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When I read that you are a 'Vegan" (That word cracks me up for some reason) I stereotype you into a Liberal/Athiest box. Sometimes stereotypes are right on the money eh?What exactly does this "explain" about me? It's funny to presume that you know anything about me based on what I choose to eat. GB you closed minded, judgemental Christians.This explains alot about you. A vegan, I should've guessed
When I read that you are a 'Vegan" (That word cracks me up for some reason) I stereotype you into a Liberal/Athiest box. Sometimes stereotypes are right on the money eh?What exactly does this "explain" about me? It's funny to presume that you know anything about me based on what I choose to eat. GB you closed minded, judgemental Christians.This explains alot about you. A vegan, I should've guessed
Also work on the reading. I am not a vegan, I was just asking for some info from people that are vegans.
I don't think tag is very bright.When I read that you are a 'Vegan" (That word cracks me up for some reason) I stereotype you into a Liberal/Athiest box. Sometimes stereotypes are right on the money eh?What exactly does this "explain" about me? It's funny to presume that you know anything about me based on what I choose to eat. GB you closed minded, judgemental Christians.This explains alot about you. A vegan, I should've guessed
If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?
It means meat = dead flesh = deadVegetables (raw) are still living organisms that contain enzymes and are still "alive" to a certtain degree.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?
So vegans don't cook their food?It means meat = dead flesh = deadVegetables (raw) are still living organisms that contain enzymes and are still "alive" to a certtain degree.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?
It depends. There are vegans and then there are raw vegans.There is a school of thought that no food should be cooked. I've actually eaten a fair amout of "raw vegan" food and it is quite good.So vegans don't cook their food?It means meat = dead flesh = deadVegetables (raw) are still living organisms that contain enzymes and are still "alive" to a certtain degree.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?I have dabbled in it for about 3 years, but have not made the full time switch. It is hard.I'm doing purely for health reasons and nothing else.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive.If you eat things that are dead, you feel dead.
It means that it's a snappy catchphrase that falls apart if you think about it for a millisecond.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?
interesting.. I did not know this. But to be honest, I'm not really sure what the differences between a Vegan and a Vegetarian are. I'm sure I could look it up, but I'm just too damn lazy.It depends. There are vegans and then there are raw vegans.There is a school of thought that no food should be cooked. I've actually eaten a fair amout of "raw vegan" food and it is quite good.So vegans don't cook their food?It means meat = dead flesh = deadVegetables (raw) are still living organisms that contain enzymes and are still "alive" to a certtain degree.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?
Vegetarian = won't eat meat- steaks, burgers, chicken, etc...Vegan = vegetarian that also won't eat anything that is an animal product - cheese, milk, eggs, etc...interesting.. I did not know this. But to be honest, I'm not really sure what the differences between a Vegan and a Vegetarian are. I'm sure I could look it up, but I'm just too damn lazy.It depends. There are vegans and then there are raw vegans.There is a school of thought that no food should be cooked. I've actually eaten a fair amout of "raw vegan" food and it is quite good.So vegans don't cook their food?It means meat = dead flesh = deadVegetables (raw) are still living organisms that contain enzymes and are still "alive" to a certtain degree.If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive? What means this?Sorry if I am thick-headed or something, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can you explain how you eat things that are alive? Outside of a beetle or something like that? Does this mean you have to eat plants that have not been cut down? Like grazing or something?I have dabbled in it for about 3 years, but have not made the full time switch. It is hard.
I'm doing purely for health reasons and nothing else.
If you eat things that are alive, you feel alive.
If you eat things that are dead, you feel dead.
While it's obviously an overgeneralization, I have to admit, I'd guess that a strong majority of vegans are liberals. It's the whole education thing that leads to both.This is pretty confusing to me. Can you explain how vegan=liberal=atheist?When I read that you are a 'Vegan" (That word cracks me up for some reason) I stereotype you into a Liberal/Athiest box. Sometimes stereotypes are right on the money eh?
Was that supposd to be some sort of rebuttal that means something to the average person?I know we all tend to exagerate, but most of us here barely qualify as athletes, nevermind body builders. Different lifestyles require more nutrients than others. That is no shocker. The average person eats more protein than is needed. Hence, the average vegetrian/vegan really doesn't need to worry about getting enough protein in his/her diet. B-12 on the other hand can be a challenge.
Was wondering the same thing. The protein intake for an athlete/body builder >>>> intake needed for average joe. However, that is the big thing that people ask even with the vegetarian diet - "how can you get enough protein??"
The thing people think about is...well, if you take meat/dairy out of your diet, there goes your protein....however, they fail to think that vegans/vegetarians replace the meat with foods that have as much, if not more protein than the meat.I understand the concern. Those folks just need to be educated on the various other sources of nutrients.Was wondering the same thing. The protein intake for an athlete/body builder >>>> intake needed for average joe. However, that is the big thing that people ask even with the vegetarian diet - "how can you get enough protein??"
FBG >>>> average person. Looking at your member number I understand why you missed the reference.
you know... there is a little bit more to being a vegan than just one's diet.p and s.. get a job hippies!
If by "animal" you mean yeast, then this is definitely true. But most people would classify yeast as a fungus.Beer is water, starch (barley, corn, wheat, rice, etc), hops, and yeast. That's about it. It's pretty damn natural is you ask me.
some (not most) use animal derived products during filtration.ETA: or as a fining agent...
I didn't know that. I guess I've been thinking too much about homebrew and not mass produced beers. BTW, has anyone gone to the UK to drink "real ale"?What sort of animal product derived systems are used in filtration?
Isinglass is something you may have come across as a home brewer, although it is more likely that you'd use irish moss so serve that purpose.No need to go to the UK; plenty of great cask ale in the US! real ale directory by state
Many beers used to use isinglass to clear up their beer. 99% of them no longer use it. It is too cost prohibitive.
I'd believe that most of that stuff has to be used on a macro scale, but likely on such a small amount it's just fearmongering. If craft brewers use any of that stuff I'd be shocked. Now lactobacillus is used for some styles, but sheesh. Whereever that came from 100 years ago would have been long since dead. The whole "bone charcoal" thing is also lol funny.
For most of the vegans I know, that's not the point. Mostly its about what the animals have to go through get all the meat and products from them, not about the amounts that's in the food.I'd believe that most of that stuff has to be used on a macro scale, but likely on such a small amount it's just fearmongering. If craft brewers use any of that stuff I'd be shocked. Now lactobacillus is used for some styles, but sheesh. Whereever that came from 100 years ago would have been long since dead. The whole "bone charcoal" thing is also lol funny.
It doesn't really mean anything. It sounds cool though.It shouldn't be a huge problem swiching. The only realy issue, that I have seen with Vegan friends, is eating out at a restaurant. It's almost impossible to guess what is in certian dishes. There should be some vegan friendly restuarants around and you can use ideas from their dishes as jumping off points in making something else, if that makes sense. Get a good cookbook.Good luck.
way to destroy your sons conscience just as it was beginning to develop. This is akin to Homer and marge getting lisa the "pony" when she was a buddhist.My kid told me he was going to be a vegetarian after watching some crap at school about slaughterhouses or something.. I told him no problem! I proceeded to cook up a giant batch of BBQ spare ribs. His favorite. I spooned out some corn and threw a potato on his plate and then the rest of us started eating the ribs. He was a vegetarian for about 15 minutes. He couldn't resist. Not sure how that story is relevant, just thought I'd share.
If you end up giving up beer because of this I can teach you how to make it yourself. Without any of that ####.KarmaPolice said:For most of the vegans I know, that's not the point. Mostly its about what the animals have to go through get all the meat and products from them, not about the amounts that's in the food.culdeus said:I'd believe that most of that stuff has to be used on a macro scale, but likely on such a small amount it's just fearmongering. If craft brewers use any of that stuff I'd be shocked. Now lactobacillus is used for some styles, but sheesh. Whereever that came from 100 years ago would have been long since dead. The whole "bone charcoal" thing is also lol funny.drpill said:
Was thinking the same thing. Nice support system.Hipple said:way to destroy your sons conscience just as it was beginning to develop. This is akin to Homer and marge getting lisa the "pony" when she was a buddhist.My kid told me he was going to be a vegetarian after watching some crap at school about slaughterhouses or something.. I told him no problem! I proceeded to cook up a giant batch of BBQ spare ribs. His favorite. I spooned out some corn and threw a potato on his plate and then the rest of us started eating the ribs. He was a vegetarian for about 15 minutes. He couldn't resist. Not sure how that story is relevant, just thought I'd share.
Eating out is not really an issue at any decent restaurant. Most chefs are more than willing to either substitute out non-vegan foods, or cook up a dish to your liking.Chain-type restaurants can be more difficult. Mainly beacuse most of their food is already prepackaged or precooked to some extent.SeveredHorseHeads said:
I'll take a stab at this. First off I would say, that most of my veggie or vegan friends are these weird militants that people talk about (there are militants in every crowd). I think most people very much recognize that every step is a good one and that's the way I look at it too. Now to address your points
I think anyone who eats conventional animal products ought to visit a factory farm to see the horrors firsthand. Unfortunately, such farms are never open to the public, so we have to rely on hidden-camera footage (as shown in Earthlings).
Part of MT's point is that going vegan <> not killing animals. And he's right (as he usually is).
MT provided a specific example of a cruelty free dairy (Organic Pastures) and pointed out that there are plenty of pasture raised farms that provide very humane environments for the livestock.
This is super interesting - I'll post a response/thoughts later (I'm a vegetarian for ethical reasons).
I know he did but that is almost an impossibility on a large scale. I don't know much about organic pastures but technically speaking it seems difficult to even understand how it is feasible to produce more than just a neighborhoods worth of milk every year under these conditions. As I said earlier the calfs need milk so I don't know how you would be able to mix the two while making it profitable.
There is killing either way. You have to kill to make beef, and you have to kill to make wheat. Are you drawing a distinction between actively killing animals to eat them and passively killing animals to keep them away from our crops? That's a philosophically legitimate distinction, I think. It reminds me of a variant of the trolley problem.killface said:
I don't think any of that applies. A quick google search would show that the amount of resources to both feed and water that goes into animal agriculture is extremely significant. I believe there would a bet gain for humans agriculturally if that space was dedicated to human consumption instead of animal consumption
Everything you've written here is about conventional agriculture (factory farms), which means that it doesn't address any of what I've written. I agree that factory farms are horrible, ethically and environmentally, and I'd support a complete ban on them.
But if we were to keep up our current rate of meat consumption and get rid of the factory farming model we would literally have to use the entire continent to have enough animals to support the current demand...how do you reconcile that? And of course more space for animal grazing means more forests torn down, means more wolves shot, means more cow manure in streams etc...
I'm not sure that's accurate, but either way, I'm not arguing that we should keep up the current rate of meat consumption. If we switch to pasture-based farming, prices of animal products will go up and consumption will go down. That seems appropriate to me. Prices should reflect a true accounting of resources that are consumed, and people's consumption habits should be constrained by prices.
If we removed the subsidies for animal agriculture the price would skyrocket
