ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
Never been to Milwaukee obviously.I was under the impression that it took longer to get to Milwaukee from Hell.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
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What would happen if I fought a featherweight boxer? (1 Viewer)
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
When I was 15 I had a job in my dad's grocery store. This meat cutter in the store was all of 5'7" and about 140. Wiry little guy. Nicest guy in the world. I had heard he was a real badass. One day he comes into the store and has fat lip and a black eye and all kinds of scrapes. The usual jokes about, "you should see the other guy," were going around. Then the, "other guy," came in to cash his check. This store was in a really bad neighborhood. This dude was a mountain. 6' 5" brutha that weighed in at over 250. Almost double Ron's weight. He looked like he had just gotten into a car accident. Whole side of his head was swelled up. Broken nose. Fat lip. He walked up to the meat counter to cash his check and apologized to Ron for, "pissing you off last night. Won't happen again."Everyone watching this display was speechless. I had heard the guy was nails. Turns out he was a flippin nail gun....I've always said I would fight anyone anywhere. Not saying that I start fights, but I don't back down. I;ve stared down much bigger guys and walked away unscathed without a punch thrown. If I had to defend my family I would fight ron, but I'm pretty sure I would get smoked...
ttiger72
Footballguy
I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
This is now getting into ego.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
It's Czechoslovakia. It's like going into WisconsinI got my ### kicked in Wisconsin once....Never been to Milwaukee obviously.I was under the impression that it took longer to get to Milwaukee from Hell.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
matuski
Footballguy
Read the thread before you go off on your soap box.. you are adding zilch.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
These guys DO NOT hit as hard as the big guys. That is preposterous. They hit hard enough to put "joe street tough" down easily though.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
matuski
Footballguy
You lost me...I was under the impression that it took longer to get to Milwaukee from Hell.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
To protect the big, slow guys.Then why do they have weight classes?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
matuski FootballguyYou lost me...I was under the impression that it took longer to get to Milwaukee from Hell.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
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bakes
I am the Beer God!
This will come in handy for you.Alright lazy bastages. recap:
Thread started by shady asking the question. I stated my opinions, others stated theirs. I volunteered to find out. This is not an ego thing... I am truly curious, so what the hell.
Me - Father taught boxing as teen (he boxed/karate in school)). Submission training (mostly wrists) - whole life from father. Aikido - couple years again as teen. Athletics - several sports in high-school. Track, tennis, bball, soccer. Offers to play college tennis, bball.
Age - 31, good shape (past my peak though), play in competitive (mostly ex college/pro) bball league. 6'2"/3" 220lbs.
Opponent - obviously hypothetically my claims are aimed atanyone that would qualify as a featherweight, in a street fight. In reality, after a conversation with a guy at my gym that is involved in boxing, I am not sure there is any way it would ever happen (me officially boxing a guy that much smaller than me). He described it as a no-win situation.
People are wanting to pile on without understanding the point...
The Goat
Footballguy
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
actually I think the Avatar adds a lot...................Read the thread before you go off on your soap box.. you are adding zilch.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
matuski
Footballguy
matuski FootballguyYou lost me...I was under the impression that it took longer to get to Milwaukee from Hell.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
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matuski
Footballguy
All I'm sayin. If I can grab or even get a glancing blow to a dude that small, he goes down, I go on top -This will come in handy for you.Alright lazy bastages. recap:
Thread started by shady asking the question. I stated my opinions, others stated theirs. I volunteered to find out. This is not an ego thing... I am truly curious, so what the hell.
Me - Father taught boxing as teen (he boxed/karate in school)). Submission training (mostly wrists) - whole life from father. Aikido - couple years again as teen. Athletics - several sports in high-school. Track, tennis, bball, soccer. Offers to play college tennis, bball.
Age - 31, good shape (past my peak though), play in competitive (mostly ex college/pro) bball league. 6'2"/3" 220lbs.
Opponent - obviously hypothetically my claims are aimed atanyone that would qualify as a featherweight, in a street fight. In reality, after a conversation with a guy at my gym that is involved in boxing, I am not sure there is any way it would ever happen (me officially boxing a guy that much smaller than me). He described it as a no-win situation.
People are wanting to pile on without understanding the point...
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Dr. Watson
the unknown soldier
You gonna kick his ###?Read the thread before you go off on your soap box.. you are adding zilch.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
Eh, I wouldn't be so sure. While they can't hit as hard, they have close-to the ability to take a hell of a shot. I think you're gonna have to hit him with a telegraphed hay maker, and I just can't see that happening.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
And all I'm saying is that you'd have to be verty lucky to do so, as these guys train to evade punches almost as much as they train to punch, and are one helluva lot quicker than you are. All the power in the world is wasted if you're swinging at air.All I'm sayin. If I can grab or even get a glancing blow to a dude that small, he goes down, I go on top - see dog with ragdoll.This will come in handy for you.Alright lazy bastages. recap:
Thread started by shady asking the question. I stated my opinions, others stated theirs. I volunteered to find out. This is not an ego thing... I am truly curious, so what the hell.
Me - Father taught boxing as teen (he boxed/karate in school)). Submission training (mostly wrists) - whole life from father. Aikido - couple years again as teen. Athletics - several sports in high-school. Track, tennis, bball, soccer. Offers to play college tennis, bball.
Age - 31, good shape (past my peak though), play in competitive (mostly ex college/pro) bball league. 6'2"/3" 220lbs.
Opponent - obviously hypothetically my claims are aimed atanyone that would qualify as a featherweight, in a street fight. In reality, after a conversation with a guy at my gym that is involved in boxing, I am not sure there is any way it would ever happen (me officially boxing a guy that much smaller than me). He described it as a no-win situation.
People are wanting to pile on without understanding the point...
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matuski
Footballguy
I wouldn't throw a punch. Would look to grab/shove.And all I'm saying is that you'd have to be verty lucky to do so, as these guys train to evade punches almost as much as they train to punch, and are one helluva lot quicker than you are. All the power in the world is wasted if you're swinging at air.All I'm sayin. If I can grab or even get a glancing blow to a dude that small, he goes down, I go on top - see dog with ragdoll.This will come in handy for you.Alright lazy bastages. recap:
Thread started by shady asking the question. I stated my opinions, others stated theirs. I volunteered to find out. This is not an ego thing... I am truly curious, so what the hell.
Me - Father taught boxing as teen (he boxed/karate in school)). Submission training (mostly wrists) - whole life from father. Aikido - couple years again as teen. Athletics - several sports in high-school. Track, tennis, bball, soccer. Offers to play college tennis, bball.
Age - 31, good shape (past my peak though), play in competitive (mostly ex college/pro) bball league. 6'2"/3" 220lbs.
Opponent - obviously hypothetically my claims are aimed atanyone that would qualify as a featherweight, in a street fight. In reality, after a conversation with a guy at my gym that is involved in boxing, I am not sure there is any way it would ever happen (me officially boxing a guy that much smaller than me). He described it as a no-win situation.
People are wanting to pile on without understanding the point...
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
I'm sayin if I had a baseball bat, and he wasn't looking, I think I could take him, no problem.And all I'm saying is that you'd have to be verty lucky to do so, as these guys train to evade punches almost as much as they train to punch, and are one helluva lot quicker than you are. All the power in the world is wasted if you're swinging at air.
matuski
Footballguy
I am the tough guy right?You gonna kick his ###?Read the thread before you go off on your soap box.. you are adding zilch.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
ttiger72
Footballguy
This is what I was referring to. Secondly, why do you think you will be able to grab one of these guys to shake like a ragdoll?
Softballguy
Footballguy
I don't know Omar too well, but he seems like a really good guy. Henry looks pretty scary in that picture, but he's a really laid back dude as well. I doubt either of them will ever be in trouble with the law.
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
Shoving, as in removing both of your hands from a defensive position long enough for him to clock you?
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
Eh, I think this is a little misleading. You're reading it correctly. The thing is, we have no idea what reputation any of these guys have. For example, were the smaller guys known for being guys that could hit hard, and the bigger guys were technique /speed guys? Every boxer doesn't throw punches the same way.I have a hard time believing Big George Foreman, in his prime, couldn't hit harder than a featherweight.
It would be tough to simulate exact conditions for each boxer.
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matuski
Footballguy
I keep forgetting I am supposed to be helpless in your eyes.I may as well be fighting Superman, I mean - these men with 12 year old bodies are immortal.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
If you can get your hands on him and he's wearing a shirt, I would thing the yank and punch would be much better. Pull him towards you while you jack hammer him with your free hand. Then again you leave your self open and if he punched you in the throat you will drop to your knees in a nano second...Seriously, you have no chance here guy....
Dr. Watson
the unknown soldier
Apparently…I am the tough guy right?You gonna kick his ###?Read the thread before you go off on your soap box.. you are adding zilch.I think you missed it badly. These guys hit as hard as the big guys and are hella faster. You think you can withstand a Professional fighters shots to your body? You think you have enough quickness to hit them?
I'll bet you $5,000 cash that a "glancing blow" from a minimally trained amateur (read:you) isn't going to come close to knocking down a professionally trained featherweight. One of the many points you've consistently missed throughout this thread is that you can train and condition yourself to take punches. A professionally trained boxer is going to have a markedly higher threshold for taking punishment than you're giving him credit for, and his balance is going to be exemplary because of his low center of gravity and years of training. Also, the things you are considering "assets" - mass and strength, namely - will become liabilities after the first 3-4 minutes. The professional will run circles around you until your gassed, and at that point you will have no power behind any of your punches. He will then proceed to pick you apart like a buzzard picking at a carcass. Someone 130 pounds and fighting professionally has been negating the size and strength of larger men their entire life. You're just the latest in a line of tough guys who think their size is imposing or intimidating. These guys become fighters in part to make a mockery out of guys like you.All I'm sayin. If I can grab or even get a glancing blow to a dude that small, he goes down, I go on top - see dog with ragdoll.This will come in handy for you.Alright lazy bastages. recap:
Thread started by shady asking the question. I stated my opinions, others stated theirs. I volunteered to find out. This is not an ego thing... I am truly curious, so what the hell.
Me - Father taught boxing as teen (he boxed/karate in school)). Submission training (mostly wrists) - whole life from father. Aikido - couple years again as teen. Athletics - several sports in high-school. Track, tennis, bball, soccer. Offers to play college tennis, bball.
Age - 31, good shape (past my peak though), play in competitive (mostly ex college/pro) bball league. 6'2"/3" 220lbs.
Opponent - obviously hypothetically my claims are aimed atanyone that would qualify as a featherweight, in a street fight. In reality, after a conversation with a guy at my gym that is involved in boxing, I am not sure there is any way it would ever happen (me officially boxing a guy that much smaller than me). He described it as a no-win situation.
People are wanting to pile on without understanding the point...
matuski
Footballguy
Now on top of superhuman speed and quickness, they are also able to overcome the laws of physics?
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
These are not men with twelve year old bodies. That is a terrible analogy. These are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world, and you probably don't have as big an advantage in the strength category as you think.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
This has to be the dumbest thread ever...............no one knows what would happen until it happened.
Everyone is a toughguy until they get hit...then we seperate the men from the boys.
Everyone is a toughguy until they get hit...then we seperate the men from the boys.
ttiger72
Footballguy
That's why I was saying generally and not specifically that Tyson hits the same as Merriweather.
matuski
Footballguy
Obviously I am countering your extremes with my own.
IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
ttiger72
Footballguy
I am not saying your helpless, read the whole damn thread today. I just think you are underestimating the pro featherweights. They don't punch like a twelve year old, they don't move like a twelve year old. These aren't twelve year old bodies. They are fully matured men, just not large men. They are extraordinarily fast the reason you see few knock outs in the low weight divisions is because they can't hit 100% on punches consistently. You are used to seeing them in the context of fighting fairly equally skilled men of the same speed, not people like yourself that are of average speed.
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
How can a 130 pound guy hit as hard as a 200 pound guy? Its called physics.
I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.
I am an avid bowhunter. I can shoot a 500 grain aluminum arrow at 260 feet per second, or I can shoot a 400 grain arrow at 300 fps. That light arrow is going to deliver more kinetic energy to the target that the much heavier, and slower arrow.
People routinely forget about the acceleration component of force = mass x acceleration and put way, way too much emphasis on the mass part of it.
ChrisHenrysDD
Footballguy
What have I said that was extreme? The fact that these are men specifically conditioned to pound the tar out of people? And that they're the best in the world at it?This would be the same thing as me saying a baseball player that I have better eyesight than, probably can't hit the ball as well as I can. You're doing professional boxers a great deal of disrespect.Some people teach, some people serve and protect, some people put out fires. These people hurt other people. That's their business. That's what they do.What's the cutoff weight where you think you would get wrecked? 140? 160? 180?
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The Goat
Footballguy
This would be a completely valid argument if boxers shot arrows out of their forearms like GoBots.
playin4beer
Footballguy
I've followed and read this thread from the very beginning.I keep hearing the following in my mind:
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Okay i`ll play....matuski how do you think you would fare against a 7 foot 350lb guy in a fight ???Would you think your speed would be greater and your punch just as effective as his ???
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Softballguy
Footballguy
Size matters. A lot. I'm not sure what some of you guys are thinking.
Having said that, all 130lbs of Omar would choke you out within minutes of the fight. Your idea of just being able to scoop him up and throw him around is silly. He'd take you down and armbar or choke you before you got 2 punches off.
I remember my first day of training BJJ. The guy that walked in before me was about 40 pounds lighter than me, and I remember thinking "how much tougher can this little guy be?" It's a humbling experience getting destroyed by a guy that much smaller than you to the point that he could end your life, easily, if he wanted to.
ETA: Here is the smallish guy I'm talking about - Tony Dedolph (the white dude).
Having said that, all 130lbs of Omar would choke you out within minutes of the fight. Your idea of just being able to scoop him up and throw him around is silly. He'd take you down and armbar or choke you before you got 2 punches off.
I remember my first day of training BJJ. The guy that walked in before me was about 40 pounds lighter than me, and I remember thinking "how much tougher can this little guy be?" It's a humbling experience getting destroyed by a guy that much smaller than you to the point that he could end your life, easily, if he wanted to.
ETA: Here is the smallish guy I'm talking about - Tony Dedolph (the white dude).
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Why do you want to punch infants??
The Goat
Footballguy
I think that in boxing, mass is at least equally, if not more, important. Just the size of a 200-lb guy's arm is going to make a huge difference.
Softballguy
Footballguy
Omar is the 130 pounder, Henry is 150. I'd give anyone on this board $1,000 if they could last 5 minutes with Henry.IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
Of course size matter - when discussing even remotely similar skill levels. That's the whole point of weight classes in wrestling and boxing - to pair similarly skilled athletes against one another. However, training > size, and many of us have seen or had this illustrated to us explicitly before. Some of us have not and seem to think a 70 lb weight difference is enough to account for the chasm of difference in skill between a professionally trained fighter and a rank amateur.
Uhm, pretty sure this has been worked out extensively before today. In calculating force, mass and acceleration are exactly equally important. One, by definition, cannot be "more important" that the other.
Fine. IF you can get matuski a fight with either of them, AND he'll do it, I'll pay for the flight any time you guys can coordinate calendars and get this beatdown videotaped.Omar is the 130 pounder, Henry is 150. I'd give anyone on this board $1,000 if they could last 5 minutes with Henry.IF Softball guy can seriously get you a fight with Henry, AND you'll actually fight the guy (complete with videotaped evidence to be provided via youtube to everyone here), I'll pay for the plane ticket from San Antonio to Milwaukee. I'm dead serious.If I ever accidentally drive 21 hours north and east I'll give you a call.
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