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Breaking Bad on AMC (5 Viewers)
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Das Boot
Footballguy
I loved the exchange just prior to that:
Anyway, one of the names
was Kaylee Ehrmantraut.
Ten years old
and just cute as a button.
Yeah. Two million and change
we found on deposit for her.
Way more than anybody else.
Now, my partner here,
he took one look at that and said:
"####, man. This fifth-grade girl is the
muscle behind Fring's entire operation."
I said, "Whoa, whoa, hey, partner,
slow down there.
Maybe it was actually
her dear old granddaddy."
Impressive, no?
That... level of insight?
He's not impressed, Gomey.
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Leeroy Jenkins
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pats3in4
Footballguy
Just finished about a one month marathon of viewing this first time. Like WW's meth, the storytelling was 99.1% pure. As was the acting.
Just breezed through the thread. Love how the first 20 pages cover the 1st 3 seasons, then 300+ cover the final 3 (or 2+). Looks like a lot of folks caught on once Netflix started streaming and the buzz grew. So much has been said already that all I have are some random thoughts that I didn't see posted (but likely missed):
NOW I finally get RN's sig.
Love the contrast on how Gus ran things vs. Uncle Jack.
Not sure who was the more psychotic killer: Todd or Lydia.
Nice touch of having blood ready for Jesse should they need it (poison or injury) during the cartel take-down. Gus obviously valued Mike and had blood for him ready, but good that he didn't see Jesse as disposable.
Hector's bell...what an awesome plot device, and I loved that it played a role in the emotional high point of the series: "I won" and it's double-meaning of WW beating Gus, but also Heisenberg beating WW.
Loved Hank's final dig at Walt: "You're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realize he made up his mind 10 minutes ago." Street smarts ultimately win out.
Being a big Jack Ryan movies fan in the 1990s, the guy who played Tuco will always be the sniper from Clear and Present Danger to me. Going from good guy to bad guy was tough for me to take seriously.
On the other hand, Bryan Cranston was so good in this role that at no time did I go, "Hey, it's the funny dad from Malcom in the Middle!" Wonder how he'll do in the Godzilla movie coming out next year.
I could keep going. Just so much to like about this show.
Just breezed through the thread. Love how the first 20 pages cover the 1st 3 seasons, then 300+ cover the final 3 (or 2+). Looks like a lot of folks caught on once Netflix started streaming and the buzz grew. So much has been said already that all I have are some random thoughts that I didn't see posted (but likely missed):
NOW I finally get RN's sig.
Love the contrast on how Gus ran things vs. Uncle Jack.
Not sure who was the more psychotic killer: Todd or Lydia.
Nice touch of having blood ready for Jesse should they need it (poison or injury) during the cartel take-down. Gus obviously valued Mike and had blood for him ready, but good that he didn't see Jesse as disposable.
Hector's bell...what an awesome plot device, and I loved that it played a role in the emotional high point of the series: "I won" and it's double-meaning of WW beating Gus, but also Heisenberg beating WW.
Loved Hank's final dig at Walt: "You're the smartest guy I know and you're too stupid to realize he made up his mind 10 minutes ago." Street smarts ultimately win out.
Being a big Jack Ryan movies fan in the 1990s, the guy who played Tuco will always be the sniper from Clear and Present Danger to me. Going from good guy to bad guy was tough for me to take seriously.
On the other hand, Bryan Cranston was so good in this role that at no time did I go, "Hey, it's the funny dad from Malcom in the Middle!" Wonder how he'll do in the Godzilla movie coming out next year.
I could keep going. Just so much to like about this show.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Remember when Jesse went home, and his parents were concerned that he would be a bad influence on his little brother? That's how I felt today. Went to my sister's house for Thanksgiving. She and my BIL are both wonderful people, but they are out of my league in terms of sophistication. They are both doctors, and they are SILLY wealthy. Gorgeous,150-year-old Victorian home, new car every six months, private schools, etc.
Meanwhile, I enjoy getting drunk, smelling my own farts and watching Euro porn.
My 14-year-old nephew is a master musician already. Piano, trumpet, clarinet.... you name it. Excuse the double-negative, but I've never NOT seen him wearing a tie, no matter what the occasion. When I send birthday presents to him, he never calls or emails to say thank you. Puzzling, because he is the most polite, proper kid in person. It's a near-certainty that my sister TELLS him not to call me. Some of my uncouthness may seep through the phone. Starting to get the picture?
It makes for a slightly uncomfortable day. But it so reminded me of Jesse feeling like an outsider when he went back to visit his family.
Meanwhile, I enjoy getting drunk, smelling my own farts and watching Euro porn.
My 14-year-old nephew is a master musician already. Piano, trumpet, clarinet.... you name it. Excuse the double-negative, but I've never NOT seen him wearing a tie, no matter what the occasion. When I send birthday presents to him, he never calls or emails to say thank you. Puzzling, because he is the most polite, proper kid in person. It's a near-certainty that my sister TELLS him not to call me. Some of my uncouthness may seep through the phone. Starting to get the picture?
It makes for a slightly uncomfortable day. But it so reminded me of Jesse feeling like an outsider when he went back to visit his family.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
So did you give your nephew the joint back?Remember when Jesse went home, and his parents were concerned that he would be a bad influence on his little brother? That's how I felt today. Went to my sister's house for Thanksgiving. She and my BIL are both wonderful people, but they are out of my league in terms of sophistication. They are both doctors, and they are SILLY wealthy. Gorgeous,150-year-old Victorian home, new car every six months, private schools, etc.
Meanwhile, I enjoy getting drunk, smelling my own farts and watching Euro porn.
My 14-year-old nephew is a master musician already. Piano, trumpet, clarinet.... you name it. Excuse the double-negative, but I've never NOT seen him wearing a tie, no matter what the occasion. When I send birthday presents to him, he never calls or emails to say thank you. Puzzling, because he is the most polite, proper kid in person. It's a near-certainty that my sister TELLS him not to call me. Some of my uncouthness may seep through the phone. Starting to get the picture?
It makes for a slightly uncomfortable day. But it so reminded me of Jesse feeling like an outsider when he went back to visit his family.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Heh.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Got done with the last 2 episodes last night. Gotta say that I was really impressed with how they rapped the show up. Haven't read through the thread yet or read many other reactions, but just heard rumblings that people were slightly disappointed, and I don't get that. The only slight knock on the final episode I had was that after 5 seasons of them trusting the audience to pick up on things, they felt the need to hit us over the head with what happened to Lydia.
Still processing how I feel about the show overall and how it ranks with other great shows currently going. When it was on, there might not be anything better. There are some stand alone episodes in this series that are some of the best TV I have seen. I will still stick to my previous observation that a few times it felt like they were building to something, just to have it level off the next episode - examples would be the build up of Walt going nuts in the crawlspace, Pinkman going nuts with the gas, etc.. Also could have done with more Pinkman and less Todd in the last season and was really hoping for more of a Hank vs. Walt showdown. For every minor beef like that, there are so many amazing scenes that trump it and make it stand up with the greats. Glad I listened to people and gave this series another shot.
Still processing how I feel about the show overall and how it ranks with other great shows currently going. When it was on, there might not be anything better. There are some stand alone episodes in this series that are some of the best TV I have seen. I will still stick to my previous observation that a few times it felt like they were building to something, just to have it level off the next episode - examples would be the build up of Walt going nuts in the crawlspace, Pinkman going nuts with the gas, etc.. Also could have done with more Pinkman and less Todd in the last season and was really hoping for more of a Hank vs. Walt showdown. For every minor beef like that, there are so many amazing scenes that trump it and make it stand up with the greats. Glad I listened to people and gave this series another shot.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What I want to know is, when did Jesse get so smart? Okay, he was always a bit street smart, but in Season 5, he suddenly conjured out of thin air two great plans - the magnets, and then how to rob the train without anyone ever knowing - while Walt and Mike sat there arguing. It just seemed odd that Jesse all of a sudden was the smart one who had this genius, infallible plan...twice.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
He was always smart, just unmotivated. As the series goes along and he learns from Walter and Mike, he becomes more self-confident and his intelligence starts to show a little more.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Totally agree, Jesse was intelligent, just not book smart - or motivated as you noted. Nothing he did in the series seemed out of character to me. The magnets idea was a perfect example, he was smart enough to think of a relatively simple concept, but had no idea how to implement it or plan it or actually make it happen - that was Walter's area of expertise, a good microcosm of their symbiotic relationship throughout the series.
Das Boot
Footballguy
One major flaw I didn't like was that Jesse would have known that if he tried to escape the compound and got caught, Jack and crew would retaliate against Andrea and Brock, and he never would have taken a chance that that would happen. The threat of that was very explicit with the picture they gave him of Andrea and Brock.
But it can be explained by Jesse being beaten down mentally and not thinking clearly, so it's not an error - just an unlikely scenario imo.
But it can be explained by Jesse being beaten down mentally and not thinking clearly, so it's not an error - just an unlikely scenario imo.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
One thing that kind of bugs me:
Why was Gus so infuriated over the death of two random drug dealers? Were they the only drug dealers in ABQ? Were they special in some way? And how did Gus not know they were using kids? I thought the man was careful!
I know this may be nitpicky, but it bugs me.
Why was Gus so infuriated over the death of two random drug dealers? Were they the only drug dealers in ABQ? Were they special in some way? And how did Gus not know they were using kids? I thought the man was careful!
I know this may be nitpicky, but it bugs me.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think Gus was either aware that they were using kids or he just didn't care. He didn't mind when the kid got killed.
As for why he was so mad, he personally brokered a truce between his men and Walt/Jesse, only to have the latter two unilaterally break the peace. Of course he'd be mad.
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Brady Marino
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Could have been Gus putting up a smokescreen, I'll admit.
I also forgot that, immediately after, Gale started being groomed for the #1 slot in the lab. But still, the value of a genius chemist is far more than two random drug dealers, IMO.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Doesn't mean the genius chemist gets to #### in your mouth whenever he feels like it.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Gale was always the #1 choice, it was only by Gale's desire to find out who was creating a meth even purer than Gale's that he convinced Gus to bring Walt into the operation to begin with.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Walt never asked him that.Brady Marino said:
Gus: Are you asking me if I ordered the murder of a child?
Walt: I would never ask you that.
Granted, he all but suggested it, but Walt never did ask him.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I finally saw "Argo", and seeing it made me understand a little deeper why Cranston was always so effusive in his praise of the writing on the show. It wasn't that his role was bad in the movie, just cliched. He played the captain/lieutenant/commanding officer type who spends the first two acts of the film berating the lead character, telling him to stop being such a maverick/insubordinate/loose cannon, and threatening to to demote/fire/take his badge away. But then in the third act, the lead character will get himself into deep trouble and the captain/lieutenant/commanding officer will go ahead and break all of his own rules to help him out of the jam because (of course) he sees a lot of himself in the lead character. Then the movie ends with the two characters giving each other a nod/wink/grin/thumbs up.
After the challenges of "Breaking Bad", I'm sure Cranston could have played this role in his sleep.
After the challenges of "Breaking Bad", I'm sure Cranston could have played this role in his sleep.
Das Boot
Footballguy
That's definitely possible, given how stressful his living conditions were it's easy to imagine any state of mind for Jesse.
But if he was still thinking clearly, he would have realized that his only value to them was his meth cooking skills, and he already knew they'd kill him as soon as they didn't need that anymore, and there would be no reason for them to do anything to Andrea and Brock after killing Jesse.
So his only real reason to escape was a "selfish" one, i.e. save his own life and get out of the hellish situation he was in, but at the risk of failing and bringing harm to Andrea and Brock, exactly what happened.
Perfectly understandable, but I really question whether Jesse would have taken the risk of escaping and failing.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Seriously wouldn't you just make a huge Bomb out of the chemicals and just blow the entire place to hell if Jessie had thought that Andrea and Brock were in danger.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Great series. Didn't like it as much as Lost and Battlestar, but still great.
Couple questions:
1) How did Walt get Brock to take the poison?
2) How could Mike possibly get out of the park when the cops surrounded it?
I love when modern shows draw from ancient mythology. Naming episodes "Kafkaesque" and "Ozymandias" and making allusions to Sisyphus, for example, were awesome.
Couple questions:
1) How did Walt get Brock to take the poison?
2) How could Mike possibly get out of the park when the cops surrounded it?
I love when modern shows draw from ancient mythology. Naming episodes "Kafkaesque" and "Ozymandias" and making allusions to Sisyphus, for example, were awesome.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Stuff like this happened with Skylar and Saul as well. Saul went from genius to idiot cant conjure a plan lawyer and Skylar went into genius mode as well when she wanted the car wash.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's easier to make plans when you're in control and when the preservation instinct kicks in you can become more clever.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Watching someone engage in self destructive behavior is interesting but not as entertaining to me.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
You could argue that the 1st season of Lost was at least in the same zip code as Breaking Bad, but I'm still one of those that still feels insulted over where the series went (even though I enjoyed the Desmond Hume and Ben Linus characters).Watching someone engage in self destructive behavior is interesting but not as entertaining to me.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can see why people thought it went to far. But I'm one that can overlook the context of a show as long as it causes the characters to do interesting things.You could argue that the 1st season of Lost was at least in the same zip code as Breaking Bad, but I'm still one of those that still feels insulted over where the series went (even though I enjoyed the Desmond Hume and Ben Linus characters).Watching someone engage in self destructive behavior is interesting but not as entertaining to me.
Rove!
Footballguy
"magnets" is not the stroke of genius some make it out to be. Jesse always had the simple perspective that allowed him to come up with the simple big picture stuff, while Walt's genius was mired in the complex detail.
Saul was always a great lawyer and dealing with cops, clients and crooks. Not sure where he was an idiot.
Skylore was always somewhat sharp, and accounting and finance were her fields.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Lmao @ Lost.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't get it. Why is it wrong to say I enjoyed watching Lost more than I enjoyed Breaking Bad? Particularly when I consider both to be all-time great shows.
Is it the idea that more violent/edgier is always going to equal "better"?
Is it the idea that more violent/edgier is always going to equal "better"?
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Joe T
Footballguy
Bump. Would like to see an answer to these questions as I have the same ones.... the poison was always a mystery.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Socrates11
Footballguy
Speaking as a fan of both shows, I think one could argue that Lost began with a better premise than Breaking Bad and built a more interesting mythos around it, but ultimately the people behind Lost ran it into the ground while the Breaking Bad people deftly added more and more richness and detail to the premise and finished it masterfully, resulting in a much higher overall level of enjoyment. Don't think it has anything to do with it being more violent or edgier, though that certainly adds appeal to some viewers.I don't get it. Why is it wrong to say I enjoyed watching Lost more than I enjoyed Breaking Bad? Particularly when I consider both to be all-time great shows.
Is it the idea that more violent/edgier is always going to equal "better"?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd be fine with saying that BB was probably the better show but that I still enjoyed watching Lost more. They're not contradictory opinions.Speaking as a fan of both shows, I think one could argue that Lost began with a better premise than Breaking Bad and built a more interesting mythos around it, but ultimately the people behind Lost ran it into the ground while the Breaking Bad people deftly added more and more richness and detail to the premise and finished it masterfully, resulting in a much higher overall level of enjoyment. Don't think it has anything to do with it being more violent or edgier, though that certainly adds appeal to some viewers.I don't get it. Why is it wrong to say I enjoyed watching Lost more than I enjoyed Breaking Bad? Particularly when I consider both to be all-time great shows.
Is it the idea that more violent/edgier is always going to equal "better"?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
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