CalBear
Footballguy
That's true for any player on salary.
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QB Philip Rivers, RET (4 Viewers)
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Tau837
Footballguy
I have to agree with CalBear here. I am a Chargers fan who felt last year they should have either traded him or worked out a contract with him. I definitely think if they had VJax all season last year, the Chargers would have made the playoffs. I know many Chargers fans around here disagree, and, frankly, I think they react that way from a biased perspective. 
I posted last season that I felt that A.J.'s stance implied that they should not franchise him. I felt all along that if he was worth paying big dollars on a franchise tag this year, he was worth signing to a contract to have him on the roster last year, this year, and beyond, regardless of his contract/rights situation. And IMO that view has been proven correct. IMO A.J. should have either signed him or traded him in preseason 2010. It might not change anything about this year, but IMO it would have changed last year.
I posted last season that I felt that A.J.'s stance implied that they should not franchise him. I felt all along that if he was worth paying big dollars on a franchise tag this year, he was worth signing to a contract to have him on the roster last year, this year, and beyond, regardless of his contract/rights situation. And IMO that view has been proven correct. IMO A.J. should have either signed him or traded him in preseason 2010. It might not change anything about this year, but IMO it would have changed last year.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
We have no idea how those funds would be used otherwise? Ummm.. They didn't give V-Jax the contract, and here we are... Good thing the Chargers saved all that money huh?Aren't you the same guy that said V-Jax wasn't sitting out to avoid the risk of getting hurt last season?
Point is, any player could get hurt at any time, so based on your reasoning, none of them should get paid...
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Hard for me to remember which SD fans were saying what last season. Seemed like no one would admit there was fault on AJ's side. Here is some objective thought that a couple of these other folks should follow a little closer..I have to agree with CalBear here. I am a Chargers fan who felt last year they should have either traded him or worked out a contract with him. I definitely think if they had VJax all season last year, the Chargers would have made the playoffs. I know many Chargers fans around here disagree, and, frankly, I think they react that way from a biased perspective.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Anyone think DEN D/ST @ SD is a good start? Or is Rivers due for a bounce back game?
How bad is the OL situation in SD?
How bad is the OL situation in SD?
Tau837
Footballguy
That made you feel good inside, didn't it?Boy I guess Rivers does suck. He's thrown for only 63 yards and is below 50% completions at halftime vs the #31 ranked defense vs a QB. Let's see what he does the 2nd half.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Find a new favorite player. Mine is still Peyton Manning, with Andrew Luck waiting in the wings
togo
Footballguy
Did THAT make YOU feel good inside???That made you feel good inside, didn't it?Boy I guess Rivers does suck. He's thrown for only 63 yards and is below 50% completions at halftime vs the #31 ranked defense vs a QB. Let's see what he does the 2nd half.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
I think it is is 3 things. 1. The Prime Gates factor you mention above. 2. Sproles3. Offensive Line play
FavreCo
Footballguy
I think OL too. It had to be better last year. The pocket is collapsing immendiately every pass and the statue can't get away. At this point in time he is Dan Marino at age 38. He can't do anything on the run. As soon as he starts running there is no way he is going to complete the pass.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree. He was under a lot of pressure today. And there are not too many QBs who can be good consistently when they are under heavy pressure.
They have the definition of a patchwork OL right now, picked up an FA off the street last week and a PS guy. From watching the games, these guys may actually be doing a slightly better job than the starters. Not a good showing from Rivers today, but against Von Miller and Dumervil and the limited time he was given, I think he managed ok. Chargers really need to pick solidify the O-line this next draft. Luckily, with their current trajectory, they may have a good shot at an impact player for the OL. Right now they're not doing him any favors.
chook
Footballguy
Funny how quiet the pro-Rivers, anti-Cutler guys (
Maurile) have been of late. Makes a big difference when there's no line there to protect him, nowhere near as good as Jay when on the run.
There are a lot of quarterbacks I'd rather have than Rivers right now, for this season, but Cutler isn't one of them.
Tau837
Footballguy
two_dollars
Footballguy
Put Cutler on SD this season and he might have doubled River's numbers.
chook
Footballguy
Hopefully that's just tongue-in-cheek due to Cutler's injury, otherwise a statement that biased/stupid would make it very hard to take any of your rankings or articles seriously.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Wouldnt go that far. He is a homer for the Chargers with bias for Rivers... understand that, adjust for that and don't let it affect the rest.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Very funny and apropos comparison. Rivers has an inflated sense of self.'FavreCo said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Drew Brees is on TV.
I've trotted Rivers out each and every week, but I just don't know if I can do it this week. Last time Jacksonville was on prime time they played very inspired defense against Baltimore. This Jags teams hasn't allowed more than 24 points to be scored against them since week 5......and......they rank 4th in the NFL verse the pass. Smells like 190 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and possibly a fumble for Rivers.
Rivers seems to have lost some zip on his passes..........and certainly isn't throwing the ball down field much. Yes, I get that the O-line isn't giving him time, but.....if you need to keep a RB and a TE in to let him air it out once in a while then DO IT!
Rivers seems to have lost some zip on his passes..........and certainly isn't throwing the ball down field much. Yes, I get that the O-line isn't giving him time, but.....if you need to keep a RB and a TE in to let him air it out once in a while then DO IT!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, he'd probably have twice the INTs. I'm sure he'd do worse in every other category though.
chook
Footballguy
Bull####. Cutler was exceptional before the injury. Bears couldn't even get past KC at home without him.There were definitely times this year when the Chargers looked as though they would be better off with Rivers riding the pine.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Rivers63.4% comp8.0 y/a+6 TD/INTCutler58% comp7.4 y/a+6 TD/INT Keep in mind this was a better than average season for Cutler and one of Rivers worst seasons.
chook
Footballguy
I can't even begin to think how well Cutler would be with those targets to throw to. You only have to look how quickly the Bears have turned into a bottom five team without him to see he's had to make lemonade out of lemons every week he's been a Bear.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not to mention the entire reason this thread got dredged back up was because Rivers was making mistakes in the red zone, turning the ball over, forcing the ball, making poor reads. In other words the whole reason think he's playing "terrible" this year is because he was playing like Cutler has over the course of his career.'chook said:The numbers don't back me up so I'll just make stuff up. Awesome. You sound like calbear here.
Phlash
Footballguy
Not to mention the entire reason this thread got dredged back up was because Rivers was making mistakes in the red zone, turning the ball over, forcing the ball, making poor reads. In other words the whole reason think he's playing "terrible" this year is because he was playing like Cutler has over the course of his career.'chook said:
Cutler had one good season a few years back. Rivers has been exceptional for a while now.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Torches the Ravens. Helpless against the Lions.
Sounds about right.
Sounds about right.
He seemed to be getting things together, but then decided to revert back to the Rivers of the first 10 games of the season. I understand taking a chance with 5 minutes to go, down by 3 TD's for a quick score, but he threw to a guy (Jackson) with a groin injury.
I think they would have been better off, taking 10 yards a play and scoring (assuming they were able to execute) with about 2:30-3:00 to go, and then onside kicking/using their 3 TO's to get the ball back with about 2:00 to go...At least if they score with :30 seconds left, they have one last chance to get the ball back.....
I think they would have been better off, taking 10 yards a play and scoring (assuming they were able to execute) with about 2:30-3:00 to go, and then onside kicking/using their 3 TO's to get the ball back with about 2:00 to go...At least if they score with :30 seconds left, they have one last chance to get the ball back.....
Polar Dude
Footballguy
One of the worst seasons of his career still is good enough to warrant a trip.Pro Bowl......
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
horse####Pro Bowl......
It seems crazy, but not nearly as crazy as when he didn't make it in 2008 despite throwing for over 4,000 yards while leading the league in touchdowns, yards per attempt, and QB rating.This year was a terrible year for AFC quarterbacks. Manning and Schaub are out. Brady and Roethlisberger are in, but who else? I would have gone with Tim Tebow, personally. But aside from him . . . Ryan Fitzpatrick? Carson Palmer? Mark Sanchez? Joe Flacco? There's really nobody else deserving.'dickey moe said:horse####'DanFouts said:Pro Bowl......
SWC
Bromigo
shuould be brady then big ben although he should probably be in jail in real life and then schaub should still get in he was that good before he got hurt and then rivers then dalton and then no way do you put in tebow because althuogh he wins good on him mate he is still a terrible qb by all metrics such as yards ratings etc so take it to the bank
Tau837
Footballguy
During today's game, the announcers said Rivers is now only one of five QBs who have had back to back seasons with 4500+ passing yards. It will be interesting to see what coach takes over and how the offensive philosophy changes, if at all.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
He could do with throwing a few more into the ground.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
While I think Norv Turner is the #1 reason the Chargers have not reached the Super Bowl, Phillip Rivers has to be a disappointment by now, no?
We heard for years how Eli was not as good as Rivers, the Giants gave up too much, blah, blah, blah...but what has Rivers done? They have had a good enough defense. They have good weapons on offense. It's a mystery. Ben has been to 2. Eli is in his 2nd.
We heard for years how Eli was not as good as Rivers, the Giants gave up too much, blah, blah, blah...but what has Rivers done? They have had a good enough defense. They have good weapons on offense. It's a mystery. Ben has been to 2. Eli is in his 2nd.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well the main reason in the AFC is: NE Pit Indy one of these 3 teams pretty much go to the Superbowl every year recently. SD hasnt made the playoffs in 2 seasons because AJ smith has had some downright terrible drafts and the Defense is putrid.While I think Norv Turner is the #1 reason the Chargers have not reached the Super Bowl, Phillip Rivers has to be a disappointment by now, no?We heard for years how Eli was not as good as Rivers, the Giants gave up too much, blah, blah, blah...but what has Rivers done? They have had a good enough defense. They have good weapons on offense. It's a mystery. Ben has been to 2. Eli is in his 2nd.
Rivers was disappointing in 2011. He'd been fantastic before that. I'd still take him over Eli and Ben if I were starting a team from scratch.While I think Norv Turner is the #1 reason the Chargers have not reached the Super Bowl, Phillip Rivers has to be a disappointment by now, no?We heard for years how Eli was not as good as Rivers, the Giants gave up too much, blah, blah, blah...but what has Rivers done? They have had a good enough defense. They have good weapons on offense. It's a mystery. Ben has been to 2. Eli is in his 2nd.
