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01.09 Drew Brees,

02.02 Frank Gore, 06.02 Marshawn Lynch, 05.09 Larry Johnson, 11.09 LeSean McCoy, 07.09 Cedric Benson,

03.09 Brandon Marshall, 09.09 Torry Holt, 04.02 Wes Welker, 08.02 Anthony Gonzalez, 12.02 D. Heyward-Bey

10.02 John Carlson

13.09 Philadelphia

QB: Love

Brees...great after 1.08 pick, IMO. Probably need a backup QB though (see Tom Brady, Sept 2008).

RB: Gore is excelllent in PPR, should be better on a better team. Lynch is really good value in the 6th. Larry Johnson isn't bad in the 5th, but gotta hope that Offense comes together. It might be a rough first 4-5 games for Larry. I like the McCoy pick, but better if you had Westy. You'll never know when he's getting in to get carries unless Westbrook goes down hard. Not sure about Benson, except he came on strong at the end of the year and CIN didn't do much to replace him, so guess he's the guy. Not a big pass catcher, but might see some 20+ carry games and yards do count. Sort of like Jamal Lewis...he's the starter, so why the hell not in the 7th round?

WR: Marshall is good value in the late, late 3rd. Holt had 64 catches last year, even on a bad knee on a bad offense. Like the Welker and A. Gonzalez picks (watch out for Collie tho, with AGonzo). I don't really like the D.H-Bey pick in a redraft.

TE: Carlson...might be good, might not. I am just not trusting any TE after about TE5. Might feel better with a TE platoon or at least one more TE.

I still have one more pick to get that backup QB....

Some feel I reached for Brees, i just happen to think I want his consistently high scoring on my squad. At RB i have two guys (Gore and Benson) who are slated to get all the touches on their teams, which should both be improved this year. Lynch will be back after game 4 and he should take over the job unless Jax has 4-100 yard games in his absence. LJ by all accounts is running first team and looks good without pads. I think He'll be fine.

At WR I love Marshall no matter what, he is a player, and Welker just catches a ton of passes. I reached a little for Gonzalez here, but I see no reason that he can't put up the type of numbers wayne put up when Marvin was the number 1. Holt should get about 80 catches as the WR 1 on the Jags, and Bey shouls be the number 1 deep threat on the Raiders.

As for TE, well I didn't really like a lot of TE's after the TE5 either, but I had to get one...I watched Carlson last year and the kid made a ton of catches..I thought of Vernon Davis there especially after all the coach praise he is getting i just felt that Carslon should be able to improve on his numbers in his 2nd year, and that's saying an awful lot.

Overall I feel this team could compete with any other team in this mock. I stated earlier that i only play in one league and it is a dynasty keeper league, salary cap IDP. I haven't "drafted" a team from scratch since 1998, so this was fun. Thanks for having me

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LOCO

04.05 Philip Rivers, 10.05 Kyle Orton

06.05 Joseph Addai, 03.06 Brandon Jacobs, 05.06 Ronnie Brown, 13.06 Ahmad Bradshaw, 11.06 Michael Bush

01.06 Larry Fitzgerald, 02.05 Calvin Johnson, 08.05 Lee Evans, 07.06 DeSean Jackson, 12.05 Earl Bennett

09.06 Owen Daniels

My team:

What i really like about my team is the WRs, of course. My RBs are a bit suspect and alot of it depends on the health of jacobs and ronnie brown. But i think i can win with these RBs

My biggest reach was rivers in the 4th. i usually wait until late to pick up a qb but i think rivers is a 30+ TD qb.

Best value was Addai. he still considered the started. would have love to get brown too. but he went earlier than expected.

i like this team alot. and i think in a 10 team league, going WR/WR is risky but the RBs pool seems deep to me, i.e Addai/Lynch in the 6th round. in a real draft, i think going WR/WR is a viable option. to me, it seems less risky since alot of rbs have question marks. much rather take a safe bet in Fitz/AJohnson/Brees etc.

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02.10 Peyton Manning, 12.10 Eli Manning

01.01 Adrian Peterson, 06.10 Jonathan Stewart, 11.01 Chester Taylor, 10.10 Rashard Mendenhall, 05.01 Pierre Thomas

03.01 Reggie Wayne, 07.01 Jerricho Cotchery, 08.10 Devin Hester, 09.01 Michael Crabtree

04.10 Jason Witten

13.01 Stephen Gostkowski

Rat is STACKED with RBs. I really like JStew, and Pierre Thomas this year. Last name of QBs says enough. WRs on this team is clearly the weak point though. Only having four WRs in a mandatory 3WR PPR format could present some problems.

Black

09.02 Matt Schaub, 10.09 Matt Cassel

03.02 Marion Barber, 01.02 Maurice Jones-Drew, 02.09 Chris Johnson, 13.02 Jerious Norwood, 12.09 Tashard Choice

06.09 Santonio Holmes, 11.02 Chris Chambers, 08.09 Bernard Berrian, 04.09 Antonio Bryant, 07.02 Lance Moore

05.02 Antonio Gates

Another team here STACKED with RBs. I really do feel that MJD could be the #1 overall RB, especially in a PPR style format. QB are OK, but only if Shaub can stay healthy. Not sold on Cassel just yet. WRs on this team worry me a little. Gates could be in for a monster season.

Mighty Mice

05.03 Donovan McNabb, 11.03 Trent Edwards

01.03 Steven Jackson, 06.08 Thomas Jones, 02.08 Steve Slaton, 10.08 Ray Rice

04.08 Braylon Edwards, 07.03 Roy Williams, 03.03 Greg Jennings, 08.08 Donald Driver, 12.08 Chris Henry

09.03 Kellen Winslow

13.03 Minnesota

Another player I absolutely love is Steve Slanton. He has potential to be a top 5 RB if he can stay healthy. And if you pair him with Steven Jackson, that is one heck of a combo. I'd be more worried though about this teams WRs. Is Braylon Edwards a one year wonder? He's had on fantastic season, but nothing special after that. Not sold on Roy Williams at all this year, and he would be a player I would avoid this year. I do like the Chris Henry pick though A LOT. Winslow could return back to his 80+ catches this year if healthy.

That's all I have time for now. I will be back with opinions on the other teams later.

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02.10 Peyton Manning, 12.10 Eli Manning

01.01 Adrian Peterson, 06.10 Jonathan Stewart, 11.01 Chester Taylor, 10.10 Rashard Mendenhall, 05.01 Pierre Thomas

03.01 Reggie Wayne, 07.01 Jerricho Cotchery, 08.10 Devin Hester, 09.01 Michael Crabtree

04.10 Jason Witten

13.01 Stephen Gostkowski

Qb: solid

rbs: nice job securing vikings running game. i really like PT this year. i think between PT/Stewart you have a rb#2

WR: not good enough. cotchery/hester these guys are wr#3.

TE: good

Black

09.02 Matt Schaub, 10.09 Matt Cassel

03.02 Marion Barber, 01.02 Maurice Jones-Drew, 02.09 Chris Johnson, 13.02 Jerious Norwood, 12.09 Tashard Choice

06.09 Santonio Holmes, 11.02 Chris Chambers, 08.09 Bernard Berrian, 04.09 Antonio Bryant, 07.02 Lance Moore

05.02 Antonio Gates

qb: i like shaub. but he needs to stay healthy. cassel less weapon, less value

rbs: STACKED.

wr. can he finally be the MAN. last year, he burned me bad, so i might be bitter. Bryant, feels like a one year wonder to me. Berrian/Chambers as decent wr#3 at best. the value pick here could be lance moore, if coltson stays dinged up

te: good

good team, might have to traded some RBs, or some WR help.

Mighty Mice

05.03 Donovan McNabb, 11.03 Trent Edwards

01.03 Steven Jackson, 06.08 Thomas Jones, 02.08 Steve Slaton, 10.08 Ray Rice

04.08 Braylon Edwards, 07.03 Roy Williams, 03.03 Greg Jennings, 08.08 Donald Driver, 12.08 Chris Henry

09.03 Kellen Winslow

13.03 Minnesota

qb: i really like mcnabb this year. he has some weapons, so i think he could post top 5 numbers.

rbs: the key here is slaton. can he hold up? but the texans have no other rbs, so he could post some good numbers.

wrs: the key here is roy williams. has a good qb. will be the WR1. could post top 15 numbers. but he still makes me nervous. this WRs seem feast or famine with Edwards/Williams

te: i like winslow. good TE, just needs to stay healthy.

Buffaloes

02.07 Tom Brady, 09.04 Matt Ryan

01.04 Matt Forte,08.07 Leon Washington, 06.07 Derrick Ward, 12.07 Darren Sproles, 07.04 Donald Brown

03.04 Marques Colston, 04.07 Chad Johnson, 11.04 Laveranues Coles, 13.04 Ted Ginn, 10.07 Kevin Walter

05.04 Dallas Clark

QB: i never like taking a QB early, and really don't like taking one after he sat out a year due to injury. Ryan, nice qb#2.

RBs: not sold on forte. no real rb#2. brown, maybe. but wouldn't be happy with this lot of running backs

WR: Coltson, can he stay on the field. I think the value pick her is chad johnson. i think ocho cinco has a nice season. Kevin Walter is a pretty good WR. i like him in the 10th round.

TE: i think clark starts to slow down.

so far, my least favorite team. questionable RBs/qb...

Choke

07.05 Tony Romo, 04.06 Kurt Warner

01.05 Michael Turner, 11.05 Tim Hightower, 06.06 Beanie Wells, 05.05 Moreno

13.05 Plaxico Burress, 02.06 Steve Smith, 03.05 Anquan Boldin, 10.06 Derrick Mason, 08.06 Steve Breaston

09.05 Greg Olsen

12.06 New York Giants

qb: Warner, scares me this year. Dude would be 38. i will let someone else take that chance. i like romo.

rb: turner is a horse and will get a ton of carries. i think moreno will have a good year. fine rb#2. nice depth with wells/hightower

wr: smith/boldin are good WR. and pick with mason/breaston. viable wr#3

te: culter will make him a top 5 TE. targeting BIG TIME after witten/gates/clark are off the board

the branded hand

09.07 Ben Roethlisberger, 04.04 Aaron Rodgers

02.04 Clinton Portis, 06.04 Darren McFadden, 13.07 LenDale White, 01.07 DeAngelo Williams, 10.04 Julius Jones

03.07 Roddy White, 08.04 Hines Ward, 07.07 Vincent Jackson, 05.07 Donnie Avery, 11.07 Hakeem Nicks

12.04 Zach Miller

qb: really like rodgers. nice WR. top 5 qb

rbs: portis, will carry the load, if he can stay healthy. could post top 10 numbers. dwill will have good games, just less TDs. mcfadden is the value play here

wr: i like vjax this year. and some nice upside pick with avery/nicks

te: someone needs to catch the ball, could be miller

LOCO's rankings: (so far)

1. Choke

2. The branded Hand

3. Might Mice

4. Ratblast

5. Black

6. Buffalo

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Overall I feel this team could compete with any other team in this mock. I stated earlier that i only play in one league and it is a dynasty keeper league, salary cap IDP. I haven't "drafted" a team from scratch since 1998, so this was fun. Thanks for having me

Looks like you aren't out of practice for re-draft. It's a very good team here. What does your dynasty team look like (and basic rules?)

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NY Jets defense

The addition of Rex Ryan, Lito Sheppard (who will play opposite Pro bowler Darrell Revis), Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard should make this a very good defense. I only play in IDP leagues but I am confident that the Jet defense will be a good one for fantasy purposes this year.

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Answering Black's questions

Buffaloes

02.07 Tom Brady, 09.04 Matt Ryan

01.04 Matt Forte,08.07 Leon Washington, 06.07 Derrick Ward, 12.07 Darren Sproles, 07.04 Donald Brown

03.04 Marques Colston, 04.07 Chad Johnson, 11.04 Laveranues Coles, 13.04 Ted Ginn, 10.07 Kevin Walter

05.04 Dallas Clark

14.07 NY Jets defense

1. What do you like about your team?

Forte is nice in ppr formats and there are some RBs who play the return game and will garner some points via receptions.

2. What do you hate about your team?

Drafted a QB and TE higher than usual and paid for it. A lot of boom or bust type guys at RB.

3. Your biggest reach of the draft.

Tom Brady

4. Your biggest value pick.

Laveraneus Coles

5. What team(s) do you like the most?

LOCO and his loco WRs

6. What team(s) do you think might struggle the most?

Buffaloes

7. The biggest reach(es) of the draft (all teams).

Jerricho Cotchery

8. The biggest value pick(s) of the draft (all teams).

Michael Bush, Zack Miller, Ray Rice,

9. What players are you avoiding this year (period, or due to 'where you have to take them').

Roy Williams and Tony Romo

10. What players are you targeting this year (period, or b/c of the value where you can get them).

Leon Washington, Donald Brown, Zack Miller, Michael Bush

11. What would you do differently with this draft next time?

Hold off on QB and TE

Not really happy with the way this turned out. I reached for Brady when I could have taken Chris Johnson instead. I wanted to try a new approach and have a little fun with a mock in May. This is not the way I would approach the draft in August and having gone through this mock, I am sure I will not be reaching for a QB in the early rounds. Taking a QB and TE earlier than usual kept me from getting the solid RB2 I could have had. Taking Brady almost forced me to go QB2 pretty early as well since he is recovering form the knee injury. That being said, I think Leon Washington is going to have a big year especially in leagues that reward points for reception and return yards. I like the value he presents in the 8th round.

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Knee-jerk reactions.

ratbast

02.10 Peyton Manning, 12.10 Eli Manning

01.01 Adrian Peterson, 06.10 Jonathan Stewart, 11.01 Chester Taylor, 10.10 Rashard Mendenhall, 05.01 Pierre Thomas

03.01 Reggie Wayne, 07.01 Jerricho Cotchery, 08.10 Devin Hester, 09.01 Michael Crabtree

04.10 Jason Witten

13.01 Stephen Gostkowski

Good job drafting from the 1 spot. First 3 picks were money. Also did a good job handcuffing Peterson. Thin at WR after Wayne though and I'm not a big fan of how the draft fell after the 1st 3 rounds. However, Pierre Thomas and Jonathan Stewart should combine to form a decent RB2.

Black

09.02 Matt Schaub, 10.09 Matt Cassel

03.02 Marion Barber, 01.02 Maurice Jones-Drew, 02.09 Chris Johnson, 13.02 Jerious Norwood, 12.09 Tashard Choice

06.09 Santonio Holmes, 11.02 Chris Chambers, 08.09 Bernard Berrian, 04.09 Antonio Bryant, 07.02 Lance Moore

05.02 Antonio Gates

Absolutely loaded at RB. Has a lot of upside WRs that can outperform their respective ADPs but no elite or top-tier WR. Solid team from top to bottom and I really like Schaub as long as he can stay healthy. If he goes down, I don't think Cassel will perform well on a consistent basis.

Mighty Mice

05.03 Donovan McNabb, 11.03 Trent Edwards

01.03 Steven Jackson, 06.08 Thomas Jones, 02.08 Steve Slaton, 10.08 Ray Rice

04.08 Braylon Edwards, 07.03 Roy Williams, 03.03 Greg Jennings, 08.08 Donald Driver, 12.08 Chris Henry

09.03 Kellen Winslow

13.03 Minnesota

Good 1-2 punch with Slaton and Jackson at RB especially given the .5 ppr scoring format. I like Jennings and McNabb where they were taken too. Solid team from top to bottom with good depth at RB and plenty of potential at WR between Roy and Braylon.

Buffaloes

02.07 Tom Brady, 09.04 Matt Ryan

01.04 Matt Forte,08.07 Leon Washington, 06.07 Derrick Ward, 12.07 Darren Sproles, 07.04 Donald Brown

03.04 Marques Colston, 04.07 Chad Johnson, 11.04 Laveranues Coles, 13.04 Ted Ginn, 10.07 Kevin Walter

05.04 Dallas Clark

Already covered this in team write up but Forte should be decent in ppr and there are some boom or bust types behind him at RB. Ward should settle into the RB2 role but I'm banking on Leon Washington and Donald Brown to pickup the slack as well. Not happy with the WRs due to drafting QB and TE too high. Not a great team at least on paper in May.

Choke

07.05 Tony Romo, 04.06 Kurt Warner

01.05 Michael Turner, 11.05 Tim Hightower, 06.06 Beanie Wells, 05.05 Moreno, 14.06 Fred Taylor

13.05 Plaxico Burress, 02.06 Steve Smith, 03.05 Anquan Boldin, 10.06 Derrick Mason, 08.06 Steve Breaston

09.05 Greg Olsen

12.06 New York Giants

Warner and Romo should combine for a good QBBC or midseason trade bait. Turner is a beast but a lot of questions behind him at RB. Moreno, Wells and Taylor all could end up being solid contributors and Hightower was a smart handcuff. Really like the WRs and that should carry the team along with Turner. One of the better teams IMO.

LOCO

04.05 Philip Rivers, 10.05 Kyle Orton

06.05 Joseph Addai, 03.06 Brandon Jacobs, 05.06 Ronnie Brown, 13.06 Ahmad Bradshaw, 11.06 Michael Bush

01.06 Larry Fitzgerald, 02.05 Calvin Johnson, 08.05 Lee Evans, 07.06 DeSean Jackson, 12.05 Earl Bennett

09.06 Owen Daniels

I don't think Rivers will replicate last season but he should be a fine starter. RBs are surprisingly good considering he went WR, WR to begin the draft. Drafting 2 elite WRs will give this team a leg up on most others. Owen Daniels is a TE I will be targetting given where his ADP is as well. I think I like this team best.

the branded hand

09.07 Ben Roethlisberger, 04.04 Aaron Rodgers

02.04 Clinton Portis, 06.04 Darren McFadden, 13.07 LenDale White, 01.07 DeAngelo Williams, 10.04 Julius Jones

03.07 Roddy White, 08.04 Hines Ward, 07.07 Vincent Jackson, 05.07 Donnie Avery, 11.07 Hakeem Nicks

12.04 Zach Miller

Another solid team from top to bottom. Rodgers will be a top talent if he stays healthy IMO. RBs are deep and WRs are steady but unimpressive after White. Really like the Zach Miller pick and I think he will outperform a few guys taken ahead of him.

laughinboy_2000

07.08 Jay Cutler, 10.03 Matt Hasselbeck

01.08 Brian Westbrook, 13.08 Jamal Lewis, 06.03 Ryan Grant, 05.08 Kevin Smith, 11.08 Sammy Morris

02.03 Andre Johnson, 04.03 T.J. Houshmandzadeh, 08.03 Santana Moss, 03.08 Dwayne Bowe, 12.03 Mark Clayton

09.08 Chris Cooley

Not a big fan of the QB tandem although if you play the matchups, you may be able to get a good amount from the position on a week to week basis. Westy is money in ppr as long as he's healthy and Jamal Lewis in the 13th is very solid. The WRs are very good and Cooley will be a steady contributor.

eefflrat

01.09 Drew Brees

02.02 Frank Gore, 06.02 Marshawn Lynch, 05.09 Larry Johnson, 11.09 LeSean McCoy, 07.09 Cedric Benson

03.09 Brandon Marshall, 09.09 Torry Holt, 04.02 Wes Welker, 08.02 Anthony Gonzalez, 12.02 D. Heyward-Bey

10.02 John Carlson

13.09 Philadelphia

Brees in the 1st makes sense in a 6 pt/td scoring system. Gore and Lynch are also good picks in ppr formats. WRs are decent up until DHB but who knows, he might be a find. This is another team that is solid at each position.

LawFitz

09.10 Carson Palmer, 12.01 Joe Flacco

01.10 LaDainian Tomlinson, 04.01 Reggie Bush, 07.10 Willie Parker, 08.01 Felix Jones

02.01 Randy Moss, 03.10 Terrell Owens, 06.01 Eddie Royal, 11.10 Percy Harvin

05.10 Tony Gonzalez

10.01 Pittsburgh

The ultimate boom or bust draft. Palmer is coming off an elbow injury and I don't like the QB2 behind him. LT, Bush, Jones and Parker all have performed well in the past but each have their own bit of injury concern. A ton of potential at WR but who knows how they will all come together. After Moss, each WR has a good chance of seeing his numbers drop off a bit from last year.

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Hard to keep track, but think Keller is available. Good backup to Winslow.

14.07 - Dusin Keller, TE NYJ

Edit to change - Saw Keller's name before and thought he was selected, but it was only in a write up about positions.

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02.10 Peyton Manning, 12.10 Eli Manning

01.01 Adrian Peterson, 06.10 Jonathan Stewart, 11.01 Chester Taylor, 10.10 Rashard Mendenhall, 05.01 Pierre Thomas

03.01 Reggie Wayne, 07.01 Jerricho Cotchery, 08.10 Devin Hester, 09.01 Michael Crabtree

04.10 Jason Witten

13.01 Stephen Gostkowski

Qb: solid

rbs: nice job securing vikings running game. i really like PT this year. i think between PT/Stewart you have a rb#2

WR: not good enough. cotchery/hester these guys are wr#3.

TE: good

Black

09.02 Matt Schaub, 10.09 Matt Cassel

03.02 Marion Barber, 01.02 Maurice Jones-Drew, 02.09 Chris Johnson, 13.02 Jerious Norwood, 12.09 Tashard Choice

06.09 Santonio Holmes, 11.02 Chris Chambers, 08.09 Bernard Berrian, 04.09 Antonio Bryant, 07.02 Lance Moore

05.02 Antonio Gates

qb: i like shaub. but he needs to stay healthy. cassel less weapon, less value

rbs: STACKED.

wr. can he finally be the MAN. last year, he burned me bad, so i might be bitter. Bryant, feels like a one year wonder to me. Berrian/Chambers as decent wr#3 at best. the value pick here could be lance moore, if coltson stays dinged up

te: good

good team, might have to traded some RBs, or some WR help.

Mighty Mice

05.03 Donovan McNabb, 11.03 Trent Edwards

01.03 Steven Jackson, 06.08 Thomas Jones, 02.08 Steve Slaton, 10.08 Ray Rice

04.08 Braylon Edwards, 07.03 Roy Williams, 03.03 Greg Jennings, 08.08 Donald Driver, 12.08 Chris Henry

09.03 Kellen Winslow

13.03 Minnesota

qb: i really like mcnabb this year. he has some weapons, so i think he could post top 5 numbers.

rbs: the key here is slaton. can he hold up? but the texans have no other rbs, so he could post some good numbers.

wrs: the key here is roy williams. has a good qb. will be the WR1. could post top 15 numbers. but he still makes me nervous. this WRs seem feast or famine with Edwards/Williams

te: i like winslow. good TE, just needs to stay healthy.

Buffaloes

02.07 Tom Brady, 09.04 Matt Ryan

01.04 Matt Forte,08.07 Leon Washington, 06.07 Derrick Ward, 12.07 Darren Sproles, 07.04 Donald Brown

03.04 Marques Colston, 04.07 Chad Johnson, 11.04 Laveranues Coles, 13.04 Ted Ginn, 10.07 Kevin Walter

05.04 Dallas Clark

QB: i never like taking a QB early, and really don't like taking one after he sat out a year due to injury. Ryan, nice qb#2.

RBs: not sold on forte. no real rb#2. brown, maybe. but wouldn't be happy with this lot of running backs

WR: Coltson, can he stay on the field. I think the value pick her is chad johnson. i think ocho cinco has a nice season. Kevin Walter is a pretty good WR. i like him in the 10th round.

TE: i think clark starts to slow down.

so far, my least favorite team. questionable RBs/qb...

Choke

07.05 Tony Romo, 04.06 Kurt Warner

01.05 Michael Turner, 11.05 Tim Hightower, 06.06 Beanie Wells, 05.05 Moreno

13.05 Plaxico Burress, 02.06 Steve Smith, 03.05 Anquan Boldin, 10.06 Derrick Mason, 08.06 Steve Breaston

09.05 Greg Olsen

12.06 New York Giants

qb: Warner, scares me this year. Dude would be 38. i will let someone else take that chance. i like romo.

rb: turner is a horse and will get a ton of carries. i think moreno will have a good year. fine rb#2. nice depth with wells/hightower

wr: smith/boldin are good WR. and pick with mason/breaston. viable wr#3

te: culter will make him a top 5 TE. targeting BIG TIME after witten/gates/clark are off the board

the branded hand

09.07 Ben Roethlisberger, 04.04 Aaron Rodgers

02.04 Clinton Portis, 06.04 Darren McFadden, 13.07 LenDale White, 01.07 DeAngelo Williams, 10.04 Julius Jones

03.07 Roddy White, 08.04 Hines Ward, 07.07 Vincent Jackson, 05.07 Donnie Avery, 11.07 Hakeem Nicks

12.04 Zach Miller

qb: really like rodgers. nice WR. top 5 qb

rbs: portis, will carry the load, if he can stay healthy. could post top 10 numbers. dwill will have good games, just less TDs. mcfadden is the value play here

wr: i like vjax this year. and some nice upside pick with avery/nicks

te: someone needs to catch the ball, could be miller

laughinboy_2000

07.08 Jay Cutler, 10.03 Matt Hasselbeck

01.08 Brian Westbrook, 13.08 Jamal Lewis, 06.03 Ryan Grant, 05.08 Kevin Smith, 11.08 Sammy Morris

02.03 Andre Johnson, 04.03 T.J. Houshmandzadeh, 08.03 Santana Moss, 03.08 Dwayne Bowe, 12.03 Mark Clayton

09.08 Chris Cooley

qb: i like the value of cuter in the 7th round. and if hasselback stays healthy that is a nice qb combo

rb: depends on westie health. grant/smith good rb#2

wr. johnson is a monster. bowe will have a good year, and i am going to target this year. not sold on TJ this year, but good WR#3

TE: solid

eefflrat

01.09 Drew Brees

02.02 Frank Gore, 06.02 Marshawn Lynch, 05.09 Larry Johnson, 11.09 LeSean McCoy, 07.09 Cedric Benson

03.09 Brandon Marshall, 09.09 Torry Holt, 04.02 Wes Welker, 08.02 Anthony Gonzalez, 12.02 D. Heyward-Bey

10.02 John Carlson

13.09 Philadelphia

qb: brees could be the best qb in FF.

rbs: like gore. and lynch/johnson will give you a good rb#2. benson is the value play

wr. not real high on marshall after culter left. welker will be money. and gonzo will have a chance now that harrison is gone

te: if hasselback stays upright, carlson could have a decent year

LawFitz

09.10 Carson Palmer, 12.01 Joe Flacco

01.10 LaDainian Tomlinson, 04.01 Reggie Bush, 07.10 Willie Parker, 08.01 Felix Jones

02.01 Randy Moss, 03.10 Terrell Owens, 06.01 Eddie Royal, 11.10 Percy Harvin

05.10 Tony Gonzalez

10.01 Pittsburgh

qb: palmer, is he healthy? if he is, good value. but not a good enough backup

rb: LT is getting up there, bush is always hurt, is parker going to split carries. but i like felix jones this year

wr: moss will be moss. TO will have a good year, and i think royal is the one to own over marshall.

TE: a slight dip in numbers, but still a top 3 TE.

to boom and bust for me.

LOCO's rankings: (so far)

1. Choke

2. Laughing Boy

3. The branded Hand

4. eelfrat

5. Might Mice

6. Ratblast

7. Black

8. LawFitz

9. Buffalo

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NY Jets defense

The addition of Rex Ryan, Lito Sheppard (who will play opposite Pro bowler Darrell Revis), Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard should make this a very good defense. I only play in IDP leagues but I am confident that the Jet defense will be a good one for fantasy purposes this year.

I like this pick for all the same reasons, but think also Gholston should start to produce. With a good running game, the DEF stays rested too.

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For my last picks I need to go D and WR.

14.10 Def- New England

15.01 WR Miles Austin-Dal

I struggled with the WR pick as I like about 5 of them. I will talk about them later.

Austin has some upside. He is #3 but battling to move up. (I don't know current reports however)

Manning, Manning (I like it)

ADP, PThomas, JStewart, Mendenhall, CTaylor (love it)

Wayne, Cotchery, Hester, Crabtree, Austin (stupidly went Cotchery over DJackson after the Owens blunder. Things would have been different if SHolmes had made it past Black that round)

Witten (Like it)

Gostkowski

New England

Overall I think I can contend. I would be trading early to solidify WR#2. As I said before I probably would leave either my K or Def for a pick up later and carry an extra WR.

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Answering Black's questions

Choke

04.06 Kurt Warner 07.05 Tony Romo,

01.05 Michael Turner, 05.05 Knowshon Moreno, 06.06 Beanie Wells, 11.05 Tim Hightower, 14.06 Fred Taylor

02.06 Steve Smith, 03.05 Anquan Boldin, 08.06 Steve Breaston , 10.06 Derrick Mason, 13.05 Plaxico Burress,

09.05 Greg Olsen

12.06 New York Giants

1. What do you like about your team?

I love that I will be at nearly full strength for the entire season except week 4.

2. What do you hate about your team?

Unknowns at RB make it less then ideal.

3. Your biggest reach of the draft.

Tony Romo. Getting two top 8 QBs is odd. But that position isnt an issue at least.

4. Your biggest value pick.

Olsen. I have him ranked fifth, neck-n-neck with Gonzo. All the higher TEs went by the end of the 5th round I got one I wanted in the 9th.

5. What team(s) do you like the most?

branded hand followed by Loco and laughingboy

6. What team(s) do you think might struggle the most?

Lawfitz. Combing kerosine and flame (Owens & Moss). For him Bush and LT2 must stay healthy, oof.

7. The biggest reach(es) of the draft (all teams).

Marion Barber as a 3rd RB in the first three rounds in a 10 teamer. Changed his entire landscape.

8. The biggest value pick(s) of the draft (all teams).

Pierre Thomas

9. What players are you avoiding this year (period, or due to 'where you have to take them').

LT2 at his ranking area.

10. What players are you targeting this year (period, or b/c of the value where you can get them).

TEs Clark & Olsen.

11. What would you do differently with this draft next time?

I should have taken Mendenhall (Im a Steeler homer) but otherwise... not much at all. I felt "in control" and aware of the ebb & flow during most picks.

Before the draft started I looked at how I wanted things to be. I wanted a Top 5- QB, RB, WR, TE, Def. And I wanted a shot at a top 15 WR and RB.

That would put me in the top half of scoring at every position sans the #3WR and K. I would assume I reached those goals (though I got very lucky at TE and RB#2). Thus I should almost never be outmanned.

Some of this rides upon the fact that either Moreno or Wells/Hightower can produce. Certainly not perfect in this area... but you cant get everything. They at least have some seriously large potential.

I also hit it big with having almost all my byes on week 4. Someone gets a freebie against my squad that day, otherwise Im fully loaded almost all year.

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As I said before I probably would leave either my K or Def for a pick up later and carry an extra WR.

I had been considering this for a long while also, but figured its better to have everyone have a complete line up for this scenario.If a team cant field an entire line up, their draft ranking would suffer a sizable negative impact.

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Overall I feel this team could compete with any other team in this mock. I stated earlier that i only play in one league and it is a dynasty keeper league, salary cap IDP. I haven't "drafted" a team from scratch since 1998, so this was fun. Thanks for having me

Looks like you aren't out of practice for re-draft. It's a very good team here. What does your dynasty team look like (and basic rules?)
don't want to hijack the thread, but here is the link to the rosters in my league... http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2009...=25205&O=07

My team is Ratso Rizzo and looks like this:

Brees, Drew NOS QB - $16

Arrington, J.J. DEN RB $20

Benson, Cedric CIN RB - $10

Charles, Jamaal KCC RB - $10

Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - $10

Johnson, Larry KCC RB - $2

Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB $28

Rice, Ray BAL RB - $10

Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB - $19

Edwards, Braylon CLE WR - $23

Jackson, DeSean PHI WR - $11

Moore, Lance NOS WR (P) - $10

Owens, Terrell BUF WR - $13

Davis, Vernon SFO TE - $13

Winslow, Kellen TBB TE - $3

Howard, Thomas OAK LB - $1

Witherspoon, Will STL LB - $3

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Keep in mind we can only keep up to 12 of the possible 20 man roster ($220 salary cap). We can keep a guy forever. It is a start 1QB 1RB 2WR 1 O FLEX 1 TE 1PK 1DL 1LB 1DB AND 1DFlex

It is a heavy PPR and TD's are the same for QB's and get bonuses for distance. It's an odd scoring system, but we love it.

I have the many of the league's overall records if you care to look at the history page.

I make many trades every season, so my roster always evolves. My plan is to cut Brandon Jax, JJ Arrington, Howard and witherspoon and Lance Moore (maybe VD instead). I also am hoping to trade some guys for a WR upgrade (like Braylon Rice and mendenhall for someone like Marshall or colston).

Anyway, that's that.

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Real quickly...

Since this excercise was for LawFitz direct benifit, and since in a standard seprentine the later the initial pick, the far worse off you are (you guys should really consider the Banzai Method or 3RS)...

HindSight draft at the 10 hole.

RMoss

AJohnson

PThomas

KMoreno

MLynch

LMoore

SBreaston

GOlsen

CPalmer

Pitt

Eli

Lewis

McGahee

McLain

Kicker

You end up huge at WR. (absolutely killing people)

You end up very solid at RB. (you are deeeep, with top tier potential)

You are fine at TE and keep the best Def.

You end up with the same QBs you had, but you simply cant get everything, this is the one weakness. But should be 10 + starting FAs out there.

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For my last picks I need to go D and WR.

14.10 Def- New England

15.01 WR Miles Austin-Dal

I was about to take NE...probably should have then taking Jennings, who is probably going to go under the radar with MJD in front of him (but a good handcuff for MJD, i think).

15.02 CHI DEF...yeah yeah, I know. Getting old, finished around 11th last year...but, well, we'll see.

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Banzai Method or 3RS

Please elaborate on these!...I have been looking at the two types of 3rd Round Reversal, and wondering when it provides more balance. In a 10 team league should it be considered?

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Banzai Method or 3RS

Please elaborate on these!...I have been looking at the two types of 3rd Round Reversal, and wondering when it provides more balance. In a 10 team league should it be considered?
Please don't actually, lets finish the mock.

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Kaeding at K. I'm done.

I would roll with my roster into the league and love my chances. Obviously, injuries are the thing to avoid (Somebody posted "if this team loses McNabb, SJax and Jones loses carries it could be in trouble..." Really? If any team loses its QB, RB1, and RB3 and it might be in trouble. I don't predict injuries, and Jones looks good for 2009.) If healthy, this team is solid top to bottom.

QB: McNabb............Elite O-line and a bevy of weapons. Top 5.

RB:Sjax, Slaton...........The duo I targeted with the ppr requirements. Have Slaton #6 overall. Gets ALL the touches at RB in HOU

WR: Jennings, Edwards, Roy...........Jennings is a legit #1WR. Edwards and Roy should be top 20-30 WR based on targets and opportunity. For the 4th/7th price tag they provide a good duo. Potential for huge seasons out of all three. If my WR3 busts, and he cost me a 7th, this is my only downside. But my depth, working trades (and waivers) cover this poential flaw.

TE: Winslow...............absolute monster in TB. Should get a lot of targets. Bucs new coaching invested heavily in him for a reason

K: Kaeding

DST: Minnesota...............very solid unit. Sacks, turnovers, and Harvin returning kicks?

Good depth------- T. Jones, Driver, Rice, C. Henry, Keller, Edwards.

Best Value - Slaton at 2.08. In PPR impossible not to have him ranked top 10 based on touches and role

Biggest reach of the draft: Pierre Thomas at the 4/5 turn. Sheesh. A few good games last year and all offseason people talking Pierre Thomas up. "He started over Mendenhall. He will take over for McAllister and when Bush gets hurt...he's the SOD." Thomas has a good situation in a high powered offense. What his role in it is, that's debatable. I would not touch him before the 6th/7th. He is closer to the the #30 overall RB on my rankings than #20 that he will be drafted at or before. Comparable production can be had out of Thomas Jones, Ward or Grant - guys taken almost TWO ROUNDS after him.

Best Value - Witten at the 4/5 turn. Best TE in FFL, by far, and looking potential to garner oodles more targets. Gates, Clark and Gonzo went within the next 12 picks, and Witten towers over these "peers"

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Biggest reach of the draft: Pierre Thomas at the 4/5 turn. Sheesh. A few good games last year and all offseason people talking Pierre Thomas up. "He started over Mendenhall. He will take over for McAllister and when Bush gets hurt...he's the SOD." Thomas has a good situation in a high powered offense. What his role in it is, that's debatable. I would not touch him before the 6th/7th. He is closer to the the #30 overall RB on my rankings than #20 that he will be drafted at or before. Comparable production can be had out of Thomas Jones, Ward or Grant - guys taken almost TWO ROUNDS after him.

You are underestimating him.Two years ago he was the best RB in camp. Over Bush, McAllister and Stecker. But the team didnt have to place the chores on him with the vets around.Still he avg 4.8 a carry that year. And last year? Best in camp again and 4.8 again, with twice the workload. Lets also note his receptions jumped from 17 to 31 and has 9 yards a pop on those.5-11 and 215# is almost ideal. He is 24 years old. He also had 800 kick return yards each year, though it should go down if he gets 200 carries.Adding in his preseason stats ... his total body of work gives us... 229-rushes 1131-yards (4.94), 13-td61-rec 591-yards 4-tdAnd that is with 7 total starts. He has only had 1 fumble in 367 chances.Bush is still limited due to his knee. (He called himself 75% a week ago) And is never the inside runner or goalline option even when healthy. McAllister is gone. Stecker is relegated. They grabbed no rookies or free agents.And Thomas' yards per carry was a full yard better then damn near anyone else on the Saints over the past two seasons.The Saint offense is the best in the land, potentially. They still had 445 total rushes last year, good for 13th in the league despite almost breaking Marino's passing record.He could be "average". Which would still be an okay selection at the 4/5 turn. Yet you call him a reach? I'll just have to disagree.

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You are over-estimating him.

Adding in pre-season numbers? David Clowney was awesome in preseason the last two years. Where is he being drafted in your leagues?

Preseason numbers and spot work - when he's fresh - don't add up to a "full season." take all those 8 carry days and week 2 preseason against the Bengals stats. They mean little. If he gets 200 touches you will see a serious drop.

Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt.

PT = Average back in an RBBC. It's a PPR league, and he's not even the primary pass catching back in the RBBC. The 4/5 turn in a 10 teamer? Hard to see him justifying that.

I'm assuming things go right for Pierre, and he gets 1100 total yards and 30 catches, maybe 8 TD. That's 173 points. Round 6 RBs like Ward, Grant, and Jones should all be comparable.

It is hard to find a more hyped - or overinflated player - than PT this offseason. I mean, did you see what he did in the preseason in 2007? It's like urban legend.

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You are over-estimating him.Adding in pre-season numbers? David Clowney was awesome in preseason the last two years. Where is he being drafted in your leagues? Preseason numbers and spot work - when he's fresh - don't add up to a "full season." take all those 8 carry days and week 2 preseason against the Bengals stats. They mean little. If he gets 200 touches you will see a serious drop. Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. PT = Average back in an RBBC. It's a PPR league, and he's not even the primary pass catching back in the RBBC. The 4/5 turn in a 10 teamer? Hard to see him justifying that. I'm assuming things go right for Pierre, and he gets 1100 total yards and 30 catches, maybe 8 TD. That's 173 points. Round 6 RBs like Ward, Grant, and Jones should all be comparable.It is hard to find a more hyped - or overinflated player - than PT this offseason. I mean, did you see what he did in the preseason in 2007? It's like urban legend.

It just shows a consistency to his work. He keeps producing at a high level at every opportunity.Now he will have a bigger role... there is no reason to expect him to falter or come up short of his own levels.If "things go right", Bush will be limited once again by health issues and Thomas will turn his 4.8 average loose on 260 carries and all the goalline work for the Saints. Let alone receiving.

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15.05 K David Akers.

week 4 bye date :brush:

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15.06 Kicker. i really don't care. K. neil rackers.

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "

Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.

I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.

I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

Per PFT they tried repeatedly to move into the end of the first to grab Beanie. Not a vote of confidence.

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You are over-estimating him.Adding in pre-season numbers? David Clowney was awesome in preseason the last two years. Where is he being drafted in your leagues? Preseason numbers and spot work - when he's fresh - don't add up to a "full season." take all those 8 carry days and week 2 preseason against the Bengals stats. They mean little. If he gets 200 touches you will see a serious drop. Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. PT = Average back in an RBBC. It's a PPR league, and he's not even the primary pass catching back in the RBBC. The 4/5 turn in a 10 teamer? Hard to see him justifying that. I'm assuming things go right for Pierre, and he gets 1100 total yards and 30 catches, maybe 8 TD. That's 173 points. Round 6 RBs like Ward, Grant, and Jones should all be comparable.It is hard to find a more hyped - or overinflated player - than PT this offseason. I mean, did you see what he did in the preseason in 2007? It's like urban legend.

It just shows a consistency to his work. He keeps producing at a high level at every opportunity.Now he will have a bigger role... there is no reason to expect him to falter or come up short of his own levels.If "things go right", Bush will be limited once again by health issues and Thomas will turn his 4.8 average loose on 260 carries and all the goalline work for the Saints. Let alone receiving.
No, it shows he looked good in training camp and the pre-season. If he gets 260 touches - and that's a huge if - he will probably see a drop in his 4.8 average he accumulated in a handful of starts and regular spot duty the first half of the year. NO brought in PJ Hill and Mike Bell to fight for short yardage duties. (FBG blogger) So I would not bank on goalline, and obviously, Bush is the pass catching back. Pierre is a between the 20's guy, an RBBC guy, a potentially good guy. I like PT. I have him as a 6-7 round value. To exceed that, he will need an injury to Bush. I'm not picking anyone in the 4th/5th rounds that I am depending on an injury for him to succeed. He also will have to fight off contenders for GL work. And to extrapolate pre-season and spot duty is worrisome.

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

Per PFT they tried repeatedly to move into the end of the first to grab Beanie. Not a vote of confidence.
Link?

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "

Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.

I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.

I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

Per PFT they tried repeatedly to move into the end of the first to grab Beanie. Not a vote of confidence.
Link?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/25/...-to-get-beanie/

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "

Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.

I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.

I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

Per PFT they tried repeatedly to move into the end of the first to grab Beanie. Not a vote of confidence.
Link?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/25/...-to-get-beanie/
Nice link! But do you think they would have done the same for Crabtree? I do. I believe this has nothing to do with PThomas skills or lack there of. It has to do with Beanie slipping too far on their draft board. They undoubtedly would carry more RBs than Bush and Thomas.

In the end we have PThomas, Bush, Bell, Evens and... am I missing anyone? That to me looks like a good gamble for at least the strong part of a RBBC. I AM drinking the PThomas kool aid.

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"Saints tried to move up and grab Beanie Wells - I will not be surprised if they bring in someone else to get RB touches. For the same reasons they "didn't hand over the chores" until everyone else was hurt. "

Did they actually try? I read they would have tried if he got to the second round. Many teams might have done that.

I understand that those other RBs have value but many would argue if either one ranks ahead of Pierre, even you might not rank them higher. Remember I was at the turn and really couldn't think anyone would be there at my next pick.

I'm not getting defensive because I picked him, I own him in my main keeper and I am psyched for him to prove my genius, so to speak.

Per PFT they tried repeatedly to move into the end of the first to grab Beanie. Not a vote of confidence.
Link?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/25/...-to-get-beanie/
Nice link! But do you think they would have done the same for Crabtree? I do. I believe this has nothing to do with PThomas skills or lack there of. It has to do with Beanie slipping too far on their draft board. They undoubtedly would carry more RBs than Bush and Thomas.

In the end we have PThomas, Bush, Bell, Evens and... am I missing anyone? That to me looks like a good gamble for at least the strong part of a RBBC. I AM drinking the PThomas kool aid.

I think there is definitely some merit to that. I wasn't really a part of the argument until I posted the link but I am leaning toward Thomas being a decent RB2 in this format. It seems he will be the guy just based on the fact that Bush is coming back from a knee injury and the lack of competition. The fact that he's playing the Saints' offense makes him that much more appealing. He's definitely a guy to keep an eye on.

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Sorry for not replying for a few days guys but I've been super busy the last week. Wife and I just entered escrow to buy our first house so it's been a bit of a whirlwind.

First off, thanks to each of you for such enthusiastic participation. I really enjoyed doing this draft and would love to do it again next year if you guys are game again.

Secondly, I don't hate my team as much as you guys seem to. The biggest problem I have with it is questionable durability for Palmer, LT, Bush. I love my WRs (higher on TO than most) and I am quietly high on the Ravens offense - their OLine is just sick with Gaither, Grubbs, Birk, Yanda and Oher.

I love the Pitt D and I think Tony G still has a lot left in the tank and will be a huge safety valve for Ryan.

My biggest regret is not getting Sproles and Mendenhall as handcuffs and ideally a safer QB than Palmer but overall I'm not too upset. The 10 spot is not easy as you continually have to either take the value guy that fell (usually for a reason - LT, Bush, etc) or reach for a guy b/c he won't last another 18 picks even though he might last another 15 (i.e. Michael Bush, Pierre Thomas, Sproles, etc).

All that said, going through this trial run with a bunch of solid drafters will pay big dividends for me so thanks again to each of you.

BTW, for my last pick I'll take a guy by the name of Generic Kicker. Mr. irrelevant indeed.

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I'll take a Kicker on my last pick, too. I think this mock is pretty much over. I am running my team through the FGB Team Rater...pretty interesting.

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11.9 Lesean Mccoythis is a what the hell pickLI need a backup QB, two more WR's, one more RB, and a Defense,I am an Eagles Homer, and I know westy is 30 and he has really never been able to play a full season. I expect that to happen again this year, and McCoy should fill in nicely. Backups like this come in handy if you make FF playoffs and the cards fall right.Also, if i were the Westy owner I would not be happy right now. I thought about Charles to handcuff with LJ, but I don't think he's going to be trusted even if LJ goes down...I thought about a guy who had 700 yards and 15 TD's last year too....but in the end I'll grab a rookie

Called it here guys. Now who would be feeling better, the guy that took Westy in round 1, or the guy that grabbed his eventual replacement 10 rounds later. Westy can't stay healthy, enough said.

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