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Who do you like and why? If Cleveland can get 5 starts out of their top 2, I like them. Discuss.
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They won't though, need to get Jake Westbrook work.If Cleveland can get 5 starts out of their top 2, I like them. Discuss.
wadegarrett said:Indians in 7 of course.
Series begins FridayGame Matchup Day Date Time ET TVGm 1 CLE @ BOS Fri Oct. 12 7 pm FOXGm 2 CLE @ BOS Sat Oct. 13 8 pm FOXGm 3 BOS @ CLE Mon Oct. 15 7 pm FOXGm 4 BOS @ CLE Tue Oct. 16 8 pm FOXGm 5* BOS @ CLE Thu Oct. 18 8 pm FOXGm 6* CLE @ BOS Sat Oct. 20 TBD FOXGm 7* CLE @ BOS Sun Oct. 21 TBD FOX* - if necessary
Sabathia has a rubber arm. I can't think of one other pitcher off the top of my head that I'd recommend it with but Sabathia is a guy who could probably throw 130 pitches in a game.ETA: Fatboy has thrown 100 pitches in 28 of 35 starts and 110 pitches 13 times. He's gone over 100 a total of 146 times in his career.Everyone is always up for pitchers going on three day's rest in the post season, but historically the pitchers that have done so have been mostly terrible. I don't have the numbers handy, but most of the time those guys have gotten lit up.
wadegarrett said:Indians in 7 of course.
I think this series is much closer Red Sox fans would want to admit. Beckett v Sabathia is a push. At this point Carmona v. DiceK has to favor CarmonaI'd take Schilling in both his starts v Westbrook/ByrdWhile the leftover Westbrook/Byrd Game 4 start is about on par with the Lester/Wake level for the Sox. You can go around the diamond too, and player for player they're about equal. Both teams work the count and extend pitchers very effectively. The only real difference between the two teams is the power Ortiz, Manny, and Lowell possess in the heart of the lineup which I think is where the series will be decided. If the Indians don't give up the longball, I think we'll be in for a long series. I'd also be pretty shocked if either team went off their regular 4 man rotation.Indians can pitch Sabathia on three days rest in game four and then bring him back on full rest for a game seven. Carmona would be on full rest pitching in games 2 and 5. Bryd is better on the road and is 3-1 with a 4 ERA in 5 starts at Fenway. They could pitch him in game five I suppose especially if the series was tied or 3-1 Cleveland. Westbrook is much better at the Jake than he is on the road both this year and lifetime. In this case it would make sense to throw him in game three if the Indians are going with a four different starting pitchers in this series which I think they have to. If I were Wedge I'd play it by ear beginning with game three.
wadegarrett said:Indians in 7 of course.
So CC and Carmona combine for 3 losses?sox in 6 beckett wins 2, schilling 1 & dice k 1.
I agree with all your points but wanted to talk about the bolded. Both teams are OBP centered and Cleveland actually hit more HRs as a team this year because they have a lot of really good role players. Guys like Blake, Guiterrez, Peralta, or even Barfield always seem like they come up with big hits at the right time. Plus you have Sizemore who can go 0-4 with a walk, and reach on an error and a fielders choice and then score three runs. I think Victor Martinez is one of the best pure hitters casual baseball fans don't know, and Hafner is a guy that if he gets hot creates a ton of problems each time through the line-up. That said if Manny is hot and the Sox can get someone else like JD Drew to get Big Papi in after he keeps getting walked then that will play to the Sox advantage. I like the CC vs Ortiz match-up though if I'm the Indians and I walk him otherwise. Manny is the key.I think this series is much closer Red Sox fans would want to admit. Beckett v Sabathia is a push.Indians can pitch Sabathia on three days rest in game four and then bring him back on full rest for a game seven. Carmona would be on full rest pitching in games 2 and 5.
Bryd is better on the road and is 3-1 with a 4 ERA in 5 starts at Fenway. They could pitch him in game five I suppose especially if the series was tied or 3-1 Cleveland. Westbrook is much better at the Jake than he is on the road both this year and lifetime. In this case it would make sense to throw him in game three if the Indians are going with a four different starting pitchers in this series which I think they have to. If I were Wedge I'd play it by ear beginning with game three.
At this point Carmona v. DiceK has to favor Carmona
I'd take Schilling in both his starts v Westbrook/Byrd
While the leftover Westbrook/Byrd Game 4 start is about on par with the Lester/Wake level for the Sox.
You can go around the diamond too, and player for player they're about equal. Both teams work the count and extend pitchers very effectively.
The only real difference between the two teams is the power Ortiz, Manny, and Lowell possess in the heart of the lineup which I think is where the series will be decided. If the Indians don't give up the longball, I think we'll be in for a long series.
I'd also be pretty shocked if either team went off their regular 4 man rotation.
Martinez's hit last night was a thing of beauty.I think Victor Martinez is one of the best pure hitters casual baseball fans don't know, and Hafner is a guy that if he gets hot creates a ton of problems each time through the line-up.I think this series is much closer Red Sox fans would want to admit. Beckett v Sabathia is a push.Indians can pitch Sabathia on three days rest in game four and then bring him back on full rest for a game seven. Carmona would be on full rest pitching in games 2 and 5.
Bryd is better on the road and is 3-1 with a 4 ERA in 5 starts at Fenway. They could pitch him in game five I suppose especially if the series was tied or 3-1 Cleveland. Westbrook is much better at the Jake than he is on the road both this year and lifetime. In this case it would make sense to throw him in game three if the Indians are going with a four different starting pitchers in this series which I think they have to. If I were Wedge I'd play it by ear beginning with game three.
At this point Carmona v. DiceK has to favor Carmona
I'd take Schilling in both his starts v Westbrook/Byrd
While the leftover Westbrook/Byrd Game 4 start is about on par with the Lester/Wake level for the Sox.
You can go around the diamond too, and player for player they're about equal. Both teams work the count and extend pitchers very effectively.
The only real difference between the two teams is the power Ortiz, Manny, and Lowell possess in the heart of the lineup which I think is where the series will be decided. If the Indians don't give up the longball, I think we'll be in for a long series.
I'd also be pretty shocked if either team went off their regular 4 man rotation.
That is when it comes on TV... After all of the introductions and pre-game, first pitch probably won't be until 7:30 at the earliest...Is the game on Friday really starting at 7pm? If it were up to fox this thing would start at 8:35 pm and go until 1am. I wonder if MLB had a part in pushing up the start times.
Francona just said it's Beck/Schill/DiceWake throeing a sim game today to see if he's ready, if not lester starts Game 4.The Red Sox have announced their rotation will stay the same...Beck/Dice/Schilledit to add - hard to call the 4th starter...one of either Beck/Wake/Lester
An off day next Wednesday between Games 4 and 5 means the Red Sox could have Josh Beckett pitch in Games 1 and 5, Schilling in Games 2 and 7, Daisuke Matsuzaka in Games 3 and 6 on normal four days’ rest and Tim Wakefield in Game 4.
More reason to root for the Tribe. I just want to see someone different and root for the fans who don't take it for granted. It also may be resistance from the media shoving these large market teams down everyone's throat.' said:Dane Cook is a huge Boston Red Sox fan...
I want to see someone different as well... I am pulling for an Indians/Rockies final, so that there will be a different champion again...More reason to root for the Tribe. I just want to see someone different and root for the fans who don't take it for granted. It also may be resistance from the media shoving these large market teams down everyone's throat.' said:Dane Cook is a huge Boston Red Sox fan...
Vegas doesn't always favor the better team that should be favored. They want the money split 50/50 and more people were going to bet the Yanks whether they were dogs or favs.i was puzzled as to why the yankees were favored last series. the indians have such a dominant 1-2 punch in sabathia and carmona. we haven't seen such a pair of excellent starters on the same club in a long time. usually the teams with the top pitching rise to the top in the playoffs. same deal here. ortiz and manny are great hitters, but this is about pitching. if there is one key to this series, its that realistically, boston will have to beat that duo twice to survive. i don't think they can do it. realistically, the red sox are hoping to split the first two games in boston and then win a brutal dogfight the rest of the series. that's a poor position to be in, home field advantage or not. indians in 6.
You sure about that?edit to add - if you want to consider Manny a .500 slugger, I can understand...that's what his season stats say...but he has been at 0.600 the last 3 seasons and after recovering from injury resembles that 0.600 hitter a lot more then the 0.500 hitter this year...Power numbers are not that far apart to give a major advantage.VMart - 25 / .505Sizemore - 24 / .462Hafner - 24 / .451Ortiz - 35 / .621Lowell - 21 / .501Ramirez - 20 / .493
Was that my whole post?You sure about that?Power numbers are not that far apart to give a major advantage.VMart - 25 / .505Sizemore - 24 / .462Hafner - 24 / .451Ortiz - 35 / .621Lowell - 21 / .501Ramirez - 20 / .493
I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
You're going out on a limb with this one. As an Indians fan, I often cringe when I see JoBo taking the mound for a save opportunity. If the tribe is up by three before JoBo takes the mound, they could very well end up losing by 2. I would rather see Perez and Betancort get moved up a spot and let JoBo take a mid relief role, but I know that will never happen.I also predict that Borowski will end up with a loss for one game this series.
I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
lol, I assume you're joking...Anyway, one thing I noticed was how bad Barfield was for Cle this year...holy ####I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
Barfield won't see the field...Cabrera is the starting 2B now...lol, I assume you're joking...Anyway, one thing I noticed was how bad Barfield was for Cle this year...holy ####I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
Was also surprised at how good Victor has been (outslugging Manny this year)
Last night during the celebration was the first time I remember seeing Barfield on the field for several weeks.Barfield won't see the field...Cabrera is the starting 2B now...lol, I assume you're joking...Anyway, one thing I noticed was how bad Barfield was for Cle this year...holy ####I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
Was also surprised at how good Victor has been (outslugging Manny this year)
Yeah, he's started 3 games in the past month...And none in the postseasonLast night during the celebration was the first time I remember seeing Barfield on the field for several weeks.Barfield won't see the field...Cabrera is the starting 2B now...lol, I assume you're joking...Anyway, one thing I noticed was how bad Barfield was for Cle this year...holy ####I dispute one. Fixed.How about this analysis - let me know if you dispute any of these.
Hitting:
C - Big edge to Cle
1B - Even
2B - Edge to Bos
SS - Edge to Cle
3B - Big Edge to Bos
OF - Even
DH - Big edge to Bos
Overall, Edge to Boston
Was also surprised at how good Victor has been (outslugging Manny this year)