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League sources: Eric Mangini will be back to coach Cleveland Browns

Cleveland.com

By Tony Grossi

January 07, 2010

Berea, Ohio - Eric Mangini will return as Browns coach for the 2010 season, two league sources confirm.

Adam Schefter of ESPN.com was first to report that Mangini has survived the evaluation of new President Mike Holmgren.

According to a team source with knowledge of the situation, most of Mangini's assistant coaches will also be back.

The Browns have confirmed that Mangini will return. They will issue statements from Holmgren and Mangini shortly. Neither will be available for questions.

Mangini evidently impressed Holmgren during at least two days of one-on-one meetings, which were held to determine if the men from different football cultures could co-exist and work together to reach the same goal.

Mangini, 5-11 in his first season as Browns coach, has three years remaining on his contract. The original four-year deal has been reported as being worth $15.3 million.

Still, it's a stunning triumph for Mangini -- and keeps his winning streak alive. After starting his era with a franchise-worst 1-11 record, he turned around the team to win the last four games.

At his introductory news conference on Tuesday, Holmgren had said that Mangini "absolutely" had the chance to come back, even though Holmgren downplayed the four-game winning streak at the end.

Holmgren gave Mangini a list of points to consider the night before their big meeting on Wednesday. That meeting lasted two hours, a team source said Mangini reported to work at 7 the next morning -- two hours ahead of Holmgren -- and the two football "lifers" met again.

Holmgren informed Mangini of his decision at about 3 o'clock.

A club source said that most of Mangini's assistants will also return. One who won't is receivers coach George McDonald, who has accepted a similar position at Rutgers University.

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I think he deserves another crack at it. Towards the end of the year when everyone wouldn't have blamed them for packing it in, he managed to somehow polish a turd. There is clear direction.

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2010 NFL Draft

Radio City Music Hall, New York

Rd. 1: Thurs., April 22, 7:30 p.m. ET

Rd. 2-3: Fri., April 23, 6:30 p.m. ET

Rd. 4-7: Sat., April 24, 10 a.m. ET

1. St. Louis (1-15)

2. Detroit (2-14)

3. Tampa Bay (3-13)

4. Washington (4-12)

5. Kansas City (4-12)

6. Seattle (5-11)

7. Cleveland (5-11)

8. Oakland (5-11)

9. Buffalo (6-10)

10/11. Chicago (7-9)* (Traded to DEN)

10/11. Jacksonville (7-9)*

12. Miami (7-9)

13. San Francisco (8-8)

14. Denver (8-8)(Traded to SEA)

15. New York Giants (8-8)

16/17. Carolina (8-8)* (Traded to SF)

16/17. Tennessee (8-8)*

18. Pittsburgh (9-7)

19/20. Atlanta (9-7)*

19/20. Houston (9-7)*

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I think he deserves another crack at it.

agree

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New year!

Mangini -- Can't really complain. Let's see what he can do with a hopefully upgraded roster. Plus, if he doesn't make progress, I'd rather have Gruden than anything out there right now.

Browns -- pay the man Cribbs but don't take it in the rear, he won't end up being worth it.

Cribbs -- and your agent -- show some class. Holmgren wasn't puppeteering Savage, Kokinas, etc for the past two years. Make a 10M counter to Holmgren if you are upset with his first offer (which no way was take it or leave it). Yeah, Lerner might have said something at some point a while ago, but that was wrong of him.

Draft!

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Mangini -- Can't really complain. Let's see what he can do with a hopefully upgraded roster. Plus, if he doesn't make progress, I'd rather have Gruden than anything out there right now.

Gruden or even Holmgren himself.

Browns -- pay the man Cribbs but don't take it in the rear, he won't end up being worth it.

agree

Cribbs -- and your agent -- show some class.

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Here's to this thread being filled with better news than the last few! :lmao:

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Drennan just had one of Cribbs' agents on the phone and oh boy, if what he said was true look out. Bruce couldn't believe it and the agent (Rickert) couldn't either.

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Here's to this thread being filled with better news than the last few! :goodposting:

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Cribbs says farewell, "It's over" in Cleveland

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 7, 2010 5:41 PM ET

Browns wide receiver and return man Josh Cribbs says he's finished in Cleveland.

"I said good-bye to some people on the medical staff, some of the equipment guys and the coaches,'' Cribbs told the Cleveland Plain Dealer today. "I wished the coaches luck and told them I hoped they kept their job. But it absolutely felt like the last time I'd be setting foot inside the building. I feel like it's over for me in Cleveland.''

Cribbs, who previously said he doesn't think he fits in new front office boss Mike Holmgren's plans, said he expects Holmgren to trade him during the off-season.

"There's no way I'll play another down for the Browns without the new contract,'' he said. "They won't let me sit, because I have value. They'd be forced to trade me.''

Cribbs said Holmgren made the right call in retaining Browns coach Eric Mangini, but he thinks Holmgren has insulted him by giving him a $1.4 million a year offer that suggests the Browns see him as strictly a special teams player, and not a threat on offense.

"I'm not just insulted by the number, but by the fact they consider me just a kick returner," Cribbs said. "I'm so much more than that. . . . I'm shocked they make me an offer like that after all I've done for this team."

In addition to being a Pro Bowl returner, Cribbs caught 20 passes for 135 yards and ran 55 times for 381 yards this season.

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Drennan just had one of Cribbs' agents on the phone and oh boy, if what he said was true look out. Bruce couldn't believe it and the agent (Rickert) couldn't either.

All Bets Are Off? Not on again til midnight....

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Listening to the Rizzo/Schaffer interview, I definitely see more of Cribbs' side.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=...476&f=40536

But, these comments Cribbs is making publically are ridiculous.

Browns need to pony up a $3m offer for 3-5 years and put the ball squarely in Cribbs' agents court. If they pass, let him watch NFL football from his couch for three years.

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Drennan just had one of Cribbs' agents on the phone and oh boy, if what he said was true look out. Bruce couldn't believe it and the agent (Rickert) couldn't either.

All Bets Are Off? Not on again til midnight....
Yes

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Hassie and a 4th for Cribbs and Quinn?

i wouldn't take that deal. i think Hasslebeck is done.

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Here's to this thread being filled with better news than the last few! :banned:

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Hassie and a 4th for Cribbs and Quinn?

i wouldn't take that deal. i think Hasslebeck is done.
yep...what good is a 35-yr old injury prone QB coming off his worst season ever?

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Hassie and a 4th for Cribbs and Quinn?

i wouldn't take that deal. i think Hasslebeck is done.
yep...what good is a 35-yr old injury prone QB coming off his worst season ever?
To a team that is rebuilding........ That makes no sense whatsoever. The Browns can sign a vet for much cheaper and not have to give Cribbs away. BTW, is there any concrete evidence floating around that Holmgren has actually spoken with Cribbs?

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BTW, is there any concrete evidence floating around that Holmgren has actually spoken with Cribbs?

Not that I've seen.

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BTW, is there any concrete evidence floating around that Holmgren has actually spoken with Cribbs?

Not that I've seen.
Yeah, I think cooler heads will prevail when Holmgren sits down with Cribbs. I like Cribbs, but he needs to inform his agent that he's not helping matters by acting like a 3 year old.

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Holmgren - Heckert - Mangini

Heckert leaving Eagles to become Browns GM

Jan. 10, 2010

CLEVELAND -- Tom Heckert is leaving the Eagles' nest.

Philadelphia's general manager has agreed to become the Cleveland Browns' new GM, a person familiar with the hiring told the Associated Press on Sunday.

The person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the details of Heckert's contract have not been finalized, said the 42-year-old could join the team as early as Monday. The Browns recently hired Mike Holmgren as their president and now have found a replacement for GM George Kokinis, fired by the club in November.

Cleveland's front office is being reorganized under Holmgren, who interviewed Heckert last week in between meetings with coach Eric Mangini. Holmgren announced Thursday he was bringing Mangini back for a second season.

Heckert has been with the Eagles since 2002, serving as the club's GM since 2006. He began in Philadelphia's pro personnel department and during his time with the club, the Eagles won four NFC East titles and went to one Super Bowl. Heckert was in the final year of his contract in Philadelphia.

It's not known how much final authority Heckert will have over Cleveland's roster, draft and free-agency moves. In Philadelphia, he had to defer those decisions to coach Andy Reid. Heckert was considered for Cleveland's GM job last winter, but he withdrew his name after Mangini was hired.

Heckert has ties to the Browns. His father, Tom Sr., worked as a scout for the team in the 1980s.

Holmgren also interviewed Will Lewis, Seattle's director of pro personnel, for the GM opening. Lewis worked with Holmgren in Green Bay and Seattle. Lewis was a minority candidate, so his interview fulfilled the Browns' obligation to comply with the NFL's Rooney Rule.

It's possible Lewis could wind up in Cleveland. The Seahawks are undergoing a massive overhaul following coach Jim Mora's firing on Friday and are in negotiations with Southern California coach Pete Carroll.

Mangini's leash is about this long -

First few weeks of the schedule will be very interesting...

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*Heckert official

*Wiedmeier in as Exec VP of Bus Ops

*Heckert controls draft and 53-man

*Mangini NOT on short leash

*Mangini's staff** IS STILL being reviewed (**insert Daboll here)

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/..._to_announ.html

Browns boss Mike Holmgren says new GM Tom Heckert will have final say on roster, while coach Eric Mangini isn't on 'one-year trial'

By Tony Grossi

January 12, 2010, 2:08AM

UPDATED: 8:27 p.m.

BEREA, Ohio -- In the new Browns organization, coach Eric Mangini has less authority on selecting players, but he will maintain control over his coaching staff and not be on a one-year trial, President Mike Holmgren said Monday.

The comments came after Holmgren introduced Tom Heckert, formerly of Philadelphia, as general manager, and Bryan Wiedmeier as executive vice president of business operations. Wiedmeier had been with the Miami Dolphins for 29 years, including three as team president.

Heckert will have authority over the draft and the makeup of the 53-man roster, Holmgren said.

Former General Manager George Kokinis had similar language in his contract, but was fired on Nov. 2. Kokinis claims in a $4 million arbitration against the club that he was fraudulently hired by being promised responsibilities the Browns had no intention of keeping.

But in his first spoken comments since announcing Mangini would return as coach, Holmgren expressed sympathy for Mangini having to do too much in his first season.

"I think he was thrust in a position where he had to accept a lot more responsibility than was fair ... through no fault of his own," Holmgren said.

Holmgren said Heckert and Wiedmeier will be among "three or four" positions that will report directly to him "and then have a lot of responsibility throughout the organization."

Holmgren would not say if Mangini reports under Heckert in his organization chart. Mangini reported directly to owner Randy Lerner last season.

We're looking at it as a partnership," Holmgren said. "I'm there to break the ties. If we do this right, while we might disagree, at the end of the day when we pick a player or make a decision on a cut, it's for the Cleveland Browns. We will all do it as a group together."

The Browns were 5-11 after winning their last four games in Mangini's first season. His contract has three more years remaining, but the announcement on Thursday that Mangini would be retained specifically stated "in 2010."

Holmgren said that the wording was not intended to put Mangini on a short leash. He said if he felt that way he would been better off "clearing the decks and starting over again."

"He's not on a one-year trial," Holmgren said. "I will say this: My expectations for the football team are at a certain level. They know that. This business can be harsh at times. So I expect us to improve, as do they. Please don't infer I was saying this is a one-year shot. Everyone's accountable for the job they do, and we'll see what happens."

Holmgren said Mangini is reviewing his coaching staff and would not rule out "a couple changes down the road, but not yet."

Holmgren said in his meetings with Mangini he was impressed with the coach's candidness, his ability to listen and his resolve to be a "team player."

"Getting to know Eric allowed me to at least feel as though we have the guy in place already," Holmgren said.

"As we continued to talk, two or three things were important. Initially being a coach myself, I think having a coach in place for one year and telling him he no longer has a job is basically unfair. That's one thing. Two, the team got better as the season went along. It was rough in the beginning, kind of tough in the middle but they finished strong. That says something about how he kept the guys together and his coaches continued to work. So that was a plus.

"Three, I liked him. I think he was very candid, honest. He also listened. Lastly, he's a defensive coach and in this particular division you need to play really good defense when the weather gets bad. He showed a willingness to work as a team player."

Holmgren said he hopes he can mentor Mangini and with less weight on Mangini's shoulders, "I thought I had the right guy."

Heckert will have more authority with the Browns than he did with the Eagles. In Philadelphia, coach Andy Reid made the final call and Howie Roseman gradually gained influence. Roseman was named Eagles GM on Monday.

"Andy thought the world of Tom," Holmgren said. "I think they worked hand in hand, but clearly Tom set up the [draft] board, ran the personnel side of that. As you approach the draft you funnel down those meetings from assistant coaches, scout and everybody down to the decision-makers and I think that's what happened in Philadelphia and that's what will happen here. Tom had a lot to do with the success they had in Philadelphia."

Holmgren praised Heckert's experience, success, work ethic and his personality as "a great team player."

Heckert had various roles in the Eagles' personnel department starting in 2001. He was the team's GM since 2006.

Heckert, who will be introduced with Wiedmeier in Berea on Tuesday, said in a statement, "Working alongside some of the most experienced and successful people in this business in Mike, Eric Mangini and Bryan, I believe we have the foundation in place to re-establish the Browns as one of the top franchises in the NFL."

Heckert, whose father was a Browns scout, started his NFL career with the Miami Dolphins as a pro and college scout. He was with them for 10 years and was director of pro personnel at the end.

Holmgren said Heckert will determine the makeup of the scouting staff and would review other positions, such as pro personnel director and college scouting director.

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I see a lot of place predicting the Browns to take Joe Haden or Rolando McClain in round 1. Obviously it depends how the picks before them go, but I think both of those players immediately help the Browns.

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I see a lot of place predicting the Browns to take Joe Haden or Rolando McClain in round 1. Obviously it depends how the picks before them go, but I think both of those players immediately help the Browns.

A great front 7 can mask an average secondary.Haden's great, but so is McClain, this team needs McClain more.

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Didn't bother looking at the 5 years before this but I'm sure they'll look similar.

Year - League rank of rushing yds against (rushing TDs allowed - league rank)2009 - 28th (15 TDs - 19th)2008 - 28th (16 TDs - 21st)2007 - 27th (8 TDs - 6th)2006 - 29th (14 TDs - 17th)2005 - 30th (11 TDs - 11th)

I'm sick of our run D sucking. This should be first on the list.

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Good to see an organizational structure in place now. At least #### is getting cleaned up around here. It's good to have a someone like Holmgren as the voice of the organization. At least we know someone will show up and say something when all the weird stuff goes down in 2010 that typically happens to the Browns.

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Didn't bother looking at the 5 years before this but I'm sure they'll look similar.

Year - League rank of rushing yds against (rushing TDs allowed - league rank)2009 - 28th (15 TDs - 19th)2008 - 28th (16 TDs - 21st)2007 - 27th (8 TDs - 6th)2006 - 29th (14 TDs - 17th)2005 - 30th (11 TDs - 11th)

I'm sick of our run D sucking. This should be first on the list.
I heard some rumors that they might consider switching from a 3-4 base defense to a 4-3. Has anybody else heard that?

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Didn't bother looking at the 5 years before this but I'm sure they'll look similar.

Year - League rank of rushing yds against (rushing TDs allowed - league rank)2009 - 28th (15 TDs - 19th)2008 - 28th (16 TDs - 21st)2007 - 27th (8 TDs - 6th)2006 - 29th (14 TDs - 17th)2005 - 30th (11 TDs - 11th)

I'm sick of our run D sucking. This should be first on the list.
I heard some rumors that they might consider switching from a 3-4 base defense to a 4-3. Has anybody else heard that?
Haven't heard, but anything is possible. Btw, Leon Williams was signed by the Cowboys.

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Got a little run on The Audible, gettin a little run locally (Reghi, etc), Reid has said something along the lines of "McNabb is our QB and Kolb IS ready"....

What do you guys think about Kolb?

Very interesting if you ask me...but I think I agree with The Audible in that his price tag is going to be a 1st rounder making it too risky. Depends on how strong Heckert's feelings are I suppose.

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i wouldn't be suprised at switching to the 43. seems like the linemen might fit that system better? especially with Corey Williams' contract.

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Anyone think there's a possibility Ratliff gets a shot? Mangini brought him over from the Jets and I remember a few people saying grab him in dynasty (before he was traded). Seems like QB is wide open right now.

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Anyone think there's a possibility Ratliff gets a shot? Mangini brought him over from the Jets and I remember a few people saying grab him in dynasty (before he was traded). Seems like QB is wide open right now.

I agree it seems open, but I think if there was anything to this he would have started the last two games, not DA. Could be off base with that though.

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Isn't this 4-3 / 3-4 stuff a tad overrated? I mean, it's the base we're talking about. I never played football so I don't know all the X's and O's, but it seems to me the DL is really effected most. Aren't teams going more hybrid now most of the time anyways, especially if you're bringing in the right type of players?

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Got a little run on The Audible, gettin a little run locally (Reghi, etc), Reid has said something along the lines of "McNabb is our QB and Kolb IS ready"....What do you guys think about Kolb?Very interesting if you ask me...but I think I agree with The Audible in that his price tag is going to be a 1st rounder making it too risky. Depends on how strong Heckert's feelings are I suppose.

Kolb looked good filling for McNabb for sure. Don't think I'd give our 1st for him though. Future 1st maybe??

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If we trade for Kolb and you turn on the news that night and learn of someone jumping off the 480 bridge...well...I probably won't be posting here anymore.

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If we trade for Kolb and you turn on the news that night and learn of someone jumping off the 480 bridge...well...I probably won't be posting here anymore.

Really? Kolb isn't that bad. I'd spend a 3rd or 4th on him. Anything higher than that, probably not.Don't think he's the QB of the future, but he's better than what we've got right now.What we really need is to determine what kind of system we want to run over here and get the appropriate experienced QB (to either take over or mentor the new QB of the future). Lucky us though that we have Holmgren, who is pretty good at dealing with QBs.

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