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The more I see of it, the more I like it. One of the big problems with fantasy films/shows is that art direction and costuming can absolutely decimate a good story. So far, everything looks great, even down to the crown symbol on Jamie's breastplate. Kind of hoping Cersei would've been hotter, but at least we know she can play a tough woman well. Also, if this series goes for any length of time it could make Peter Dinklage a near household name. He's very talented and there are very, very few prime time opportunities for dwarf characters to shine.Crossing fingers for new book soon. Nearing the end of WoT has got me hungry for more fantasy series closures.

I always imagined Heidi Klum as Cersei. She's supposed to be stunningly beautiful. I think they missed the mark a bit but it is all subjective I guess.
IIRC, most of the references to Cersei's stunning beauty come from her own POV. I don't remember anyone else remarking on her being otherwordly beautiful, but maybe I'm forgetting. I pictured her as more generically pretty, not stunning like Dany.Anyway, that's neither here nor there for me - Headley's pretty enough; I just hope she has the acting chops to pull off the character (from all accounts, she does). I'm not familiar with the actors - except for Bean (who's perfectly cast) - but the fan boards seem to think most are good choices.

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The more I see of it, the more I like it. One of the big problems with fantasy films/shows is that art direction and costuming can absolutely decimate a good story. So far, everything looks great, even down to the crown symbol on Jamie's breastplate. Kind of hoping Cersei would've been hotter, but at least we know she can play a tough woman well. Also, if this series goes for any length of time it could make Peter Dinklage a near household name. He's very talented and there are very, very few prime time opportunities for dwarf characters to shine.Crossing fingers for new book soon. Nearing the end of WoT has got me hungry for more fantasy series closures.

I always imagined Heidi Klum as Cersei. She's supposed to be stunningly beautiful. I think they missed the mark a bit but it is all subjective I guess.
Headey would not have been my choice but I am ok with it. My major problem so far is eye color, hair color and facial scarring of characters. Without going into spoilers, I am just not happy with what I can make out from stills and trailers. Other than that :nerd: nerdgasam :nerd: Edited by TeamDingo

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The more I see of it, the more I like it. One of the big problems with fantasy films/shows is that art direction and costuming can absolutely decimate a good story. So far, everything looks great, even down to the crown symbol on Jamie's breastplate. Kind of hoping Cersei would've been hotter, but at least we know she can play a tough woman well. Also, if this series goes for any length of time it could make Peter Dinklage a near household name. He's very talented and there are very, very few prime time opportunities for dwarf characters to shine.Crossing fingers for new book soon. Nearing the end of WoT has got me hungry for more fantasy series closures.

I always imagined Heidi Klum as Cersei. She's supposed to be stunningly beautiful. I think they missed the mark a bit but it is all subjective I guess.
Headey would not have been my choice but I am ok with it. My major problem so far is eye color, hair color and facial scarring of characters. Without going into spoilers, I am just not happy with what I can make out from stills and trailers. Other than that :shrug: nerdgasam :nerd:
Same here. I think she will do great acting wise, but her hair color from what I have seen is not even close to what is described in the books. Which, normally should not be a huge deal, but that's one of their trade marks.

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Extended Inside trailer is quite meaty. First looks at allot of cool stuff. Needle!

The Hound's scars look better here than I first thought they did in the previous trailer and his helm is BA.

I still do not understand why Bran's hair is not auburn. (Sansa's is and it looks like Robb's is also) Do not get why Targaryens do not have violet eyes? They have platinum hair seems easy to give them subtly purple eyes. Do not get why Lannister's are less blonde than they should be either.

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Extended Inside trailer is quite meaty. First looks at allot of cool stuff. Needle!

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The Hound's scars look better here than I first thought they did in the previous trailer and his helm is BA.

I still do not understand why Bran's hair is not auburn. (Sansa's is and it looks like Robb's is also) Do not get why Targaryens do not have violet eyes? They have platinum hair seems easy to give them subtly purple eyes. Do not get why Lannister's are less blonde than they should be either.

This is an early trailer. It may be done properly in the series... At least I hope so...

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HBO is running a little 10 minute "Inside the making of" special in between movies as a filler. Longest and best look so far at the upcoming series which will apparently start in April. Visually it still looks like it will be one of the best looking fantasy shows ever. Set your DVRs if you want to watch it.

I think they go a whole 2 minutes before an actor starts talking about how THIS show is different and more <insert glorious adjective> than anything ever done before. Actor cliches are just as predictable as athlete cliches and once the floodgates are open by the actor playing Jon Snow, there's plenty of fluffing going on after.

However, the main thrust here: I still havent seen anything to make me believe this is going to be anything less than great.

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I was watching some of the cast interviews here.

You have to love when they say this is beyond rated-R. As it should be considering the source material. Can't wait.

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Nice. I remain seriously impressed with the presentation of this series so far. I'm not a huge fan of the books, but they are compelling reading. I'm not sure at all that I like the splitting into two books that he's done with the latest book and the supposedly forthcoming book. Have to wait until it comes out to really judge the choice. However, as a fantasy geek, the idea of having a well done fantasy geared for adults (without campyness or ridiculous comic relief) and for the length of more than just a movie is really almost spellbinding for me. I'll be seriously disappointed if all the trailers turn out to be the best part of the series.

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looks like he finally set a good date for the new book

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html

DRAGON TIME

No. Sorry. Not done yet.

I'm close, though. Watch this space. When the book is done, you will read it here.

Meanwhile... there is news. Big news. The end is in sight, at long long last, and we're close enough so that my editors and publishers at Bantam Spectra have set an actual publication date.

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS will be in your favorite bookstore on

TUESDAY, JULY 12, 2011

Yes, I know. You've all seen publication dates before: dates in 2007, 2008, 2009. None of those were ever hard dates, however. Most of them... well, call it wishful thinking, boundless optimism, cockeyed dreams, honest mistakes, whatever you like.

This date is different. This date is real.

Barring tsunamis, general strikes, world wars, or asteroid strikes, you will have the novel in your hands on July 12. I hope you like it.

(For what it's worth, the book's a monster. Think A STORM OF SWORDS.)

The dragons are coming. Prepare to dance.

And hey... thanks for waiting.

―George R.R. Martin, March 3, 2011

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...

Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

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Just started listening to GOT in my car to and from work. Will listen to all of them before July so I'm caught up and my memory is refreshed

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Been a while, but I thought Jon originally went to the Wall with Benjen & Tyrion.

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Why is this not a plausible scene? Benjen and Jon arrive at the wall together. This isn't a Coen brother "literal to the word" type of thing.

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I wonder how they are going to handle Dany having tons of sex when the character is only 13 years old. I'm not even sure how Martin got away with that? Isn't that kiddie porn?

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...

Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Why is this not a plausible scene? Benjen and Jon arrive at the wall together. This isn't a Coen brother "literal to the word" type of thing.
Benjen's missing out on a ranging the entire book, iirc. And I realize there will be changes, as I noted above, but having an entire character who never appears be a part of the storyline means that even more that is in the book has to be cut out or changed. What I was looking for more was someone else's eyes confirming what I thought I saw. Edited by mad sweeney

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I wonder how they are going to handle Dany having tons of sex when the character is only 13 years old. I'm not even sure how Martin got away with that? Isn't that kiddie porn?

She's made to be something older, like 16 in the series. Yes, that bit was quite shocking in the book. (Though I thought she was 14 in the book, not that it's much better.)

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...

Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Why is this not a plausible scene? Benjen and Jon arrive at the wall together. This isn't a Coen brother "literal to the word" type of thing.
Benjen's missing out on a ranging the entire book, iirc. And I realize there will be changes, as I noted above, but having an entire character who never appears be a part of the storyline means that even more that is in the book has to be cut out or changed. What I was looking for more was someone else's eyes confirming what I thought I saw.
Re: Bolded, not quite.

1. AGOT 6: Jon I - He attends a welcome feast in King Robert's honor. While their, Jon asks him to join the Night's Watch, but Ben rebuffs him.

2. AGOT 14: Tyrion II - Ben sets out for the Wall with Jon and Tyrion.

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...

Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Why is this not a plausible scene? Benjen and Jon arrive at the wall together. This isn't a Coen brother "literal to the word" type of thing.
Benjen's missing out on a ranging the entire book, iirc. And I realize there will be changes, as I noted above, but having an entire character who never appears be a part of the storyline means that even more that is in the book has to be cut out or changed. What I was looking for more was someone else's eyes confirming what I thought I saw.
No. Benjen leaves for his ranging after bringing Ben to the wall. Benjen brings Jon to the wall and leaves in the following weeks.

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I wonder how they are going to handle Dany having tons of sex when the character is only 13 years old. I'm not even sure how Martin got away with that? Isn't that kiddie porn?

She's made to be something older, like 16 in the series. Yes, that bit was quite shocking in the book. (Though I thought she was 14 in the book, not that it's much better.)
She turns 14 after her wedding. The book says she gets pregnant from Drogo on her fourteenth nameday (I'm rereading the book and just read this chapter a couple days ago.)

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Been a while, but I thought Jon originally went to the Wall with Benjen & Tyrion.
I thought it was Yoren and BJ was missing the whole time, but my re-read of the book (which I just finished) was often at night while falling asleep and after morning workouts during my couch nap time so small details may have been lost with heavy lidded reading.

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I wonder how they are going to handle Dany having tons of sex when the character is only 13 years old. I'm not even sure how Martin got away with that? Isn't that kiddie porn?

She's made to be something older, like 16 in the series. Yes, that bit was quite shocking in the book. (Though I thought she was 14 in the book, not that it's much better.)
She turns 14 after her wedding. The book says she gets pregnant from Drogo on her fourteenth nameday (I'm rereading the book and just read this chapter a couple days ago.)
Right, I probably aged her early so as to not feel like a creeper.

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Just finished re-reading book 1. Thought it was much better the second time around, though mediocre recent books and expectations of the series might be enhancing it a bit. So I went to HBO.com to see what extras they have there. In the "House Stark" featurette I swear they have a shot of Jon walking The Wall with Benjen Stark. At least that's what it seems after they showed a guy while talking about Ned's brother Benjen and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy in the clip at the end. Kind of hard to tell since they're all long haired and in armor but if anyone else wants to chime in...

Obviously there will be differences between the book and the series but that seems like a big one. I can't remember Benjen's status in the later books, but it's kind of discouraging for something so big to be changed. Of course, it all depends on the context so it may not be bad but it has my wheels turning in hoping they don't screw with too many things.

Why is this not a plausible scene? Benjen and Jon arrive at the wall together. This isn't a Coen brother "literal to the word" type of thing.
Benjen's missing out on a ranging the entire book, iirc. And I realize there will be changes, as I noted above, but having an entire character who never appears be a part of the storyline means that even more that is in the book has to be cut out or changed. What I was looking for more was someone else's eyes confirming what I thought I saw.
No. Benjen leaves for his ranging after bringing Ben to the wall. Benjen brings Jon to the wall and leaves in the following weeks.
Thx, see above. I could've sworn he was missing the whole time and part of Jon's reasoning was to go find him. Sucks that I just finished it and missed out on some details like this.

As for Dany, I'm interested in how they treat her as well as hoping she is a good actress because she goes through some serious #### without a good character as a foil, meaning she'll have to carry a lot of pivotal scenes largely by herself. Aside from Tyrion, she's the character I'm most interested in how well her acting carries over.

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I'm wondering if Dinklage can pull Tyrion off as well. He's too pretty for Tyrion. Plus he seems pretty coked up in some of the interviews.

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I'm wondering if Dinklage can pull Tyrion off as well. He's too pretty for Tyrion. Plus he seems pretty coked up in some of the interviews.

Well, casting choices are thin for that spot! I think he can, he's an above average actor at any height. With the material Tyrion has and Dinklage's skill, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pull in an Emmy/GG nom since HBO dominates them anyways.

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Reading through this book in anticipation of the series has been a joy. Tyrion is just an awesome character. Just read the "Chasing cats" POV from Arya.

It never occurred to me on my first read that this was the first time Arya became "faceless." Nice foreshadowing there. Also just remembered why I hated Jaime Lannister...he just murders Jory Cassell and Ned's men for no reason at all. His redemption is probably the most compelling plotline in the series.

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I'm putting down the series after starting Book II. Figure I'll wait a few months to re-read the rest so it's all fresh when Dance comes out. Going to give Malazan a try instead and plod through all of book I with the forewarning that it gets better. Thanks for the recommendations, regardless of whether I like it.

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Reading through this book in anticipation of the series has been a joy. Tyrion is just an awesome character. Just read the "Chasing cats" POV from Arya.

It never occurred to me on my first read that this was the first time Arya became "faceless." Nice foreshadowing there. Also just remembered why I hated Jaime Lannister...he just murders Jory Cassell and Ned's men for no reason at all. His redemption is probably the most compelling plotline in the series.

Throwing Bran off the tower wasn't reason enough to hate Jaime?

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Just signed up for HBO in anticipation of the series.

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Reading through this book in anticipation of the series has been a joy. Tyrion is just an awesome character. Just read the "Chasing cats" POV from Arya.

It never occurred to me on my first read that this was the first time Arya became "faceless." Nice foreshadowing there. Also just remembered why I hated Jaime Lannister...he just murders Jory Cassell and Ned's men for no reason at all. His redemption is probably the most compelling plotline in the series.

Throwing Bran off the tower wasn't reason enough to hate Jaime?

Lol...well even Ned comtemplates that when he confront Cersei.

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Started the 2nd book last night. Just amazing and gripping stuff from the getgo. Couldn't put it down until about 1:30am when I started to fall asleep. Just one more chapter(POV)... just one more chapter(POV)....

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