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How much Voter Fraud is Happening (2 Viewers)

Which is worse / which is MORE UNJUST?

  • An illegitimate vote being counted

    Votes: 73 27.4%

  • A legitimate vote not being counted

    Votes: 193 72.6%
  • Total voters
    266
Opie said:
No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.
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So, how many fraudulent votes did your parents cast?

I kid. I kid.

Now, what happens when someone much more shady than your family member receives these extra ballots and mails one in? The only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote.  With even 30% voter participation, that would mean that there would be evidence of rampant voter fraud, but in ever investigation this get, that's not the case.

Btw, are you certsin that there these were real mail in ballots and not sample ballots?

 
The Z Machine said:
Now, what happens when someone much more shady than your family member receives these extra ballots and mails one in? The only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote. 
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Actually, the only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote AND the impostor is able to accurately forge the real voter's signature.

The odds of that happening are similar to the odds of an impostor impersonating you in a live voting booth.

 
Opie said:
No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.
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Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.
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:goodposting:

This was brought up around 48 pages ago. It should have ended the thread then.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.
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My family has owned the house since 1964 and did not received anyone else's ballot until 2012....48 years later.....and more than one ballot? Different names? Never the same name? Multiple elections? Mom was a registered Democrat.

I guess that overlooking the obvious is what keeps people voting Democrat.

 
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Opie said:
My family has owned the house since 1964 and did not received anyone else's ballot until 2012....48 years later.....and more than one ballot....different names? Never the same name? Multiple elections?

I guess that overlooking the obvious is what keeps people voting Democrat.
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I take it they were names of your family that had lived there?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok thanks. So what happened when your family contacted the registrar’s office about these 50 year out of date registrations?
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We contacted the county clerk each time that it happened,

They took our names, the names that were on the ballots, and said that they would check into the error.

We have no idea what happened after that.....we just received ballots with different names at the next election....never more that two for each.

Dad died in 2001...mom died in 2009....started receiving other ballots in 2012.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
I posted the same thing in the other other Trump thread, but yeah, after reading this stuff, unless there has been a recent change by Palm Beach in their agreement (there hasn’t been), President Trump absolutely 100% committed voter fraud.
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Trump won't care and his supporters won't care. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
I posted the same thing in the other other Trump thread, but yeah, after reading this stuff, unless there has been a recent change by Palm Beach in their agreement (there hasn’t been), President Trump absolutely 100% committed voter fraud.
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"Exactly! Just look at all the voter fraud that's happening!!!!"

 
GroveDiesel said:
I posted the same thing in the other other Trump thread, but yeah, after reading this stuff, unless there has been a recent change by Palm Beach in their agreement (there hasn’t been), President Trump absolutely 100% committed voter fraud (or at least attempted to, not sure if filing a false registration definitely qualifies as fraud).
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Why would he do this on purpose? Is it possible it's just expedient for him to do so? What should his address have been - one of his NY properties? At this point is it the White House?

 
Gr00vus said:
Why would he do this on purpose? Is it possible it's just expedient for him to do so? What should his address have been - one of his NY properties? At this point is it the White House?
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He definitely spends more time on Florida than anywhere else at this point it seems. If his address is the White House, he wouldn’t be able to vote in Florida though (his first voter registration got rejected because he listed the White House as his address). Not sure why he wouldn’t use his NY address and vote in NY other than his vote for himself in NY would be totally meaningless but Florida is a swing state.

But honestly I don’t know why he would do it, only that he did it and had every reason to know that he was lying when he completed the registration. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
He definitely spends more time on Florida than anywhere else at this point it seems. If his address is the White House, he wouldn’t be able to vote in Florida though (his first voter registration got rejected because he listed the White House as his address). Not sure why he wouldn’t use his NY address and vote in NY other than his vote for himself in NY would be totally meaningless but Florida is a swing state.

But honestly I don’t know why he would do it, only that he did it and had every reason to know that he was lying when he completed the registration. 
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There are some assumptions here that I don't know we can feel confident about. One is that he actually fills the registration form out himself - he may not do that (which I  guess would be another form of fraud). Another is that he actually knows the law, which may not be the case (I mean, he seems to have almost no understanding of what constitutes vote fraud, how it happens, how often it happens, etc.), in which case it's not a lie per se, at least not an intentional one. It's the whole don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence kind of thing.

 
Trey said:
What is happening in Georgia today should be criminal (and was until SCOTUS killed VRA). 4+ hour waits in areas where voting locations have been significantly reduced in recent years.

 This is why everyone that can vote by mail needs to do so.
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Agree and agree.  This is the real voter fraud.  

 
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beef said:
Agree and agree.  This is the real voter fraud.  
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This will happen and disenfranchise a lot of voters. I am still more scared of pure election fraud though. "Hmm, we lost by 2000 voters <types on a computer>, now we win by 1000 voters" type stuff. 

 
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"This drone footage shows a long line of voters waiting to cast ballots in Atlanta on Tuesday. Georgia election officials, poll workers and voters have reported major trouble with voting in Atlanta and elsewhere.":   https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1270433009033007106

Got in line at 6:50pm and finished voting around 9 during extended hours, so her ballot is placed in a provisional envelope instead of being scanned. Crazy system in Georgia. https://twitter.com/Faith_Fatum/status/1270530257616089093 

 
SoBeDad said:
"This drone footage shows a long line of voters waiting to cast ballots in Atlanta on Tuesday. Georgia election officials, poll workers and voters have reported major trouble with voting in Atlanta and elsewhere.":   https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1270433009033007106

Got in line at 6:50pm and finished voting around 9 during extended hours, so her ballot is placed in a provisional envelope instead of being scanned. Crazy system in Georgia. https://twitter.com/Faith_Fatum/status/1270530257616089093 
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It’s almost like they don’t want people voting.

 
>>Local news stations showed there were still long lines in some Atlanta polling places at midnight.

Polling locations had been reduced in many counties amid a shortage of poll workers because of concerns about the coronavirus outbreak. About 1 million Georgians voted absentee by mail, Raffensperger’s office said, and another 325,000 already had cast ballots in person during early voting. <<

The good news is that this  experience should increase awareness and use of early voting and absentee ballots in the the 2020 general election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election/long-lines-voting-machine-problems-fuel-investigations-in-u-s-state-of-georgia-idUSKBN23G19F

 
Has there been an official statement from the Kemp administration regarding the voting difficulties yesterday?

GOP voting suppression may be temporarily effective but in terms of winning hearts and minds in the long run, it's a really stupid tactic. Especially with modern methods of national exposure, they can't hide what they're doing like they could a few decades ago. The nation's electorate generally demands fair elections and Republican efforts to deny those is analogous to George Wallace standing in the doorway at the U of Alabama.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Has there been an official statement from the Kemp administration regarding the voting difficulties yesterday?

GOP voting suppression may be temporarily effective but in terms of winning hearts and minds in the long run, it's a really stupid tactic. Especially with modern methods of national exposure, they can't hide what they're doing like they could a few decades ago. The nation's electorate generally demands fair elections and Republican efforts to deny those is analogous to George Wallace standing in the doorway at the U of Alabama.
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If their voters cared about this stuff they would not be voting for them in the first place, seeing as how this is not the first, second, third,  or 100th time this has happened. Their base has been compacted to a 40ish% that cannot be lost, so their method of winning is no longer winning over new voters, but to just suppress opposing voters by any means necessary. 

This is why I am scared of election fraud, because it is just one step past what they are already doing now, they have already tip toed up to the line, so why not just take a little step over. 

 
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roadkill1292 said:
Has there been an official statement from the Kemp administration regarding the voting difficulties yesterday?

GOP voting suppression may be temporarily effective but in terms of winning hearts and minds in the long run, it's a really stupid tactic. Especially with modern methods of national exposure, they can't hide what they're doing like they could a few decades ago. The nation's electorate generally demands fair elections and Republican efforts to deny those is analogous to George Wallace standing in the doorway at the U of Alabama.
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Here's an answer from fivethirtyeight:

By the end of the day, both Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and state House Speaker David Ralston had announced they were opening investigations into what went wrong.
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It also seems like most of the problems were with the machines themselves, though the closing of so many voting places in urban precincts remains unjustifiable.

 
The Commish said:
As in, they have that many left to tally or they haven't even gotten to that many total of say a 500K or so?
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They apparently have a whole bunch of mail in ballots they just haven't had the manpower to count. But they're also discovering widespread machine error in failing to count the ones that went through them.

Democratic turnout was reportedly way up, too. It's a big election there with two Senate seats up for grabs(coming at the worst possible time for Republicans, too). But they have huge systemic problems and I have absolutely no confidence in the Kemp administration getting them fixed by November. What an effing mess.

 
roadkill1292 said:
They apparently have a whole bunch of mail in ballots they just haven't had the manpower to count. But they're also discovering widespread machine error in failing to count the ones that went through them.

Democratic turnout was reportedly way up, too. It's a big election there with two Senate seats up for grabs(coming at the worst possible time for Republicans, too). But they have huge systemic problems and I have absolutely no confidence in the Kemp administration getting them fixed by November. What an effing mess.
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Thanks!  Kemp was the one previously responsible for the system before becoming Governor correct?  I'm not surprised at all that they are having "problems" though I doubt you'll find Kemp or his crew seeing that it's an actual "problem".

 
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Sand said:
Not a good look for mail in ballots - voting fraud in New Jersey.
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Can you break this down for me as to why this is on the ballots and not the people filling them out or delivering them?  If I read that article correctly, hundreds were brought into question because they were left, in bulk, in apartment complexes/building lobbies.  A couple thousand were rejected because the signatures didn't match.  Seems like that is exactly how it should work, no?  Would we say "not a good look for in person voting" if we caught a major ring of people busing all over the place to vote in different precincts multiple times?  I don't think we would.  We would say that the system caught them and they got busted for illegal activity.

The mental gymnastics people are using to try and stoke fear in mail in ballots is so bizarre to me.  It's like we aren't even trying to hide the real motives anymore.

 
In addition, the real fraud is GOP incumbents having lackeys (family members) use fraudulent mail-in ballots to stuff the boxes in their favor. So, one party's insistence that mail-in ballots are wrought with fraud decide to prove it by fraudulent actions with mail-in ballots. Delivered in bulk.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
In addition, the real fraud is GOP incumbents having lackeys (family members) use fraudulent mail-in ballots to stuff the boxes in their favor. So, one party's insistence that mail-in ballots are wrought with fraud decide to prove it by fraudulent actions with mail-in ballots. Delivered in bulk.
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Wow.  Ok.

Do we just make stuff up in here now and accept it as fact?

 
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