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More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
I do not think any of this is spoiler.This was the Battle of Oxcross from the books. The defeated Lannisters retreat to Casterly Rock/Lannisport, the seat of House Lannister. Tywin is currently with his army at Harrenhal. In the book the remnants of Jaime's army are at Golden Tooth.
It is much worse than the books actually. I don't recall a single brothel sex scene until perhaps the 5th book (and I would have to double check to make sure it just wasn't a scene in a brothel).More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
I wouldn't call it worse. GRRM describes Dany's sex scenes w/ Drogo in pretty racy detail. A few of those scenes never made it on the show, specifically Dany pulling everything out of her little bag of sex tricks in an attempt to revive him. There is a lot of T&A in the show, but I think it's warranted based on Martin's material.It is much worse than the books actually. I don't recall a single brothel sex scene until perhaps the 5th book (and I would have to double check to make sure it just wasn't a scene in a brothel).More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
good post.Theon showing the wannabe salt wife how to swallow was pretty graphic too.The phrase "spent his seed" is used about 10,000 times.I wouldn't call it worse. GRRM describes Dany's sex scenes w/ Drogo in pretty racy detail. A few of those scenes never made it on the show, specifically Dany pulling everything out of her little bag of sex tricks in an attempt to revive him. There is a lot of T&A in the show, but I think it's warranted based on Martin's material.It is much worse than the books actually. I don't recall a single brothel sex scene until perhaps the 5th book (and I would have to double check to make sure it just wasn't a scene in a brothel).More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
I wouldn't call it worse. GRRM describes Dany's sex scenes w/ Drogo in pretty racy detail. A few of those scenes never made it on the show, specifically Dany pulling everything out of her little bag of sex tricks in an attempt to revive him. There is a lot of T&A in the show, but I think it's warranted based on Martin's material.It is much worse than the books actually. I don't recall a single brothel sex scene until perhaps the 5th book (and I would have to double check to make sure it just wasn't a scene in a brothel).More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
There are far more scenes added than removed. Every Roz scene, every brothel scene, Stannis, Renly, Theon + Asha, and I can name several more. I am not saying the books aren't graphic - but much of the T&A in the show isn't in the books. I do find it strange that they have removed most of the Shae scenes.I was more referring to the depravity comment though.
Yeah, they said something similar on the Cast of Kings podcast. Makes sense, as HBO likes to push the envelope.It is much worse than the books actually. I don't recall a single brothel sex scene until perhaps the 5th book (and I would have to double check to make sure it just wasn't a scene in a brothel).More accurately, the show is sexually depraved and it's what we've come to expect.Same here. We are degenerates.'TLEF316 said:Am I the only sick ******* who thought that Roz was going to be forced to do something else to the other girl with that staff?
The producers have clearly used most of the sex scenes to explain detailed parts of the story that might seem dull or out of place in just a casual conversation between characters. I don't think the producers wanted John from Cinci style monologues and there just wasn't the time or budget for so many flashbacks. With whom else would these characters speak to that wouldn't already know 90% of the info given? I think the idea is did they keep the sex within in the spirit of the book?
My short answer would be "no". I don't have the inclination to document the pointlessness or effectiveness of each scene in both the books and the show but I think many of the scenes are extraneous or miss the mark.
Which is why that SNL skit is so hilarious.
This thread is above all thatI'm sure this will not cause any arguments.
I'm sure we can all agree on the last one though.This thread is above all that
Hodor'Clifford said:
I spittaked.Hodor'Clifford said:
i lollol'd and I am politics-dumb'Marvin said:I'm sure we can all agree on the last one though.'Kraft... said:This thread is above all that'jdoggydogg said:'Marvin said:
"pre-dawn hour"
I don't like the Daenerys/Palin comparison, but the rest of it is gold.i lollol'd and I am politics-dumb'Marvin said:I'm sure we can all agree on the last one though.'Kraft... said:This thread is above all that'jdoggydogg said:'Marvin said:
they aren't going to lose the broader HBO audience. sex and violence are HBO's bread and butter.'Matthias said:
That doesn't make much sense.
that was what I figured. Easier to deal with.
Hodor'Clifford said:
best episode of the season IMO.Sawed off foot,Rat torture,Head on a spike,S&MBaby shadow spawnawesome'Matthias said:
The sound the head made being placed on the spike was fantastic as well.
As someone with a rodent phobia, that rat torture almost killed me. :X
In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
not to mention, araya and the list. Dany makes it to QarthNed in the box the warg power of Robb displayed ( I think thats what that was)The imp smacking down Lancel and JofferyAs someone with a rodent phobia, that rat torture almost killed me. :X
I can't argue with any of that. But I sure love to hate that guy. Apparently, George RR Martin told that actor, "Congratulations, people hate you now." Proves he's nailed the character.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
I totally disagree.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
"Hate" might not be strong enough a wordI can't argue with any of that. But I sure love to hate that guy. Apparently, George RR Martin told that actor, "Congratulations, people hate you now." Proves he's nailed the character.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
I don't think the scene was needed (only because we know Joffrey's character already) but I don't think it made the show hard to watch. The only thing that I thought might be hard to watch was the torture. However, the events at Harrenhal are critical in the development of Arya's character.'Matthias said:
actually, I think it did have a purpose. it showed that not only is he mean and cruel, as some people are, but that he really is a sociopath. he had 2 hookers in his room ready to do whatever he wanted. even the most mean and cruel teenage boys would have been knee-deep in ***** for hours, but he didn't even show one inkling of being interested in that. only in what kind of pain and humiliation he could inflict. at least that's how I took it.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
Thinking a bit on it, I'm not so sure it's superfluous. We knew up to that scene that Joffrey was a cruel, sadistic ******* 'in the public eye', but it could have been partially explained by a boy of low self-esteem who feels threatened by what people thought of him (illegitimate child of incest, not worthy of the throne, weak) so he lashes out in a violent way to make people think he's really a badass. This scene, however, drove home the point that he isn't acting that way because of low self-esteem, but because he really likes it. I really thought he was going to get turned on by the spanking and then start banging away, indicative of having somewhat normal male urges. Instead we saw that he is truly a psychopath who gets off on making others suffer. From here on out I would agree that additional scenes of this nature would be superfluous, but I'm not thinking the one with the whores was anymore. It drove home what he really is.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
Well said. We've always known that Geoffrey was a spoiled jerk. But that was a level of depraved sociopathy we hadn't seen before.Thinking a bit on it, I'm not so sure it's superfluous. We knew up to that scene that Joffrey was a cruel, sadistic ******* 'in the public eye', but it could have been partially explained by a boy of low self-esteem who feels threatened by what people thought of him (illegitimate child of incest, not worthy of the throne, weak) so he lashes out in a violent way to make people think he's really a badass. This scene, however, drove home the point that he isn't acting that way because of low self-esteem, but because he really likes it. I really thought he was going to get turned on by the spanking and then start banging away, indicative of having somewhat normal male urges. Instead we saw that he is truly a psychopath who gets off on making others suffer. From here on out I would agree that additional scenes of this nature would be superfluous, but I'm not thinking the one with the whores was anymore. It drove home what he really is.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
Plus he didn't get rid of any of the poisonThinking a bit on it, I'm not so sure it's superfluous. We knew up to that scene that Joffrey was a cruel, sadistic ******* 'in the public eye', but it could have been partially explained by a boy of low self-esteem who feels threatened by what people thought of him (illegitimate child of incest, not worthy of the throne, weak) so he lashes out in a violent way to make people think he's really a badass. This scene, however, drove home the point that he isn't acting that way because of low self-esteem, but because he really likes it. I really thought he was going to get turned on by the spanking and then start banging away, indicative of having somewhat normal male urges. Instead we saw that he is truly a psychopath who gets off on making others suffer. From here on out I would agree that additional scenes of this nature would be superfluous, but I'm not thinking the one with the whores was anymore. It drove home what he really is.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
Yeah, good point...that makes sense.Thinking a bit on it, I'm not so sure it's superfluous. We knew up to that scene that Joffrey was a cruel, sadistic ******* 'in the public eye', but it could have been partially explained by a boy of low self-esteem who feels threatened by what people thought of him (illegitimate child of incest, not worthy of the throne, weak) so he lashes out in a violent way to make people think he's really a badass. This scene, however, drove home the point that he isn't acting that way because of low self-esteem, but because he really likes it. I really thought he was going to get turned on by the spanking and then start banging away, indicative of having somewhat normal male urges. Instead we saw that he is truly a psychopath who gets off on making others suffer. From here on out I would agree that additional scenes of this nature would be superfluous, but I'm not thinking the one with the whores was anymore. It drove home what he really is.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
That scene was extra for HBO, but it falls in line with him mistrusting Tyrion. He takes any advice or gift from his uncle as an insult.Well said. We've always known that Geoffrey was a spoiled jerk. But that was a level of depraved sociopathy we hadn't seen before.Thinking a bit on it, I'm not so sure it's superfluous. We knew up to that scene that Joffrey was a cruel, sadistic ******* 'in the public eye', but it could have been partially explained by a boy of low self-esteem who feels threatened by what people thought of him (illegitimate child of incest, not worthy of the throne, weak) so he lashes out in a violent way to make people think he's really a badass. This scene, however, drove home the point that he isn't acting that way because of low self-esteem, but because he really likes it. I really thought he was going to get turned on by the spanking and then start banging away, indicative of having somewhat normal male urges. Instead we saw that he is truly a psychopath who gets off on making others suffer. From here on out I would agree that additional scenes of this nature would be superfluous, but I'm not thinking the one with the whores was anymore. It drove home what he really is.'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
'Matthias said:Yah, but at this point Joffrey committing Random Acts of Cruelty is just superfluous at this point. So far in the show he has: challenged a butcher boy to a swordfight when the bb didn't have a real sword; beheaded his fiancee's father in front of her; ordered the killing of all of his half-siblings down to the infants; ordered a man to die by drinking himself to death; ordered his fiancee beaten and stripped in public; talked about how great it would be once he puts her brother's head on a spike; and had one prostitute torture another. I get it. He's an #######. That scene didn't seem to serve any bigger purpose. And with all the other gruesomeness in the episode, it made the show painful to watch.In fairness, Geoffrey got like five minutes on-screen. And Tyrian's verbal smackdown of Geoffrey in the palace was the best scene in the show
Hodor
