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Tyrod at QB kills the whole offense. Holds the ball way too long and this OL is not that good.

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2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Tyrod at QB kills the whole offense. Holds the ball way too long and this OL is not that good.

Tyrod kills the passing game.  They might lean on the running game more.  I think Melvin could have a big rise in output.

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Just now, lod001 said:

Tyrod at QB kills the whole offense. Holds the ball way too long and this OL is not that good.

It would be ugly for Keenan, Williams and Henry.   Tyron would rack up scrambling yards running for his life due to that o line.  

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1 minute ago, DocHolliday said:

It would be ugly for Keenan, Williams and Henry.   Tyron would rack up scrambling yards running for his life due to that o line.  

Tyrod is worth a pickup in 2-qb leagues.  He was often a top 10 fantasy quarterback while in Buffalo solely due to his legs.

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Philip Rivers completed 20-of-29 passes for 265 yards, two touchdowns and one interception in the Chargers' 23-20, Week 13 loss to the Broncos.

Rivers threw a horrendous interception to DT Dre’Mont Jones in the first quarter that resulted in Tyrod Taylor briefly warming up. The veteran QB did recover well enough, finding Austin Ekeler and Keenan Allen for 30-plus yard touchdowns thanks in large part to blown coverage. It’s been a rough year for Rivers and the Chargers, but he continues to rack up pass attempts with the offense often in comeback mode. Rivers is a low-end QB2 for next week's matchup against the Jaguars.

Dec 1, 2019, 7:46 PM ET

 

 

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1 hour ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

its over Phil, go enjoy your family. 

Has to be his plan.  The arm is ok but the decision making is off.   He can't think fast enough or something 

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51 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

Has to be his plan.  The arm is ok but the decision making is off.   He can't think fast enough or something 

He's got to be tired. What with Spanos acting like a child and then having to go home to happy hips and the brood. 

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Philip Rivers completed 16-of-22 passes for 314 yards, three touchdowns and zero interceptions in the Chargers' 45-10, Week 14 win over the Jaguars.

Rivers only played three quarters before being relieved by Tyrod Taylor. The long-time Chargers’ franchise QB had his best game of the season, hooking up with Hunter Henry, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler for touchdowns. The Ekeler score was simply a screen that wound up going 84 yards to the house, but Rivers deserves plenty of credit for his strikes to Williams and Henry. His day could've been even bigger if rookie Jalen Guyton didn't drop a potential 50-plus yard touchdown. Rivers has certainly had his lows this season, but this Chargers offense is still capable of putting up points with their talented group of skill-position players against the league’s more middling defenses. Fire up Rivers as an upside QB2 at home in Week 15 against the Vikings.

Dec 8, 2019, 7:15 PM ET

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

Terrible. But still better than Eli. 

Eli back up to .500 after today's victory.

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2 hours ago, need2know said:

Please retire

I hope not, watching him stink is so fun... he was my Romo replacement to enjoy watching failure. Although not as entertaining as Tony, I still enjoy him. 

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Philip Rivers completed 27-of-39 passes for 279 scoreless yards in the Chargers' 24-17, Week 16 loss to the Raiders.

It was his fourth touchdown-less game of the season. Losing to the Raiders after Oakland was beat by Jacksonville is another low point in a season full of them for the Chargers. Rivers is cooked and just doesn't have it anymore. The Chargers really need to move on after the season and find their quarterback of the future. Rivers will wrap up his season in Week 17 against the Chiefs.

 

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Coach Anthony Lynn didn't fully commit to impending free agent Philip Rivers starting for the Chargers in 2020.

Speaking Monday, Lynn stated, "Who wouldn’t want a guy with those intangibles, that production? Sure, but I have a lot of guys to look at, not just Phil. And it’s early right now in that process. But I love what he represents and what he stands for." This surely won't be the last we hear from this situation, as Rivers said he'd "consider" playing for another team. It's important to remember he's set to be a free agent. All parties have to want the same thing for this relationship to continue. Rivers might still be able to put up some numbers over the course of a 16-game season, but his inconsistent performance in 2019 didn't look close to a signal caller that can lead a team to a championship.

SOURCE: Eric Williams on Twitter

Dec 30, 2019, 5:25 PM ET

 

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15 hours ago, Faust said:
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Coach Anthony Lynn didn't fully commit to impending free agent Philip Rivers starting for the Chargers in 2020.

Speaking Monday, Lynn stated, "Who wouldn’t want a guy with those intangibles, that production? Sure, but I have a lot of guys to look at, not just Phil. And it’s early right now in that process. But I love what he represents and what he stands for." This surely won't be the last we hear from this situation, as Rivers said he'd "consider" playing for another team. It's important to remember he's set to be a free agent. All parties have to want the same thing for this relationship to continue. Rivers might still be able to put up some numbers over the course of a 16-game season, but his inconsistent performance in 2019 didn't look close to a signal caller that can lead a team to a championship.

SOURCE: Eric Williams on Twitter

Dec 30, 2019, 5:25 PM ET

Rivers' postgame press conference was interesting. He was surprisingly frank about a couple things.

  • "I know the people that know, know. I still can play at a high level."
  • "As far as can I do it, there's no question. Do I still want to, absolutely."
  • "I plan to play football... As long as somebody wants me, I'll be playing somewhere."
  • "If 1 of 32 teams wants me and it's the right situation and I can start that 225th game in a row, I'll be running out there."
  • He also alluded to the fact that the team has a lot of work to do beyond the decision about who will play QB. It is true, just a bit surprising to hear him allude to it.

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2 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Rivers' postgame press conference was interesting. He was surprisingly frank about a couple things.

  • "I know the people that know, know. I still can play at a high level."
  • "As far as can I do it, there's no question. Do I still want to, absolutely."
  • "I plan to play football... As long as somebody wants me, I'll be playing somewhere."
  • "If 1 of 32 teams wants me and it's the right situation and I can start that 225th game in a row, I'll be running out there."
  • He also alluded to the fact that the team has a lot of work to do beyond the decision about who will play QB. It is true, just a bit surprising to hear him allude to it.

Who would take a chance on him?

Maybe Jon Gruden? I don’t think he’s better than Carr at this point but maybe Gruden sees him as his new Gannon.

Maybe Arians as a stop gap in TB if they let Winston walk? Not sure he has the arm to fit the system though.

Chicago? Would he even want to play in late season games there?

His name may get him one last chance but I’m not sure that he has enough left at this point.

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53 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Who would take a chance on him?

Maybe Jon Gruden? I don’t think he’s better than Carr at this point but maybe Gruden sees him as his new Gannon.

Maybe Arians as a stop gap in TB if they let Winston walk? Not sure he has the arm to fit the system though.

Chicago? Would he even want to play in late season games there?

His name may get him one last chance but I’m not sure that he has enough left at this point.

Rivers is kind of the ideal QB to transition to bridge starter/vet mentor at this point.  He’s not someone I want heading my franchise anymore, but if my star goes down, he’s someone I would feel confident could come off the bench and keep a team afloat.

He looked terrible at times this year...worse than Brady, who is also in decline.  But the “thrust into the role on short notice” job is one where veteran experience ways more than arm talent.  Plus, unlike Brady, he strikes me as a kind of guy who wouldn’t mind playing the mentor late in his career.

Chicago would be a good choice, whether behind Trubisky or someone new.  Cincy would be another landing spot should they decide to let Dalton seek a starting job elsewhere.  

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Who would take a chance on him?

Maybe Jon Gruden? I don’t think he’s better than Carr at this point but maybe Gruden sees him as his new Gannon.

Maybe Arians as a stop gap in TB if they let Winston walk? Not sure he has the arm to fit the system though.

Chicago? Would he even want to play in late season games there?

His name may get him one last chance but I’m not sure that he has enough left at this point.

He is still a lot better than the popular narrative. Consider what he dealt with this season:

  • Pass blocking ranked by PFF as #31 in the league.
  • OC Whisenhunt was fired after week 8.
  • The running game was weak -- 28th in yards and anchored by Melvin Gordon, who averaged 3.8 ypc.
  • Gordon's holdout had a huge negative impact on the season. The coaching staff forced him into the lineup immediately upon his return, despite the fact that he clearly wasn't ready and Ekeler was playing great. That disrupted the offense for several weeks.
  • Lost #3 and #4 WRs early in the season. After Allen and Mike Williams, the WR with the most snaps was Andre Patton. If you said, who? the answer is, he is the WR who ranked #218 out of 220 graded WRs in PFF receiving grade.
  • Also lost TE Henry for 4 games and during that window lost #3 TE for the season.

The popular narrative focuses on his interceptions, but consider that despite the stuff above:

  • His on-target percentage was 76.7%, which was #10 in the league and better than Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Ryan, Wentz, Jackson, and Stafford, among others
  • His bad throw percentage was 15%, which was #7 (7th lowest) in the league and better than Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Cousins, Wentz, Watson, Jackson, and Stafford, among others
  • He was #7 in pass attempts but #3 in completions and #4 in passing yards
  • He was #4 in deep passing attempts yet was still #10 in overall completion percentage

And just last season, he was generally viewed as a top 5-ish QB.

IMO it seems much more reasonable to think that all of the stuff in my first list above contributed to his dropoff in play this year -- which wasn't that bad per my second list -- than to think he fell off a cliff.

ETA: To answer your actual question, I think it is most likely that he is the starter for the Chargers in 2020. If not, I think Oakland and Tampa are both possibilities. Maybe Carolina...?

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16 minutes ago, Arodin said:

whether behind Trubisky

:lmao: 

I very seriously doubt Rivers will sign with another team to play behind anyone. I expect he will retire if he isn't going to start.

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I just love when I come to FBG and see this thread title on the first page :lmao:

 

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CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports there's "a lot of buzz" about Tampa Bay being a possible landing spot for Philip Rivers.

Rivers recently packed up his home in San Diego and moved cross country to Florida to be closer to his family (in Alabama). That doesn't necessarily make the Bucs his first choice, but the declining 38-year-old impending free agent will undoubtedly have fewer options than past years following his fewest touchdowns thrown (23) since 2007. Rivers isn't the worst one-year stopgap if Tampa Bay fails to iron out a deal with Jameis Winston. Tom Brady, Ryan Tannehill, Marcus Mariota and Teddy Bridgewater will also likely crop up at some point as potential fill-ins under center.

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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

Jan 20, 2020, 1:32 PM ET

 

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32 minutes ago, Faust said:

 

 

So Tampa Bay would move on from a young turnover prone QB in favor of a 38 year old turnover prone QB? That doesn't sound like a good plan.

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21 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

So Tampa Bay would move on from a young turnover prone QB in favor of a 38 year old turnover prone QB? That doesn't sound like a good plan.

They haven't had a good plan for over 5 years. Why stop now. Rivers would guarantee them no shot at Trevor Lawrence. Now thats what I call a plan, 😁

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

So Tampa Bay would move on from a young turnover prone QB in favor of a 38 year old turnover prone QB? That doesn't sound like a good plan.

Career interception percentage: Rivers 2.6% (#30 all time), Winston 3.5% (#89)

Career fumbles: Rivers 112 in 239 career games, Winston 50 in 72 career games

Yep, pretty much exactly the same. :no: 

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1 hour ago, Just Win Baby said:

Career interception percentage: Rivers 2.6% (#30 all time), Winston 3.5% (#89)

Career fumbles: Rivers 112 in 239 career games, Winston 50 in 72 career games

Yep, pretty much exactly the same. :no: 

I'm pretty sure he's referring to recent play which would be spot on.

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55 minutes ago, Shawnky said:

I'm pretty sure he's referring to recent play which would be spot on.

Rivers had 20 interceptions and 8 fumbles playing in PFF’s #31 pass blocking offense. 

Winston had 30 interceptions (50% more) and 12 fumbles (50% more) playing in PFF’s #10 pass blocking offense. 

Again, not similar. 

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40 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Rivers had 20 interceptions and 8 fumbles playing in PFF’s #31 pass blocking offense. 

Winston had 30 interceptions (50% more) and 12 fumbles (50% more) playing in PFF’s #10 pass blocking offense. 

Again, not similar. 

None of that changes the fact that Rivers has become TO prone.  

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4 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

Career interception percentage: Rivers 2.6% (#30 all time), Winston 3.5% (#89)

Career fumbles: Rivers 112 in 239 career games, Winston 50 in 72 career games

Yep, pretty much exactly the same. :no: 

I’m not sure we’re getting Rivers career.

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24 minutes ago, Shawnky said:

None of that changes the fact that Rivers has become TO prone.  

So you apparently base this on his last 7 games, during which he had 13 interceptions, 4 fumbles, and 1 fumble lost = 14 turnovers in 7 games = 2.0 turnovers per game. While playing behind an OL that was bad to begin with and was mostly missing its best OL (Okung and Pouncey) during that stretch.

Despite the fact that in his first 9 games this season, he had 7 interceptions, 4 fumbles, and 1 fumble lost = 8 turnovers in 9 games = 0.9 turnovers per game.

Despite the fact that just last season, in 18 games, he had 13 interceptions, 2 fumbles, and 1 fumble lost = 14 turnovers in 18 games = 0.8 turnovers per game.

Believe what you want. The turnover narrative for Rivers in 2019 is popular but misleading.

Personally, I think Rivers would thrive playing for Arians, and I have no doubt Arians would much rather coach Rivers than Winston.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I’m not sure we’re getting Rivers career.

But why assume "we're getting" only his last 7 games when he was playing behind a decimated OL?

For that matter, since interceptions seem to be the popular narrative, consider how the past 3 seasons compares to previous 3 season blocks:

  • 2017-2019 - 42 interceptions, 2.5% interception percentage
  • 2014-2016 - 52 interceptions, 2.9% interception percentage
  • 2011-2013 - 46 interceptions, 2.5% interception percentage
  • 2008-2010 - 33 interceptions, 2.2% interception percentage

Not seeing a problem here. Meanwhile, last season:

  • Rivers had the 7th lowest bad throw percentage; Winston was 30th out of 32 shown at PFR
  • Rivers had the 10th highest on target percentage; Winston was 32nd out of 32

So, yeah.

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Just now, Just Win Baby said:

But why assume "we're getting" only his last 7 games?

You’re trying too hard.

Sorry he looks shot to me. If he still has something left in 2020 then I guess I’ll have to admit I was wrong to point out that he’s become a turnover machine.

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30 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

You’re trying too hard.

Sorry he looks shot to me. If he still has something left in 2020 then I guess I’ll have to admit I was wrong to point out that he’s become a turnover machine.

Sharing facts that provide appropriate context relevant to the common, surface-level narrative is trying too hard? Carry on, then.

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16 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Sharing facts that provide appropriate context relevant to the common, surface-level narrative is trying too hard? Carry on, then.

Relevant fact; Rivers had led the league in interceptions twice, been in the top 3 four times (including this year), and led the league in pick-sixes three times (including throwing 5 in 2015, second among active players to...Jameis Winston).

Since 2006 when he took over the starting job, he's #2 in the league in INTs with 197 (behind Eli).

He's also #2 in fumbles with 106 (also behind Eli). 

It's safe to say he's turnover-prone.

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3 minutes ago, CalBear said:

Relevant fact; Rivers had led the league in interceptions twice, been in the top 3 four times (including this year), and led the league in pick-sixes three times (including throwing 5 in 2015, second among active players to...Jameis Winston).

Since 2006 when he took over the starting job, he's #2 in the league in INTs with 197 (behind Eli).

He's also #2 in fumbles with 106 (also behind Eli). 

It's safe to say he's turnover-prone.

That is kind of unfair way to look at it, since I am guessing no other QB has started as many games from 2006-2019 as Rivers, considering Eli was benched in 2019, Roethlisberger has missed probably two seasons worth of games due to injuries, and Brady missed all of 2008.  What other QB has played close to as many games over that 14-year period as those guys?  Drew Brees is probably the only other one. 

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15 minutes ago, CalBear said:

Relevant fact; Rivers had led the league in interceptions twice, been in the top 3 four times (including this year), and led the league in pick-sixes three times (including throwing 5 in 2015, second among active players to...Jameis Winston).

Since 2006 when he took over the starting job, he's #2 in the league in INTs with 197 (behind Eli).

He's also #2 in fumbles with 106 (also behind Eli). 

It's safe to say he's turnover-prone.

But I provided those career numbers, and was told career numbers aren't relevant to the point being made. :shrug: 

As for 1st in the league since 2006, that is a loaded stat. He is second in pass attempts in that period, behind only Brees. The only other 3 QBs with more than 7K pass attempts are Brady, Brees, and Eli. Rivers is better than Eli and not as good as Brady and Brees, one of whom is the GOAT and the other of whom is a top 10 all-time QB. I don't see anything surprising there, and I don't see it as a particular negative for Rivers.

Same deal for fumbles. I expect without knowing where to find it that Rivers has taken more snaps and dropbacks than any QB in the league since 2006 except maybe Brees, and only a few others are close to him. Plus, QB fumbles for QBs who do not run are largely related to pass blocking, and Rivers generally had much worse pass blocking than his contemporaries named in this post.

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1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said:

That is kind of unfair way to look at it, since I am guessing no other QB has started as many games from 2006-2019 as Rivers, considering Eli was benched in 2019, Roethlisberger has missed probably two seasons worth of games due to injuries, and Brady missed all of 2008.  What other QB has played close to as many games over that 14-year period as those guys?  Drew Brees is probably the only other one. 

Rivers does have the most games over that time span, but his rates are also among the worst. Among those with 5000+ passes in that time frame (n=11), Rivers INT % per pass is third-worst, only better than Eli and Carson Palmer.

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11 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

Sharing facts that provide appropriate context relevant to the common, surface-level narrative is trying too hard? Carry on, then.

You took my initial statement that the Bucs would be replacing a young turnover prone QB with a 38 year old turnover prone QB and showed career totals when it was obvious that I was talking about the 38 year old version of Rivers. When I pointed that out you then split his season into two halves as if it made it better that most of his turnovers came in the second half of the season.

If you want I'll admit that Winston is a total bonehead and Rivers just seems to be in serious decline so their turnovers are not for the same reason but the point remains. At least Winston still has some upside at this point as is capable of making throws and moving around in ways that Rivers is not.

I know you're a tremendous Rivers' homer and that's fine - maybe he does have some juice left. Maybe the nationally televised games were not indictive as to what he has become and those that watched every snap can paint a different picture. But sorry, he looks washed to me - but maybe he gets a chance to show that the "surface-level narrative" is not the reality. We'll see.

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