay healthy, then of course it is a bad deal. This problem with the shoulder may be a huge blessing. Language inserted in the contract will protect them from any future shoulder injuries.Glad they didnt trade Manny!I knew you'd come aroundScrew Drew. Let the WMP Era commence.
PatsWillWin
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this is key.
ThisGuy
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I love to kill the Sox because their fans are so GD awful. I might not have facts, but I have a pretty air-tight theory. They got into negotiations with Drew because they thought they could move Manny. Anyway you attempt to paint it, it's an awful signing, and I don't need a Harvard degree to tell me that.
ThisGuy
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Is Lugo's bat worth that much more to the Sox than Alex Gonzalez's Glove?Julio Lugo at 9 million a year, in this market is just about right. They won't be regretting that contract.JD Drew, at 15 million, is also a market deal. Now, if he can't stay healthy, then of course it is a bad deal. This problem with the shoulder may be a huge blessing. Language inserted in the contract will protect them from any future shoulder injuries.Glad they didnt trade Manny!I knew you'd come around
PatsWillWin
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Gatorhater
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This may be the most talented 83-79 team on paper ever.
Koya
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EXACTLY.So, now that we know to ignore thisguy...
SteelCurtain
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I don't like the signing, but to suggest the Red Sox are scrambling to get out of that deal because of the reaction of the fanbase is just plain wrong. The Drew signing has NOTHING to do with Manny. I think all along they knew the Manny trade option was 50/50 at best. They have tried moving him each of the last few offseasons to no luck. So, what makes you sure they were going to move him this year? The Red Sox AND Yankees have both had some dreadful signings in the past (Pavano, Clement, Kevin Brown, Renteria, etc.) Yes, all Red Sox fans are "GD awful".I love to kill the Sox because their fans are so GD awful. I might not have facts, but I have a pretty air-tight theory. They got into negotiations with Drew because they thought they could move Manny. Anyway you attempt to paint it, it's an awful signing, and I don't need a Harvard degree to tell me that.
Apparently, you are clueless if you don't think there are moronic fans on both sides. I won't suggest what type of Yankee fan YOU are.
the moops
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Defensively they are a wash. A few systems (UZR for one) has Lugo as better than Gonzalez.The difference in batting is ridiculously huge. Alex Gonzalez had an OBP of 299 last year. Thats right, 299. He would need to have 12 foot long arms to make up for that with his defense.Is Lugo's bat worth that much more to the Sox than Alex Gonzalez's Glove?Julio Lugo at 9 million a year, in this market is just about right. They won't be regretting that contract.JD Drew, at 15 million, is also a market deal. Now, if he can't stay healthy, then of course it is a bad deal. This problem with the shoulder may be a huge blessing. Language inserted in the contract will protect them from any future shoulder injuries.Glad they didnt trade Manny!I knew you'd come around
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Jefferson the Caregiver
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From what I can tell, the Sox just want to get a little more language worked into the contract so that they can protect themselves a tad in case he does get a big injury down the line.
I really think this is much ado about nothing. Unless there is something seriously screwed up with the guy (which I highly doubt), the Sox are not opting out but it is smart to get anything extra they can in the contract.
No big deal, the damage is already done. I am not a fan of this signing but I will try to be somewhat optimistic that they can get a couple of decent years out of the guy.
I really think this is much ado about nothing. Unless there is something seriously screwed up with the guy (which I highly doubt), the Sox are not opting out but it is smart to get anything extra they can in the contract.
No big deal, the damage is already done. I am not a fan of this signing but I will try to be somewhat optimistic that they can get a couple of decent years out of the guy.
ThisGuy
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Oh lighten up, Francis.I don't like the signing, but to suggest the Red Sox are scrambling to get out of that deal because of the reaction of the fanbase is just plain wrong. The Drew signing has NOTHING to do with Manny. I think all along they knew the Manny trade option was 50/50 at best. They have tried moving him each of the last few offseasons to no luck. So, what makes you sure they were going to move him this year? The Red Sox AND Yankees have both had some dreadful signings in the past (Pavano, Clement, Kevin Brown, Renteria, etc.) Yes, all Red Sox fans are "GD awful".I love to kill the Sox because their fans are so GD awful. I might not have facts, but I have a pretty air-tight theory. They got into negotiations with Drew because they thought they could move Manny. Anyway you attempt to paint it, it's an awful signing, and I don't need a Harvard degree to tell me that.
ThisGuy
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If you add up the games he plays in the life of his contract, that may add up to a couple of decent years.
SteelCurtain
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Am I supposed to lighten up because each of your air tight theory's have holes in them? If you hate Red Sox fans, then perhaps you should stay out of Red Sox threads as they tend to have a lot of Sox fans in them. Just a thought.....Oh lighten up, Francis.I don't like the signing, but to suggest the Red Sox are scrambling to get out of that deal because of the reaction of the fanbase is just plain wrong. The Drew signing has NOTHING to do with Manny. I think all along they knew the Manny trade option was 50/50 at best. They have tried moving him each of the last few offseasons to no luck. So, what makes you sure they were going to move him this year? The Red Sox AND Yankees have both had some dreadful signings in the past (Pavano, Clement, Kevin Brown, Renteria, etc.) Yes, all Red Sox fans are "GD awful".I love to kill the Sox because their fans are so GD awful. I might not have facts, but I have a pretty air-tight theory. They got into negotiations with Drew because they thought they could move Manny. Anyway you attempt to paint it, it's an awful signing, and I don't need a Harvard degree to tell me that.
PatsWillWin
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Carl Pavano down?If you add up the games he plays in the life of his contract, that may add up to a couple of decent years.
Jefferson the Caregiver
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I really hate that I have to defend the guy but while his last five years aren't perfect, they are far from lost seasons too..
Except for 2005 with kind of a freak injury to his wrist, he has a decent amount of games played.
2002 135 GP
2003 100 GP
2004 145 GP
2005 72 GP (broken wrist)
2006 146 GP
Except for 2005 with kind of a freak injury to his wrist, he has a decent amount of games played.
2002 135 GP
2003 100 GP
2004 145 GP
2005 72 GP (broken wrist)
2006 146 GP
ThisGuy
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Who?Matt Clement?Carl Pavano down?If you add up the games he plays in the life of his contract, that may add up to a couple of decent years.
Jefferson the Caregiver
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I actually think this is BS.If you have heard other GMs at all, they have stated that the Sox asking price for Manny was very high. Some GMs wondered if the Sox were ever serious about trading Manny or it was just a charade so they could tell Manny they tried to move him again.
ThisGuy
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Fact of the matter is, they cannot get equal value for Manny because of the size of the contract, and his value at the plate. Teams know this and were trying to take advantage.
What guy in his prime is going to sign a contract with an opt out clause due to injury?JD Drew may be fragile but he aint an idiot.Pavano and Clement were never injury prone either.Who?Matt Clement?Carl Pavano down?If you add up the games he plays in the life of his contract, that may add up to a couple of decent years.
the moops
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Size of his contract and value at the plate?What does that mean? His contract is a value looking at the other signings this offseason. He is a much, much better hitter than Soriano or Lee.The Sox couldn't get fair value so they kept him. Simple as that.
ThisGuy
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But that's what I said. I'll type slower next time, K?
MrJimmy
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Drew is a career .393 OBP guy (.904 OPS) These are the numbers that matter most to Sox brass. Theo wants tough outs 1-9. Bigger nerds than I have projected the Red Sox to have a .360 team OBP and an .828 OPS. If that comes to fruition, it will likely top the league.
I'm not thrilled with what I hear about Drew either, but he can rake when he plays. Better OFer than Nixon too. I think Sox fans should relax and give the guy a chance.
I'm not thrilled with what I hear about Drew either, but he can rake when he plays. Better OFer than Nixon too. I think Sox fans should relax and give the guy a chance.
MrJimmy
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Manny's contract is not the albatross it once was.
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Don't sell yourself short, guy.Drew is a career .393 OBP guy (.904 OPS) These are the numbers that matter most to Sox brass. Theo wants tough outs 1-9. Bigger nerds than I have projected the Red Sox to have a .360 team OBP and an .828 OPS. If that comes to fruition, it will likely top the league.
SteelCurtain
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I think the injury reputation is a little unfair as he has had many injuries that are freakish (getting HBP). However, I think his reputation regarding his personality and lack of intensity make Red Sox fans very nervous. Boston fans are not forgiving. Unless your name is Manny, they won't put up with less than 100%. Hence the popularity of Johnny Damon, Trot Nixon, Jason Varitek, etc. Those guys leave it all on the field. If Drew isn't perceived as giving it everything he's got AND he has a slow start, the Sox fans will get all over him. (See Renteria) There are many players that can't handle playing in the hotbeds of NY and Boston. I think there are serious questions about JD Drew has that mental toughness. We'll see.....Drew is a career .393 OBP guy (.904 OPS) These are the numbers that matter most to Sox brass. Theo wants tough outs 1-9. Bigger nerds than I have projected the Red Sox to have a .360 team OBP and an .828 OPS. If that comes to fruition, it will likely top the league.
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MrJimmy
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No, really. Some guy took ZiPS, James, and Shandler projections, and actuals from last year, (and he's anxiously awaiting the PECOTA numbers)-averaged them together and voila!Don't sell yourself short, guy.Drew is a career .393 OBP guy (.904 OPS) These are the numbers that matter most to Sox brass. Theo wants tough outs 1-9. Bigger nerds than I have projected the Red Sox to have a .360 team OBP and an .828 OPS. If that comes to fruition, it will likely top the league.
BTW- Manny's numbers border on insane. One of the greatest hitters of all time. Certainly the best I've ever seen.
ThisGuy
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Bill Pecota sucked and his #'s are very overrated.No, really. Some guy took ZiPS, James, and Shandler projections, and actuals from last year, (and he's anxiously awaiting the PECOTA numbers)-averaged them together and voila!Don't sell yourself short, guy.Drew is a career .393 OBP guy (.904 OPS) These are the numbers that matter most to Sox brass. Theo wants tough outs 1-9. Bigger nerds than I have projected the Red Sox to have a .360 team OBP and an .828 OPS. If that comes to fruition, it will likely top the league.
BTW- Manny's numbers border on insane. One of the greatest hitters of all time. Certainly the best I've ever seen.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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The Red Sox and Cubs are vying to equal the Washington Redskins last offseason.
pelland
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Listen to Jefferson! Drew will be in right field and will be an excellent #5 brhind Papi + Manny!
I loved Trot but he was hurt more than Drew!
TLEF316
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how in the world is 14 mil per year for drew a steal? The guy's average year is like .286, 20 HR and 65 RBI. he's only driven in over 73 runs twice in 9 years
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