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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

OMG, one documented case of voter fraud. This is worse than Obama raising the gas prices.

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

I need to know the party affiliation of this guy to determine how big a deal this is.

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

OMG, one documented case of voter fraud. This is worse than Obama raising the gas prices.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...since the evil of voter fraud is mostly committed by the lefties.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/09/14/7_examples_that_show_voter_fraud_is_a_huge_problem/page/full

Democrats believe that they benefit from voter fraud; so they oppose any sort of attempt to verify that voters are who they say they are.

They can't admit that; so they use two excuses.

The first is their patronizing and insulting claim that black Americans are so uniquely stupid and incompetent that you can't expect them to get a photo ID like white people do. It's amazing that in 2012, a major political party would make such a racist argument, but the Democrats do.

Their other claim is that voter fraud is so exceedingly rare, so unlikely, such an impossibility that there's no need for any voter identification. According to the Democrats, we can afford to assume that everyone will be honest on Election Day. So, there's no need to take any basic precautions or take any steps to prevent fraud because it just doesn't happen.

Well, to the contrary, voter fraud happens all the time and it does sometimes occur on a level large enough to impact close elections. Furthermore, it undoubtedly happens much more than we realize. After all, if poll workers are prevented by law from asking if people are who they say they are, how often are they going to catch people in the act? Afterwards, when you have disinterested government employees or partisan groups scanning voter data to try to find fraud, it's nearly impossible to look at a spread sheet and determine that person X was really person Y. So, if you don't bother to check for voter ID on the front end, you're probably not going to find it on the back end either. When you consider that a dedicated, well prepared team of say a dozen operatives could literally go from polling place to polling place and cast HUNDREDS of fraudulent votes a day with little chance of being caught, it's not a small issue. That's why we should have some system in place other than the Democrats' touching insistence that we can trust everyone to be honest on Election Day because as you're about to see, that's certainly not the case.

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

OMG, one documented case of voter fraud. This is worse than Obama raising the gas prices.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...since the evil of voter fraud is mostly committed by the lefties.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/09/14/7_examples_that_show_voter_fraud_is_a_huge_problem/page/full

Townhall, that is really a credible source. :lol:

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

OMG, one documented case of voter fraud. This is worse than Obama raising the gas prices.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...since the evil of voter fraud is mostly committed by the lefties.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/09/14/7_examples_that_show_voter_fraud_is_a_huge_problem/page/full

Townhall, that is really a credible source. :lol:

Thank you, Mr See No Evil.

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

Poll workers allowed the man to vote on a provisional ballot, but election officials will have to determine whether the provisional ballot can be counted.

So the way to stop fraud is to not count legitimate voters' votes.

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Donna Brazile: 'Voter fraud is a big ### lie'

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml

According to the Rio Arriba County Clerk's office, a voter trying to cast an early ballot in Espanola Saturday was told he had already voted three days prior.

The man told poll workers he hadn't voted. He was then shown the signature of the voter, but he says it wasn't his signature.

Officials say they were able to confirm that the signature on the original ballot did not match the legal voter's signature on file.

Poll workers allowed the man to vote on a provisional ballot, but election officials will have to determine whether the provisional ballot can be counted.

So the way to stop fraud is to not count legitimate voters' votes.

Not a single soul is making this argument.

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The Dems even have postal workers helping them cheat.

http://townhall.com/watchdog/wisconsin/2014/11/02/gop-political-mail-carrier-n6523

Mail carrier investigated over allegations of dumping GOP political mailers

If I could pay my mail carrier to dump all political mailers, I would...in a heartbeat :shrug:

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For those of you who might mistakenly still be on the voter rolls for a previous residence:

How do you know that somebody else isn't using that registration to cast a ballot?

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For those of you who might mistakenly still be on the voter rolls for a previous residence:

How do you know that somebody else isn't using that registration to cast a ballot?

OMG

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For those of you who might mistakenly still be on the voter rolls for a previous residence:

How do you know that somebody else isn't using that registration to cast a ballot?

Really? What do you think the chances of that are?

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Yet more voting machine irregularities...

Ten voting machines taken out of service in Anne Arundel County
Baltimore Sun; Updated at 4:46 pm

As voters across the state report voting machine irregularities this Election Day, ten machines have been taken out of service in Anne Arundel County.

A handful of voters who contacted The Capital Tuesday said their votes were flipped from Republican candidates to Democrats. Another voter said his vote on a ballot question was switched.

Donna Duncan, Maryland Board of Elections assistant deputy for election policy, said 34 reports of faulty voting machines had been filed statewide by early afternoon.

Fifteen machines were taken out of service across the state, including the 10 in Anne Arundel County as of 4:40 p.m. There are 17,000 voting machines across the state, said Linda Lamone, the state administrator with the Board of Elections. The machines could be malfunctioning for a variety of reasons, she said.

"We've had absolutely no reports that someone wasn't able to fix their ballots," she said.

A breakdown of precincts in the county wasn't available, but at least one was taken offline at Annapolis High School after voting irregularities were reported Tuesday morning.

Elections officials were keeping a close eye on another machine at the polling place at 2700 Riva Road, said county election director Joe Torre.

It's something the state Republican party will continue to look at, said Ross Turlington, a communications and field coordinator at the Annapolis office. There have been a handful of calls to report the error in the machines, he said. That being said, it's not concentrated in a particular area.

"We've had calls from Washington County, down to the shore, to Charles County," he said.

Annapolis resident Raymond G. Boileau said his vote on a ballot issue switched at the Annapolis High School site. He said he tried to fix it, but the problem repeated itself a half-dozen more times.

An election official also tried his hand at the machine, but the problem persisted, Boileau said. He went back to the site later and saw the machine had been taken out of service. Still, it's concerning, he said. "These are faulty machines out there."

Tiffany O'Donnell, 52, of Annapolis, a registered Republican, said she attempted to cast her vote at the high school for Larry Hogan for governor, only to have the machine check the box for Democrat Anthony Brown.

Although she was able to change her vote back, the same problem continued to occur as she shuffled through the screens, she said.

"I didn't think a whole lot of it - I just thought it was odd," O'Donnell said.

O'Donnell said she reported the complaint to an election official who attributed the problem to her fingernails.

As she and her husband were leaving the polling place they ran into another woman who reported a similar problem.

Torre said election officials have received other complaints about voting irregularities throughout the county. Problems started during early voting.

Rosalie Dunn of Riva said she had a faulty machine while voting early last Tuesday at Edgewater Community Library. Dunn attempted to vote for Hogan, but instead her final ballot showed a vote for Brown.

The Riva woman said she was “flabbergasted” because she remembered being very careful while using the touch-screen system.

Dunn went back to change her vote, she said, and it again switched from Hogan to Brown. She said she fixed it and made sure her vote was correct before submitting her ballot. But Dunn said her problems didn't stop there.

When she called the Maryland Board of Elections voting hotline, she said the woman who answered the phone had trouble understanding the problem. Ultimately the call was disconnected.

“She sounded like she got very flustered with me and hung up,” Dunn said.

Dunn has since sent an email to county and state election officials to notify them of her problem. She wonders how many other people had their votes switched but didn't notice.

“If I was really in a hurry I probably wouldn't have caught it,” she said. “It bothers me that some people who aren't comfortable with electronics or who didn't double check it might not have caught it.”

Voting machine problems also were reported last week in Severna Park.

Voters who have experienced problems can call the Maryland Board of Elections voter hotline at 1-800-222-8683.

At least we now know what Joe Torre was doing this election day.

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I'm not sure if this is fraud or just sheer stupidity...

Ex-Charlotte mayor, a convicted felon, votes in violation of bond

Former Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon was stripped of his right to vote in October when he was sentenced to 44 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to felony corruption charges. But just over two weeks later, Cannon cast a ballot in North Carolina's midterm elections. And the vote, a violation of Cannon's bond, has again landed the former mayor in hot water.

"Let's cut to the chase: He shouldn't have done that, and we're going to talk to him tomorrow," Greg Forrest, chief of the U.S. Probation Office in Charlotte, told the Charlotte Observer on Tuesday.

Forrest said he would report the violation to the same judge who handed down Cannon's sentence in mid-October and allowed him to remain free on bond until he enters prison.

As a consequence of the vote, U.S. District Court Judge Frank Whitney could order Cannon's immediate imprisonment, according to Forrest.

Records with the Mecklenburg Board of Elections show that Cannon and his wife Trenna cast ballots on October 30. Those records also indicate that Cannon remains an active voter in the county. The Mecklenburg elections supervisor, Michael Dickerson, told the Observer that he cannot strip a felon's name from the voter rolls until he receives the go-ahead the from U.S. Attorney's Office, and he has not yet received any notice regarding Cannon.

Cannon was arrested in March following an FBI corruption investigation. He pleaded guilty to accepting more than $50,000 in bribes from a Charlotte strip club owner and FBI agents posing undercover, according to the Observer.

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For those of you who might mistakenly still be on the voter rolls for a previous residence:

How do you know that somebody else isn't using that registration to cast a ballot?

Really? What do you think the chances of that are?

Do you lock your house and your car? There's probably a slim chance you'll get robbed....

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Yet more voting machine irregularities...

Ten voting machines taken out of service in Anne Arundel County
Baltimore Sun; Updated at 4:46 pm

As voters across the state report voting machine irregularities this Election Day, ten machines have been taken out of service in Anne Arundel County.

A handful of voters who contacted The Capital Tuesday said their votes were flipped from Republican candidates to Democrats. Another voter said his vote on a ballot question was switched.

Donna Duncan, Maryland Board of Elections assistant deputy for election policy, said 34 reports of faulty voting machines had been filed statewide by early afternoon.

Fifteen machines were taken out of service across the state, including the 10 in Anne Arundel County as of 4:40 p.m. There are 17,000 voting machines across the state, said Linda Lamone, the state administrator with the Board of Elections. The machines could be malfunctioning for a variety of reasons, she said.

"We've had absolutely no reports that someone wasn't able to fix their ballots," she said.

A breakdown of precincts in the county wasn't available, but at least one was taken offline at Annapolis High School after voting irregularities were reported Tuesday morning.

Elections officials were keeping a close eye on another machine at the polling place at 2700 Riva Road, said county election director Joe Torre.

It's something the state Republican party will continue to look at, said Ross Turlington, a communications and field coordinator at the Annapolis office. There have been a handful of calls to report the error in the machines, he said. That being said, it's not concentrated in a particular area.

"We've had calls from Washington County, down to the shore, to Charles County," he said.

Annapolis resident Raymond G. Boileau said his vote on a ballot issue switched at the Annapolis High School site. He said he tried to fix it, but the problem repeated itself a half-dozen more times.

An election official also tried his hand at the machine, but the problem persisted, Boileau said. He went back to the site later and saw the machine had been taken out of service. Still, it's concerning, he said. "These are faulty machines out there."

Tiffany O'Donnell, 52, of Annapolis, a registered Republican, said she attempted to cast her vote at the high school for Larry Hogan for governor, only to have the machine check the box for Democrat Anthony Brown.

Although she was able to change her vote back, the same problem continued to occur as she shuffled through the screens, she said.

"I didn't think a whole lot of it - I just thought it was odd," O'Donnell said.

O'Donnell said she reported the complaint to an election official who attributed the problem to her fingernails.

As she and her husband were leaving the polling place they ran into another woman who reported a similar problem.

Torre said election officials have received other complaints about voting irregularities throughout the county. Problems started during early voting.

Rosalie Dunn of Riva said she had a faulty machine while voting early last Tuesday at Edgewater Community Library. Dunn attempted to vote for Hogan, but instead her final ballot showed a vote for Brown.

The Riva woman said she was “flabbergasted” because she remembered being very careful while using the touch-screen system.

Dunn went back to change her vote, she said, and it again switched from Hogan to Brown. She said she fixed it and made sure her vote was correct before submitting her ballot. But Dunn said her problems didn't stop there.

When she called the Maryland Board of Elections voting hotline, she said the woman who answered the phone had trouble understanding the problem. Ultimately the call was disconnected.

“She sounded like she got very flustered with me and hung up,” Dunn said.

Dunn has since sent an email to county and state election officials to notify them of her problem. She wonders how many other people had their votes switched but didn't notice.

“If I was really in a hurry I probably wouldn't have caught it,” she said. “It bothers me that some people who aren't comfortable with electronics or who didn't double check it might not have caught it.”

Voting machine problems also were reported last week in Severna Park.

Voters who have experienced problems can call the Maryland Board of Elections voter hotline at 1-800-222-8683.

At least we now know what Joe Torre was doing this election day.

Interesting how in VA the same mistake occurring in 43 different precincts, some coincidence.

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

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I'm quite confident that I would not. I have no real preference, as a matter of principle, for Democrats over Republicans or vice versa, and my initial instinct (while realizing that voter ID laws are good for Republicans and bad for Democrats) was to support voter ID laws. I changed my mind based on evidence that, in present-day America, lack of access to qualifying ID is a much bigger problem, numerically, than is voter fraud. My bias is in favor of increasing legitimate voter turnout regardless of whether the marginal votes are largely from a demographic skewed toward D's or R's, and even regardless of whether they are from a demographic skewed toward ignorance. (I understand that not everyone shares that bias.)

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

question for everyone in the thread

I'm quite confident that I would not. I have no real preference, as a matter of principle, for Democrats over Republicans or vice versa, and my initial instinct (while realizing that voter ID laws are good for Republicans and bad for Democrats) was to support voter ID laws. I changed my mind based on evidence that, in present-day America, lack of access to qualifying ID is a much bigger problem, numerically, than is voter fraud. My bias is in favor of increasing legitimate voter turnout regardless of whether the marginal votes are largely from a demographic skewed toward D's or R's, and even regardless of whether they are from a demographic skewed toward ignorance. (I understand that not everyone shares that bias.)

What are legit reasons for not having ID?

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

question for everyone in the thread

I'm quite confident that I would not. I have no real preference, as a matter of principle, for Democrats over Republicans or vice versa, and my initial instinct (while realizing that voter ID laws are good for Republicans and bad for Democrats) was to support voter ID laws. I changed my mind based on evidence that, in present-day America, lack of access to qualifying ID is a much bigger problem, numerically, than is voter fraud. My bias is in favor of increasing legitimate voter turnout regardless of whether the marginal votes are largely from a demographic skewed toward D's or R's, and even regardless of whether they are from a demographic skewed toward ignorance. (I understand that not everyone shares that bias.)

This is the only part that I disagree with. The partisan impact is completely irrelevant to me, If somebody proposed a voting requirement that somehow screened out people who believe in young earth creationism or who disputed global warming, that wouldn't bother me either. Both parties have their share of low- or negative-information voters.

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

question for everyone in the thread

I wouldn't change either. I want a safe, secure, and stable voting system that closes known exploitable flaws before someone uses them to nefarious advantage, as they are impossible to correct after. (If a method for correcting a flawed election after the fact existed, I would not be as opposed to a lax voting system).

(Ideally, everyone legally allowed should be able to vote easily. Everyone who is not allowed should be turned away quickly. Everyone should be able to look up, after the election, their own ballot to verify that it was counted and counted correctly. And that process should have some sort of one-way encryption that prevents others from seeing how one voted... i.e., preserves the integrity of the idea of a 'secret ballot'.)

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Looks like some pretty concerted and widespread efforts to keep people from voting. Giving fraudulent information to thousands of election judges, 3 states losing access to voter registration databases, forcing people to vote by provisional ballot instead of regular ballot, mechanical failures in Broward County FL again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-11-04/your-guide-to-2014-midterm-election-voting-problems

Upwards of 2,000 election judges in Chicago didn't show up to their polling places after receiving "malicious" robo-calls giving out erroneous information, the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners said. The board had planned for 10,000 election judges to be assigned for Tuesday's election, and an unprecedented number didn't show up.


Georgia: Website Issues
Hundreds of voters called to complain about problems accessing their registration status and finding their polling place using the Secretary of State's website.


Colorado: Network Crashes

The Statewide Colorado Registration and Election system, SCORE for short, failed in a big way on Election Day. The computer system, which verifies the eligibility of those requesting ballots, was inoperable multiple times following a state Internet outage. While workers switched to a different network and were able to restore service, officials in the state were forced to take SCORE offline again in the afternoon for approximately 20 minutes to try and fix a "networking connection."

The upshot for voters: Many had to fill out provisional ballots and their eligibility will be checked later.


Texas: Another Crash

Shortly after polls opened in the Lone Star state, officials e-mailed counties to inform them that the statewide voter registration system was down. As a result, poll workers were not able to access about voters' registration and eligibility, forcing many people to fill out provisional ballots.

“If our Judges cannot find a voter in their pollbooks, they are advised to call Voter Registration,” Janice Evans, elections director for Brazoria County, told MSNBC. “With the State TEAM System down, Voter Registration cannot look at all the voters in Brazoria County and try and find a person they may not be in the pollbooks. The judge will have to vote the voters provisionally which takes extra time."

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Looks like some pretty concerted and widespread efforts to keep people from voting. Giving fraudulent information to thousands of election judges, 3 states losing access to voter registration databases, forcing people to vote by provisional ballot instead of regular ballot, mechanical failures in Broward County FL again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-11-04/your-guide-to-2014-midterm-election-voting-problems

except none of those incidents you posted look to any reasonable person like an attempt at suppression. The incident in Chicago looks like it has the potential to facilitate fraud. Of course you left out one incident from your link where R votes magically changed to D....

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

question for everyone in the thread

I'm quite confident that I would not. I have no real preference, as a matter of principle, for Democrats over Republicans or vice versa, and my initial instinct (while realizing that voter ID laws are good for Republicans and bad for Democrats) was to support voter ID laws. I changed my mind based on evidence that, in present-day America, lack of access to qualifying ID is a much bigger problem, numerically, than is voter fraud. My bias is in favor of increasing legitimate voter turnout regardless of whether the marginal votes are largely from a demographic skewed toward D's or R's, and even regardless of whether they are from a demographic skewed toward ignorance. (I understand that not everyone shares that bias.)

I feel we would be better off as a society if all of the effort and money spent on trying to stop checks and balances was spent getting citizens proper ID.

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Looks like some pretty concerted and widespread efforts to keep people from voting. Giving fraudulent information to thousands of election judges, 3 states losing access to voter registration databases, forcing people to vote by provisional ballot instead of regular ballot, mechanical failures in Broward County FL again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-11-04/your-guide-to-2014-midterm-election-voting-problems

except none of those incidents you posted look to any reasonable person like an attempt at suppression. The incident in Chicago looks like it has the potential to facilitate fraud. Of course you left out one incident from your link where R votes magically changed to D....

So a robocall to keep thousands of election judges away from polling places is just an accident, but votes changed from R to D is fraud. Thank you for clarifying your view.

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Looks like some pretty concerted and widespread efforts to keep people from voting. Giving fraudulent information to thousands of election judges, 3 states losing access to voter registration databases, forcing people to vote by provisional ballot instead of regular ballot, mechanical failures in Broward County FL again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-11-04/your-guide-to-2014-midterm-election-voting-problems

except none of those incidents you posted look to any reasonable person like an attempt at suppression. The incident in Chicago looks like it has the potential to facilitate fraud. Of course you left out one incident from your link where R votes magically changed to D....

So a robocall to keep thousands of election judges away from polling places is just an accident, but votes changed from R to D is fraud. Thank you for clarifying your view.

As stated. the robocall is not suppression, but is probably an attempt to perpetrate fraud. I would expect nothing less in Chicago....

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Lake County Illinois Clerk trying to keep voters from voting.

Attorney General Lisa Madigan today filed two complaints alleging Lake County Clerk Willard Helander is illegally interpreting the requirements of the Illinois Election Code. The Circuit Court has so far ruled on one complaint, granting Madigan’s request for a restraining order to bar the county election official from depriving voters of their right to cast a regular ballot on election day.

“The Lake County Clerk is failing to follow the law,” said Attorney General Madigan. “These illegal practices risk disenfranchising voters throughout the county. I have asked the court to act immediately to protect Lake County residents’ right to have their vote be counted.”

In one complaint filed this morning in Lake County Circuit Court, Attorney General Madigan alleged Helander is violating state election law by engaging in two illegal practices that are effectively barring voters who previously requested absentee ballots but who now want to vote in person from casting a regular ballot.


This afternoon, Judge Mitchell L. Hoffman ruled in favor of Madigan’s first complaint, issuing a temporary restraining order barring Helander from enforcing these illegal practices.

In a second complaint, Madigan also alleges Helander failed to comply with state election law allowing Illinois residents to register and then vote during a grace period that includes Election Day, Nov. 4, when polls are open from 6 a.m. until 7 p.m. The Lake County Clerk’s website notes grace period registration locations on Election Day are open from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m., in violation of state law that requires the polls to open at 6 a.m., according to Madigan’s complaint. As part of the complaint, Madigan also submitted the affidavit of a Lake County voter who attempted to register before 10 a.m. at the Lake County Courthouse in Waukegan but was prohibited from doing so.

The court is expected to hear this case this afternoon.


Willard Helander is a Republican, who doesn't like new voting laws and isn't running for re-election.

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For the life of me I can't figure out who might want to keep down vote totals in Chicago. It's not like voting there usually favors one party.

The opening of some polling places was complicated because as many as 200 election judges did not show up Tuesday morning, an unusually high number, according to Neal.

All available backup judges were moved into place, though, and in some cases voters were sworn in as judges so that polling places could open. Some polling places didn't open on time at 6 a.m. because of the glitches, but all city polling locations were open by 7 a.m., said Chicago election board spokesman Jim Allen.

A few hundred voters were inconvenienced, Allen said, and the board is prepared to keep some polling places open late if voters were not able to cast ballots.

Neal said the number of no-show judges is usually fewer than 50, and he attributed the higher number to what he has described as malicious automated phone calls that went out over the weekend to some judges, falsely informing them they needed more training in order to qualify to work on Tuesday. Neal said officials are trying to determine who is responsible for the calls.

http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/local/ct-illinois-election-day-met-1104-20141103,0,7307736.story

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Hey Georgia residents, do you want to look up the location of your polling place on the state’s elections website, “My Voter Page?” Well, that’s too damn bad, because the website was down much of the day, starting sometime early this morning. In yet another example of Election Day shenanigans that look an awful lot like voter suppression, the state’s “technical difficulties” are making it difficult for people to even figure out where to go to vote.

Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s office is responsible for maintaining the website. Earlier this year he was quoted saying that the job of Republicans in this election is to block Democratic efforts to get out the black and Latino vote. His office also lost 40,000 voter registration forms, primarily from black neighborhoods.

http://bluenationreview.com/even-georgia-voter-suppression/

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Arkansas election officials are reportedly asking for photo ID when they're not allowed to.

A steady stream of complaints continue from voters who say election officials around Arkansas demanded a photo ID before they could vote today. Make your complaints known so it can be corrected.

The law requires election officials to ask your identity — name, age address. But they may NOT require a photo ID. That's unconstitutional.

But still reports come in that high-handed officials are requiring the photo ID and performing checks of driver licenses against voter books, which also is not allowed. This is not universal at all polls. Some have gotten the word.

But particularly unsettling was a report from Saline County of a voter denied a ballot when an ID wasn't produced and an election worker who reportedly said that poll was acting on advice from the secretary of state's office that it was up to counties if they wanted to demand an ID. That is NOT the law.

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Arkansas election officials are reportedly asking for photo ID when they're not allowed to.

A steady stream of complaints continue from voters who say election officials around Arkansas demanded a photo ID before they could vote today. Make your complaints known so it can be corrected.

The law requires election officials to ask your identity — name, age address. But they may NOT require a photo ID. That's unconstitutional.

But still reports come in that high-handed officials are requiring the photo ID and performing checks of driver licenses against voter books, which also is not allowed. This is not universal at all polls. Some have gotten the word.

But particularly unsettling was a report from Saline County of a voter denied a ballot when an ID wasn't produced and an election worker who reportedly said that poll was acting on advice from the secretary of state's office that it was up to counties if they wanted to demand an ID. That is NOT the law.

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I'm firmly of the opinion that almost everybody would switch sides tomorrow if voter ID laws skewed the electorate slightly the other way.

Would you?

question for everyone in the thread

I'm quite confident that I would not. I have no real preference, as a matter of principle, for Democrats over Republicans or vice versa, and my initial instinct (while realizing that voter ID laws are good for Republicans and bad for Democrats) was to support voter ID laws. I changed my mind based on evidence that, in present-day America, lack of access to qualifying ID is a much bigger problem, numerically, than is voter fraud. My bias is in favor of increasing legitimate voter turnout regardless of whether the marginal votes are largely from a demographic skewed toward D's or R's, and even regardless of whether they are from a demographic skewed toward ignorance. (I understand that not everyone shares that bias.)

What are legit reasons for not having ID?

There are a bunch of legitimate reasons. Laziness is a perfectly good reason, and is probably the most common.

A lot of people don't need qualifying picture IDs in their everyday lives. They opened a bank account many years ago. They no longer drive. They no longer get carded in restaurants or bars. When they fly, they show other forms of ID.

Pretty much the only reason they'd need a picture ID is to vote, and getting one for that purpose just isn't worth the trouble. Voting already takes more time than it's worth even for people with first-rate IDs. Adding an extra hurdle is moving things in the wrong direction. We should be making it less burdensome to vote, not more.

Don't get me wrong. It's no great injustice that people can't vote if they're too lazy to get an ID. But just because something isn't a great injustice doesn't mean that it is ideal. I don't think it's ideal to prevent lazy people from voting. I think increasing voter turnout, including turnout by lazy people, is a good way to induce politicians to take more moderate stances on issues. (I'll save my reasoning for another time.)

There are other reasons besides laziness, though. Some people no longer have their birth certificate, which they need to get a license, and the office they need to go to in order to replace their birth certificate is open only during their work hours and is all the way across town, and they can't drive to it (what with having no license and all). Even if they can afford public transportation, not everyone can get a day off of work to deal with this stuff.

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For the life of me I can't figure out who might want to keep down vote totals in Chicago. It's not like voting there usually favors one party.

The opening of some polling places was complicated because as many as 200 election judges did not show up Tuesday morning, an unusually high number, according to Neal.

All available backup judges were moved into place, though, and in some cases voters were sworn in as judges so that polling places could open. Some polling places didn't open on time at 6 a.m. because of the glitches, but all city polling locations were open by 7 a.m., said Chicago election board spokesman Jim Allen.

A few hundred voters were inconvenienced, Allen said, and the board is prepared to keep some polling places open late if voters were not able to cast ballots.

Neal said the number of no-show judges is usually fewer than 50, and he attributed the higher number to what he has described as malicious automated phone calls that went out over the weekend to some judges, falsely informing them they needed more training in order to qualify to work on Tuesday. Neal said officials are trying to determine who is responsible for the calls.

http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/local/ct-illinois-election-day-met-1104-20141103,0,7307736.story

:rolleyes:

Where's your post on the IL Dems putting in a same day voter registration rule that just came out of the blue (that only applies to this year when Quinn was having trouble)?

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On 9/26/2016 at 6:04 PM, Statorama said:

Funny thing...when you go looking for voter fraud you find things like The dead are voting in Colorado

 

Forget the dead voting, right now we're seeing the dead registering to vote. New names are being added to the voter rolls in swing states that have been dead for years. And people still deny vote fraud happens.

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Just now, Walking Boot said:

 

Forget the dead voting, right now we're seeing the dead registering to vote. New names are being added to the voter rolls in swing states that have been dead for years. And people still deny vote fraud happens.

If you have proof, I would report it.  Seems some one would be interested.

Do the dead vote R or D, I'm sure it will make a difference in weather it is investigated.

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3 minutes ago, abbottjamesr said:

If you have proof, I would report it.  Seems some one would be interested.

Do the dead vote R or D, I'm sure it will make a difference in weather it is investigated.

It's in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, but you probably won't see much coverage of it in the major media, being that one party relies on fraud, and the media wants that party to win.

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1 minute ago, Walking Boot said:

It's in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, but you probably won't see much coverage of it in the major media, being that one party relies on fraud, and the media wants that party to win.

Why don't the feds take an interest in this?  We don't have to rely on the media to stop crime.

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1 minute ago, abbottjamesr said:

Why don't the feds take an interest in this?  We don't have to rely on the media to stop crime.

 

The same feds that decided Hillary's email server wasn't a crime, even though they admitted it was a crime, because she did it and she's a nice person so it's OK?

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6 hours ago, abbottjamesr said:

Why don't the feds take an interest in this?  We don't have to rely on the media to stop crime.

For the same reason tons of other crimes arent investigated or prosecuted. They dont want to.

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7 hours ago, abbottjamesr said:

Why don't the feds take an interest in this?  We don't have to rely on the media to stop crime.

It's probably prioritized like a lot of crime... There's the usual murder, burglary, larceny, arson stuff where there are clearly-identifiable victims.  Then there's the white-collar crime where thousands of people can lose everything they've worked their entire lives for.  There's identity theft all the time where real people suffer.   There are people under the influence of drugs or carrying some weed they're going to smoke later.  Then there's a guy registering 19 non-existent voters somewhere in W Va.

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They did a huge republican congressional investigation into all this. And then they buried their results.

Since we are playing the tinfoil-hat game... why would the republicans bury the results?  You don't have to think to hard to understand the damning implications.

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On 11/4/2014 at 6:53 PM, Walking Boot said:

I wouldn't change either. I want a safe, secure, and stable voting system that closes known exploitable flaws before someone uses them to nefarious advantage, as they are impossible to correct after. (If a method for correcting a flawed election after the fact existed, I would not be as opposed to a lax voting system).

(Ideally, everyone legally allowed should be able to vote easily. Everyone who is not allowed should be turned away quickly. Everyone should be able to look up, after the election, their own ballot to verify that it was counted and counted correctly. And that process should have some sort of one-way encryption that prevents others from seeing how one voted... i.e., preserves the integrity of the idea of a 'secret ballot'.)

Very well stated.  This is the camp I'm in.

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I got my dog registered, but right now he's leaning Trump :rant:

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On 9/30/2016 at 11:38 AM, abbottjamesr said:

If you have proof, I would report it.  Seems some one would be interested.

Do the dead vote R or D, I'm sure it will make a difference in weather it is investigated.

 

Turns out it was a guy working for the Young Democrats as part of a Dem party registration drive.

Shocking.

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1000 illegal non-resident voters just discovered registered in Virginia, a potential swing state, in a review of only 8 localities. 125 were not checked. Virginia does not require proof of citizenship to register to vote.

 

Media: :yawn:

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1 minute ago, Walking Boot said:

1000 illegal non-resident voters just discovered registered in Virginia, a potential swing state, in a review of only 8 localities. 125 were not checked. Virginia does not require proof of citizenship to register to vote.

 

Media: :yawn:

Democrats were registering dead people in Harrisonburg the other day.  I put a link somewhere in that disaster of a thread about Hillary.

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10 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

1000 illegal non-resident voters just discovered registered in Virginia, a potential swing state, in a review of only 8 localities. 125 were not checked. Virginia does not require proof of citizenship to register to vote.

 

Media: :yawn:

Huh - The D mntra has always been that any voter fraud occurring is at a minuscule scale that would never amount to anything that could affect an election.   I'm sure the (extrapolated) 15,000 votes in Virginia aren't a big deal.  After all, we've never seen a state be determined by that small of a margin in the modern era.  

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