Ted Thompson should be fired (1 Viewer)

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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Stokley can't stay healthy...we already have a WR like that...other than that I agree with pretty much everything else.

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Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less. TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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Carl Spackler said:

Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better. Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.Flame away

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Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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FAVRE said:

I'm still undecided on TT. Woodson and Pickett were pretty darn good last year the other guys not so much. As for McMichael...no thanks...talented yes but how many times has he been in trouble? Graham would have been my choice. We do need another safety and figured TT would get one via free agency...other than that who is available that you would want to give big money to? It's early in free agency, when all is said and done I think we will have some nice additions.

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Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Balco said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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The core was in place when they made the Reggie White/Sean Jones . . . etc. signing. Favre and Butler, were products of shrewd Ron Wolf trades. I would love to see TT make a trade like that, but it is rare to see young talent traded for picks (i.e. 1st or 2nd year guys like Favre and Butler). Wolf built up quite a team through the draft - Brooks, Freeman, Timmerman, Rogers, Koonce, Chmura, Simmons, Gabe Wilkins . . . etc.

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Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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sho nuff said:

Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Travis Henry is about the only guy I thought was good enough to really go after.I would have liked Drew Bennett as well...playing the compliment to Driver as he did to Mason.

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Balco said:

sho nuff said:

Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Travis Henry is about the only guy I thought was good enough to really go after.I would have liked Drew Bennett as well...playing the compliment to Driver as he did to Mason.

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Just to touch on receivers a bit. I still wouldn't mind the Pack offering a deal to Kelly Washington. But one guy I am keeping an eye on is Kevin Curtis. He left Detroit and Minnesota without a contract. He could be had on the cheap, and this guy is a fantastic receiver. Has experience playing in the slot and as the # 2 receiver (where he put up awesome numbers).

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Balco said:

sho nuff said:

Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Travis Henry is about the only guy I thought was good enough to really go after.I would have liked Drew Bennett as well...playing the compliment to Driver as he did to Mason.

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Just to touch on receivers a bit. I still wouldn't mind the Pack offering a deal to Kelly Washington. But one guy I am keeping an eye on is Kevin Curtis. He left Detroit and Minnesota without a contract. He could be had on the cheap, and this guy is a fantastic receiver. Has experience playing in the slot and as the # 2 receiver (where he put up awesome numbers).

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Aaronstory said:

Balco said:

sho nuff said:

Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Travis Henry is about the only guy I thought was good enough to really go after.I would have liked Drew Bennett as well...playing the compliment to Driver as he did to Mason.

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Just to touch on receivers a bit. I still wouldn't mind the Pack offering a deal to Kelly Washington. But one guy I am keeping an eye on is Kevin Curtis. He left Detroit and Minnesota without a contract. He could be had on the cheap, and this guy is a fantastic receiver. Has experience playing in the slot and as the # 2 receiver (where he put up awesome numbers).

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I'd much rather they sign Washington than Curtis. What they need is someone who can really stretch the field.

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sho nuff said:

Balco said:

sho nuff said:

Snotbubbles said:

Who exactly was out there that you wanted them to sign? This FA class might have been the worst since FA started because teams have learned to tie up there potential FAs before they hit the market.What they should do now is re-sign the young talent they have that they may want to keep to long-term deals well before they will hit FA a la what Philadelphia did with Shaun Andrews, Reggie Brown, Mike Patterson, Trent Cole. The Andrews 7 year-40 million deal looks like a bargain already. But you can't wait until the year before you have to take a shot and re-sign them 2 years before they're eligible.

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Travis Henry is about the only guy I thought was good enough to really go after.I would have liked Drew Bennett as well...playing the compliment to Driver as he did to Mason.

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Just to touch on receivers a bit. I still wouldn't mind the Pack offering a deal to Kelly Washington. But one guy I am keeping an eye on is Kevin Curtis. He left Detroit and Minnesota without a contract. He could be had on the cheap, and this guy is a fantastic receiver. Has experience playing in the slot and as the # 2 receiver (where he put up awesome numbers).

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Im kind of pushing for Antonio Bryant...or making a deal for Darrel Jackson.

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Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less. TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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Brunell4MVP said:

I have a feeling we'll be sending you Portis for either a draft pick or KGB + picks. Then we resign Duckett.There goes half of your $30M.

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Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better. Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.Flame away

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Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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Balco said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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The core was in place when they made the Reggie White/Sean Jones . . . etc. signing. Favre and Butler, were products of shrewd Ron Wolf trades. I would love to see TT make a trade like that, but it is rare to see young talent traded for picks (i.e. 1st or 2nd year guys like Favre and Butler). Wolf built up quite a team through the draft - Brooks, Freeman, Timmerman, Rogers, Koonce, Chmura, Simmons, Gabe Wilkins . . . etc.

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And I was just going to cite Philadelphia as well, as a team that builds through the draft and then adds some free agents. But I think many Eagle fans will say that the big time $$$ free agents just didn't work out (see Owens, Terrel; Kearse, Javon). Andy Reid has it down to a science. Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent are aging? Here comes Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown in the draft (with Michael Lewis to boot). And they have made drafting O Lineman a science (and I can't remember how many people were bashing their Shaun Andrews pick. They traded up for him!!!! Now he is one of the best guards in the NFL).

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Slum Lord said:

Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better. Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.Flame away

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I hate to say this, but here is the typical Packer Fan, not paying attention to whats happened, is happening, and with NO regard to the future AT ALL. You cry when he doesnt make moves, then still cry when he does. Woodson and Pickett were decent or OK? Get real. Nope, those players did very little to help this team win 4 more games last year than the prior year. Those 8 ints by Woodson, well 15 other CB's had that, right? Yeah, Manual sucked. But Wolf never batted 1000 either, so lets not act like he was God. 30M under the cap does not = spend money like a complete idiot. Randy McMichael? Not paid much attention to what happened last year, did we? He's just like Bubba, except alot older. No thanks. Grahm got WAY more money than he's worth. Jamal Lewis? Washed up. McGahee? Not for two 3rd rounders, no way. Just because other teams overspend and make bonehead moves doesnt mean the Packers should too. There's nothing out there that will make an impact on this team. Take a look at the Redskins. EVERY YEAR they spend like drunken sailors, gobbling up every FA they can, and what have they got to show for it? Ted is building this team to be contenders year in and year out, not just this year. THATS what we should strive for. Brett is my all time favorite Packer. But I want the team to be great now AND when he's gone, and thats where we are headed. If we dont get him another ring, then we dont. He's still HoF, one of the best ever.

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Carl Spackler said:

I agree with you, and it seems like we're pretty much on the same page. I'm just frustrated that they didn't go after McMichael, a Drew Bennett, Joe Horn (although he is up there in age) maybe a Travis Taylor, or Dom Rhodes. No I don't want him just to go out and spend to spend, but I want him to help the team get better.

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Carl Spackler said:

Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better

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Carl Spackler said:

Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.

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He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.

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Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.

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I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.

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Titus Pullo said:

I'm hearing rumors that Justin Griffith is all set to sign with Green Bay. Just finalizing some numbers and it could happen as soon as Monday.

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mr. furley said:

Carl Spackler said:

Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better

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yesterday i read an interview with "team capologist" Andrew Brandt. he stated that the Packers have used up every penny of their cap space each year since he's been there. the reason they don't use it in MARCH... is because you need to have money available throughout the entire year.they could throw huge sums of money at crapshoot free agents.. go in to training camp with zero free cap money and then be ####ED when someone gets hurt. use your head.TIAeta: this is why i don't listen to local sports radio. "gah, hey Chris.. duh Pack has tirty mil under dah cap. why ain't we signin' guys. we coulda had Moss, Travis Henry, Randy McMichael, Jeff Garcia as our QB uh da fuchure and den we couda signed up Jamal Lewis as our runnin' back and traded for dat guy from Buffalo.. MaFahee er whadever.. dat's less than tirty mil dis year. Thompson don't know what he's doin. Da Pack should fire him and hire Ron Wolf again. we won da Super Bowl wit him. yah."a rudimentary understanding is helpful when following your football/sports team.

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Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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The core was in place when they made the Reggie White/Sean Jones . . . etc. signing. Favre and Butler, were products of shrewd Ron Wolf trades. I would love to see TT make a trade like that, but it is rare to see young talent traded for picks (i.e. 1st or 2nd year guys like Favre and Butler). Wolf built up quite a team through the draft - Brooks, Freeman, Timmerman, Rogers, Koonce, Chmura, Simmons, Gabe Wilkins . . . etc.

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I agree with you, and it seems like we're pretty much on the same page. I'm just frustrated that they didn't go after McMichael, a Drew Bennett, Joe Horn (although he is up there in age) maybe a Travis Taylor, or Dom Rhodes. No I don't want him just to go out and spend to spend, but I want him to help the team get better.

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Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better. Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.Flame away

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Titus Pullo said:

I'm hearing rumors that Justin Griffith is all set to sign with Green Bay. Just finalizing some numbers and it could happen as soon as Monday.

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Brunell4MVP said:

I have a feeling we'll be sending you Portis for either a draft pick or KGB + picks. Then we resign Duckett.There goes half of your $30M.

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Sabertooth said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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The core was in place when they made the Reggie White/Sean Jones . . . etc. signing. Favre and Butler, were products of shrewd Ron Wolf trades. I would love to see TT make a trade like that, but it is rare to see young talent traded for picks (i.e. 1st or 2nd year guys like Favre and Butler). Wolf built up quite a team through the draft - Brooks, Freeman, Timmerman, Rogers, Koonce, Chmura, Simmons, Gabe Wilkins . . . etc.

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I agree with you, and it seems like we're pretty much on the same page. I'm just frustrated that they didn't go after McMichael, a Drew Bennett, Joe Horn (although he is up there in age) maybe a Travis Taylor, or Dom Rhodes. No I don't want him just to go out and spend to spend, but I want him to help the team get better.

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Well, Randy McMichael was basically cut for David Martin. Shows you how good he really is and what his value is. Plus he's a criminal. Drew Bennett got a ton of cash for a player who is really a number 2 wideout. They tried to get Joe Horn, you can't hold a gun to his head. Travis Taylor is no better than Ruvell Martin. Dominic Rhodes is a possibility but he was soundly beaten out by a rookie last season so how good is he really?

I want him to help the team get better as well.

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Carl Spackler said:

Sabertooth said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Carl Spackler said:

Balco said:

Here is one Packer fan that completely disagrees with you.

I said in another thread. I don't want the Packers to be playoff contenders. I want them to be Super Bowl contenders. We need alot more pieces to get there. Spending money foolishly on players is not going to accomplish that.

TT had an awesome draft last year (although I wish he took Ngata instead of Hawk). And the Pickett signing was fantastic. His other free agent signins were low cost/low risk veterans. Lets not forget reupping Kampman to a great deal.

When the core is in place, thats when I expect TT to make some bold free agent signings. People are clamoring for him to make stupid moves like trading for Randy Moss just because its a name. I say I would rather have a Brandon Stokley for $8,000,000 less.

TT will do what he did last season, let other teams make average players rich, and then he will look for the bargains.

You build champions through the draft. Look at key players on the COlts O, for example - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dallas Clark, Dominic Rhodes, Joseph Addai. All home grown.

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One team.... I'll cite this team: Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, Eugene Robinson, Desmond Howard, Sean Jones.All either FA signings or trades. Mixed with good draft choices.

They have a good base right now along with the most important part, a still solid QB in Favre. Now is the time to make the moves.

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The core was in place when they made the Reggie White/Sean Jones . . . etc. signing. Favre and Butler, were products of shrewd Ron Wolf trades. I would love to see TT make a trade like that, but it is rare to see young talent traded for picks (i.e. 1st or 2nd year guys like Favre and Butler). Wolf built up quite a team through the draft - Brooks, Freeman, Timmerman, Rogers, Koonce, Chmura, Simmons, Gabe Wilkins . . . etc.

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I agree with you, and it seems like we're pretty much on the same page. I'm just frustrated that they didn't go after McMichael, a Drew Bennett, Joe Horn (although he is up there in age) maybe a Travis Taylor, or Dom Rhodes. No I don't want him just to go out and spend to spend, but I want him to help the team get better.

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Well, Randy McMichael was basically cut for David Martin. Shows you how good he really is and what his value is. Plus he's a criminal. Drew Bennett got a ton of cash for a player who is really a number 2 wideout. They tried to get Joe Horn, you can't hold a gun to his head. Travis Taylor is no better than Ruvell Martin. Dominic Rhodes is a possibility but he was soundly beaten out by a rookie last season so how good is he really?

I want him to help the team get better as well.

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I guess I agree with you. I meant Travis Henry, not Taylor. I still think Rhodes would be a decent pick-up, but you're right no one really knows.Ladell betts would be nice.

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mr. furley said:

Carl Spackler said:

Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better

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yesterday i read an interview with "team capologist" Andrew Brandt. he stated that the Packers have used up every penny of their cap space each year since he's been there. the reason they don't use it in MARCH... is because you need to have money available throughout the entire year.they could throw huge sums of money at crapshoot free agents.. go in to training camp with zero free cap money and then be ####ED when someone gets hurt. use your head.TIAeta: this is why i don't listen to local sports radio. "gah, hey Chris.. duh Pack has tirty mil under dah cap. why ain't we signin' guys. we coulda had Moss, Travis Henry, Randy McMichael, Jeff Garcia as our QB uh da fuchure and den we couda signed up Jamal Lewis as our runnin' back and traded for dat guy from Buffalo.. MaFahee er whadever.. dat's less than tirty mil dis year. Thompson don't know what he's doin. Da Pack should fire him and hire Ron Wolf again. we won da Super Bowl wit him. yah."a rudimentary understanding is helpful when following your football/sports team.

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I didn't expect you would be in here with anything intelligent to say other than bashing.Thanks for your input

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Carl Spackler said:

Ok, he did have a great draft last year, and brought in ONE decent FA, one Ok FA, and a couple HORRIBLE FA's, but nothing to really help this team immediately.He says Ron Wolf was his mentor? I call bullcrap on that. Wolf brought in many free agents to help build a winner, also made many trades to help build a winner. What has TT done? Brought in a couple has-beens and never-will-be's. Sure he's drafted ok, but he cannot count on drafting like that every year. A true winning team is built with a good combination of draftees and FA's as well as mixing in good trades. TT will not do this.Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better. Randy McMichael would have been a GREAT start as they need a seasoned TE to get that group solidified. Why was TT not in there fighting for him? No he'll draft a TE this year, a year that is VERY weak on TE's. Yea, that'll really help us out in what could be Favres last year.I'm very angry and frustrated with TT's inability to see the need to make this team better NOW. Who knows what will happen in the future? They have a great base right now, with some key FA acquisitions they could make a SERIOUS run this year in a very weak NFC. Without any quality FA's this team will remain stagnant, and not improve much at all.Flame away<_<

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Carl Spackler said:

mr. furley said:

Carl Spackler said:

Green Bay is $30 Million under the cap or thereabouts. Why is he not moving to make this team better? there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not maxing out the cap to help your team get better

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yesterday i read an interview with "team capologist" Andrew Brandt. he stated that the Packers have used up every penny of their cap space each year since he's been there. the reason they don't use it in MARCH... is because you need to have money available throughout the entire year.they could throw huge sums of money at crapshoot free agents.. go in to training camp with zero free cap money and then be ####ED when someone gets hurt. use your head.TIAeta: this is why i don't listen to local sports radio. "gah, hey Chris.. duh Pack has tirty mil under dah cap. why ain't we signin' guys. we coulda had Moss, Travis Henry, Randy McMichael, Jeff Garcia as our QB uh da fuchure and den we couda signed up Jamal Lewis as our runnin' back and traded for dat guy from Buffalo.. MaFahee er whadever.. dat's less than tirty mil dis year. Thompson don't know what he's doin. Da Pack should fire him and hire Ron Wolf again. we won da Super Bowl wit him. yah."a rudimentary understanding is helpful when following your football/sports team.

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I didn't expect you would be in here with anything intelligent to say other than bashing.Thanks for your input

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Challenge Everything said:

Furley speaks the truth about Packers sports radio and the "fans" that call in. Chris Havel is one of the worst Packer news people out there and that is being generous. Also, the fans in Green Bay might know how the game of football is played but they know very little about the inner workings of a football franchise.

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Sabertooth said:

Green Bay is the youngest team in the NFL Furley. Just sayin' Doesn't mean I disagree with your viewpoint.

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