Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Sabertooth
- Start date
Sabertooth
Footballguy
What happened to the Kettleblacks? They kind of cracked me up in the books.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Knowing what happens in the synopsis that is the show post season five (six?), I can't wait to read the full telling with all the detail, linkages, and etc.
TWOW is obviously pretty close at this point. But at ~7 years a book I do worry about the last one.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Has anyone listened to the audiobooks? But it appears that the narrator for the audiobooks is terrible.
I would love to get into the series b/c of what everyone says about the differences between the books and show. IDK if the narrator issue will ruin it.
I'm not a reader, so I doubt I'd be able to get through the actual books.
I would love to get into the series b/c of what everyone says about the differences between the books and show. IDK if the narrator issue will ruin it.
I'm not a reader, so I doubt I'd be able to get through the actual books.
Capella
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
I honestly don't know who he is but this is some of the reviews.
that's just a few of many with the same observation. But its the only real recording, so i guess that's what I'm getting
Last edited by a moderator:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think they will play a pivotal role in how Dany gets to this point and it will be much more fulfilling than the show. I also expect Jon and Bran will be significant in the battle against the Others, and that we will have much more there as well. I cannot wait to read the books -- more so now than ever really.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I was thinking about doing the same soon. I was waiting for the series to end so my old ### wasn't blurring the lines between the books and show as much.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
For all the reading y’all talk about you kinda miss the mark sometimes http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
jplvr
Footballguy
I didn't watch the video, but supposedly the guy who played Barristan Selmy made this claim recently, and it blew up on Monday.
jplvr
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I read the first three then listened to 4 and 5. I thought they were okay. The material itself was kind of a let letdown a after the first three. Also, I was caught up on the books/audio before I watched a single episode on HBO. so I had nothing to compare it to.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
That's about what I was thinking. Like jplvr said, I would for sure do one if there was a release date for book 6, but unless it's a couple years away, I wouldn't be through the re-read anyway. So maybe just do a re-read and hold out mild hope for another book. If not, so be it - I obviously enjoyed the hell out of the books so there's worse things I could be doing with my time.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
After thinking about it, this is where I am. It's not like I am disappointed that characters ended up where they did on the show (Dany turning bad, Jaime dying with Cersei, etc..) , it's that I felt they didn't get there very organically or true to their characters as presented on the show. I trust that if GRRM ever got around to the other books, he would correct that problem. Plus there are enough differences in the show vs. books that it would still be interesting to read and there will be fresh stuff.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
The first 3 audiobooks are great - aside from the butchering of some of the names. Books 4 and 5 aren't nearly as good. Originally, book 4 was read by someone else (somone Lee IIRC) because Dotrice had a conflict. It wasn't until much later that Dotrice recorded book 4 and not that long after book 5. The gaps were so big between the 3rd - 4th readings that Dotrice (who was like 1000 years old by this point) didn't voice the characters the same and his acting had taken a hit.E Street Brat said:
Fiddles
Footballguy
4 and 5 aren't up to the first 3 regardless of reading or listening.. dorne and little griff oof
Moe.
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
Moe.
Footballguy
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
If I had to bet, I would say no. I suspect that the conflict between Dany and Young Griff would be over Dorne/South as we don't know how they will respond to Quentyn's death. My guess would be that since Quentyn + Dany didn't work (and Dany might be blamed by Dorne for the roasting of their prince's heir) that Doran will try a Griff + Arienne match. Griff will say he has the better claim (true if he is Rhaegar's son - but I am pretty sure he is the mummer's dragon) over Daenerys and the two will fight each other *before* taking King's Landing.
Also, Cersei falling to Griff is kind of weird with the whole beautiful queen/valonqar thing going on. A younger, more beautiful queen is supposed to cast Cersei down and a valonqar to possibly kill her. I don't see how that happens if Griff takes KL.
Edit: I also think this is where we see some of Dany's madness start creeping in. I wouldn't say she has done anything truly mad (aside from walking into a ####### fire believing that her eggs will hatch) yet but with one fake Targ gone I suspect she is even more pissed when another "fake" Targ (Jon) is revealed.
Last edited by a moderator:
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Jon still dead in the books, right?
I think we’re going to see a third volume from Harper Lee before we get Winds of a Winter.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think they meet, but that a lot of the "plot" of the show will be thrown away, with the "real" Aegon playing very much into Dany's turn. I feel like Jon's true name will not be Aegon in the books . . . .
jplvr
Footballguy
I’m pretty ADD when I start a book. Finished all 5 in a little over a month the first time through. I’m sure I could get it done in a few months without getting too obsessive.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
JFC.
I think I gotten slower at reading in my old age + the decrease in time due to the kids. I am usually lucky if I get in 30 pages at night before falling asleep. We are talking 5000 or so pages? That will take me awhile. I think I am going to start tonight.
Maybe we need ASOIAF thread just for people doing a re-read.
Same. But I started reading them during winter break my first year of law school. I think I literally read 8-12 hours a day for like a month straight. Now, with kids, it'd probably take 6-12 months to get through them all.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
As soon as my Deadwood rewatch is done I might start the reread.JFC.
I think I gotten slower at reading in my old age + the decrease in time due to the kids. I am usually lucky if I get in 30 pages at night before falling asleep. We are talking 5000 or so pages? That will take me awhile. I think I am going to start tonight.
Maybe we need ASOIAF thread just for people doing a re-read.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Yeah, kid + a dog that literally gets upset and starts barking, howling, whining, and trying to climb in my lap as soon as he realizes I am reading a book prevents binge reading. I have to go hide somewhere in the basement if I want to get any serious reading done. That said, a reread would be fun. I am curious as to what decisions I would consider "mad" for a 15-20 year old girl now that we know the end game is that she is going mad. Off the top of my head, walking into the burning pyre is the only thing I would consider crazy.FBG26 said:
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Fire it up. Call it "dip####s unite." I'll be with you shortly.KarmaPolice said:JFC.
I think I gotten slower at reading in my old age + the decrease in time due to the kids. I am usually lucky if I get in 30 pages at night before falling asleep. We are talking 5000 or so pages? That will take me awhile. I think I am going to start tonight.
Maybe we need ASOIAF thread just for people doing a re-read.
facook
Footballguy
I don't think I'll ever re-read until there's at least a 6th book written by GRRM that is published. And then I'd just do 1,2,3,5 and then 6. No point in rereading 4.
But I'm in the camp that there will never be a 6th from GRRM. And if there ever is from anyone it will follow the show's outline and not the original.
But I'm in the camp that there will never be a 6th from GRRM. And if there ever is from anyone it will follow the show's outline and not the original.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Started my re-read today. Should I really start another thread? 
I am sure I will have thoughts/questions along the way. It's been since a little after DwD what I read them, and I've only read Dance once and it's really blurry since I read it too fast just to see what happened. Like I said to shuke - a lot stuff is blurry with the story especially where it deviates from the show since the show is what has been my contact with the material since that time.
I have also not read the Dunk and Egg book (have it at home), the Targ book, or the History of Westeros book.
I am sure I will have thoughts/questions along the way. It's been since a little after DwD what I read them, and I've only read Dance once and it's really blurry since I read it too fast just to see what happened. Like I said to shuke - a lot stuff is blurry with the story especially where it deviates from the show since the show is what has been my contact with the material since that time.
I have also not read the Dunk and Egg book (have it at home), the Targ book, or the History of Westeros book.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Wow. I don't think I can devote the time needed for a read, but I would love to hear about others.Started my re-read today. Should I really start another thread?
I am sure I will have thoughts/questions along the way. It's been since a little after DwD what I read them, and I've only read Dance once and it's really blurry since I read it too fast just to see what happened. Like I said to shuke - a lot stuff is blurry with the story especially where it deviates from the show since the show is what has been my contact with the material since that time.
I have also not read the Dunk and Egg book (have it at home), the Targ book, or the History of Westeros book.
I have forgotten so much.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Read dunk and egg first. Then let’s try a real reread thread together?Started my re-read today. Should I really start another thread?
I am sure I will have thoughts/questions along the way. It's been since a little after DwD what I read them, and I've only read Dance once and it's really blurry since I read it too fast just to see what happened. Like I said to shuke - a lot stuff is blurry with the story especially where it deviates from the show since the show is what has been my contact with the material since that time.
I have also not read the Dunk and Egg book (have it at home), the Targ book, or the History of Westeros book.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
From what I read in other spheres of the internet, it would seem like a majority of viewers will be doing exactly that -- hate-watching the last episode. At the end of the day you are right - it has been phenomenal TV and the root cause of why these last two seasons (and esp. S8) have been met with such passion. But both sides have valid points - because it's such a great show, people do have the right to be disappointed in the much different trajectory in quality this show has taken, while still needing to be appreciative of how fantastic this series has been overall.
Love this theory, and ties up some of the plotlines (Sansa keeping the North free with Gendry's grant, resolving Jon/Dany's relationship and allowing Jon to join Ghost north of the Wall afterwards, leaving the throne in the hands of a legitimate claimant that can reunite the realm, etc.).Saw an interesting theory that makes good sense, on how GoT history could repeat itself and come full circle:
A “mad” Targaryen was in charge: Aerys → Daenerys
A Stark is taken prisoner: Lyanna Stark is “stolen” → Dany accuses Sansa of treason (or Jon, even)
The Starks and Baratheons team up to rebel: Ned + Robert → Jon/Sansa/Arya + Gendry
A Lannister will betray the ruler to deal the finishing blow: Jaime → Tyrion
A Baratheon ends up on the Iron Throne: Robert → Gendry
That would leave only the Azor Ahai plot and Arya's Faceless studies and Bran left out in terms of major hanging chads. All may be moot anyway at this point with the NK dead, though I suppose they can resolve them all by having Jaime ending up secretly having left Widow's Wail with Brienne in Winterfell instead of taking it South to KL -- as a tribute to her knighthood and as a make-up gesture for the ####ty way he left. Brienne gives it, along with Oathkeeper, to Jon to forge Lightbringer (with Gendry's help of course), which he uses to kill Dany (with Arya stealing Tyrion's face to help betray Dani and get Jon close to her to deliver the blow).
Jon then leaves for the North, eschewing the throne, with a cliffhanger end of seeing Bran's eyes turn icy blue like the NK, implying a final unseen showdown in the future to end the Long Night for good.
Long stretches, I know.
As to the full circle outlined above, we'll see if Dany breaks this particular wheel or not tonight.
I wouldn't say that I'm hate watching, but the last two seasons have been so uneven and rushed that I am just waiting for it to be over/concluded. Looking forward to Barry though.
Last edited by a moderator:
There’s certainly a significant online population that is doing just that, but I suspect that they constitute a relatively small minority of overall viewers.
