side bet?What oppertunity? I don't believe Boldin is going anywhere.
Now, Doucet did battle nagging injuries all year, which is a much bigger concern to me than lack of playing time - he was actually a pretty advanced receiver at LSU all in all, not raw like a Buster Davis, so I think he'll be ready to contribute as soon as the Cards ask him to - but the nagging leg injuries have been an almost constant issue the last two years, and I believe they kept from being one of the first wideouts off the board last year. Still, he's a quality receiver that is next in line for a #3 WR role that produced a 1000 yard receiver last year, so you can't argue with the potential value as long as Boldin leaves this offseason. If Boldin stays the worry becomes Warner retiring before Doucet gets his shot, and Doucet inheriting a role in a much less explosive passing offense - still it seems like Doucet is coming cheap enough to tolerate that risk right now and then some.“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”
Bloom, at this point how would you rank these 2008 rookie WRs for dynasty? Doucet ARI (if Boldin leaves), Kelly WAS, Caldwell CIN (if Housh leaves).Doucet's a great undervalued second year player to target as long as you do it before Boldin changes teams. Don't think that Doucet's lack of numbers means that he's a bust or that the Cards are disappointed in him:
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Now, Doucet did battle nagging injuries all year, which is a much bigger concern to me than lack of playing time - he was actually a pretty advanced receiver at LSU all in all, not raw like a Buster Davis, so I think he'll be ready to contribute as soon as the Cards ask him to - but the nagging leg injuries have been an almost constant issue the last two years, and I believe they kept from being one of the first wideouts off the board last year. Still, he's a quality receiver that is next in line for a #3 WR role that produced a 1000 yard receiver last year, so you can't argue with the potential value as long as Boldin leaves this offseason. If Boldin stays the worry becomes Warner retiring before Doucet gets his shot, and Doucet inheriting a role in a much less explosive passing offense - still it seems like Doucet is coming cheap enough to tolerate that risk right now and then some.“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”
Assuming Boldin and Housh leave, I'd gooucetBloom, at this point how would you rank these 2008 rookie WRs for dynasty? Doucet ARI (if Boldin leaves), Kelly WAS, Caldwell CIN (if Housh leaves).Doucet's a great undervalued second year player to target as long as you do it before Boldin changes teams. Don't think that Doucet's lack of numbers means that he's a bust or that the Cards are disappointed in him:
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Now, Doucet did battle nagging injuries all year, which is a much bigger concern to me than lack of playing time - he was actually a pretty advanced receiver at LSU all in all, not raw like a Buster Davis, so I think he'll be ready to contribute as soon as the Cards ask him to - but the nagging leg injuries have been an almost constant issue the last two years, and I believe they kept from being one of the first wideouts off the board last year. Still, he's a quality receiver that is next in line for a #3 WR role that produced a 1000 yard receiver last year, so you can't argue with the potential value as long as Boldin leaves this offseason. If Boldin stays the worry becomes Warner retiring before Doucet gets his shot, and Doucet inheriting a role in a much less explosive passing offense - still it seems like Doucet is coming cheap enough to tolerate that risk right now and then some.“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”
I agree. There's no guarantee Boldin is going anywhere. But let's assume he does leave.Fitz and Breaston will be 1 and 2. No doubt. And at this point I would rank Urban ahead of Doucet for the 3rd WR. Urban signed a 2 year contract in March of 08 (I think). Urban is currently listed ahead of Doucet on the depth chart, and heck, Urban actually had more TD's last year than Breaston did.So I wouldn't get too excited about Doucet. A lot has to happen for him to post numbers worthy of a being drafted next year.First - learn to spell it is B-O-L-D-I-N..........................there is no gSecond - WHY do so many think that Q is actually leaving? Because he told his agent not to accept any contract changes from the Cards? Maybe - may be just his agent at work.........................BUT the fact remains that he is under CONTRACT for TWO more years - he has no leverage in this. I believe the Cardinals will try and renegotiate the contract, but if Boldin does not want to, he will still be under contract - he could hold out - so what? the Cardinals would STILL retain his rights under contract for two years. But if Arizona re-signs Warner AND Dansby they might decide a trade would leave them better placed - Breaston certainly came up big last year and they have DE Antonio Smith's contract to deal with as well.Finally, let's assume Boldin leaves or quits - you still have Fitzgerald and Breaston...............THEN Urban is still ahead (admittedly maybe short term) of Doucet................and there is another receiver who was in camp last year who was a lot more impressive for a lot less money than Doucet.
I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said really, I was just following up by spewing my verbiage out there as it entered my peanut brain. It was your post that triggered my thought, so I mentioned your name.The guy I'm high on bigtime is Caldwell. I think Housh is out the door, and neither 85, Henry or Simpson fits the possession role Caldwell can. With the TE and starting RB not being pass catching positions in Bratkowski's offense and if Palmer comes back healthy, this could be an 80 catch season for Caldwell.CP, I thought it was sorta assumed around here that making the tough choices and finding that balance between present & future (with roster space constraints) was a given within these conversations! Sounds like you're in the boat of hold or pass completely like I said above....just trying to present that this guy is not that far away as you might think and maybe the product that produced 3 startable weekly WR gives him an edge over a few other WR/RBs 4 rungs deep on your team. You're right each league is different and it's your call. BTW, I can put my name down for Hackett, Robinson, Jones!
I like it. I hear you too. I picked up an orphaned dynasty team and I have nothing to lose as I rebuild, so I'm sitting on a bunch of young fish! Avery, Caldwell, Doucet, Hixon. Someone gave up on Doucet late last year.I wish we could fast forward some of these situations! Very interesting this year and there looks to be a lot of big changes coming and opportunities for these younger WRs. It's sounds like you and I are both Caldwell & Doucet homers though, so maybe we're blowing smoke!I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said really, I was just following up by spewing my verbiage out there as it entered my peanut brain. It was your post that triggered my thought, so I mentioned your name.The guy I'm high on bigtime is Caldwell. I think Housh is out the door, and neither 85, Henry or Simpson fits the possession role Caldwell can. With the TE and starting RB not being pass catching positions in Bratkowski's offense and if Palmer comes back healthy, this could be an 80 catch season for Caldwell.CP, I thought it was sorta assumed around here that making the tough choices and finding that balance between present & future (with roster space constraints) was a given within these conversations! Sounds like you're in the boat of hold or pass completely like I said above....just trying to present that this guy is not that far away as you might think and maybe the product that produced 3 startable weekly WR gives him an edge over a few other WR/RBs 4 rungs deep on your team. You're right each league is different and it's your call. BTW, I can put my name down for Hackett, Robinson, Jones!
Why do I feel like I've read that quote 1000 times before, only with different names? Oh yeah, because it's meaningless coach-speak.Doucet's a great undervalued second year player to target as long as you do it before Boldin changes teams. Don't think that Doucet's lack of numbers means that he's a bust or that the Cards are disappointed in him:
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“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”
"It's a numbers game"Why do I feel like I've read that quote 1000 times before, only with different names? Oh yeah, because it's meaningless coach-speak.Doucet's a great undervalued second year player to target as long as you do it before Boldin changes teams. Don't think that Doucet's lack of numbers means that he's a bust or that the Cards are disappointed in him:
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“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”
Exactly.When Boldin is retained for 09, Doucet is riding pine, and his owner gets tired of waiting on him then I'll jump on him - whether it be via cheap trade or plucking off waivers.
At least he's not saying Doucet has things to learn before he can play, or that he's behind schedule. Often times the best indicator of the progress of a player who is not seeing the field much is what the coaches are saying about him. Last year after Felix Jones went down, the Cowboys said they weren't going to get another back because they were very comfortable with Tashard Choice as the sole backup. Meaningless coachspeak? I agree that we should dismiss coachspeak when it conflicts with what we see with our own eyes, but when it comes to young players, it's all we've got, and sometimes it gives you the drop on your competition.Why do I feel like I've read that quote 1000 times before, only with different names? Oh yeah, because it's meaningless coach-speak.Doucet's a great undervalued second year player to target as long as you do it before Boldin changes teams. Don't think that Doucet's lack of numbers means that he's a bust or that the Cards are disappointed in him:
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“For the most part it is (a numbers thing),” wide receivers coach Mike Miller said. “Early is doing well. His progress, it took a turn there with the injury and lack of reps. He is ready to go at three of our four spots. He’s just waiting for an opportunity to get in there and make it happen. We’d love to get him more, but right now, it’s a tough situation.”