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Just now, sho nuff said:

No.  Voter fraud is not a problem because time after time after time its been shown to be statistically insignificant.

There are safeguards involved with ballots lost in the chain of custody when it comes to mail in voting.

 

It's insignificant now....so let's increase the opportunities?

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29 minutes ago, Opie said:

We don't read the threads because what is regurgitated here, can be heard from the MSM.

Any proof of the group consensus is quickly poo-pood away with no consideration for the content of any rebuttal....just like the MSM.

The article (from a left-center publication) documents voter fraud on the part of Democratic officials....yet...there is no voter fraud on the part of the Democrats.

We've heard it all before.

I can't even find a single post from one of you that even admit that Russian collusion was a total fraud concocted to undo the 2016 election and remove President Trump from office.
How can anyone expect you to admit anything else?

If you can't be bothered to even read the thread you are posting in, then you are operating in a vacuum and what you have to say is of little to no value, since it is not based on anything that has been said or is being discussed.  

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20 minutes ago, squistion said:

If you can't be bothered to even read the thread you are posting in, then you are operating in a vacuum and what you have to say is of little to no value, since it is not based on anything that has been said or is being discussed.  

As I posted...what is said here is usually a regurgitation of what is said by the MSM....almost verbatim.

I didn't post my opinion....I posted an article from a left-center publication.
I emphasize "left-center" because anything coming from any publication on the right is immediately dismissed without being read....much like I dismiss most postings linked to an MSM source like the NYT or WAPO...CNN or MSNBC

Much like you link to Twitter posts from liberals to prove a point while posting those from the right in order to ridicule.

Ignoring sources....

I'm guilty of it
You and most everyone here is guilty of it.

You may or may not have noticed that most of my critical posts have to do with the MSM.
Politicians are liars, by definition so I expect it...the MSM shouldn't be..but I still expect it.
I sometimes even feel sorry for those on the Left how have been duped and continue to believe the lies they're being told.


It's the blatant and unapologetic hypocrisy of the politicians, ideologues, and the media, that gets me.
And since the MSM carries water for the Democrats....it is a lot more obvious.

Actually, I'm not sure exactly who's calling the shots and who's carrying the water....the MSM or the DNC?

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39 minutes ago, Opie said:

Also...why not voter ID??

Maybe it has to do with how white liberals see black voters.

We've all been told that "Poor kids are just as bright as white kids” - Joe Biden

Because its a bad solution yo a statistically insignificant problem?

If you are going yo pay for it for those without ID and transportation for those who cant make it...go for it.

BTW...guess how I received my ID id use to vote?  By mail...crazy how it wasn’t  tampered with.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Because its a bad solution yo a statistically insignificant problem?

If you are going yo pay for it for those without ID and transportation for those who cant make it...go for it.

Jeez...did you even watch the video?

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39 minutes ago, Opie said:

It's insignificant now....so let's increase the opportunities?

Its always been insignificant...and I disagree that it increases opportunity.

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Just now, Opie said:

Jeez...did you even watch the video?

Some random youtube video of a Trump sycophant that likely doesn't refute what i said?  No...no thanks.  Come up with a real source and I may read it...but utterly ridiculous youtube links...not going to happen.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Some random youtube video of a Trump sycophant that likely doesn't refute what i said?  No...no thanks.  Come up with a real source and I may read it...but utterly ridiculous youtube links...not going to happen.

Well... there ya go.

Point proven.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

Well... there ya go.

Point proven.

What point?  That people shouldn’t  take seriously videos that lead in with a Trump 2020 ad?

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47 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

What point?  That people shouldn’t  take seriously videos that lead in with a Trump 2020 ad?

"I emphasize "left-center" because anything coming from any publication on the right is immediately dismissed without being read" (I should add..."or viewed")

It's counter to what you believe and you don't need any conflict that might lead you think about something.

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So I have watched way too many episodes of “Cops” where they find contraband, drugs of every kind, stolen items, guns, knives but it is amazing that I never see one where they find ballots that have been stolen from mailboxes. I bet there is a conspiracy by those liberal producers to not show those videos where those harvested ballots are found.

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14 hours ago, sho nuff said:

What point?  That people shouldn’t  take seriously videos that lead in with a Trump 2020 ad?

Actually...this video has absolutely nothing to do with Donald J. Trump.
His name isn't even mentioned....nor is any other Republican or Democrat politician....nor does it link to any political party.

It simply interviews white and black citizens and and asks their opinion on voter ID and whether or not they feel it suppresses the black vote..

The interviews take place in Berkeley CA. and East Harlem.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

Actually...this video has absolutely nothing to do with Donald J. Trump.
His name isn't even mentioned....nor is any other Republican or Democrat politician....nor does it link to any political party.

It simply interviews white and black citizens and and asks their opinion on voter ID and whether or not they feel it suppresses the black vote..

When I clicked the link...the ad that started before the video was a Trump 2020 ad.  If you want me then to think a FoxNews piece by a right wing activist is somehow not biased...then yeah, try to find a better link.

 

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Just now, sho nuff said:

When I clicked the link...the ad that started before the video was a Trump 2020 ad.  If you want me then to think a FoxNews piece by a right wing activist is somehow not biased...then yeah, try to find a better link.

 

oh....you must not have You Tube Premium....sorry 'bout that.

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12 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

When I clicked the link...the ad that started before the video was a Trump 2020 ad.  If you want me then to think a FoxNews piece by a right wing activist is somehow not biased...then yeah, try to find a better link.

 

Here it is on Facebook

He found every black, conservative voter in East Harlem to interview.

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We have such larger issues than Voter Fraud when it comes to our right to vote including, but not limited to, folks having to wait in 4+ hour lines to cast a ballot. That’s obscene and for me enough reason alone to move to VBM. It should be as easy as possible to exercise this right. 
 

When it comes to ID, I’d say that as long as they are 100% free and a system is put in place to get them to folks without the ability to get to the DMV during business hours and there is a long runway (don’t implement for a cycle or so), I could get behind it. 
The issue with ID right now is that it, like everything else, has become politicized. Hunting license is acceptable, college ID is not in a given state. Hmm, I wonder how that happened?

There are plenty of common sense reforms to be made but unfortunately the folks in charge of making those reforms are more keen on keeping their jobs by selecting their voters. 

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17 hours ago, Opie said:

I can't even find a single post from one of you that even admit that Russian collusion was a total fraud concocted to undo the 2016 election and remove President Trump from office.
How can anyone expect you to admit anything else

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.  Please don't derail the convo.

I know many here have vilified the particular Democratic official in the story you (re)posted.

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2 hours ago, Opie said:

Here it is on Facebook

He found every black, conservative voter in East Harlem to interview.

We saw this video and discussed it months ago. He doesn't even ask the same questions. He ask the people in California if they think Voter ID is discriminatory towards minorities.  He ask the NY group if they know where the DMV is. 

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5 minutes ago, Mile High said:

We saw this video and discussed it months ago. He doesn't even ask the same questions. He ask the people in California if they think Voter ID is discriminatory towards minorities.  He ask the NY group if they know where the DMV is. 

So that's it then....The Democrats must be correct in their belief that black people, or minorities in general, are either too poor or too ignorant to obtain an ID for the purpose of voting.

.....case closed.

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Just now, Opie said:

So that's it then....The Democrats are correct...

Black people, in general, are either too poor or too ignorant to obtain an ID

.....case closed.

Why don't we see him asking the NY group if they think Voter ID is discriminatory?

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2 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Why don't we see him asking the NY group if they think Voter ID is discriminatory?

He asked if they believed that the thought of black people being unable to obtain an ID is racist.

...yeah...but more "ignorant" or "stupid".

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Also asking people in NYC if it's easy to get to a DMV compared to lots of people living in rural America doesn't mean much.

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Isn’t the question how much voter fraud is happening?

Didn’t Trump have a task force in charge of studying this (well really it was to justify why he lost the popular vote by millions)?

Didn’t that task force dissolve without fanfare, results?

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1 minute ago, The General said:

Isn’t the question how much voter fraud is happening?

Didn’t Trump have a task force in charge of studying this (well really it was to justify why he lost the popular vote by millions)?

Didn’t that task force dissolve without fanfare, results?

You seem to know everything that President Trump is thinking...

Is that your superpower? 

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1 minute ago, The General said:

Isn’t the question how much voter fraud is happening?

Didn’t Trump have a task force in charge of studying this (well really it was to justify why he lost the popular vote by millions)?

Didn’t that task force dissolve without fanfare, results?

It dissolved faster than it took to put it together.

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3 minutes ago, Opie said:

You seem to know everything that President Trump is thinking...

Is that your superpower? 

He tells us what he’s thinking every moment. In this case he said millions of millions of people illegally voted in 2016.

Do you read the findings of his task force? He put some of his top people on it. 

What did they find out?

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7 minutes ago, The General said:

What did they find out?

0 point 0. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Bubkis. 

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8 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

0 point 0. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Bubkis. 

Well that’s weird. 

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18 minutes ago, The General said:

He tells us what he’s thinking every moment. In this case he said millions of millions of people illegally voted in 2016.

Do you read the findings of his task force? He put some of his top people on it. 

What did they find out?

Hey now. One guy over here did some voter fraud and other over there did to. We can seem to catch those guys.But voter fraud of millions and millions investigation by some of president's top men can't find a thing.

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

Well that’s weird. 

I know right!?! Never saw that coming

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Now why would Trump have settled on the number 3-5 million cases of illegal voters? That’s a pretty specific number to have a week after the election.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Isn’t the question how much voter fraud is happening?

Didn’t Trump have a task force in charge of studying this (well really it was to justify why he lost the popular vote by millions)?

Didn’t that task force dissolve without fanfare, results?

Exactly.  I check in here periodically, amazed that the thread is still alive, wondering if I’ve missed some study that proves rampant voter fraud.  Of course, there is no such study or evidence, because rampant voter fraud isn’t happening.

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1 minute ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Exactly.  I check in here periodically, amazed that the thread is still alive, wondering if I’ve missed some study that proves rampant voter fraud.  Of course, there is no such study or evidence, because rampant voter fraud isn’t happening.

Mail-in balloting is the new thing because Trump knows it hurts his chances. Because it’s Trump people arguing for him.

A combo of mail-on plus traditional in-person so much a better way to vote. 

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1 hour ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Exactly.  I check in here periodically, amazed that the thread is still alive, wondering if I’ve missed some study that proves rampant voter fraud.  Of course, there is no such study or evidence, because rampant voter fraud isn’t happening.

The purpose of this thread has been achieved: to serve up a giant smelly smokescreen that deflects attention from the genuine problems with our election systems. And to cast unwarranted aspersions on groups who are most likely to have their rights as citizens suppressed.

Good job, OP. You're doing the Lord's work again.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Mail-in balloting is the new thing because Trump knows it hurts his chances. Because it’s Trump people arguing for him.

A combo of mail-on plus traditional in-person so much a better way to vote. 

Similar to the Secretary of State office. Why make everyone wait in line when things can be done more efficiently thru mail or internet?

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14 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Similar to the Secretary of State office. Why make everyone wait in line when things can be done more efficiently thru mail or internet?

Because it can be done more efficiently

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2 hours ago, The General said:

Now why would Trump have settled on the number 3-5 million cases of illegal voters? That’s a pretty specific number to have a week after the election.

The ironic part is that vote-by-mail would have prevented all those fictitious illegals from voting.

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No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.

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1 hour ago, Opie said:

No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.

Did that impact the election results in any way?

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1 hour ago, Opie said:

No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.

So, how many fraudulent votes did your parents cast?

I kid. I kid.

Now, what happens when someone much more shady than your family member receives these extra ballots and mails one in? The only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote.  With even 30% voter participation, that would mean that there would be evidence of rampant voter fraud, but in ever investigation this get, that's not the case.

Btw, are you certsin that there these were real mail in ballots and not sample ballots?

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9 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Now, what happens when someone much more shady than your family member receives these extra ballots and mails one in? The only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote. 

Actually, the only way it gets counted is if the real person doesn't vote AND the impostor is able to accurately forge the real voter's signature.

The odds of that happening are similar to the odds of an impostor impersonating you in a live voting booth.

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2 hours ago, Opie said:

No problem here

My parents bought their house in 1964 and at least one family member has occupied that home since then.

For the last few elections, since 2012, the home has received, in the mail, ballots with other people's name on them....and never the same name.
Only one or two...but it has happened every election....local and national.

Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.

:goodposting:

This was brought up around 48 pages ago. It should have ended the thread then.

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22 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Say this new owner was a terrible Democrat. And he cunningly sends in this ballot for his favorite socialist candidates in your name because you used to live there.

And then you show up at your precinct to vote and they tell you, nope you can’t, you already voted. What would happen do you think?

To cut to the chase, you’d report the fraud, they’d let you vote provisionally and the fraudster would be immediately traceable to the address where the ballot was sent. (And why you haven’t updated your address for voter registration is a different question).

Now I guess the new owner might think, Ah this is likely an elderly person or itinerant/lapsed voter, but they’d be taking a big chance for one vote. You would personally take that chance even as a hyper-mad-TDS’d lib? Doubt it.

My family has owned the house since 1964 and did not received anyone else's ballot until 2012....48 years later.....and more than one ballot? Different names? Never the same name? Multiple elections? Mom was a registered Democrat.

I guess that overlooking the obvious is what keeps people voting Democrat.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

My family has owned the house since 1964 and did not received anyone else's ballot until 2012....48 years later.....and more than one ballot....different names? Never the same name? Multiple elections?

I guess that overlooking the obvious is what keeps people voting Democrat.

I take it they were names of your family that had lived there?

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I take it they were named of your family that had lived there?

?? :confused:

...oh...NAMES of my family..

No....did not recognize the names.

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Just now, Opie said:

?? :confused:

Sorry I’m just asking if it was ballots for the random names of people who had never lived at that address. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Sorry I’m just asking if it was ballots for the random names of people who had never lived at that address. 

Random, as in, "who the hell is this person?"    Yes

If they ever lived there, it was before 1964.

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3 minutes ago, Opie said:

Random, as in, "who the hell is this person?"    Yes

If they ever lived there, it was before 1964.

Ok thanks. So what happened when your family contacted the registrar’s office about these 50 year out of date registrations?

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok thanks. So what happened when your family contacted the registrar’s office about these 50 year out of date registrations?

We contacted the county clerk each time that it happened,

They took our names, the names that were on the ballots, and said that they would check into the error.

We have no idea what happened after that.....we just received ballots with different names at the next election....never more that two for each.

Dad died in 2001...mom died in 2009....started receiving other ballots in 2012.

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