roadkill1292
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Having a different opinion = "loudmouth?"
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Vick Indicted ! ? (2 Viewers)
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bengalboy
Footballguy
I'm telling you, this is Pepps chance to return to stardom. He'd be a jewel in Petrino's pass happy, 4 WR set system....with a chip on his shoulder to boot. Sleeper.
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cowboyz
Footballguy
it's a dog eat dog world out there
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Schaub didn't have a say in getting traded. Though it wouldn't surprise me if he's thankful he won't have to be the one coming in after Vick. Harrington is the backup qb.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
Anyone still sticking up for Vick is deranged. Anyone still thinking he plays in 2007 is deranged. Vick has always wanted to be thought of as a thug... until now. At this point, I don't give a crap if that indictment is 99% wrong. As long as it is 1% correct, he is 100% guilty. What are the chances that at least 1% of that indictment is correct? 100%!
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Link?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I don't believe anyone is defending his actions. Those that are keeping a level head and not screaming he's going to spend x number of years in prison and that his football career is over are not "deranged".
mad sweeney
Footballguy
How is it a very big if? People have been claiming at every step that they had nothing on Vick and nothing would happen and here he is indicted. I certainly don't know if he'll get convicted but with all the time they took to get the indictments all set and the multiple searches leads me to believe that a conviction is much more probable than an acquital. So sure, it's still an 'if', but I can't see how it's a "big" if.
aardball44
Footballguy
This is what ESPN is saying, though they add that a conviction will be dealt with -- harshly -- by the NFL.
Air Coryell
Footballguy
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I think he is done.
Not that that means much.
But that is how I will draft.
Which might mean a little if more drafters feel that way.
Not that that means much.
But that is how I will draft.
Which might mean a little if more drafters feel that way.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
ESPN also said it was "unlikely" that Vick would be indicted. I think ESPN's opinion and analyses on this matter can safely be put at the bottom of the credible sources list.
Billy1x
Footballguy
There are BIGGER fish to be had. Of course. turning on them (can you say Hoffa).
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Keeping a level head has not been a very popular course of action in the Vick threads, Bob.Would this be a bad time for me to again suggest that the NFL ought to butt out? Frankly, it's interesting when the bad boys are out on the field playing football.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The big contract he signed with the Texans and knowing he has nobody to take his place for once.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I suggest tar and feathers.
jgb95
Footballguy
???yes he canpac man wasn't convicted
ninerfan
Footballguy
I think it's funny that people are speculating on whether or not Vick will be suspended. These are felony charges folks. If convicted, he stands a pretty good chance of going to prison. An NFL suspension will be a moot point (and the least of his worries). Either way, I think (my opinion) that the Falcons release him after this season. And, yes, I think he's guilty.
capmeo
Footballguy
What a piece of S***t. I read the indictment and I completely disgusted and disturbed. I hope he is jailed. I am considering taking him out of my leagues draft, I do want his name disgracing my league. And for the "he is considered innocent before before trial crowd"; read that indictment and tell him he is not guilty of even 1 count in there.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
suchislife
Footballguy
So even if there's no suspension for 2007, how effective can Vick be? Think about all the media distractions at training camp and throughout the season. Wouldn't the circus-like atmosphere wear thin on the players and coaches?
Bottom line, how confident would you be in drafting Ookie and plugging him into your opening day lineup? I could certainly see a point where the Falcons say enough's enough and send him home.
Bottom line, how confident would you be in drafting Ookie and plugging him into your opening day lineup? I could certainly see a point where the Falcons say enough's enough and send him home.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Hmmm, doesn't look all that good for Mike.
I thought i remember reading that when the feds indict that the conviction rate is high. Anyone know anymore about that?
I was one of the most vocal people stating that we shouldn't jump the gun until we've seen some decent evidence, and i still think that approach was right, but after reading that indictment i've jumped ship to the other side.
He might get off due to having great lawyers, but it's pretty clear he had involvement.
I thought i remember reading that when the feds indict that the conviction rate is high. Anyone know anymore about that?
I was one of the most vocal people stating that we shouldn't jump the gun until we've seen some decent evidence, and i still think that approach was right, but after reading that indictment i've jumped ship to the other side.
He might get off due to having great lawyers, but it's pretty clear he had involvement.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
It does not matter what any of us reading the indictment think about whether he did it. It is about process and the system. Do not assume that those in this crowd you speak of are defending Vick or necessarily think he is innocent.
Guzalot
Footballguy
Cue the lynch mob...
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
three posts down from yours; sounds pretty rational to me.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
How about the cruelty to animals card?
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
That was under the Taglibue "Boyz will be boyz" administration.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I think he probably skates. He's got great lawyers. He's on the trial for his life, you don't think he's going to spend whatever it takes to be free?$$ = freedom
Does ESPN have ANY credibility at all? Didn't they report a week or two ago that Vick was likely NOT being charged with anything?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Let me be the first to say that I've only read one post in this entire thread and that's the one I'm replying to. If anyone is inhumane to animals they deserve banishment not only from the NFL, but from everyone, PERIOD !!! What kind of idiot gets his kicks from that? The last time I checked, most serial killers got their kicks from being cruel to animals. I'm not saying that Vick did these things himself, but knowing it is happening and he could stop it is the same thing.
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Didn't help Libby. Maybe Vick has Bush on speed dial.
May Mr. Vick serve 6 to 10, lose every penny he has, and and any money he will earn in the future. I hope he has to live the rest of his life knowing he squandered fame and fortune.
You can take the thug out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the thug.
The best would be see how good Vick jukes with 100 Pitbulls let loose on his ###. Now that would be justice.
You can take the thug out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the thug.
The best would be see how good Vick jukes with 100 Pitbulls let loose on his ###. Now that would be justice.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Curious, his cousin, the tenant most discussed, Mr. Davon Boddie, is not mentioned in the indictment... 
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Now to the really important stuff: where does Vick's ADP go to now? For late drafts, where will it be a week before the start of the regular season?
As opposed to this rant in the other Vick thread:(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.UPDATE, MR VICK IS INNOCENT ON ALL CHARGES, VICK HATERS LOSE ONCE AGAIN. Better luck next time, maybe he'll get caught jaywalking next week and a 14 page thread where people can vent their hate for him can start once again.To the above poster who said that no one is on their radar at this point....court documents were filed, i may be crazy but i assume that there were names on those documents, and none of those names were MVP Vick.LOCK THIS THREAD MODS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE ANYMORE. All this has been is a witch hunt with absolutely no basis in reality.God bless you Mike Vick, please don't think everyone is out to get you.Edit to add this was a ILUVBEER99 quote
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I highly doubt the CFL or AFL would touch him. After Lawrence Phillips (and, to a lesser extent, Ricky Williams) the CFL is not going to be eager to go after serious NFL head cases. The AFL bills itself a a family-friendly league and is profitable without Vick. No way they ruin the reputation they've built over 20+ years. I just read the indictment, and it's not even like Vick was simply the "money man." If true, he was an active, travelling participant, evaluating the dogs and being consulted on killing the losers. If any of that pans out, any sports team would have a circus in their city if they signed him to anything. Not just PETA, but regular folks would be outraged, and teams would see a net loss in season ticket sales imo. You can do drugs, you can steal and you can beat people up and still get a "second chance" with many fans. But if you torture an animal, you're done.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Exsqueeze me? You've been a proponent of "not jumping the gun?!" Allow me to present your response to the feds investigation...
You've been an undying proponent of Vick's innocence, no matter what news story broke. Calling it a witch hunt and direct assualt on Vick's character. And you challenged all the "haters" to man up and apologize even though no indictments had been handed out. Maybe you didn't jump the gun to convict him, but you sure jumped the gun condemning all those that thought , based on increasing stories of his involvement, that Vick was dirty. Jumping the gun works both ways and you called out a lot of people who have turned out to be right in their belief that the feds would come down on Vick.. Revisionist history my friend doesn't cut it in the Shark Pool. Man up, admit you went way overboard on the ProVick Bandwagon despite increasing odds against him.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
What kind of sick fool kills a dog -- let alone ELECTROCUTES one?
I agree 100% and at this point when this is all proven out I will not particiapate in **ANYTHING** Vick is involved with..if the NFL allows him to play again i will not spend one single penny on anything that has anything to do with its league EVER again and hope I am not they only one who feels this way.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
and don't forget hanging, drowning and actually beating them to death.....WTF?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
LOL. It looks like Mr. Herpes is in deep doo doo.
the storm is still way out in the sea..just wait until it hits main land and the NFL's pocketbooks.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Here's what I can't believe, how can Marcus Vick NOT be involved in this???
CA_7
Footballguy
Am sure there is some fine print somewhere but NFL Player Conduct Policy for Reference:
http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx
Basically, at this point Vick is subject to counseling/evaluation by the league and players can only be suspended for the following:
- Failure to cooperate with said evaluation
- Convicted or admitting to criminal activity
- Failure to report an arrest or criminal charge (one of the things that got Pacman suspended)
- Violent activity in the workplace
None of these apply to Vick (yet). Therefore the league will not suspend him until one of them happens.
http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx
Basically, at this point Vick is subject to counseling/evaluation by the league and players can only be suspended for the following:
- Failure to cooperate with said evaluation
- Convicted or admitting to criminal activity
- Failure to report an arrest or criminal charge (one of the things that got Pacman suspended)
- Violent activity in the workplace
None of these apply to Vick (yet). Therefore the league will not suspend him until one of them happens.
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