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WSL #4: Draft Rap + Roster Discussions (1 Viewer)

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I. WSL #4

1) The Sig (960)

#33 3.01 Brees, Drew QB-NOS #1

#128 8.16 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE #25

#01 1.01 Peterson, Adrian RB-MIN #1

#32 2.16 Jacobs, Brandon RB-NYG #15

#96 6.16 White, LenDale RB-TEN #30

#129 9.01 McGahee, Willis RB-NEP #42

#320 20.16 Jordan, Lamont RB-MIA #78

#64 4.16 Jackson, Vincent WR-SDC #23

#65 5.01 Williams, Roy WR-DAL #24

#97 7.01 Holt, Torry WR-STL #41

#161 11.01 Bess, Davonne WR-MIA #55

#193 13.01 Engram, Bobby WR-SEA #73

#289 19.01 Simpson, Jerome WR-CIN #89

#160 10.16 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN #20

#225 15.01 McMichael, Randy TE-TBB #27

#288 18.16 Clark, Desmond TE-CHI #30

#256 16.16 Graham, Shayne PK-CIN #19

#257 17.01 Hanson, Jason PK-DET #20

#192 12.16 MIN DEF/ST #5

#224 14.16 CLE DEF/ST #24

2) Toads (922)

#66 5.02 Thigpen, Tyler QB-KCC #12

#98 7.02 Flacco, Joe QB-BAL #17

#290 19.02 Jackson, Tavaris QB-MIN #36

#34 3.02 Brown, Ronnie RB-MIA #16

#130 9.02 Greene, Shonn FA-RB #43; ROOKIE RB-#4

#159 10.15 Ware, Danny RB-NYG #54

#194 13.02 Williams, Carnell RB-TBB #61

#255 16.15 Dunn, Warrick RB-TBB #67

#02 1.02 Fitzgerald, Larry WR-ARI #1

#63 4.15 Moore, Lance WR-NOS #22

#95 6.15 Clayton, Mark WR-BAL #40

#127 8.15 Maclin, Jeremy FA-WR #47; ROOKIE WR-#2

#162 11.02 Higgins, Johnny Lee WR-OAK #56

#287 18.15 Urban, Jerhemy WR-ARI #88

#31 2.15 Clark, Dallas TE-IND #4

#258 17.02 Casey, James FA-TE #28: ROOKIE TE-#2

#319 20.15 Bennett, Martellus TE-DAL #33

#226 15.02 Gostkowski, Stephen, PK-NEP #1

#191 12.15 PHI DEF/ST #4

#223 14.15 OAK DEF/ST #23

3) Crippler (838)

#62 4.14 Rothlisberger, Ben QB-PIT #11

#131 9.03 Edwards, Trent QB-BUF #26

#259 17.03 Leftwitch, Byron QB-PIT #32

#03 1.03 Jackson, Steven RB-STL #2

#35 3.03 Addai, Joseph RB-IND #17

#99 7.03 Wells, Chris "Beanie" FA-RB #31; ROOKIE RB-#2

#195 13.03 Jackson, Brandon RB-GBP #62

#67 5.03 Ward, Hines WR-PIT #25

#94 6.14 Ginn, Ted WR-MIA #39

#126 8.14 Chambers, Chris WR-SDC #46

#163 11.03 Rice, Sidney WR-MIN #57

#222 14.14 Hill, Jason WR-SFO #77

#227 15.03 Clayton, Michael WR-TBB #78

#291 19.03 Arrington, "Yo" Adrian WR-NOS #90

#30 2.14 Gates, Antonio, Tony TE-SDC #3

#318 20.14 Finley, Jermichael TE-GBP #32

#254 16.14 Hartley, Garrett PK-NOS #18

#286 18.14 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA #25

#158 10.14 PIT DEF/ST #1

#190 12.14 BAL DEF/ST #3

4) Duke1948 (830)

#61 4.13 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU #10

#196 13.04 Rosenfelds, Sage QB-HOU #30

#285 18.13 McCowan, Luke QB-TBB #35

#04 1.04 Turner, Michael RB-ATL #3

#68 5.04 Stewart, Jonathan RB-CAR #24

#93 6.13 Moreno, Knowshon FA-RB #29; ROOKIE RB-#1

#157 10.13 Jones, Julius RB-SEA #53

#221 14.13 Fargas, JustinRB-OAK #64

#29 2.13 Bowe, Dwayne WR-KCC #13

#36 3.04 Houshmandzedeh, TJ WR-CIN #14

#125 8.13 Curtis, Kevin WR-PHI #45

#132 9.04 Gage, Justin WR-TEN #48

#164 11.04 Johnson, Bryant WR-SFO #58

#228 15.04 Burton, Keenan WR-STL #79

#317 20.13 Sweed, Limas WR-PIT #104

#100 7.04 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ #10

#253 16.13 Stover, Matt PK-BAL #17

#292 19.04 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA #26

#189 12.13 CHI DEF/ST #2

#260 17.04 WAS DEF/ST #26

5) Road Warriors (808)

#101 7.05 Delhomme, Jake QB-CAR #18

#133 9.05 Bulger, Mark QB-STL #27

#05 1.05 Williams, DeAngelo RB-CAR #4

#37 3.05 Bush, Reggie RB-NOS #18

#156 10.12 Morris, Sammy RB-NEP #52

#188 12.12 Torain, Ryan RB-DEN #60

#284 18.12 Buckhalter, Correll RB-PHI #75

#28 2.12 Welker, Wes WR-NEP #12

#69 5.05 Moss, Santana WR-WAS #26

#92 6.12 Coles, Laveraneus WR-NYJ #38

#124 8.12 Branch, Deon WR-SEA #44

#165 11.05 Jenkins, Michael WR-ATL #59

#229 15.05 Wade, Bobby WR-MIN #80

#316 20.12 Hackett, D.J. WR-JAC #103

#60 4.12 Winslow, Kellen TE-CLE #7

#220 14.12 Smith, L.J. TE-PHI #26

#252 16.12 Prater, Matt PK-DEN #16

#293 19.05 Janikowski, Sabastien PK-OAK #26

#197 13.05 TEN DEF/ST #6

#261 17.05 SEA DEF/ST #27

6) Abrecher (758)

#91 6.11 Garrard, David QB-JAC #16

#102 7.06 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN #19

#315 20.11 Young, Vince QB-NYG #38

#06 1.06 Forte, Matt RB-CHI #5

#70 5.06 Johnson, Larry RB-KCC #25

#123 8.11 Taylor, Chester RB-MIN #41

#198 13.06 Morris, Maurice FA-RB #63

#283 18.11 Betts, Ladell RB-WAS #74

#27 2.11 Colston, Marques WR-NOS #11

#38 3.06 Ocho Cinco, Chad WR-CIN #15

#134 9.06 Burleson, Nate WR-SEA #49

#155 10.11 TIMED OUT REP'L PICK Henderson, Devery WR-NOS #54

#166 11.06 Morgan, Josh WR-SFO #60

#294 19.06 Avant, Jason WR-PHI #91

#59 4.11 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU #6

#187 12.11 Pettigrew, Brandon FA-TE #23; ROOKIE TE-#1

#230 15.06 Bironas, Rob PK-TEN #2

#251 16.11 Folk, Nick PK-DAL #15

#219 14.11 NOS DEF/ST #22

#262 17.06 CIN DEF/ST #28

7) Gamma1210 (670)

#58 4.10 McNabb, Donovan QB-PHI #9

#122 8.10 Campbell, Jason QB-WAS #24

#07 1.07 Westbrook, Brian RB-PHI #6

#39 3.07 Jones, Thomas RB-NYJ #19

#103 7.07 Lewis, Jamal RB-CLE #32

#154 10.10 Mahroney, Lawrence RB-NEP #51

#26 2.10 Jennings, Greg WR-GBP #10

#71 5.07 Cotchery, Jerico WR-NYJ #27

#90 6.10 Burress, Plaxico WR-NYG #37

#295 19.07 Nicks, Hakeem FA-WR #92 ROOKIE WR-#4

#263 17.07 Thomas, Devin WR-JAC #85

#167 11.07 Bruce, Issac WR-SFO #61

#314 20.10 Robiskie, Brian FA-WR #102 ROOKIE WR-#6

#135 9.07 Shockey, Jeremy TE-NOS #15

#199 13.07 Watson, Ben TE-NEP #24

#250 16.10 Brown, Josh PK-STL #14

#282 18.10 Dawson, Phillip PK-CLE #24

#218 14.10 BUF DEF/ST #21

#231 15.07 JAC DEF/ST #25

8) Sigmund Bloom (658)

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2

#57 4.09 Smith, Kevin RB-DET #23

#104 7.08 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC #33

#121 8.09 Graham, Earnest RB-TBB #40

#153 10.09 Hillis, Peyton RB-DEN #50

#232 15.08 Jones, Greg RB-JAC #65

#313 20.08 Cobbs, Patrick RB-MIA #77[/color

#08 1.08 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU #2

#72 5.08 Gonzalez, Anthony WR-IND #28

#89 6.09 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI #36

#136 9.08 Hester, Devin WR-CHI #50

#168 11.08 Hixon, Domenik WR-NYG #62

#217 14.09 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC #76

#296 19.08 Heyward-Bey, Darrius FA-WR #93 ROOKIE WR-#5

#25 2.09 *Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC #2

#185 12.09 Lewis, Mercedes TE-JAC #22

#249 16.09 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI #13

#281 18.09 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB #23

#200 13.08 NYG DEF/ST #7

#264 17.08 STL DEF/ST #29

9) Glumpy (544)

#73 5.09 Manning, Eli QB-NYG #13

#88 6.08 Pennington, Chad QB-MIA #15

#09 1.09 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB-JAC #7

#56 4.08 McFadden, Darren RB-OAK #22

#105 7.09 McClain, LeRon RB-BAL #34

#184 12.08 Moore, Melwelde RB-PIT #59

#265 17.09 Green-Ellis, BenJarvis RB-GBP #68

#24 2.08 Boldin, Anquan WR-ARI #9

#41 3.09 Bryant, Antonio WR-TBB #16

#137 9.09 Harrison, Marvin WR-IND #51

#169 11.09 Randel El, Antwaan WR-WAS #63

#233 15.09 Northcutt, Dennis WR-JAC #81

#297 19.09 McDonald, Shaun WR-STL #94

#120 8.08 Shiancoe, Visanthe TE-MIN #14

#152 10.08 Boss, Kevin TE-NYG #18

#312 20.08 Martin, David TE-MIA #31

#248 16.08 Kasay, John PK-CAR #12

#280 18.08 Tynes, Lawrence PK-NYG #22

#201 13.09 GBP DEF/ST #8

#216 14.08 ATL DEF/ST #20

10) Nittanylion (509)

#42 3.10 Warner, Curt QB-ARI #3

#170 11.10 Collins, Kerry QB-CAR #29

#247 16.07 Leinhart, Matt QB-ARI #31

#87 6.07 Ward, Derrick RB-NYG #28

#106 7.10 Washington, Leon RB-NYJ #35

#138 9.10 Jackson, Fred RB-BUF #44

#183 12.07 James, Edgerrin RB-ARI #58

#266 17.10 Taylor, Fred FA-RB #69

#10 1.10 Smith, Steve WR-CAR #3

#55 4.07 Evans, Lee WR-BUF #21

#74 5.10 Walter, Kevin WR-HOU #29

#119 8.07 Smith, Steve WR-NYG #43

#279 18.07 Galloway, Joey WR-TBB #87

#298 19.10 Austin, Miles WR-DAL #95

#311 20.07 Doucet, Early WR-ARI #101

#23 2.07 Witten, Jason TE-DAL #1

#151 10.07 Fasano, AnthonyTE-MIA #19 TIME OUT REP'L PICK

#234 15.10 Rackers, Neil PK-ARI #3

#202 13.10 CAR DEF/ST #9

#215 14.07 HOU DEF/ST #19

11) Sinrman (XXX) Rep'l Hawkeyes 1972 at 9.11 pick

#54 4.06 Brady, Tom QB-NEP #8

#267 17.11 Culpepper, Dante QB-DET #33

#278 18.06 Stafford, Matthew FA-QB#34; Rookie QB-#1

#11 1.11 Johnson, Chris RB-TEN #8

#86 6.06 Parker, Willie RB-PIT #27

#139 9.11 Faulk, Kevin RB-NEP #48 #150 REPLACEMENT PICK TIME OUT

#150 10.06 Williams, Ricky RB-MIA #49

#246 16.06 Arrington, J.J. RB-ARI #66

#22 2.06 Wayne, Reggie WR-IND #8

#43 3.11 Owens, Terrell WR-DAL #17

#75 5.11 Jackson DeSean WR-PHI #30

#182 12.06 Reed, Josh WR-BUF #71

#171 11.11 Crayton, Patrick WR-DAL #64

#310 20.06 Williams, Reggie WR-JAC #100

#107 7.11 Celeck, Brent TE-PHI #11

#118 8.06 Miller, Heath TE-PIT #13

#235 15.11 Akers, Fred PK-PHI #4

#299 19.11 Nedney, Joe PK-SFO #27

#203 13.11 DAL DEF/ST #10

#214 14.06 MIA DEF/ST #18

12) Beachbum (280)

#53 4.05 Romo, Tony QB-DAL #7

#117 8.05 Cassell, Matt QB-NEP #23

#12 1.12 Slaton, Steve RB-HOU #9

#140 9.12 Rice, Ray RB-BAL #45

#149 10.05 Rhodes, Dom RB-IND #47

#181 12.05 Bradshaw, Ahmad RB-NYG #57

#21 2.05 White, Roddy WR-ATL #7

#44 3.12 Royal, Eddie WR-DEN #18

#85 6.05 Avery, Donnie WR-STL #35

#172 11.12 Meachan, Robert WR-NOS #65

#204 13.12 Nelson, Jordy WR-GBP #74

#309 20.05 Clowney, David WR-NYJ #99

#236 15.12 Gaffney, Jabar WR-NEP #82

#76 5.12 Olsen, Greg TE-CHI #8

#108 7.12 Miller, Zach TE-OAK #12

#245 16.05 Reed, Jeff PK-PIT #11

#277 18.05 Lindell, Rian PK-BUF #21

#300 19.12 Suisham, Shaun PK-WAS #28

#213 14.05 ARI DEF/ST #17

#268 17.12 DET DEF/ST #30

13) El Super Gringo (226)

#109 7.13 Orton, Kyle QB-CHI #20

#116 8.04 Hasselbeck, Matt QB-SEA #22

#13 1.13 Gore, Frank RB-SFO #10

#45 3.13 Thomas, Pierre RB-NOS #20

#52 4.04 Grant, Ryan RB-GBP #21

#148 10.04 Bush, Michael RB-OAK #46

#180 12.04 Brown, Donald FA-RB #56; ROOKIE RB-#5

#276 18.04 Peerman, Cedric FA-RB #73; ROOKIE RB-#7

#20 2.04 Marshall, Brandon WR-DEN #6

#77 5:13 Mason, Derrick WR-BAL #31

#84 6.04 Crabtree, Eric WR-FA #34; ROOKIE WR-#1

#173 11.13 Henry, Chris WR-CIN #66

#301 19.13 Shileen, Chaz WR-OAK #96

#308 20.04 Cribbs, Joshua WR-CLE #98

#141 9.13 Davis, Vernon TE-SFO #16

#269 17.13 Cook, Jared FA-TE #29: ROOKIE TE-#3

#237 15.13 Crosby, Mason PK-PHI #5

#244 16.04 Kaeding, Nate PK-SDC #10

#205 13.13 NEP DEF/ST #11

#212 14.04 SFO DEF/ST #16

14) Moe Green (106)

#51 4.03 Cutler, Jay QB-DEN #6

#115 8.03 Russell, JaMarcus QB-OAK #21

#14 1.14 Barber, Marion III RB-DAL #11

#78 5.14 Hightower, Tim RB-ARI #26

#110 7.14 Jones, Felix RB-DAL #36

#142 9.14 Choice, Tashard RB-DAL #46

#174 11.14 Charles, Jamaal RB-KCC #55

#307 20.03 Coffee, Glenn FA-RB #76; ROOKIE RB-#8

#19 2.03 Johnson, Calvin WR-DET #5

#83 6.03 Driver, Donald WR-GBP #33

#147 10.03 Camarillo, Greg WR-MIA #54

#179 12.03 Bradley, Mark WR-KCC #70

#275 18.03 Jones, Brandon WR-TEN #86

#302 19.14 Lloyd, Brandon WR-CHI #97

#46 3.14 Cooley, Chris TE-WAS #5

#211 14.03 Miller, Billy TE-NOS #25

#238 15.14 Longwell, Ryan PK-GBP #6

#243 16.03 Brown, Kris PK-HOU #9

#206 13.14 NYJ DEF/ST #12

#270 17.14 KCC DEF/ST #31

15) Ghost of Bill Walsh (568)

#50 4.02 Rogers, Aaron QB-GBP #5

#82 6.02 Ryan, Matt QB-ATL #14

#15 1.15 Portis, Clinton RB-WAS #12

#18 2.02 Lynch, Marshawn RB-BUF #14

#114 8.02 Mendenhall, Rashard RB-PIT #39

#146 10.02 Norwood, Jerious RB-NOS #45

#271 17.15 Jennings, Rashard FA-RB #70; ROOKIE RB-#6

#274 18.02 Ringer, Javon FA-RB #73; ROOKIE RB-#7

#47 3.15 Holmes, Santonio WR-PIT #19

#111 7.15 Jones, Matt WR-STL #42

#143 9.15 Muhammed, Mushin WR-CAR #52

#175 11.15 Washington, Nate WR-PIT #67

#207 13.15 Stokley, Brandon WR-DEN #75

#242 16.02 Walker, Mike WR-JAC #84

#79 5.15 Carlson, John TE-SEA #9

#178 12.02 Lee, Donald TE-GBP #21

#210 14.02 IND DEF/ST #15

#306 20.02 DEN DEF/ST #32

#239 15.15 Elam, Jason PK-ATL #7

#303 19.15 Barth, ConnorPK-KCC #29

16) FUBAR (98)

#49 4.01 Rivers, Phillip QB-SDC #4

#145 10.01 Hill, Shaun QB-SFO #28

#305 20.01 Ratliff, Brett QB-NYG #37

#16 1.16 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB-SDC #13

#112 7.16 Benson, Cedric RB-CIN #37

#113 8.01 McCoy, LeSean FA-RB #38 Rookie RB-#3

#272 17.16 Harrison, Jerome RB-CLE #71

#273 18.01 Duckett, T.J. RB-SEA #72

#17 2.01 Moss, Randy WR-NEP #4

#48 3.16 Edwards, Braylon WR-CLE #20

#81 6.01 Berrian, Bernard WR-MIN #32

#176 11.16 Caldwell, Andre, WR-CIN #68

#177 12.01 Jones, James WR-GBP #69

#240 15.15 Brown, Reggie WR-PHI #83

#80 5.16 Scheffler, Tony TE-DEN #10

#144 9.16 Heap, Todd TE-BAL #17

#241 16.01 Vinateri, Adam PK-IND #8

#304 19.16 Carney, Jim PK-NYG #30

#208 13.16 SDC DEF/ST #13

#209 14.01 TBB DEF/ST #14

II. WSL #4: How The Cookies Crumbled

A. Quarter Backs

#33 3.01 Brees, Drew QB-NOS #1

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2

#42 3.10 Warner, Curt QB-ARI #3

#49 4.01 Rivers, Phillip QB-SDC #4

#50 4.02 Rogers, Aaron QB-GBP #5

#51 4.03 Cutler, Jay QB-DEN #6

#53 4.05 Romo, Tony QB-DAL #7

#54 4.06 Brady, Tom QB-NEP #8

#58 4.10 McNabb, Donovan QB-PHI #9

#61 4.13 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU #10

#62 4.14 Rothlisberger, Ben QB-PIT #11

#66 5.02 Thigpen, Tyler QB-KCC #12

#73 5.09 Manning, Eli QB-NYG #13

#82 6.02 Ryan, Matt QB-ATL #14

#88 6.08 Pennington, Chad QB-MIA #15

#91 6.11 Garrard, David QB-JAC #16

#98 7.02 Flacco, Joe QB-BAL #17

#101 7.05 Delhomme, Jake QB-CAR #18

#102 7.06 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN #19

#109 7.13 Orton, Kyle QB-CHI #20

#115 8.03 Russell, JaMarcus QB-OAK #21

#116 8.04 Hasselbeck, Matt QB-SEA #22

#117 8.05 Cassell, Matt QB-NEP #23

#122 8.10 Campbell, Jason QB-WAS #24

#128 8.16 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE #25

#131 9.03 Edwards, Trent QB-BUF #26

#133 9.05 Bulger, Mark QB-STL #27

#145 10.01 Hill, Shaun QB-SFO #28

#170 11.10 Collins, Kerry QB-TEN #29

#196 13.04 Rosenfelds, Sage QB-HOU #30

#247 16.07 Leinhart, Matt QB-ARI #31

#259 17.03 Leftwitch, Byron QB-PIT #32

#267 17.11 Culpepper, Dante QB-DET #33

#278 18.06 Stafford, Matthew FA-QB#34; Rookie QB-#1

#285 18.13 McCowan, Luke QB-TBB #35

#290 19.02 Jackson, Tavaris QB-MIN #36

#305 20.01 Ratliff, Brett QB-NYG #37

#315 20.11 Young, Vince QB-NYG #38

B. Running Backs

#01 1.01 Peterson, Adrian RB-MIN #1

#03 1.03 Jackson, Steven RB-STL #2

#04 1.04 Turner, Michael RB-ATL #3

#05 1.05 Williams, DeAngelo RB-CAR #4

#06 1.06 Forte, Matt RB-CHI #5

#07 1.07 Westbrook, Brian RB-PHI #6

#09 1.09 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB-JAC #7

#11 1.11 Johnson, Chris RB-TEN #8

#12 1.12 Slaton, Steve RB-HOU #9

#13 1.13 Gore, Frank RB-SFO #10

#14 1.14 Barber, Marion III RB-DAL #11

#15 1.15 Portis, Clinton RB-WAS #12

#16 1.16 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB-SDC #13

#18 2.02 Lynch, Marshawn RB-BUF #14

#32 2.16 Jacobs, Brandon RB-NYG #15

#34 3.02 Brown, Ronnie RB-MIA #16

#35 3.03 Addai, Joseph RB-IND #17

#37 3.05 Bush, Reggie RB-NOS #18

#39 3.07 Jones, Thomas RB-NYJ #19

#45 3.13 Thomas, Pierre RB-NOS #20

#52 4.04 Grant, Ryan RB-GBP #21

#56 4.08 McFadden, Darren RB-OAK #22

#57 4.09 Smith, Kevin RB-DET #23

#68 5.04 Stewart, Jonathan RB-CAR #24

#70 5.06 Johnson, Larry RB-KCC #25

#78 5.14 Hightower, Tim RB-ARI #26

#86 6.06 Parker, Willie RB-PIT #27

#87 6.07 Ward, Derrick RB-NYG #28

#93 6.13 Moreno, Knowshon FA-RB #29; ROOKIE RB-#1

#96 6.16 White, LenDale RB-TEN #30

#99 7.03 Wells, Chris "Beanie" FA-RB #31; ROOKIE RB-#2

#103 7.07 Lewis, Jamal RB-CLE #32

#104 7.08 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC #33

#105 7.09 McClain, LeRon RB-BAL #34

#106 7.10 Washington, Leon RB-NYJ #35

#110 7.14 Jones, Felix RB-DAL #36

#112 7.16 Benson, Cedric RB-CIN #37

#113 8.01 McCoy, LeSean FA-RB #38 Rookie RB-#3

#114 8.02 Mendenhall, Rashard RB PIT #39

#121 8.09 Graham, Earnest RB-TBB #40

#123 8.11 Taylor, Chester RB-MIN #41

#129 9.01 McGahee, Willis RB-BAL #42

#130 9.02 Greene, Shonn FA-RB #43; ROOKIE RB-#4

#138 9.10 Jackson, Fred RB-BUF #44

#146 10.02 Norwood, Jerious RB-NOS #45

#148 10.04 Bush, Michael RB-OAK #46

#149 10.05 Rhodes, Dom RB-IND #47

#139 9.11 Faulk, Kevin RB-NEP #48 REPLACEMENT PICK

#150 10.06 Williams, Ricky RB-MIA #49

#153 10.09 Hillis, Peyton RB-DEN #50

#154 10.10 Mahroney, Lawrence RB-NEP #51

#156 10.12 Morris, Sammy RB-NEP #52

#157 10.13 Jones, Julius RB-SEA #53

#159 10.15 Ware, Danny RB-NYG #54

#174 11.14 Charles, Jamaal RB-KCC #55

#180 12.04 Brown, Donald FA-RB #56; ROOKIE RB-#5

#181 12.05 Bradshaw, Ahmad RB-NYG #57

#183 12.07 James, Edgerrin RB-ARI #58

#184 12.08 Moore, Melwelde RB-PIT #59

#188 12.12 Torain, Ryan RB-DEN #60

#194 13.02 Williams, Carnell RB-TBB #61

#195 13.03 Jackson, Brandon RB-GBP #62

#198 13.06 Morris, Maurice FA-RB #63

#221 14.13 Fargas, Justin RB-OAK #64

#232 15.08 Jones, Greg RB-JAC #65

#246 16.06 Arrington, J.J. RB-ARI #66

#255 16.15 Dunn, Warrick RB-TBB #67

#265 17.09 Green-Ellis, BenJarvis RB-GBP #68

#266 17.10 Taylor, Fred FA-RB #69

#271 17.15 Jennings, Rashard FA-RB #70; ROOKIE RB-#6

#272 17.16 Harrison, Jerome RB-CLE #71

#273 18.01 Duckett, T.J. RB-SEA #72

#274 18.02 Ringer, Javon FA-RB #73; ROOKIE RB-#7

#276 18.04 Peerman, Cedric FA-RB #74; ROOKIE RB-#8

#283 18.11 Betts, Ladell RB-WAS #75

#284 18.12 Buckhalter, Correll RB-PHI #76

#307 20.03 Coffee, Glenn FA-RB #77; ROOKIE RB-#9

#313 20.08 Cobbs, Patrick RB-MIA #78

#320 20.16 Jordan, Lamont RB-MIA #79

C. Wide Receivers

#02 1.02 Fitzgerald, Larry WR-ARI #1

#08 1.08 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU #2

#10 1.10 Smith, Steve WR-CAR #3

#17 2.01 Moss, Randy WR-NEP #4

#19 2.03 Johnson, Calvin WR-DET #5

#20 2.04 Marshall, Brandon WR-DEN #6

#21 2.05 White, Roddy WR-ATL #7

#22 2.06 Wayne, Reggie WR-IND #8

#24 2.08 Boldin, Anquan WR-ARI #9

#26 2.10 Jennings, Greg WR-GBP #10

#27 2.11 Colston, Marques WR-NOS #11

#28 2.12 Welker, Wes WR-NEP #12

#29 2.13 Bowe, Dwayne WR-KCC #13

#36 3.04 Houshmandzedeh, TJ WR-CIN #14

#38 3.06 Ocho Cinco, Chad WR-CIN #15

#41 3.09 Bryant, Antonio WR-TBB #16

#43 3.11 Owens, Terrell WR-DAL #17

#44 3.12 Royal, Eddie WR-DEN #18

#47 3.15 Holmes, Santonio WR-PIT #19

#48 3.16 Edwards, Braylon WR-CLE #20

#55 4.07 Evans, Lee WR-BUF #21

#63 4.15 Moore, Lance WR-NOS #22

#64 4.16 Jackson, Vincent WR-SDC #23

#65 5.01 Williams, Roy WR-DAL #24

#67 5.03 Ward, Hines WR-PIT #25

#69 5.05 Moss, Santana WR-WAS #26

#71 5:07 Cotchery, Jerico WR-NYJ #27

#72 5.08 Gonzalez, Anthony WR-IND #28

#74 5.10 Walter, Kevin WR-HOU #29

#75 5.11 Jackson DeSean WR-PHI #30

#77 5.13 Mason, Derrick WR-BAL #31

#81 6.01 Berrian, Bernard WR-MIN #32

#83 6.03 Driver, Donald WR-GBP #33

#84 6.04 Crabtree, Eric WR-FA #34; ROOKIE WR-#1

#85 6.05 Avery, Donnie WR-STL #35

#89 6.09 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI #36

#90 6.10 Burress, Plaxico WR-NYG #37

#92 6:12 Coles, Laveraneus WR-NYJ #38

#94 6.14 Ginn, Ted WR-MIA #39

#95 6.15 Clayton, Mark WR-BAL #40

#97 7.01 Holt, Torry WR-STL #41

#111 7.15 Jones, Matt WR-STL #42

#119 8.07 Smith, Steve WR-NYG #43

#124 8.12 Branch, Deon WR-SEA #44

#125 8.13 Curtis, Kevin WR-PHI #45

#126 8.14 Chambers, Chris WR-SDC #46

#127 8.15 Maclin, Jeremy FA-WR #47; ROOKIE WR-#2

#132 9.04 Gage, Justin WR-TEN #48

#134 9.06 Burleson, Nate WR-SEA #49

#136 9.08 Hester, Devin WR-CHI #50

#137 9.09 Harrison, Marvin WR-IND #51

#143 9.15 Muhammed, Mushin WR-CAR #52

#146 10.03 Camarillo, Greg WR-CAR #53

#155 10.11 TIMED OUT REP'L PICK Henderson, Devery WR-NOS #54

#161 11.01 Bess, Davonne WR-MIA #55

#162 11.02 Higgins, Johnny Lee WR-OAK #56

#163 11.03 Rice, Sidney WR-MIN #57

#164 11.04 Johnson, Bryant WR-SFO #58

#165 11.05 Jenkins, Michael WR-ATL #59

#166 11.06 Morgan, Josh WR-SFO #60

#167 11.07 Bruce, Issac WR-SFO #61

#168 11.08 Hixon, Domenik WR-NYG #62

#169 11.09 Randel El, Antwaan WR-WAS #63

#171 11.11 Crayton, Patrick WR-DAL #64

#172 11.12 Meachan, Robert WR-NOS #65

#173 11.13 Henry, Chris WR-CIN #66

#175 11.15 Washington, Nate WR-PIT #67

#176 11.16 Caldwell, Andre, WR-CIN #68

#177 12.01 Jones, James WR-GBP #69

#179 12.03 Bradley, Mark WR-KCC #70

#182 12.06 Reed, Josh WR-BUF #71

#186 12.10 Harvin, Percy WR-BUF #72 ROOKIE WR-#3

#193 13.01 Engram, Bobby WR-SEA #73

#204 13.12 Nelson, Jordy WR-GBP #74

#207 13.15 Stokley, Brandon WR-DEN #75

#217 14.09 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC #76

#222 14.14 Hill, Jason WR-SFO #77

#227 15.03 Clayton, Michael WR-TBB #78

#228 15.04 Burton, Keenan WR-STL #79

#229 15.05 Wade, Bobby WR-MIN #80

#233 15.09 Northcutt, Dennis WR-JAC #81

#236 15.12 Gaffney, Jabar WR-NEP #82

#240 15.15 Brown, Reggie WR-PHI #83

#242 16.02 Walker, Mike WR-JAC #84

#263 17.07 Thomas, Devin WR-JAC #85

#275 18.03 Jones, Brandon WR-TEN #86

#279 18.07 Galloway, Joey WR-TBB #87

#287 18.15 Urban, Jerhemy WR-ARI #88

#289 19.01 Simpson, Jerome WR-CIN #89

#291 19.03 Arrington, "Yo" Adrian WR-NOS #90

#294 19.06 Avant, Jason WR-PHI #91

#295 19.07 Nicks, Hakeem FA-WR #92 ROOKIE WR-#4

#296 19.08 Heyward-Bey, Darrius FA-WR #93 ROOKIE WR-#5

#297 19.09 McDonald, Shaun WR-STL #94

#298 19.10 Austin, Miles WR-DAL #95

#301 19.13 Shileen, Chaz WR-OAK #96

#302 19.14 Lloyd, Brandon WR-CHI #97

#308 20.04 Cribbs, Joshua WR-CLE #98

#309 20.05 Clowney, David WR-NYJ #99

#310 20.06 Williams, Reggie WR-JAC #100

#311 20.07 Doucet, Early WR-ARI #101

#314 20.10 Robiskie, Brian FA-WR #102 ROOKIE WR-#6

#316 20.12 Hackett, D.J. WR-JAC #103

#317 20.13 Sweed, Limas WR-PIT #104

D. Tight Receivers

(We don't draft 'um for their blocking ability; except for Vernon Davis, who's reputation as "the best blocker in the game" preceeds him wherever he goes.)

#23 2.07 Witten, Jason TE-DAL #1

#25 2.09 *Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC #2

#30 2.14 Gates, Antonio, Tony TE-SDC #3

#31 2.15 Clark, Dallas TE-IND #4

#46 3.14 Cooley, Chris TE-WAS #5

#59 4.11 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU #6

#60 4.12 Winslow, Kellen TE-CLE #7

#76 5.12 Olsen, Greg TE-CHI #8

#79 5.15 Carlson, John TE-SEA #9

#80 5.16 Scheffler, Tony TE-DEN #10

#100 7.04 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ #10

#107 7.11 Celeck, Brent TE-PHI #11

#108 7.12 Miller, Zach TE-OAK #12

#118 8.06 Miller, Heath TE-PIT #13

#120 8.08 Shiancoe, Visanthe TE-MIN #14

#135 9.07 Shockey, Jeremy TE-NOS #15

#141 9.13 Davis, Vernon TE-SFO #16

#144 9.16 Heap, Todd TE-BAL #17

#152 10.08 Boss, Kevin TE-NYG #18

#151 10.07 TIME OUT Fasano, Anthony TE-MIA #19

#160 10.16 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN #20

#178 12.02 Lee, Donald TE-GBP #21

#185 12.09 Lewis, Mercedes TE-JAC #22

#187 12.11 Pettigrew, Brandon FA-TE #23; ROOKIE TE-#1

#199 13.07 Watson, Ben TE-NEP #24

#211 14.03 Miller, Billy TE-NOS #25

#220 14.12 Smith, L.J. TE-PHI #26

#225 15.01 McMichael, Randy TE-TBB #27

#258 17.02 Casey, James FA-TE #28: ROOKIE TE-#2

#269 17.13 Cook, Jared FA-TE #29: ROOKIE TE-#3

#288 18.16 Clark, Desmond TE-CHI #30

#312 20.08 Martin, David TE-MIA #31

#318 20.14 Finley, Jermichael TE-GBP #32

#319 20.15 Bennett, Martellus TE-DAL #33

D. DEF/ST

#158 10.14 PIT DEF/ST #1

#189 12.13 CHI DEF/ST #2

#190 12.14 BAL DEF/ST #3

#191 12.15 PHI DEF/ST #4

#192 12.16 MIN DEF/ST #5

#197 13.05 TEN DEF/ST #6

#200 13.08 NYG DEF/ST #7

#201 13.09 GBP DEF/ST #8

#202 13.10 CAR DEF/ST #9

#203 13.11 DAL DEF/ST #10

#205 13.13 NEP DEF/ST #11

#206 13.14 NYJ DEF/ST #12

#208 13.16 SDC DEF/ST #13

#209 14.01 TBB DEF/ST #14

#210 14.02 IND DEF/ST #15

#212 14.04 SFO DEF/ST #16

#213 14.05 ARI DEF/ST #17

#214 14.06 MIA DEF/ST #18

#215 14.07 HOU DEF/ST #19

#216 14.08 ATL DEF/ST #20

#218 14.10 BUF DEF/ST #21

#219 14.11 NOS DEF/ST #22

#223 14.15 OAK DEF/ST #23

#224 14.16 CLE DEF/ST #24

#231 15.07 JAC DEF/ST #25

#260 17.04 WAS DEF/ST #26

#261 17.05 SEA DEF/ST #27

#262 17.06 CIN DEF/ST #28

#264 17.08 STL DEF/ST #29

#268 17.12 DET DEF/ST #30

#270 17.14 KCC DEF/ST #31

#306 20.02 DEN DEF/ST #32

E. Place Kickers

#226 15.02 Gostkowski, Stephen, PK-NEP #1

#230 15.06 Bironas, Rob PK-TEN #2

#234 15.10 Rackers, Neil PK-ARI #3

#235 15.11 Akers, Fred PK-PHI #4

#237 15.13 Crosby, Mason PK-PHI #5

#238 15.14 Longwell, Ryan PK-GBP #6

#239 15.15 Elam, Jason PK-ATL #7

#241 16.01 Vinateri, Adam PK-IND #8

#243 16.03 Brown, Kris PK-HOU #9

#244 16.04 Kaeding, NatePK-SDC #10

#245 16.05 Reed, Jeff PK-PIT #11

#248 16.08 Kasay, John PK-CAR #12

#249 16.09 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI #13

#250 16.10 Brown, Josh PK-STL #14

#251 16.11 Folk, Nick PK-DAL #15

#252 16.12 Prater, Matt PK-DEN #16

#253 16.13 Stover, Matt PK-BAL #17

#254 16.14 Hartley, Garrett PK-NOS #18

#256 16.16 Graham, Shayne PK-CIN #19

#257 17.01 Hanson, Jason PK-DET #20

#277 18.05 Lindell, Rian PK-BUF #21

#280 18.08 Tynes, Lawrence PK-NYG #22

#281 18.09 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB #23

#282 18.10 Dawson, Phillip PK-CLE #24

#286 18.14 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA #25

#293 19.05 Janikowski, Sabastien PK-OAK #26

#299 19.11 Nedney, Joe PK-SFO #27

#300 19.12 Suisham, Shaun PK-WAS #28

#303 19.15 Barth, ConnorPK-KCC #29

#304 19.16 Carney, Jim PK-NYG #30

 
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Let me be the first to sayI love your start Fubar. Great picks IMO
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:confused: I'm really not sure about Tomlinson moving forward, but I figure he has a good chance of being a top 10 RB this year, though he has the risk of falling apart. Almost feels like I'm living in the past, but we'll see.
 
FUBAR said:
Crippler said:
Let me be the first to sayI love your start Fubar. Great picks IMO
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:hifive: I'm really not sure about Tomlinson moving forward, but I figure he has a good chance of being a top 10 RB this year, though he has the risk of falling apart. Almost feels like I'm living in the past, but we'll see.
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I like the picks too. I really like the value at the end of round 1/ start of round 2
 
Damn, I decide to jump in and take the 1.15 spot and geez. Youse guys are takin' all the good players. By the time my next pick rolls around I may be forced to bring Jim Thorpe and Otto Graham outta retirement. :lmao:

Let me correct that since I'm a Niners fan. I'll have to bring Joe Montana and Jerry Rice outta retirement :thumbup:

 
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Crippler said:
Your all a bunch of WR whores and I hate you all. Now on to Plan D
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That was to be expected IMO. So I almost went WR/WR at the turn and wait for some good value RBs to fall to the end of the 3rd.
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No it was not because in the rest of the drafts I would have had Boldin or Jennings. Just you people :unsure:
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WR's and TE's being a total reflection of the PPR scoring system. Bush, and his knee....be interesting to see how far he falls....to somebody as a RB-#2.We don't play this out so it's a total risk reduction program....as it would be if we did....I guess? :thumbup:


 
I went back and forth on Bush to Addai, 3 times putting both names in my thread before I pulled the trigger. Not surprised to see Bush go not long afterwards.

 
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I went back and forth on Bush to Addai, 3 times putting both names in my thread before I pulled the trigger. Not surprised to see Bush go not long afterwards.
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I'm nervous going with Bush, but his upside in PPR is too great to overlook. If he can go all year, he'll be a steal in the 3rd.
 
Has any veteran receiver gone up the charts faster than Antonio Bryant? Last year's afterthought, this year a WR1. Wow!

 
Road Warriors said:
Has any veteran receiver gone up the charts faster than Antonio Bryant? Last year's afterthought, this year a WR1. Wow!
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I liked him at 3.09; nice as a WR2. Was debating between him and Thomas Jones, actually--but Gamma took care of that problem!
 
nittanylion said:
3.10 Kurt Warner, QB Cardinals Swinging for the fences... the straw that stirs the drink just HAS to be back...DOESN'T HE???If so, a virtual lock for 30+ six points per TDP...
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Now we're rockin!! Can't win without a gamble here and there... :moneybag:
 
Debated with Jones vs. Manning, but I have never taken a QB in the top three rounds in one of these. Curious what direction Bloom would have gone if Manning was off the board.

 
Toads said:
glumpy said:
nittanylion said:
3.10 Kurt Warner, QB Cardinals

Swinging for the fences... the straw that stirs the drink just HAS to be back...DOESN'T HE???

If so, a virtual lock for 30+ six points per TDP...
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Now we're rockin!! Can't win without a gamble here and there... :bag:
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Are we playing this out?How does one "win" this competition?

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Yup, these are played out. Twilight runs a board that keeps track of all the various SL's, and if you are lucky, you 'win' bragging rights.Here is twilight's link to 2008 SL's

http://ffplace.com/

 
I was interested to see where Santionio Holmes was going to go in our draft. I think all the other WSL's had Santonio drafted pre-sb and he went @ 5.03, 5.10 & 5.12. In ours he went @ 3.15. Looks like his super bowl performance bumped him up a solid round and a half.

 
Well he was going higher than any of the others before the SB. In my pre plan which has been shot to hell anyways, I had him penciled in at the 4.14.

 
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I was interested to see where Santionio Holmes was going to go in our draft. I think all the other WSL's had Santonio drafted pre-sb and he went @ 5.03, 5.10 & 5.12. In ours he went @ 3.15. Looks like his super bowl performance bumped him up a solid round and a half.
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As it should. Only problem is PIT's up and down curve at WR. If they get a lead, they sit down and the air comes out of the ball.

For this reason, Holmes will never be a #1 WR but he's a solid #2-1/2 WR.....drafted where he belongs.

If the truth be known, Rogers-Cromartie biting up on the fake in the flat allowed a 40+ yard completion to Holmes on that last SB drive. That play made Holmes look real good because of his returner skills in the open field. If R-C stays home and covers Holmes, it's a 10 yard completion and the SB is still a contest.....and Holmes is still a late 4th/early 5th rounder.

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Debated with Jones vs. Manning, but I have never taken a QB in the top three rounds in one of these. Curious what direction Bloom would have gone if Manning was off the board.
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Probably Rodgers. I was planning on going QB because I don't want to have to cobble together a QBBC in a 16 teamer when I have to wait 14 and 16 slots between picks. If my picks were bunched closer I would have been fine with that. There were 4-5 QBs that would allow me to not have to worry too much about QB2, and I was planning on spending my 3rd on one of them regardless - it was icing on the cake that Manning fell.
 
Well yeah,I probably took Holmes earlier than I should. I was gonna take Braylon Edwards but thought here would be there coming back to me but didn't turn out that way. I didn't like a whole lot of the receivers left after so many were already gobbled up, so I guess I'll just take my chances with Holmes. I still think he'll be the Steelers leading receiver this year. We can speculate all we want, he'll either work out for me or not. His reception total sucked last year(55) but I think that'll increase at least 15 more. His yardage total should increase to at least 1,000 I'm hoping and with that maybe a couple of more td's.He won't be the only receiver I'm counting on. I got a couple of guys I think will surprise and hopefully they'll slide to me. I just think some of the other receivers had question marks I didn't like and I think Holmes has some upside. At 6 pts. a td I went ahead and took Rogders because I didn't like what might be available for me at QB 28 picks from now. No QB at that point would give me the production Rodgers would. Talent goes pretty quick with 16 teams and sometimes you gotta take chances. Some may not agree with where I took Holmes but I don't think he was that bad of a pick. We'll know by season's end. Hey whaddya want, I'm just a guy that took over a spot that was holdin' things up a bit,LOL. Kinda on short notice. I'll make up for it in the later rounds :lmao: Sign me up for the next one so I can correct any mistakes from this one. :popcorn:

 
Ghost of Bill Walsh said:
Well yeah,I probably took Holmes earlier than I should. I was gonna take Braylon Edwards but thought here would be there coming back to me but didn't turn out that way. I didn't like a whole lot of the receivers left after so many were already gobbled up, so I guess I'll just take my chances with Holmes. I still think he'll be the Steelers leading receiver this year. We can speculate all we want, he'll either work out for me or not. His reception total sucked last year(55) but I think that'll increase at least 15 more. His yardage total should increase to at least 1,000 I'm hoping and with that maybe a couple of more td's.He won't be the only receiver I'm counting on. I got a couple of guys I think will surprise and hopefully they'll slide to me. I just think some of the other receivers had question marks I didn't like and I think Holmes has some upside. At 6 pts. a td I went ahead and took Rogders because I didn't like what might be available for me at QB 28 picks from now. No QB at that point would give me the production Rodgers would. Talent goes pretty quick with 16 teams and sometimes you gotta take chances. Some may not agree with where I took Holmes but I don't think he was that bad of a pick. We'll know by season's end. Hey whaddya want, I'm just a guy that took over a spot that was holdin' things up a bit,LOL. Kinda on short notice. I'll make up for it in the later rounds :thumbup: Sign me up for the next one so I can correct any mistakes from this one. :lmao:
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FWIW, I thought it was a fine pick and was between Holmes, Braylon, and another WR yet to be drafted (no name dropping). In this format, Holmes could be very good as long as you have other solid WRs. I like the kid and own him in a few leagues. He's probably a young Joey Galloway, big play WR. Too bad the Steelers have a great D, or he'd produce even more.
 
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Well yeah,I probably took Holmes earlier than I should. I was gonna take Braylon Edwards but thought here would be there coming back to me but didn't turn out that way. I didn't like a whole lot of the receivers left after so many were already gobbled up, so I guess I'll just take my chances with Holmes. I still think he'll be the Steelers leading receiver this year. We can speculate all we want, he'll either work out for me or not. His reception total sucked last year(55) but I think that'll increase at least 15 more. His yardage total should increase to at least 1,000 I'm hoping and with that maybe a couple of more td's.He won't be the only receiver I'm counting on. I got a couple of guys I think will surprise and hopefully they'll slide to me. I just think some of the other receivers had question marks I didn't like and I think Holmes has some upside. At 6 pts. a td I went ahead and took Rogders because I didn't like what might be available for me at QB 28 picks from now. No QB at that point would give me the production Rodgers would. Talent goes pretty quick with 16 teams and sometimes you gotta take chances. Some may not agree with where I took Holmes but I don't think he was that bad of a pick. We'll know by season's end. Hey whaddya want, I'm just a guy that took over a spot that was holdin' things up a bit,LOL. Kinda on short notice. I'll make up for it in the later rounds :thumbup: Sign me up for the next one so I can correct any mistakes from this one. :lmao:
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I don't know that you took Holmes to early, probably about right. My earlier comments had more to do with the fact that I KNEW he'd have some upward movement from the prior WSL's because they were pre-SB. I was curious how much that movement would be, and a round and a half seems reasonable, I guess.
 
Is there some reason that the WSL #4: Mockin' Is Rockin' thread (our draft thread) can't be used to draft all 20 rounds?
 
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Is there some reason that the WSL #4: Mockin' Is Rockin' thread (our draft thread) can't be used to draft all 20 rounds?
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I think many use mobile devices to keep up with the draft/make picks and the long threads may take much longer to load/view. Just a guess.
 
Going to start to get interesting now with a lot of the stars and named players outta the way.Still a lotta good players to be had but some may go elsewhere and we don't know how they'll perform. Some coming off injuries and are they going to be healthy.Some Fa's and contract players that could impact their production depending onthe team they end up on.This starts the part of the draft where there are going to be a lot of variables and questions to consider, and the one ones who can correctly answer those are gonna be the ones ending up with good picks that were not thought of as such otherwise. May be some sleepers out there to be had as well and where do you take them.Yep fellows,time to put on the old thinking cap now to make sure you're getting value and the right pick for you're team. Speaking of thinking caps I better check the batteries in mine as I wouldn't won't it to go blank right when I'm picking. :loco:

One factor I forgot is we're drafting and we don't know what the Bye weeks will be, so we're basically drafting blind. I'm sure once the draft is over there'll be a couple of by weeks issue,I just hope it ain't my team,lol. Still we're all in the same boat with bye weeks and we just gotta hope for the best.

After scanning the draft it looks like a who's who of FBG's members in this draft. I've been around the message boards a few years, mainly as DocNiner, and I recognize all the names in this draft. I also know there's no dummies in this draft and I'm going to have to be on my 'A' game throughout the draft. I know you guys are very FF knowledgable and you're not gonna let guys slip by or make any major missteps.So, that being said I will appeal to your emotional side and to be gentle with me. I've had some major health issues the last few years, which are pretty stable right now,but feel like I'm pre-oldtimers disease :lmao: ,whick makes me tend to forget shiot. So take pity on this old declining mind :confused: and leave me a couple of good players to draft as my short term memory's about as long as you know what,until my nurse comes to the house 3 times a week for her hand grab duties, I mean rehab duties :mellow: Ahhhh,the benefits of good health insurance.

 
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5.02 pick: Thigpen, Tyler QB-KCC

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interesting pick....considering who is still left on the board and the fact that KC might draft a QB.....i personally think Thigpen played well enough to get a long look at keeping the job, but with the new regime in town one never knows.
 
Ghost of Bill Walsh said:
Going to start to get interesting now with a lot of the stars and named players outta the way.Still a lotta good players to be had but some may go elsewhere and we don't know how they'll perform. Some coming off injuries and are they going to be healthy.Some Fa's and contract players that could impact their production depending onthe team they end up on.This starts the part of the draft where there are going to be a lot of variables and questions to consider, and the one ones who can correctly answer those are gonna be the ones ending up with good picks that were not thought of as such otherwise. May be some sleepers out there to be had as well and where do you take them.Yep fellows,time to put on the old thinking cap now to make sure you're getting value and the right pick for you're team. Speaking of thinking caps I better check the batteries in mine as I wouldn't won't it to go blank right when I'm picking. :doh:One factor I forgot is we're drafting and we don't know what the Bye weeks will be, so we're basically drafting blind. I'm sure once the draft is over there'll be a couple of by weeks issue,I just hope it ain't my team,lol. Still we're all in the same boat with bye weeks and we just gotta hope for the best.After scanning the draft it looks like a who's who of FBG's members in this draft. I've been around the message boards a few years, mainly as DocNiner, and I recognize all the names in this draft. I also know there's no dummies in this draft and I'm going to have to be on my 'A' game throughout the draft. I know you guys are very FF knowledgable and you're not gonna let guys slip by or make any major missteps.So, that being said I will appeal to your emotional side and to be gentle with me. I've had some major health issues the last few years, which are pretty stable right now,but feel like I'm pre-oldtimers disease :unsure: ,whick makes me tend to forget shiot. So take pity on this old declining mind :shrug: and leave me a couple of good players to draft as my short term memory's about as long as you know what,until my nurse comes to the house 3 times a week for her hand grab duties, I mean rehab duties :goodposting: Ahhhh,the benefits of good health insurance.
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No mercy!!! ;)This is my favorite part of the draft. Moreso in dynasty leagues, but even in redraft. The first few rounds, we can pretty much guess who will go when, within a few picks anyway, without many surprises. Strategy may come into play, but the players themselves are pretty easy to judge. Now, there are risks, rewards, differing opinions, and favoritism come into play more. We'll have picks go a round or three earlier than each of us may personally have chosen that player (ahem, Tyler Thigpen) but we can sound very stupid if we rip on any of the picks, as they could be great picks in a year. For example, I was ripped for my WR corps last year - yet it's why I "won" this thing. Good times, let's roll.
 
Duke1948 said:
Toads said:
5.02 pick: Thigpen, Tyler QB-KCC

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Interesting pick....considering who is still left on the board and the fact that KC might draft a QB.....i personally think Thigpen played well enough to get a long look at keeping the job, but with the new regime in town one never knows.
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I did a fair amount of messing to come up with that pick. In the end analysis, it came down to seeing him play twice.....catching the first game feeds because I'm in the second game time zone and KCC often plays in the early game.I was able to coroborate my observations with the sorts; ever sort came up with Thigpen as at least a top 10 QB. The year end sorts had him riding about the #6QB. The thing from the sorts that stood out was his willingness to punch the ball in around the goal line....three short rushing TD's, and a respectable red zone rating. He wasn't particulary accurate as a thrower in the RZ....he wasn't Manning, Peyton....but he was respectable there.

Todd Haley's hire was the tipping point. He's got a good OFF reputation and should make for a real upgade in their OFF system. KCC was knocked league wide (PFW, in particular) for running no better than a college level OFF. With Haley and Poli, KCC will take a while to adjust to the new system. Once they do, it will be interesting to see what type of numbers this system will put up.

As to KCC drafting a new QB....we'll see. I took that into consideration. I just didn't feel that QB was where KCC had to go in the draft. They've got a long process to bring that club back to respectabilityu and QB is not their biggest need. The NEP outfit that spawned this partnership (Poli/Haley) has a history of drafting and developing QB's from the later rounds of the draft.

In the end analysis, I sprung because I didn't feel that any of the options had the up-side that Thigpen had and I didn't feel that he'd be available, givien the developments in KCC, at what basically amounts to 30 picks later. Drafting in the spots close to the curve is a blessing....in a twelve owner draft. In a sixteen teamer, it's a hassel. Thirty picks is a long field of vision.

There are still some decent options at QB and a couple of other decent options at the other positions for this #4-#5 turn. To have any shot in this "Total Score by Position" format, you have to have a consistent scoring option at your #1QB. This turn yielded the #12 QB and Thigpen has the stats, the coaching and the system upgrade to support a top ten to top six QB rating.

....and he's there, now; so I had to take him, now.

What will be super interesting is to go at season's end and see where the points came from and where the point producers came from in each of these WSL Drafts. The early drafts (#1-4) have a different information curve about them. If you could have forcasted in January that Haley and Poli were going to be the team in KCC, well you would have had Thigpen rated as a #1 QB in a 16-teamer, even a #1 QB in a twelve teamer. As it was, each of those Drafts had Thigpen falling later, maybe even as a #2 QB?

The other thing that's apparent is that the decision we make in the early rounds influences our later round choices....which is part of the reason we spend time Mockin'. When I yielded to the scoring system and took Dallas Clark at the 2:15, I did so because I was curious as to what would happen with the QB's for the next 30 odd some picks. When I took Fitzgerald at the 1.02, it was to see what options presented themselves at RB come the next turn. What happens is that you trade the points above the average for your #1 RB chosen as the second pick for the points above the average for your #1 WR chosen as the second pick....and, you don't have the injury history at WR that you have at RB. I had Westbrook as the #2 RB but wasn't entirely sold on his age/injury risk factor.

You also trade Fitz's points above average for what amounts to an average RB at the #2-#3 turn. The RB having some upside helps a bunch....if Ronnie Brown stays health, (blah, blah, blah) he has the up-side to be a better than average RB.....a TD back in a PPR League.....basically a push at the #18 RB spot.

Last year's #1 RB (DeAngelo Williams in non-PPR) was drafted at about the #34 RB slot going all the way through late August. If we could have all forseen the forces that were acting, we'd have all taken Williams in evey draft. Remember....he was there, all you had to do was choose him.

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i agree with what you said, just trying to stir the pot a little. :goodposting: just not sure i would have been able to pull the trigger.

As to KCC drafting a new QB....we'll see. I took that into consideration. I just didn't feel that QB was where KCC had to go in the draft. They've got a long process to bring that club back to respectabilityu and QB is not their biggest need. The NEP outfit that spawned this partnership (Poli/Haley) has a history of drafting and developing QB's from the later rounds of the draft.
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i own thigpen in several dynasty's and i certainly hope they don't draft a QB early as it will make some other QB i own expendable. not sure i agree with all the talking heads on the stafford to det/sanchez to KC....lthese teams could do alot better for themselves(IMHO) by taking those big OT and let someone else take the QBs.
 
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Duke1948 said:
i agree with what you said, just trying to stir the pot a little. :hophead: just not sure i would have been able to pull the trigger.

As to KCC drafting a new QB....we'll see. I took that into consideration. I just didn't feel that QB was where KCC had to go in the draft. They've got a long process to bring that club back to respectabilityu and QB is not their biggest need. The NEP outfit that spawned this partnership (Poli/Haley) has a history of drafting and developing QB's from the later rounds of the draft.
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i own thigpen in several dynasty's and i certainly hope they don't draft a QB early as it will make some other QB i own expendable. not sure i agree with all the talking heads on the stafford to det/sanchez to KC....lthese teams could do alot better for themselves(IMHO) by taking those big OT and let someone else take the QBs.
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You don't have to "Own Him Here....and Hope."I get to do that.

As to pulling the trigger: I was convinced that he wouldn't be there after the next 30 picks fell and I was convined that he was the best QB option available....and, you gotta have a QB's in these deals. Once you convince yourself, you pull the trigger.

Simple.

That's why we do this: to play out these scenarios early and make hay late.

Heck: Ward, Hines just fell as the #25 WR. That's probably a good risk at that point....but, time will tell. He's there for a reason.....that's the reason of shared perception. We all agree that he's not the same receiver as he was before he 1) aged, and 2) started the injury curve. He's a HOF possession receiver on a team that targets him often....a good risk.

I passed on him to take the upside risk on Moore....who has the potential of playing for another team as a UFA....upside vs. risk. It's the same equation for evey choice.

Remember: we all could have drafted Williams, DeAngelo last year....his ADP was the #34 RB....shared perception is a often times a killer.


 
My pick is 10 picks from now so whenI get a pm that's it's my pick bear with me. My scooter's in the shop gettin upgraded by Tim Taylor for maximum effiency and I gotta pick it up.That's fine as long as I don't end up in the emergency room,lol. Pam Anderson has agreed to ride along home with me to make sure I get there safe and sound.Her seat is in front of mine. She said once we arrive I could help her debrie allthe bugs from the headlights, all 3 of them :)

 
I was really hoping Cotchery was going to fall to 5.08, he's been by BWRA for a little while now, but alas... Im not a huge fan of doubling up on any team/attack this early, but I think AGonz role increases greatly next year, and Im figuring on a few weeks when he and Peyton double-handedly keep me alive.

 
Duke1948 said:
No idea what to expect from this guy.5.06 Larry Johnson, RB, KC(?)
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nice value...would have drafted him last round if i didn't have Bowe....hope Stewart has a repeat. :thumbup:
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:thumbdown: he would have been my 5.16 pick - I would have loved having LJ and LT. He may not ever be the RB he was, but he should be a good value here.
 
Some serious "valya" picks in the mid-sixth round: Parker, Burress, Breaston.

Interesting stuff. :goodposting:

 
Toads said:
Some serious "valya" picks in the mid-sixth round: Parker, Burress, Breaston.

Interesting stuff. :sadbanana:
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;) I like Breastson as much as anyone, and Plax could be good, but I'm not ready to call either a true value pick here. FWP has risk, but should pay off.
 
FUBAR said:
Toads said:
Some serious "valya" picks in the mid-sixth round: Parker, Burress, Breaston.

Interesting stuff. :lmao:
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:no: I like Breastson as much as anyone, and Plax could be good, but I'm not ready to call either a true value pick here. FWP has risk, but should pay off.
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I think Parker was a value pick as I don't think there is much doubt he will be the starter next season and should still get more then 50% of the work by the end even if others eat into his time.Breaston and Plax were more high risk but the reward is top-10 potential for either

 
I like Breaston because he has a floor of about 65/800 even if Boldin returns, and a much higher (top 10-15) ceiling if Boldin gets traded. Ability is not a question, and you know LFitz is going to garner more attention from the defense than ever. The only real risk is that Warner retires, but I think that's <10%.

 
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I like Breaston because he has a floor of about 65/800 even if Boldin returns, and a much higher (top 10-15) ceiling if Boldin gets traded. Ability is not a question, and you know LFitz is going to garner more attention from the defense than ever. The only real risk is that Warner retires, but I think that's <10%.
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I really think that Warner is more than 50% to retire at this point. have to wait and see what GOD says :thumbup:
 
Gamma1210 said:
FUBAR said:
Toads said:
Some serious "valya" picks in the mid-sixth round: Parker, Burress, Breaston.

Interesting stuff. :thumbup:
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:shrug: I like Breastson as much as anyone, and Plax could be good, but I'm not ready to call either a true value pick here. FWP has risk, but should pay off.
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I think Parker was a value pick as I don't think there is much doubt he will be the starter next season and should still get more then 50% of the work by the end even if others eat into his time.Breaston and Plax were more high risk but the reward is top-10 potential for either
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These "tarnished halo" guys are all available because of some blot on their ink stain.....similar to Steve Smith several year's ago when he missed some major time and came back to lead the League's WR's the next year.Parker is probably in the same bucket as Smith, a high up-side player returning from injury. The good news is that we're spotting these players now in the draft cycle and we'll be able to follow their rise, assent or leveling off as we proceed to draft time. If Parker maintains this type of ADP, it's worth knowing the range to trade into (pick #86) to snabble him up.

I'd estimate that a regular draft (no 2-PPR for TE's) would move Parker into the pick #75-#80 range. In a twelve teamer, that's mid to early 7th round, which probably translates to the turn at #72. I doubt of Parker makes it to the turn at #84 in that type of draft....that's #3-1/2 to #4 RB territory.

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I home from the hospital. Sorry for all the hoo-ha. I was scared though. I had my esophagus dilated on 2/2 because of swallowing(motility ) problems. 12th time I've had it done. Shoulda known something was bound to happen. Dilations can cause a tear or rupture of the esophagus rarely and if left undetected can lead to death.I was having sharp chest pains at the bottom of the sternum. Well, I went through 2 CT scans and a barium swallow but showed no tear or rupture.Kept me on IV antibiotics, fluids plus meds and monitired me in the hospital a couple of days. I wasn't able to eat soft food until today so they let me go. The only good thing while I was in there from Sunday until this afternoon was 4mg of Dilaudid(pain med) by IV every 4 hrs.That kept me pretty chilly and mellow to say the least,wooooo!! I still have some ongoing med problems so ,God forbid, if anything else happens and you don't see me around hopefully Toads and/or Glumpy can pick for me. I'll get a pm to them, or anyone who would take one, as soon as anything would happen and a list of players if possible but I trust their's and anyone else's judgement. Many thanks to Toads for doing what he did and taking care of it for me on such short notice :bow: . I appreciate you're help very much Toads. He's exactly one of the reasons I wanted in this draft when I seen the list of people involved in. I recognized everyone by name and knew the draft was filled with 1st class people :thumbup: . I may not post alot but I'm always checkin' in at FBG's. Shouldn't be any more trouble with my picks unless I'm laid up with a 21 y.o. playboy model somewhere and don't have internet access, :whistle: Two chances of that happening. Slim and none and Slim just left town. VERY,VERY glad to be back guys after this scare and I'll be around should anyone need my help. Many thanks to all of you for a really good draft. I'm enjoying it. If you guys should do another one after this please keep me in mind for it. Once again many thanks for pickin' up my slack and all the concern you guys shared for me.There's so much more to life than FF and you guyshere have certainly showed that and should be proud of yourselves :clap: . Great bunch of guys we have here at FBG's period!!! OK, now leave me some good players dangit :=)

 
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Glad to hear you're clear of the hospital. Good luck on that playboy model thing. We're all pulling for you.

I'm online pretty much all the time, and can take a PM if you do need it again.

 
Now that my rounds 5 & 6 picks have been corrected and updated I have deleted all my unecessary posts from the rounds 5 through 8 picks thread. Thanks.

Thanks Road Warriors and I'll keep you in mind if need be :unsure:

10 more picks in round 7 before my 7.15 pick. Hmmmm, yeah, that'd give me enough time to head back over to the hospital floor I was on and get 1 more of those wonderful evening oil back rubs from one of the cute little nursing students. MY OH MY. Still a wicked old man am I :lmao:

 
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6) Abrecher (758)

#06 1.06 Forte, Matt RB-CHI #5

#27 2.11 Colston, Marques WR-NOS #11

#38 3.06 Ocho Cinco, Chad WR-CIN #15

#59 4.11 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU #6

#70 5.06 Johnson, Larry RB-KCC #25

#9091 6.11 Garrard, David QB-JAC #16

#102 7.06 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN #18
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Lots of mysteries here.
 
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6) Abrecher (758)

#06 1.06 Forte, Matt RB-CHI #5

#27 2.11 Colston, Marques WR-NOS #11

#38 3.06 Ocho Cinco, Chad WR-CIN #15

#59 4.11 Daniels, Owen TE-HOU #6

#70 5.06 Johnson, Larry RB-KCC #25

#9091 6.11 Garrard, David QB-JAC #16

#102 7.06 Palmer, Carson QB-CIN #18
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Lots of mysteries here.
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I hated the Garrard pick but think you made up for with Carson. Nice value and I had his name written down but realized he probably had a good chance to have same bye week as Pittsburgh and switched to Wells.
 
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