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How much Voter Fraud is Happening (2 Viewers)
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pantagrapher
Footballguy
Orange Crush
Footballguy
Ok, I'll admit -- that one looks very suspicious. The person who intentionally discarded the absentee ballot application but ended up having an absentee ballot cast in her name anyway, preventing her from casting her real vote, is direct evidence of voter fraud and casts suspicion on the entire operation. There is no reason for absentee ballots to be directed anywhere other than the individual voter and the state government agency administering the election.
Statorama
gangster
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
The incident at the Rand Paul rally earlier in the week with an a women getting stomped and held down by a tea partier is a bad harbinger.
I am sure groups like the black panthers are looking forward to paying it back in kind come Tuesday.
I am sure groups like the black panthers are looking forward to paying it back in kind come Tuesday.
Statorama
gangster
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Parrothead
Footballguy
was the "stomping" done to prevent her to vote?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
It was suppression by the tea party against a dissenting voice.Intimidation works both ways.
Parrothead
Footballguy
you didn't answer me.. was she denied access to vote??
Statorama
gangster
They better remember that many of the people excited to vote on Tuesday are strong proponents of the second amendment. Just sayin.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
I am very sure they are aware of it and love the second amendment themselves.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Did I say she was denied the right to vote?
Parrothead
Footballguy
then why did you post it in the VOTER FRAUD thread?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
I other words no I didn't.
Parrothead
Footballguy
so, you are saying that in response to the "stomp", where NO VOTER FRAUD occured, the black panthers WILL commit voter fraud..at least you are honest
Parrothead
Footballguy
was she voting?
Parrothead
Footballguy
wow- that is a very demeaning thing to say- you are assuming that the black guys working the polls on election day are packing heat looking to shoot whitey.. way to stereotype..
Parrothead
Footballguy
seriously??
You think she will be sitting this one out Tuesday? 
So, she was not denied her right to vote, and NO voter fraud occurred.. see how easy that was?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
So what you are saying is the tea party can use strong arm tactics to intimidate people, but you think they are not going to respond EXCEPT in a the way that you want them too.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
wow- that is a very demeaning thing for Statorama to say I mean to classify tea partiers as second amendment advocates - I wonder if they all have gun racks and rebel flags on their pickups.
Parrothead
Footballguy
again- where was the voter fraud by the T.E.A party people? The woman was not denied her vote- yet, you assume the black panthers WILL intimidate and deny voters their right...So what you are saying is the tea party can use strong arm tactics to intimidate people, but you think they are not going to respond EXCEPT in a the way that you want them too.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Someone needs to keep track. What do we have, ~40 individuals actually charged with voter fraud since this thread started?
Parrothead
Footballguy
how can it be voter intimidation when she wasn't there to vote?
Parrothead
Footballguy
Statorama
gangster
Those are the only ones that were stupid enough to be CAUGHTIt's just an indication that voter fraud is rampant, and coincidentally only seems to favor Democrats.
Statorama
gangster
I can accept that.I do predict a very violent confrontation if the Black Panthers try their shenanigans this election cycle. Just like United 93, a group of virtuous people will do what they need to do when faced with terrorists.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I always enjoy your well-sourced assertions, State
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
I thought it was easy as well but obviously parrot and his ilk needed it drawn out for them.The real shocker is going to be when something like this does happen the right will act it is a brand new thing.
The rhetoric and intimidation of the past should have been forgotten.
If you ##### us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge? -William Shakespeare
Parrothead
Footballguy
*sigh*TGIF
Please, tell me how it is voter intimidation, if she was not there to vote? You moonbats are awesome, by the way
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
We already explained it to you more then once.*sigh*TGIF
Please, tell me how it is voter intimidation, if she was not there to vote? You moonbats are awesome, by the way
Parrothead
Footballguy
no you didn't.. yes or no- WAS SHE THERE TO VOTE? yes or no pleaseWe already explained it to you more then once.*sigh*TGIF
Please, tell me how it is voter intimidation, if she was not there to vote? You moonbats are awesome, by the way
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Sorry but using caps does not work.We gave you the answer.no you didn't.. yes or no- WAS SHE THERE TO VOTE? yes or no pleaseWe already explained it to you more then once.*sigh*TGIFPlease, tell me how it is voter intimidation, if she was not there to vote? You moonbats are awesome, by the way
Statorama
gangster
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GrandpaRox
Footballguy
We will see how good the Democatic fraud machine is, when Harry Reid gets re-elected.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
McDonalds will pull the license on that restaurant or at least should.
videoguy505
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Pretty much sums the situation up well.-QG
Chaka
Footballguy
The way we are currently headed the United States is going to collapse within most of our lifetime and it seems that all people care about is trying to put themselves into position to blame the other side.
Is anyone willing to table personal and party agendas for the purpose of fixing the actual problems we face?
Is anyone willing to table personal and party agendas for the purpose of fixing the actual problems we face?
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Parrothead
Footballguy
I won't hold my breath for the outrage..
change the democrat to republican, you would need an army of janitors to clean up head splatter after all of the explosions from our friends on the left..
Orange Crush
Footballguy
According to Minnesota state election law (specifically 204C.15(1)) -- A voter in need of assistance may alternatively obtain the assistance of any individual the voter chooses. Only the following persons may not provide assistance to a voter: the voter’s employer, an agent of the voter’s employer, an officer or agent of the voter’s union, or a candidate for election. The person who assists the voter shall, unaccompanied by an election judge, retire with that voter to a booth and mark the ballot as directed by the voter. No person who assists another voter as provided in the preceding sentence shall mark the ballots of more than three voters at one election. ... An election judge or other individual assisting a voter shall not in any manner request, persuade, induce, or attempt to persuade or induce the voter to vote for any particular political party or candidate. It's very possible that every single one of those people have not had their right to vote removed and are registered to vote. And if they tell the person with them that they want to vote for all the Democrats, then the helper can do that for them. And that's a call to be made by the election official. But if the group supervisor has concocted this group outing for his own reasons, then that is voter fraud.I won't hold my breath for the outrage..change the democrat to republican, you would need an army of janitors to clean up head splatter after all of the explosions from our friends on the left..
In most states, election officials can ban a helper if (s)he thinks the helper is overriding the will of the voter and directing who the voter shall cast their ballot. Minnesota law has that as a provision, but appears to deny the officials the ability to detect that activity, so far as I can tell. Apparently, the helper can only override the will of three voters at a time, and that's the main limit placed on him (which may have been disregarded here).
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
LINKOrange Crush said:According to Minnesota state election law (specifically 204C.15(1)) -- A voter in need of assistance may alternatively obtain the assistance of any individual the voter chooses. Only the following persons may not provide assistance to a voter: the voter’s employer, an agent of the voter’s employer, an officer or agent of the voter’s union, or a candidate for election. The person who assists the voter shall, unaccompanied by an election judge, retire with that voter to a booth and mark the ballot as directed by the voter. No person who assists another voter as provided in the preceding sentence shall mark the ballots of more than three voters at one election. ... An election judge or other individual assisting a voter shall not in any manner request, persuade, induce, or attempt to persuade or induce the voter to vote for any particular political party or candidate. It's very possible that every single one of those people have not had their right to vote removed and are registered to vote. And if they tell the person with them that they want to vote for all the Democrats, then the helper can do that for them. And that's a call to be made by the election official. But if the group supervisor has concocted this group outing for his own reasons, then that is voter fraud.Parrothead said:I won't hold my breath for the outrage..videoguy505 said:change the democrat to republican, you would need an army of janitors to clean up head splatter after all of the explosions from our friends on the left..
In most states, election officials can ban a helper if (s)he thinks the helper is overriding the will of the voter and directing who the voter shall cast their ballot. Minnesota law has that as a provision, but appears to deny the officials the ability to detect that activity, so far as I can tell. Apparently, the helper can only override the will of three voters at a time, and that's the main limit placed on him (which may have been disregarded here).
Minnesota Majority, one of the groups behind the anti-voter fraud initiative in the state called "Election Integrity Watch," told supporters in an e-mail last night to go ahead and wear their "Please I.D. Me" buttons and Tea Party apparel to the polls today despite a federal judge's ruling yesterday that such items would interfere with the elections process.
The e-mail said that anti-voter fraud advocates will "have a decision to make" if an election judge questions the items they are wearing. "You can simply remove or cover the challenged item and you'll be allowed to vote, or you can refuse and demand your right to vote and the election judge will allow you to vote, while also recording your name and you could be charged with a petty misdemeanor," says the e-mail.
On Monday, a federal judge ruled that the "Please I.D. Me" buttons being distributed by the anti-voter fraud coalition "are designed to affect the actual voting process at the polls by intimating that voters are required to show identification before voting." Judge Joan Ericksen added that "This intimation could confuse voters and election officials and cause voters to refrain from voting because of increased delays or the misapprehension that identification is required."
As for the Tea Party apparel, the judge said it "communicates support for the Tea Party movement which is associated with certain candidates and political views."
After two county attorneys decided that the buttons would break the ban on campaign materials at the polling place, Minnesota Majority decided to sue last week. The judge's ruling against the group's request came down yesterday.
But pay no attention to the judge behind that robe, Minnesota Majority told their supporters in an e-mail sent Monday night.
"For now, we are recommending that you proceed with wearing your Election Integrity buttons or Tea Party apparel to the polls, knowing you are within your rights, but don't allow yourself to be disenfranchised," the group said in an e-mail.
Dan McGrath of Minnesota Majority confirmed to TPMMuckraker that group sent the e-mail but did not immediately reply to a request for an interview.
The e-mails says that there is a "huge problem" with the Minnesota election law that prohibits political campaign materials in the polling place "when you start to consider how some election judges might choose to define 'political materials'."
"For example, if you wear a Vikings shirt to the polls tomorrow, an election judge could decide that the shirt represents 'political materials' because a particular candidate supports taxpayer funding for a new Vikings stadium," the e-mail said. "Someone could be asked to remove a crucifix because an election judge decides that because there is a Catholic candidate on the ballot that the crucifix represents an endorsement of the candidate. In the absence of any clear standards, these are real possibilities."
Voters shouldn't allow themselves to be disenfranchised, the e-mail says. "Make sure and vote, whether that means removing the questioned materials or risking a fine," it said.
"This is just another example of "government gone wild" with exercising authority not granted to it by our laws or the Constitution," said the e-mail.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Update?
videoguy505
Footballguy
Voting after work. Will update. Either here or in the thread where I've tracked my results in the past, I'll have to search for it.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
I sure hope he's not referring to the U.S. Constitution in that quote, because it's a Minnesota state law and its judicial interpretation that has him frothing at the mouth. Maybe he should go back and read the 10th Amendment.
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