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I can see both of these going down. Every year there are a couple teams with 13-14 wins, so it's not like 16 is completely out of reach.7 sacks seems impossible but with the right conditions (snowstorm, overtime, etc.) it could fall.
I thnk Jerry Rice's records are close to unbreakable. I know we are seeing passing era of football but with NFL free agency (playing on good O vs. bad O), injuries, and most important, peoples straight up desire to be the best, Rice is almost untouchable. M. Harrison is great and one of the best, but even he will not catch Rice. Alot (not all) of the young players coming into the league today care more about money it seems than they do about the game. Rice love of the game, determination to be the best, and durability ae all things that will have to be matched in order to come close to his records. Just look at R. Moss. When he came into the league everyone thought after his first 2 or 3 years that he was going to break all of Rices records. Just shows how hard it was for Rice to do what he did.It will take a "perfect" career for a WR to come close to what Rice accomplished.
It's more breakable than the 99 yard reception or the 99 yard rush or the 109 yard kickoff return (which hasn't happened yet, but certainly will eventually). You're right, though, that no matter how many teams tie the record, the Dolphins will go down in history as one of a very small number of teams that has ever achieved the perfect season.
Both Noll/Shula were on the hot seat when they volunteered to pull the plug.... and that's despite the fact they were two of the most successful coaches ever.Noll hadn't won 10 games in PIT the last 8 years of his run in PIT. Plenty of people thought he was too loyal to Bradshaw and didn't bring in someone to groom to replace him soon enough.I remember plenty of fans were excited about Shula leaving and I never did understand that one. He had 10/11/12 win seasons in his last six years in MIA. I think that example only underscores the fact fans expectations are just so unrealistic. The big knock on Shula was "what has he done lately?". 12-4 is a big deal in the NFL but it's not good enough for fans if you lose in the playoffs. He fell victim to yet another potential pitfall to the longevity of a coaching staff: flavor of the month. Jimmy Johnson was the hottest commodity out there at the time and Shula was discarded as an afterthought when Jimmy Johnson became available. MIA threw away maybe one of the best coaches of all time for one of the best coaches of the last decade.You would think a guy like Jeff Fisher would have a chance but even he was reported to be on the hot seat going into last season. Still haven't figured that one out either. The front office new the franchise was going to be in salary cap hell for at least one year, maybe two and predictably TEN stunk. Fisher has always been a good coach. Perhaps part of the reason I don't think that record will ever be broken is because so much of it is out of the coaches hands. He can coach great but if his GM puts his team in cap hell or his big $ franchise player gets a career ending(or even just talent eroding) injury the coach gets blamed. The easy out is to change the coach and pray for better results. Ask oak fans.It's easy to throw out Belichick now, but get back to me in a couple of decades and we'll see how the landscape has changed. If Brady(who is over 30btw) has a serious injury that team goes from world-beater to very good quickly.As far as Shanny he does seem like the Teflon don. They underachieve in the playoffs every year and he seems to escape all criticism. It's always the QB's fault.... which may not bode well for Cutler. Truth is Shanny has won ONE playoff game since '99. At some point that could catch up to him.
I think that this record is more about ownership than the coach. Bowlen and the Rooneys have both shown incredible commitment and a strong belief that stability is the hallmark of a championship franchise. I believe that Kraft follows the same philosophy. That means that Shanahan at least, and possibly Belichick and Tomlin (if he proves capable), too, will have a chance at that record.Also, Shanahan may only have won 1 playoff game since Elway left town, but the Broncos have the 5th-best winning% in the NFL over that span (behind New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, and Philly). They also have the fewest losing seasons, and are the only franchise without a top-10 draft pick during that stretch. It's not like there's a whole lot there to catch up with Shanahan.
A few factors help Rice Jr.;- as was mentioned rule changes can help a ton. Ratings drop, less contact between DB's/WR's to score points and win fans. Or what about losing all 4 preseason games and lengthening the season? That's a huge advantage to Jr.- advances in sports medicine(detectable and otherwise). Rice had an amaizing run of health but at some point the average player may have a longer career.- expansion. The players pool gets diluted and you have one great WR playing with one great QB for a long stretch to take advantage of a lot of mediocre DB's. We already see a lot of that and I wouldn't gamble against the NFL expanding even more at some point.- history. Bigger. Better. Faster. It's been proven time and time again. Whatever one athlete can do another athlete will come along and eclipse. Someone WILL break Wilt's 100-point game.... but he may not be born yet.
Assuming some other team does go undefeated, why would you go back in history and give Miami and asterisk? A modern day team going undefeated would be more impressive (especially considering the cup cake schedule the Dolphins played in 72) but it doesn't do anything to diminish the accomplishment of the Miami team.
Sounds an awful lot like Shula to me. There was no single reason Shula "retired" to make room for Jimmy Johnson. Shula was(and probably still is) a great NFL coach.Answer me this... if suddenly Belichick for whatever reason showed interest in DEN don't you think there'd be a LOT of DEN fans clamoring for BB???? As a hypothetical.
Fans don't decide who the team hires, ownership does. If Belichick was interested in Denver, then no, I don't think Bowlen would fire Shanahan to hire Belichick. I honestly don't. If Belichick were interested in Pittsburgh last year, I don't think the Rooneys would have fired Cowher for him. And if Shula had coached Denver, then no matter how upset the fans were, I don't think Bowlen would have pushed him out.Pat Bowlen has said many times that Mike Shanahan is the coach of the Denver Broncos for as long as Mike Shanahan wants to be coach of the Denver Broncos. I truly believe that he means it. His actions and his stated beliefs have always fully supported that claim.
Never seen 2-0. Yet, I recall an enjoyable 1970 playoff game between DET and DAL. Cowboys won it 5-0.
Then we simply disagree. I think I'm more pessimistic towards the owners than you are. Honestly I think they'd push their own mother in front of a bus if it meant getting a voter referendum passed for a new stadium. IMO to owners it's all an inflated mobile with a "$" in the middle and the rest just whirling 'round and 'round it. I know a billionaire doesn't really need <X million> more, but there's a reason he became a billionaire in the first place. It doesn't often happen by accident. And that's where the fans do have a voice in who goes and who stays. It's their "$" in the middle of the mobile.
I doubt that record will be broken. The talent has been available to do so, but Wilt required a lot of help (from his teammates and the other team) to reach that mark, in addition to his considerable advantage in height during his glory days, which has practically dissapeared since the late 70's.Also, in today's NBA no player will make 60+ FG attempts, which Chamberlain did.
I'm not saying that Bowlen isn't motivated by money, I'm just saying he's a lot smarter than most owners when it comes to knee-jerk reactions. Over the long run, nothing results in more money than winning, and Bowlen is of the opinion that the single most important characteristic in winning franchises is stability. Kicking Shanahan to the curb might result in more money in the short term, but according to everything Bowlen has said on the matter, he firmly believes that it will result in less winning (and therefore less money) in the long term.
Stay Hot Jim..... stay hot.
Simple. The record is one.All you have to do is do it twice.guitarmonkiy said:
Thanks, Grandpa.However, career records still get broken, even in this era of unbelievable selfishness where players want their share of the money instead of countless billions going to the owners.TheGreatest said:
By the way, records simply don't get an asterisk. It's a record, or it's not.The most famous "asterisk" never was one. Maris never had one next to his record. The record books just simply said:"Most home runs, 162 game season: Roger Maris, 61""Most home runs, 154 game season: Babe Ruth, 60"They're not going to go back and put a star next to the record. Just doesn't happen. Ever.BoltBacker said:
Terrell Owens??
I never said players shouldn't get paid. I just think playing football should matter most to them. Not how much money they are making. Players should get paid alot if they deserve/earn it, but not before they play a down in the NFL. All these rookies coming in holding out for more money (J. Russell) before they even play a down is ridiculous.
No, they should get paid what the market bears. Economics is lovely.And pointing out TO as an example for the entire league when for every TO, there's 5 LT, Chad Johnson, Tiki Barber types out there is just plain cherry-picking.Terrell Owens??
Also, claiming that TO is playing football for the money is laughable. He risked a career-ending injury by rushing back from his broken leg to play in the superbowl while his team doctors were TELLING HIM NOT TO. Let's see, disobeying his employer's recommendations, risking his livelihood, and going above-and-beyond performing an action that wasn't expected of him and which he wouldn't have been blamed if he didn't do. Sure sounds to me like the actions of someone who only cares about the money, alright.No, they should get paid what the market bears. Economics is lovely.And pointing out TO as an example for the entire league when for every TO, there's 5 LT, Chad Johnson, Tiki Barber types out there is just plain cherry-picking.Terrell Owens??I never said players shouldn't get paid. I just think playing football should matter most to them. Not how much money they are making. Players should get paid alot if they deserve/earn it, but not before they play a down in the NFL. All these rookies coming in holding out for more money (J. Russell) before they even play a down is ridiculous.
I was surprised to see that Peyton's longest has been 27, and that was back in 1998-99. His second longest is only 19, including postseason games. Warner had 26 in a row in 1999-2000, including the 1999 postseason. I'd be interested in Marino's best, but I'm not sure where to find game logs for most of his career (not at pfr). It does seem harder than I thought.One thing I noticed in looking at this is that one problem is the token appearance once a playoff seed is locked up. This has happened to Peyton a few times, so it might prevent him from sustaining a streak long enough to challenge Unitas.MarshallRob said:
I guess you must mean consecutive starts...? Bruce Matthews holds the record of 296 games played as an offensive lineman. That could easily stand as a record - it is 18 1/2 seasons without missing any games. Anyone know who the closest current player is? I doubt anyone is close.delusional said:
George Blanda owns lots of positive career records, but one negative one that might be tough to break is 42 interceptions in a season. I think the next nearest is Vinny with 35. With the pressure on owners and coaching staff nowdays, it's hard to envisage a QB still being on the field once they got past 30 or so in a year (though Favre did have 29 a couple of years ago).Grigs Allmoon said:
with that ultra tough schedule, they have less than a 5% shot imo.fsufan said:will be broke this year by NEGrigs Allmoon said:
I would say Graham's 10 straight championship appearances would trump this.
Maybe, but there was only one post-season game played back then. You played your 12 games and if your team was good (6 teams per conference), you went to the championship game. It's much different now when you throw in 32 teams, wildcards, divisional playoffs, championship games and then finally you reach the Super Bowl. Getting there 5 times in a row for one player is quite an accomplishment.
I think the 20 receptions in a game will be the easiest one in this entire thread to take down.
I don't know why more INTs were thrown back in the day, or maybe it just seems like it to me. Does anyone know?That IMO makes Favre's soon to be held all-time INT record even more astonishing. How long has that record been held?
The Dolphins were 1st in all four categories: yards and scoring, offense and defense.What does 1st in special teams mean?
Yes, 307 at the moment. Jim Marshall's next with 282.
It's mostly because DBs were allowed to maul receivers back then. But there were some other factors, including the shape of the ball (made it harder to throw) and the fact that teams ran the ball more often (there just weren't many talented or experienced passers). Also, there was a mentality that INTs were an accepted part of the game, and no one dared to go against the grain.
Manning is at 147; he could easily break Favre's consecutive game record. He was a year younger than Favre when they started their respective streaks.Manning to Harrison is definitely going to be tough to break.
I disagree with your example, and it makes a point that games change. No one will break Wilt's 100, because there are too many good athletes in basketball and the difference between the best player in the league and everyone else is tiny compared to what it was in Wilt's day. (Cal connection: Darrell Imhoff was one of the guys guarding Wilt for his 100-point game).Wilt's team scored 169 points that game. I'm not going to look up the last time an NBA game went over 150 points, but I think it's been a very long time. Wilt took 63 shots and 32 free throws; do you really think that could happen in today's NBA? Even with Kobe's amazing 81, he only took 46 shots and 20 free throws.
osi umenyiora has 4 sacks and there are 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.. probably won't happened.. but you never know
That's the one I can't see getting touched. Not in the salary cap/free agency era.
