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http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&attid...2Fpdf&pli=1

Can someone verify the validity of this document? Even if it's NOT official, the content is alarming...

How about labeling all of us who OPPOSE higher taxation and socialistic policies as EXTREMISTS and TERRORISTS?

I give to you...

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&attid=0.1&thid=120af9c9f5c63c89&mt=application%2Fpdf&pli=1

(have not verified the validity of this document)

(better watch our facebook postings...)

Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential

administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and

citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns

and leverage them as drivers for recruitment. From the 2008 election timeframe to the

present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in

expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential

sympathizers.

During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks,

and infrastructure sectors.

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

I've been waiting for a "definition" of this so-called Rightwing extremism I've heard thrown around lately...

This thing gets better and better...

Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and

adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or

rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

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DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

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ugh. really? i had no idea that the sensible GOPers really wanted to identify themselves in the same breath as right wing extremists like neo-Nazis and the like. Good for them?

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

The other funny thing is that a second report exists on left wing extremists that few people have mentioned, AND that the report was ordered up by President Bush before he left office.

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A rightwing extremist is anyone who doesn't identify as a liberal, or as a moderate to a lesser degree as long as they generally go along with liberal talking points.

HTH

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A rightwing extremist is anyone who doesn't identify as a liberal, or as a moderate to a lesser degree as long as they generally go along with liberal talking points.

HTH

the narcissism of the GOP is a little startling. seriously, dude, it's not all about you as much as you like it to be...

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

The other funny thing is that a second report exists on left wing extremists that few people have mentioned, AND that the report was ordered up by President Bush before he left office.
That is pretty funny.

I assumed that this report concerns actual dangerous people like Tim McVeigh and the nut in Pittsburgh that recently killed 3 cops because he feared Obama was going to take his guns. Not Tea Party attendees.

ETA: link that backs up ElGatoLoco - http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/15/fox-dhs-bush/

Edited by D_House

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ugh. really? i had no idea that the sensible GOPers really wanted to identify themselves in the same breath as right wing extremists like neo-Nazis and the like. Good for them?

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

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ugh. really? i had no idea that the sensible GOPers really wanted to identify themselves in the same breath as right wing extremists like neo-Nazis and the like. Good for them?

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

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Wouldn't that include the drafters of the constitution?

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ugh. really? i had no idea that the sensible GOPers really wanted to identify themselves in the same breath as right wing extremists like neo-Nazis and the like. Good for them?

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

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Some of those types of groups are extremists.

I find this whole dust up ludicrous. This report doesn't refer to mainstream conservatives anymore than the liberal one referred to mainstream liberals. You notice I didn't get my panties in a bunch over the first one because I don't identify with the extremists on my side of the aisle. Those people are nuts. I find it hilarious that mainstream conservatives do identify with the extremists on their side of the aisle so closely. I think it says more about them and who does the talking for conservatives than it does this report.

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A rightwing extremist is anyone who doesn't identify as a liberal, or as a moderate to a lesser degree as long as they generally go along with liberal talking points.

HTH

the narcissism of the GOP is a little startling. seriously, dude, it's not all about you as much as you like it to be...
Uhhhh, whatever you say there chief.

Also not a member of the GOP.

God bless.

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

Even funnier is that I have it on good authority that this report was prepared four years ago and shelved by the previous administration.

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

Even funnier is that I have it on good authority that this report was prepared four years ago and shelved by the previous administration.
Maybe prepared and later ammended, but the parts about our first African American president were just keen foresight? Not sure about your "good authority".

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ugh. really? i had no idea that the sensible GOPers really wanted to identify themselves in the same breath as right wing extremists like neo-Nazis and the like. Good for them?

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

link
Wouldn't that include the drafters of the constitution?
And anyone else who thinks the Constitution is worth abiding by.

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A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

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You hit on the most profound part of the whole document.

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

Even funnier is that I have it on good authority that this report was prepared four years ago and shelved by the previous administration.
Maybe prepared and later ammended, but the parts about our first African American president were just keen foresight? Not sure about your "good authority".
The meat of the report was prepared under the Bush admin. That's a fact. Again I love how conservatives have their panties in a wad and you didn't hear a thing from Liberals. Says a lot about the movement and where it is. Edited by NCCommish

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The funniest part of this whole thing so far is that it comes from DHS.

Even funnier is that I have it on good authority that this report was prepared four years ago and shelved by the previous administration.
Maybe prepared and later ammended, but the parts about our first African American president were just keen foresight? Not sure about your "good authority".
Certainly amended. But I'd trust the guy who actually worked on the report when he worked for DHS four years ago.

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

That casual observer would have to be completely ignorant of what went on all across the USA yesterday to believe that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed.'

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Again I love how conservatives have their panties in a wad and you didn't hear a thing from Liberals. Says a lot about the movement and where it is.

Which groups were identified as leftwing extremist? I get where the upset from the right is coming from in this document.

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I do think it's particularly rich to hear conservatives complain now that their right to dissent is somehow being curtailed. I haven't posted in the Tea Party threads, because I generally think dissent against the government is a good thing.

But for the past 8 years, you couldn't voice dissent about Gitmo, or Iraq, or Bush v. Gore without being labelled "unAmerican", or "for the terrorists", or a "moonbat" or a member of "the loony left," either on some right leaning media station or even on this board.

We're four months into a Democratic administration and suddenly it's not fair to marginalize dissent. I actually agree, but it's hard not to enjoy the schadenfreude.

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

That casual observer would have to be completely ignorant of what went on all across the USA yesterday to believe that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed.'
You calling my PRESIDENT ignorant?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour...arties#comments

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

That casual observer would have to be completely ignorant of what went on all across the USA yesterday to believe that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed.'
You calling my PRESIDENT ignorant?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour...arties#comments

Wow guy. Yes, he was completely ignorant of what went on yesterday if we take him on his word.

But at least he's not making the absurd claim that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed' the day after 750k+ people voiced their dissent in a concerted public demonstration.

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Indeed, thanks to the very people who are today petulantly complaining about politically-motivated federal police actions (now that they imagine it's directed at them rather than at people they dislike), the Federal Government today has the power to eavesdrop on telephone calls and read the emails of American citizens without warrants; monitor bank records without court approval; obtain all sorts of invasive personal records, medical and financial, without Subpoenas; and obtain and store a whole host of other personal information about American citizens who have not been accused, let alone convicted, of having done anything wrong. Also thanks to them (and things like the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, the FISA Amendments Act, etc. etc), most of this is carried out without any real oversight or safeguards, left entirely to the judgment and good faith of federal officials to wield these powers carefully and for proper ends. And, better still, federal officials can hide behind sweeping claims of secrecy and National Security to prevent courts from scrutinizing what they did and determine if it was illegal (we call that "the state secrets privilege").

So what's the problem? As the National Review/Bush-following-Right has been telling us for years now, there's nothing to worry about if you've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. The first duty of the Government is to protect us all -- keep us safe and warm from all the scary things out there, like a Good Daddy does -- and if they need to trample on some lofty privacy ideals and so-called civil liberties concerns and supposed Constitutional safeguards, well: that's just how it is. It takes a real paranoid hysteric to think that federal government officials have nothing better to do than target domestic political opponents. And besides, what good is the Constitution if we're all dead at the hands of domestic McVeigh-like Terrorists? After all, the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. Remember all of that? I certainly do.

This is all as laughable as it is predictable. Just a couple months out of power and they have suddenly re-discovered their fear of the Federal Government and their belief in the need to limit its powers.

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Since I went to a tea party yesterday... where do I pick up my official rightwing terrorist card?

you should have gotten the application back in 2004.

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

That casual observer would have to be completely ignorant of what went on all across the USA yesterday to believe that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed.'
You calling my PRESIDENT ignorant?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour...arties#comments

Wow guy. Yes, he was completely ignorant of what went on yesterday if we take him on his word.

But at least he's not making the absurd claim that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed' the day after 750k+ people voiced their dissent in a concerted public demonstration.

This report is absurd, and the media as well for labeling those that went to the tea parties as Rightwing radical extremist terrorists.. What other words describe us? Oh let's see, they lumped them in with ..

from page 3 - anti-semitic extremists

from page 4 - white supremacists

from page 4 - anti-government conspiracy theorists

oh and my personal favorite...

from page 4 - "These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

Yep.. those violent church goers these days.. better watch out for them...

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Since I went to a tea party yesterday... where do I pick up my official rightwing terrorist card?

We saved you a spot right behind Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph. Oklamhoma City was the worst case of domestic terrorism and I believe he was a right winger. Seriously though everyone take a chill pill. Don't let Fox news or Rush Limbaugh get you all worked up.

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and the reporting notice on the last page:

DHS encourages recipients of this document to report information concerning suspicious or criminal activity to DHS and the FBI.

What exactly is considered "suspicious" activity? Voicing your hatred for the tax system?

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Indeed, thanks to the very people who are today petulantly complaining about politically-motivated federal police actions (now that they imagine it's directed at them rather than at people they dislike), the Federal Government today has the power to eavesdrop on telephone calls and read the emails of American citizens without warrants; monitor bank records without court approval; obtain all sorts of invasive personal records, medical and financial, without Subpoenas; and obtain and store a whole host of other personal information about American citizens who have not been accused, let alone convicted, of having done anything wrong. Also thanks to them (and things like the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, the Patriot Act, the FISA Amendments Act, etc. etc), most of this is carried out without any real oversight or safeguards, left entirely to the judgment and good faith of federal officials to wield these powers carefully and for proper ends. And, better still, federal officials can hide behind sweeping claims of secrecy and National Security to prevent courts from scrutinizing what they did and determine if it was illegal (we call that "the state secrets privilege").

So what's the problem? As the National Review/Bush-following-Right has been telling us for years now, there's nothing to worry about if you've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. The first duty of the Government is to protect us all -- keep us safe and warm from all the scary things out there, like a Good Daddy does -- and if they need to trample on some lofty privacy ideals and so-called civil liberties concerns and supposed Constitutional safeguards, well: that's just how it is. It takes a real paranoid hysteric to think that federal government officials have nothing better to do than target domestic political opponents. And besides, what good is the Constitution if we're all dead at the hands of domestic McVeigh-like Terrorists? After all, the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. Remember all of that? I certainly do.

This is all as laughable as it is predictable. Just a couple months out of power and they have suddenly re-discovered their fear of the Federal Government and their belief in the need to limit its powers.

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This is partially why I made my DHS comment. Beware the law of unintended consequences.

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and the reporting notice on the last page:

DHS encourages recipients of this document to report information concerning suspicious or criminal activity to DHS and the FBI.

What exactly is considered "suspicious" activity? Voicing your hatred for the tax system?

Asking what is suspicious is high up on the suspicious activity list. Why do you care what's suspicious unless you want to know what you can get away with?

:REPORTED:

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and the reporting notice on the last page:

DHS encourages recipients of this document to report information concerning suspicious or criminal activity to DHS and the FBI.

What exactly is considered "suspicious" activity? Voicing your hatred for the tax system?

Asking what is suspicious is high up on the suspicious activity list. Why do you care what's suspicious unless you want to know what you can get away with?

:REPORTED:

wait... please... no sir! :)

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[oh and my personal favorite...

from page 4 - "These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

Yep.. those violent church goers these days.. better watch out for them...

The KKK are church goers...

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To the casual obsever here.. it looks like they want us to take our medicine and like it. NO DISSENT allowed...

That casual observer would have to be completely ignorant of what went on all across the USA yesterday to believe that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed.'
You calling my PRESIDENT ignorant?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour...arties#comments

Wow guy. Yes, he was completely ignorant of what went on yesterday if we take him on his word.

But at least he's not making the absurd claim that there is 'NO DISSENT allowed' the day after 750k+ people voiced their dissent in a concerted public demonstration.

This report is absurd, and the media as well for labeling those that went to the tea parties as Rightwing radical extremist terrorists.. What other words describe us? Oh let's see, they lumped them in with ..

from page 3 - anti-semitic extremists

from page 4 - white supremacists

from page 4 - anti-government conspiracy theorists

oh and my personal favorite...

from page 4 - "These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

Yep.. those violent church goers these days.. better watch out for them...

Are you making the absurd claim that there are no violent Christian identity groups? Or that all Christians groups are?

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Are you making the absurd claim that there are no violent Christian identity groups? Or that all Christians groups are?

Keep up with the conversation. One day after this report was released, the media labeled those that attended the Tea Party - Radical Rightwing Extremists. This report while targeting the more violent groups from the past, lends itself to apparent media profiling today. Once that went down, everyone that believes in lower taxes, less government, Christianity and the NRA will now be "unfairly labeled" a Radical Rightwing Extremist... "IN TRAINING"... Watch and see if I'm wrong. Edited by Team Legacy

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Are you making the absurd claim that there are no violent Christian identity groups? Or that all Christians groups are?

Keep up with the conversation. One day after this report was released, the media labeled those that attended the Tea Party - Radical Rightwing Extremists. This report while targeting the more violent groups from the past, lends itself to apparent media profiling today. Once that went down, everyone that believes in lower taxes, less government, Christianity and the NRA will now be "unfairly labeled" a Radical Rightwing Extremist... "IN TRAINING"...

Watch and see if I'm wrong.

What's your time horizon?

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The reality is that the current economic situation increases the chances of all domestic terrorism whether they are right wing or left wing. Homeland Security's job is to keep this in mind and to keep it in the mind of everyone from FBI on down to the local police forces. They just made a mistake in focusing on the right wing and not just simply including all of the dangers out there.

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The reality is that the current economic situation increases the chances of all domestic terrorism whether they are right wing or left wing. Homeland Security's job is to keep this in mind and to keep it in the mind of everyone from FBI on down to the local police forces. They just made a mistake in focusing on the right wing and not just simply including all of the dangers out there.

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right on cue:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful.""The ‘tea parties’ being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs," Schakowsky said in a statement."It’s despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt," she added. "Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians.”

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right on cue:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful.""The ‘tea parties’ being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs," Schakowsky said in a statement."It’s despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt," she added. "Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians.”

Was that before or after she cashed the check for $50B that the CNN reporter said ILL got?

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right on cue:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful."

"The 'tea parties' being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs," Schakowsky said in a statement.

"It's despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt," she added. "Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians."

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right on cue:

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) blasted "tea party" protests yesterday, labeling the activities "despicable" and shameful.""The 'tea parties' being held today by groups of right-wing activists, and fueled by FOX News Channel, are an effort to mislead the public about the Obama economic plan that cuts taxes for 95 percent of Americans and creates 3.5 million jobs," Schakowsky said in a statement."It's despicable that right-wing Republicans would attempt to cheapen a significant, honorable moment of American history with a shameful political stunt," she added. "Not a single American household or business will be taxed at a higher rate this year. Made to look like a grassroots uprising, this is an Obama bashing party promoted by corporate interests, as well as Republican lobbyists and politicians."

Was that before or after she cashed the check for $50B that the CNN reporter said ILL got?
oh my.. now that's funny. :lmao:

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Department Of Homeland Security Declares Mark Levin An “Extremist”

“Let me be very clear here,” declared Napolitano. “We have to protect the nation from foreign and domestic terrorists. Normally, we don’t focus on a citizen here or there, but this man is dangerous. His book, Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, harms this government. He has to be stopped. I intend to go after this guy with guns blazing.”

“Normally, you only have to worry about these whacko military veterans,” added Napolitano, “but Levin is a rare exception. It’s hard enough to unite a country with Levin peddling this garbage he calls a book.”

When asked if he knew anything about the targeting of Levin, Obama stated, “Levin is not the kind of change we need in this country. I trust that Janet will do everything within her power to silence this moron. Whatever you do, don’t buy this idiot’s book, it only helps his cause.”

I know this isn't real. But it is interesting.

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Are you making the absurd claim that there are no violent Christian identity groups? Or that all Christians groups are?

Keep up with the conversation. One day after this report was released, the media labeled those that attended the Tea Party - Radical Rightwing Extremists. This report while targeting the more violent groups from the past, lends itself to apparent media profiling today. Once that went down, everyone that believes in lower taxes, less government, Christianity and the NRA will now be "unfairly labeled" a Radical Rightwing Extremist... "IN TRAINING"...

Watch and see if I'm wrong.

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Department Of Homeland Security Declares Mark Levin An “Extremist”

“Let me be very clear here,” declared Napolitano. “We have to protect the nation from foreign and domestic terrorists. Normally, we don’t focus on a citizen here or there, but this man is dangerous. His book, Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, harms this government. He has to be stopped. I intend to go after this guy with guns blazing.”

“Normally, you only have to worry about these whacko military veterans,” added Napolitano, “but Levin is a rare exception. It’s hard enough to unite a country with Levin peddling this garbage he calls a book.”

When asked if he knew anything about the targeting of Levin, Obama stated, “Levin is not the kind of change we need in this country. I trust that Janet will do everything within her power to silence this moron. Whatever you do, don’t buy this idiot’s book, it only helps his cause.”

I know this isn't real. But it is interesting.
How so?

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I get confused by what exactly qualifies someone as a potential domestic terrorist. Does any have Bill Ayer's e-mail address so we can clear this up?

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Wow, it will be weird when the right starts moaning about the Patriot Act. It's like everything got turned upside down.

A right-wing terrorist is this guy:

Timothy McVeigh was born April 23, 1968 in Pendleton, New York, and grew up in that rural commuity near Buffalo, Niagara and Canada. He was the middle of three children, and the only boy.

His father worked at a nearby General Motors manufacturing plant; his mother worked for a travel agency. His parents separated for a third and final time in 1984.

High school classmates remember him as small, thin and quiet. He became involved in school functions -- football, track, extra-curricular activities -- but after joining them, soon dropped out. He was shy, did not have a girlfriend and did not date. He did not belong to any clique, but seemed to exist on the margins.

McVeigh graduated from high school in June, 1986 and in the fall, entered a two-year business college. He attended only a short time. During that time McVeigh lived at home with his father, worked at a Burger King and drove dilapidated, old cars.

BACKGROUND

A capsule portrait

In 1987 he got a pistol permit from Niagara County and a job in Buffalo as a guard on an armored car. A co-worker recalls that McVeigh owned numerous firearms and had a survivalist philosophy -- a tendency to stockpile weapons and food in preparation for what he believed to be the imminent breakdown of society. In 1988 McVeigh and a friend bought 10 acres of rural land and used it as a shooting range.

McVeigh enlisted in the Army in Buffalo in May 1988, and went through basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia. After basic training, his unit was transferred to Fort Riley, Kansas, and became part of the Army's 1st Infantry Division.

McVeigh became a gunner on a Bradley Fighting Vehicle. He was promoted to corporal, sergeant, then platoon leader. Fellow soldiers recalled that McVeigh was very interested in military stuff, kept his own personal collection of firearms and constantly cleaned and maintained them. Other soldiers went into town to look for entertainment or companionship but McVeigh stayed on base and cleaned his guns. During his time in the Army, he also read and recommended to others "The Turner Diaries,"-- a racist, anti-Semitic novel about a soldier in an underground army. A former roommate said that McVeigh would panic at the prospect of the government taking away peoples' guns, but that he was not a racist and was basically indifferent to racial matters.

While at Fort Riley, McVeigh reenlisted in the Army. He aspired to be a member of the Special Forces and in 1990 was accepted into a 3-week school to assess his potential for joining that elite unit. He had barely begun to prepare himself physically for Special Forces training when, in January 1991, the 1st Infantry Division was sent to participate in the Persian Gulf War. As a gunnery sergeant, McVeigh was in action during late February, 1991. Pursuing his desire of joining the Special Forces, he left the Persian Gulf theater early and went to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he took a battery of IQ, personality and aptitude tests to qualify for Special Forces. However, his participation in the Persian Gulf War had left him no time to prepare himself physically for the demands of Special Forces training. McVeigh was unable to endure a 90-minute march with a 45-pound pack, and he withdrew from the program after two days.

This disappointing experience left him facing years of active service due to his reenlistment at Fort Riley. The Army was downsizing however, and after 3 1/2 years of service, McVeigh took the offer of an early discharge and got out of the military in the fall of 1991.

By January 1992, at age 24, McVeigh was back where he had started, living with his father in Pendleton, New York, driving an old car and working as a security guard.

In January 1993 McVeigh left Pendleton, and began to travel, moving himself and his belongings about in a series of battered old cars. He lived in cheap motels and trailer parks, but also stayed with two Army buddies, Michael Fortier in Kingman, Arizona, and Terry Nichols in Decker, Michigan.

McVeigh traveled to Waco, Texas during the March-April 1993 standoff between the Branch Davidians and federal agents, and was said to have been angry about what he saw. He sold firearms at a gun show in Arizona and was heard to remark on one weapon's ability to shoot down an ATF helicopter.

Although both Arizona and Michigan are host to militant anti-tax, anti-government, survivalist and racist groups, there is no evidence that he ever belonged to any extremist groups. He advertised to sell a weapon in what is described as a virulently anti-Semitic publication. After renting a Ryder truck that has been linked to the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh telephoned a religious community that preaches white supremacy, but no one there can remember knowing him or talking to him. His only known affiliations are as a registered Republican in his New York days, and as a member of the National Rifle Association while he was in the Army.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/03/29/profile.mcveigh/

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The document is a tragic comedy of unintended consequences. They should have been a bit more concise in their definitions and listed more of the main line threats also. I do however believe it was a well intentioned release meant to inform LE (law enforcement) about recent possible upswell in some of the fringe right wing elements (KKK and the various Weathermen wannabes).

I'll admit page 8 pissed me off as a combat Vet, but at the same time I see what they are trying to communicate. Some servicemen come home a little messed up mentally and emotionally and may be ripe targets for recruitment into fringe causes. It happens, but I'd bet that ex combat vets manage to kill less than say 5% of the people that drug addicts with no military connection do on a daily basis. The former makes for sexy news, the latter is expected and no longer newsworthy.

The patriot act was one of those well intended FUBAR moments of government. It was meant to bring safety to the masses but in reality destroyed some of our liberties. Its one redeeming feature was that it was expected to expire after the "current emergency". Now I doubt it ever will.

I do strongly believe that my oath was to support and defend the Constitution, which is now becoming a fringe view apparently. I strongly believe in a citizens right to protest and despise the actions of his government (to include protests against war, taxation, spending policies etc.). I love our country, but on my best days am only mildly tolerant of our lumbering beast of a government. Does that mean I need to report for re-education and assimilation training?

One of the beautiful things about our Constitutional system is the peaceful exchange of power on a scheduled periodic basis. Maybe I am less inclined to like the current administration (I'm a fiscal conservative, but have abandoned the Republican party and its recent spendthrift ways), but I respect the right of my fellow citizens to think that maybe their campaign promises were better than the alternatives. Why can they not respect the rights of others to then protest some of the actions of this administration? It wasn't just about current taxation, but expected taxation fall out based on the current spending spree, dislike of how some funding was targeted, and probably just a fair amount of sour grapes.

Either way we all need to lighten up and just try to get our message out to one another. Some folks may never change their mind, but we all deserve to air our grievances. Its a built in that allows the citizenry to inform the government that they are upset. Less than 1/3 of 1% of folks came out. Extracting statistics, they probably closely represent the views of 3% of the population (10 to 1) and reasonably represent many views of 30% (again another 10 to 1) of the population. So now we know that likely 1/3 of our citizens don't like the current leadership (congressional and Presidential) spending policies. Is this shocking news to anyone?

The media (on both sides) was spinning away to make this into something that fits their mold (right wing domestic terrorist, or the last of the free born patriots). Neither is true. Its just folks trying to make their voices heard when they feel their representation is failing them. All this fits in with the constitutional rights of an individual.

So I guess I'm in the "WTF are you smoking Janet" crowd. To those of my fellow citizens on both sides of the aisle, keep voicing your dissent when you feel your representation fails you. It is part of what keeps our nation fairly balanced and moving too far into either fringe. Your ability to assemble and peacefully air your opinions helps make our nation better. A heck of a lot better than one where you fear being seized in the night for example.

I would really appreciate if the anti-war crowd kept their demonstrations to anti-war stuff and helped keep their lunatic fringe from celebrating at the funerals of slain servicemen though. Its a profoundly disturbing thing when it happens. They have the right (on public land) but it crosses all lines of disrespect and decorum in my eyes.

Just my .02

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