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How do you feel about Cutler now? (current info on pg 46) (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Kool-Aid Larry
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When Cutler isn't even seeing a wide open Earl Bennett, you know something is wrong.. Cutler loves throwing to him in coverage. I really think he got his concussion way earlier.. combine that with the crappy Oline, relentless pressure, and I can understand a game like last night.
sho nuff
Footballguy
How was none of last night his fault?The Packers Oline sucked last year, but 90% of the fans out there could see that part of it was Rodgers fault for holding the ball too long at times.
The blame should be shared between (in descending order): (a) the OC for not changing to a scheme that gave Cutler added protection he needed; (b) the O-line for not being up to blocking, well, anybody; and Cutler for not just throwing the ball away in a timely fashion. Note that with the last one they Bears' offense would still have been in BIG trouble as it does not get first downs.
RBM
Footballguy
Cutler just doesnt hold the ball like that. He would be more inclined to just chuck it around and try to force things that arent there and wind up with like 4 picks, than holding it like he was.I dont think he was seeing properly.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I still love Cutler's potential - I'll take him in every league I can get him in
netnalp
Footballguy
Just noticed the Giants had sacks on SIX STRAIGHT passing plays by the Bears last night. That has to be some kind of record. #nyg
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
As if your point by posting their stats through 4 games was valid because they played against the exact same teams in the exact same situations right?Again...Rodgers (fantasy and reality) has proven to be >>> Cutler
Plenty who are not Packer fans can come to this conclusion...but you seem to just think its Packer fans right?
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
That would be because Packer fans live in this thread. I feel that I bring useful information that isn't "hater" esque in the Packers thread.You say proven to be....but Cutler has better stats....yet that isn't valid at all???
sho nuff
Footballguy
Looking at "who posted in this thread" seems to show the top posters are hardly just Packer fans.I say proven to be...Cutler has better "stats" right now over 4 games (by a small margin)...is it valid? To base their overall play and talent on 4 games this year and no others is not very valid...no.Rodgers has more yards, more TDs (passing plus 2 rushing TDs), and a higher passing percetanage.Cutler has him in rating, and fewer INTs...but Cutler adds in 2 lost fumbles to even up turnovers.Rating and yards are quite close too.And interesting is prior to last night Cutler has been given quite a bit of praise...and most agree Rodgers has not been playing up to his potential and how most know he can play.So Cutler has better stats? You only want to go by rating and yards per attempt?
switz
Footballguy
I'm not sure what stats you are referring to, but it can't be the ones you quoted.In those, Cutler has a better pass rating, barely better TD to INT ratio, whereas Rodgers has thrown for more yards and more TDs. They're pretty close in those stats.Of course if you look at the last few seasons, Rodgers has a huge lead over Cutler statistically.And no, I'm not a Packer fan.
there is NO homerism whatsoever. stop it, I don't care about about cutler or grads. I was just trying to push the point across that there are warrior QBs like grads, shaun hill and garcia, who, despite their shortcomings, win games and get their offenses pumped up because they are winners. on other hand, you have guys with great physical talent who lack leadership. I'm not 'pimping' anyone- I was just pointing out what the poster who I quoted meant, or at least what I thought he meant.and the thing is, Cutler has been a disappointed career. I was saying how I would easily take Orton over Cutler before Cutler's season last year. In fact, Cutler has been nothing more than mediocre. And last year he was a bum. His best year, he still had a crappy TD/int ratio, despite having 1)one of the offensive playcalling geniuses in Shanahan 2) an elite O-line 3)brandon marshall and a good receiving core. That last year in Denver was when people starting jumping on his jockstrap, and it was pretty disgusting, just as it is disgusting watching Favre- the media darling and a Madden favorite- get tons of praise when chucking the ball like crazy. That's not good QBing, it's an entertaining farce.
and, if you actually have read my post, my gripe with cutler is simple- decisions. you are not supposed to throw in double coverage or triple coverage. get rid of the ball when pressure is coming, or no one is open. it's really simple. but decisions is what the QB position is all about, that and reading the defense. and cutler is terrible at both. he tries to do too much relying on his cannon.
like I've said, I don't care about QB's volume numbers, he might toss 35 tds, but if he tosses 30 picks to go with it, it is not a good year at all.
yes, that is an excellent move right there man !yes, take the 4 game sample size and write out stats.
why dont you do career numbers ? oh wait, the career numbers don't seem to support your theory at all, that's why !
I mean, over the last 4 games, Michael Vick and Mark Sanchez have better QB rating than Drew Brees. Well that settles it, right ? Vick, Fez > Brees, right ?
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
At least Jeff George was able to lead his team to a winning record in 3 out of 12 seasons.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Let me see Vanderbilt, Denver and now Chicago. I think my point has a lot more validity than you want to admit. We are not talking about championships, just a winning season.
KenM746003
Footballguy
I'm not sure if everyone was watching the same game I was.
The O-Line was horrendous. Five Bears' OL could not block four Giants DL. They not only did not block them, they did not even slow them up. So there were seven guys in coverage. I'm pretty sure that in that case no one is likely to be open. NO QB would complete passes under those circumstances (well, MAYBE Peyton). Especially with an average group of receivers.
As a Bears' fan, I am fine with Cutler. Get him an O-Line and a good receiver, and he will be at least above average, still with the potential to be a top 3 QB.
And as a Bears' fan, I will admit that Rodgers is way better. There is not really any comparison between them. I think I saw Rodgers' career red zone numbers yesterday, and it was like 40 TD's and ONE interception. Cutler is not there yet, and may never get to that level.
Right now Cutler is an average QB with the potential to be a lot better. Maybe he will keep making dumb decisions and never get there. But he is a tough guy and you have to respect that. He really has taken a beating as a Bear. He also may have had a concussion before the Ross hit (I heard on radio that he ran to wrong sideline earlier in the game).
Excuses? Maybe. But everyone has bad games. And Cutler has been excellent before this game.
The O-Line was horrendous. Five Bears' OL could not block four Giants DL. They not only did not block them, they did not even slow them up. So there were seven guys in coverage. I'm pretty sure that in that case no one is likely to be open. NO QB would complete passes under those circumstances (well, MAYBE Peyton). Especially with an average group of receivers.
As a Bears' fan, I am fine with Cutler. Get him an O-Line and a good receiver, and he will be at least above average, still with the potential to be a top 3 QB.
And as a Bears' fan, I will admit that Rodgers is way better. There is not really any comparison between them. I think I saw Rodgers' career red zone numbers yesterday, and it was like 40 TD's and ONE interception. Cutler is not there yet, and may never get to that level.
Right now Cutler is an average QB with the potential to be a lot better. Maybe he will keep making dumb decisions and never get there. But he is a tough guy and you have to respect that. He really has taken a beating as a Bear. He also may have had a concussion before the Ross hit (I heard on radio that he ran to wrong sideline earlier in the game).
Excuses? Maybe. But everyone has bad games. And Cutler has been excellent before this game.
switz
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much everything but the bolded...I don't see Cutler even having the talent to approach Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers... can he be a good QB, yeah for sure... but a GREAT QB... I haven't seen anything yet to make me think so - even when he was in DEN putting up yardage totals he was tossing picks left and right. Great QBs do more than compile some stats, they lead their team to wins - Cutler just doesn't do that consistently, not even in the best of circumstances like he had in Denver.
But Cutler isn't the only problem in Chicago, and far from the biggest problem - coaching, management, OL, running game are all more of a problem than Cutler
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...I don't Cutler has the QB mind to be up there with those. I think he has the arm...but not everything else that goes with it right now.And yes, they have plenty of problems...far more than just Cutler's issues.
SmoovySmoov
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I love it when Cutler bashers talk like his fans talk him up like he is the best QB in the NFL, when no one does that. Is he a good QB? Absolutely. Does he have some bad games that make you scratch your head? Absolutely. See: the game at SF last year. Does he have some great games that make you wonder why he can't play like that all of the time? Absolutely. See: the game vs. Dallas 15 days ago. Like has been said, he is a good QB. He has the potential to be great, but he still needs to work on several areas of his game. If I had to list the 10 best NFL QBs right now (real, not in fantasy football), he would be in the upper half - top 16, but probably not quite top 10. He needs to show more consistency first. But for whatever reason, Cutler is a very polarizing player, so whenever he has a bad game, which, yes, he does have sometimes, they come out in full force, and then we hear all of this talk about how that bad game is the "real" Jay Cutler, like all of the good games somehow never happened. The critics taking that stance are as disingenuous as the Peyton Manning bashers who act like he does nothing but choke in big games, pointing at his poor playoff performances and acting like his great ones either never happened or don't matter. No, I am not saying Cutler is the equal of Peyton Manning - no one in their right mind would say that - but I am just pointing out what can happen when sports fans get too focused on constantly hating on a player.
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squistion
Footballguy
I was going to bring that up myself. If one is familiar with what he had to work with it at Vanderbilt, he actually did pretty well, given the circumstances. Pointing to his record there doesn't really prove much of anything IMO.
chook
Footballguy
No, you're a pathetic Cutler hater.Go post something about how good Felix Jones is.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Bears.What does that have to do with a QB vs. QB comparison.Rodgers had better numbers that night.
switz
Footballguy
Oh I missed where someone saying they think he's a top-3 QB is somehow not talking him up like he's a great QB.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I feel he takes a lot of sacks.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
so, all he needs is a time machine.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
cutlol SUX!!!!!!
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
1 word for Cutler supporters... 'YIKES'
grateful zed
Footballguy
i like the way he is playing.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Funny how the most outspoken bashers of Cutler never bump this thread after a day like today, where Cutler was spectacular and instrumental in the Bears defeating a red-hot Eagles team.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Cutler clearly outplayed FBG darling Vick today. I love the sound of silence.
he's looking pretty good.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He still forces the ball in spots he shouldn't at times but he played well today. Martz is orchestrating that offense at a high level right now and Jay is responding positively.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Next time he has a bad game it'll get bumped. The problem is he has already had a successful year in a new offense with a weak offensive line. Nothing has changed--he forces passes sometimes, but he's an excellent quarterback who can make throws that other quarterbacks can't to win games. If he eats the ball and takes the sack, like he did today, instead of throwing it up for grabs, the Bears will do very well with that defense.
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biggamer3
Footballguy
I like Cutler but between the ears he still doesnt get it sometimes.Like today, up 12 with 4 mins to go and 3rd down he tried to force a stupid pass over the middle that was nearly a pick 6. You wont see a Peyton or Brady make that pass in the same situation
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
In a shocking twist, not every QB can be a Peyton or Brady. Be happy you have a competent QB that can actually play behind a third-rate O-line.
What did Peyton do last week? Down 3 in field goal range, made a stupid pass that was picked off. Cutler makes stupid decisions, we get it. But he can also do things most QBs can't with his arm. He isn't manning or Brady. Only maybe 5 guys ever are as good or better than them.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Why would you find that funny?
switz
Footballguy
He had a good game today, as I already posted in the game thread.Do I suddenly think he's a top-3 or even top-5 QB in the NFL? No.It was just one game.Switz?
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Passes 15,000 career passing yards...
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