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If we trade for Kolb and you turn on the news that night and learn of someone jumping off the 480 bridge...well...I probably won't be posting here anymore.

Really? Kolb isn't that bad. I'd spend a 3rd or 4th on him. Anything higher than that, probably not.Don't think he's the QB of the future, but he's better than what we've got right now.What we really need is to determine what kind of system we want to run over here and get the appropriate experienced QB (to either take over or mentor the new QB of the future). Lucky us though that we have Holmgren, who is pretty good at dealing with QBs.
The Eagles spent the 36th pick in the draft on him, and he's produced well in limited opportunities. If we get him we won't be paying a 3rd or a 4th, and we'd be trading for him to make him our QB for the future.

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

LB or 2

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

C, none of the above. Campbell has a few flaws that I don't think can be corrected, fumblitis, struggling to read defenses (one of the reasons for fumblitis), and leadership. I'd rather sign a Pennington type after Miami releases him.

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

I think 1, 2, 4, and 5 are right but not in the right order, I think 3 depends on the scheme. We need a play maker in the front 7, with Mangini returning I think we're staying in the 3-4 and assuming that's the case a DE is not a need, but a play making LB is, and that's why I have continually said Rolando McClain should be our 1st rounder. Fast, big, smart, not a weakness in his game, he's everything a DC would want in a LB. Pair him with Demaryius Thomas in round 2 or Danario Alexander in round 3 and we're well on our way to a solid draft. The secondary needs upgrading, but not as badly as the front 7 and WR and those guys are going to be players. Just glue those pieces together, and RT, and hope things go well enough this year that those are our only priorities going into 2011.

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

LB or 2
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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

LB or 2
Yeah, LB or 2 would be good, especially if we stay in the 3-4. For some reason, in my head I keep thinking we'll switch to the 4-3 for some reason, and that's why I said DE.

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

LB or 2
Yeah, LB or 2 would be good, especially if we stay in the 3-4. For some reason, in my head I keep thinking we'll switch to the 4-3 for some reason, and that's why I said DE.
Even in a 4-3, they still need another LB to pair with D'Qwell/Wimbley.

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What about Jason Campbell? I think he's actually looked decent considering the line he's had to play behind. Would you rather have Kolb or Campbell?

I was skeptical about picking up any good offseason Free Agents, but with Holmgren and Heckert, I think we could land a couple of good ones.

I actually think the team is only about 5 players away from being pretty good.

1. playmaking safety

2. shut down corner

3. solid DE

4. legitimate #1 WR

5. RT who can pass and run block

Any thoughts?

LB or 2
Yeah, LB or 2 would be good, especially if we stay in the 3-4. For some reason, in my head I keep thinking we'll switch to the 4-3 for some reason, and that's why I said DE.
Even in a 4-3, they still need another LB to pair with D'Qwell/Wimbley.
Is Roth more of an end than LB? He's listed at 6'4" 275. Which of these guys do you think make the team next year?

50 Barton, Eric

58 Benard, Marcus

96 Bowens, David

59 Brown, Titus

54 Costanzo, Blake

51 Hall, Alex LB

52 Jackson, D'Qwell

56 Maiava, Kaluka LB

53 Roth, Matt LB

93 Trusnik, Jason

57 Veikune, David LB

95 Wimbley, Kamerion

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From Rotoworld today...

Browns president Mike Holmgren made it known Wednesday that he is a big fan of late-season hero Jerome Harrison.

"I love him as a player," Holmgren said of Harrison. "I thought what he did at the end of the season was remarkable." Harrison is headed toward restricted free agency, but he's a near lock to dominate the 2010 backfield after becoming the first Browns back since 2004 to rush for 100 yards in three straight games.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

Related: James Davis

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From Rotoworld today...Browns president Mike Holmgren made it known Wednesday that he is a big fan of late-season hero Jerome Harrison."I love him as a player," Holmgren said of Harrison. "I thought what he did at the end of the season was remarkable." Harrison is headed toward restricted free agency, but he's a near lock to dominate the 2010 backfield after becoming the first Browns back since 2004 to rush for 100 yards in three straight games.Source: Akron Beacon-Journal Related: James Davis

I bet he also saw alot of him in college too being in Seattle.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.

Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!

So starting with the Steeler game we get

12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN

12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN

12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN

01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WIN

Look at the rest of the season:

Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSS

Game 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSS

Game 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

Game 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSS

Game 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WIN

Game 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

ok I'm bored.

I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

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The Browns situation really is simple. When you don't have the talent to compete, you get some maulers on the lines, draft an RB, and pound the rock all year long. It protects the QB. It helps the defense. It helps the team develop a tough attitude. I really hated how the Browns drafted 2 WRs high and didn't get another RB prospect to rotate into the mix.

There's a very real possibly that neither Anderson nor Quinn will be able to carry the team in 2009. In that case, you can still just run the ball to compensate for that and even take pressure off the young QBs. I think they would have been much better served by finding a way to draft Shonn Greene or Beanie Wells to be well prepared for that possibility.

:goodposting:

I have no idea why Mangini ran this team as if he had an all-pro QB. Should have run the football from the start.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.

Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!

So starting with the Steeler game we get

12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN

12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN

12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN

01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WIN

Look at the rest of the season:

Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSS

Game 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSS

Game 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

Game 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSS

Game 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WIN

Game 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

ok I'm bored.

I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?

If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.

Seriously. Also apparently BGP "knew this from the start" so I'd like to see posts dated prior to September 2009 saying "Jeez, it's so obvious that all we need to do is run the ball and we'll win!". I don't think there's a single person in the world who thought we could win 4 games in a row by averaging 7 completed passes a game. I'd LOVE to see the historical winning percentage of teams that do that in the last decade.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.

Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!

So starting with the Steeler game we get

12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN

12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN

12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN

01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WIN

Look at the rest of the season:

Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSS

Game 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSS

Game 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

Game 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSS

Game 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WIN

Game 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

ok I'm bored.

I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?

If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.

THIS!

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.

Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!

So starting with the Steeler game we get

12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN

12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN

12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN

01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WIN

Look at the rest of the season:

Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSS

Game 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSS

Game 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

Game 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSS

Game 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WIN

Game 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

ok I'm bored.

I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?

If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.

THIS!
Maybe.

Two points. First, the average NFL team is 56/44 pass. Second, maybe Harrison had to earn his spot. Maybe he worked his way in by improving his blitz pick-up. That was always the knock against him.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.
Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.
Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.
What about his post wasn't civil? He makes a good point actually.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.
Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.
What about his post wasn't civil? He makes a good point actually.
The whole snotty attitude with the "I'm sure I'm wasting my breath". Kid needs to be taken over one knee and spanked. That and the swearing just tells me what kind of person I'm dealing with.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.

Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!

So starting with the Steeler game we get

12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN

12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN

12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN

01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WIN

Look at the rest of the season:

Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSS

Game 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSS

Game 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

Game 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSS

Game 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WIN

Game 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSS

ok I'm bored.

I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?

If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.

Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.

But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.

Did you also blame Joe Bryant when your prior account was banned? I suggest you stay on topic.

Tecumseh made a good point. It's hard to blame Mangini for passing too much when we were getting hammered earlier in the season because the run game wasn't working. It makes much more sense to blame him for sticking with Jamal Lewis, which was one of the big reasons WHY the running game sucked.

Mangini deserves a lot of blame for a lot of things, but passing too much isn't one of them.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.
Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.
:thumbdown: I :thumbdown: me some BGP.

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I wanted Mangini fired earlier in the year. Just looking at the personnel on this franchise told me he was mismanaging his roster. The receiving corps is getting dismantled. The QBs are still questionable. But the OL might be pretty good at the run. The answer seemed obvious. Run the football. I even felt they should have drafted another RB to make sure they had fresh legs. Hated seeing them take 2 WRs in the second round.Its almost like Mangini was too stupid to figure it out on his own. It took the bad weather game vs the Steelers to FORCE him to run the football down the other team's throat. Then its like a light went on in his head. OH. Yes, Eric! Here is your roster. Here is what they are built for! Amazing!!!So starting with the Steeler game we get12/10 vs Steelers -- 19 passes vs 36 rushes - WIN12/20 @ Chiefs -- 18 passes vs 45 rushes - WIN12/27 vs Raiders -- 18 passes vs 46 rushes - WIN01/03 vs Jaguars -- 11 passes vs 49 rushes - WINLook at the rest of the season:Game 1: Vikings -- 34 passes vs 20 rushes - LOSSGame 2: Broncos -- 31 passes vs 21 rushes - LOSSGame 3: Ravens -- 27 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSGame 4: Bengals -- 48 passes vs 33 rushes -- LOSSGame 5: Bills -- 17 passes vs 41 rushes -- WINGame 6: Steelers -- 26 passes vs 23 rushes -- LOSSok I'm bored.I suppose I might actually keep him for another season. I mean, he DID figure it out. Just took him 13 games. Now that he understands the STRENGTH of the Cleveland Browns is the OFFENSIVE LINE and not the quarterback's arm, maybe we can make a big turnaround next year.

I'm sure I'm wasting my breath, so to speak, but this type of analysis is really disingenuous. How many of those passes were thrown while the Browns were playing catch-up? What is the split during the 1st half of those games?If you want to indict Mangini for sticking with Jamal, I can get on board with that, but to accuse him of being pass-happy is ridiculously flawed.
Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.
:lmao: I :thumbup: me some BGP.
He is the strangest person that I have encountered in any setting. I pray it is all an act.

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Remove the swear words from your sig and present a more civil attitude before trying to discuss things. Its like trying to talk to a 12 year old boy. Grow up.But like I say, I don't really blame people like you. I blame Joe Bryant for allowing this crap.

"Crap" isn't a swear word?

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bgp is barely tolerable when he's on topic.

even less so when he is not.

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...ts_encoura.html

Josh Cribbs and agents encouraged by "positive dialogue" with Cleveland Browns

By Mary Kay Cabot

January 21, 2010, 6:16PM

Joshua Gunter/ The Plain Dealer

Josh Cribbs, shown celebrating with fans after the Browns won their season finale, is more optimistic about his future with the team.

CLEVELAND -- The agent for Browns receiver Josh Cribbs said today that he's had "very positive'' dialogue with the Browns in the past week about Cribbs' contract and that Cribbs and his team are optimistic now about a good outcome.

"We've talked to (Browns president) Mike Holmgren and (general manager) Tom Heckert and we have an understanding that we're going to work together on this,'' agent J.R. Rickert told The Plain Dealer. "We have a much clearer indication that something can be worked out and that it's not just lip service.''

Rickert said Holmgren and Heckert "made it clear to us that they had not made a take-it-or-leave-it proposition or a final offer. The tone and tenor were very positive and we feel this is something we're going to sit down and work on. Josh feels very good about it.''

On Jan. 6, Cribbs and his agents said they were insulted by the Browns lowball $1.4 million offer, which they said was presented to them by Dawn Aponte, vice president of football administration. Aponte is still employed by the Browns, but The Plain Dealer reported that she might leave to join the Dolphins.

The next day, Cribbs went to Berea and cleaned out his locker, saying he felt "it's over for me in Cleveland.'' Cribbs, who will play in his second Pro Bowl on Jan. 31 and made the AP All-Pro team as the starting returner, had vowed he wouldn't play under his current contract, which runs through 2012. His agents said he would ask for a trade by March 4, the start of the new league year, if they hadn't budged from their offer.

Now, all of that has changed. Holmgren stepped in and immediately did some damage control, stressing during a press conference last week that the $1.4 million was not a final offer.

"No numbers have been exchanged, but we definitely have a much clearer sense from the team where they see Josh -- and an understanding that they're willing to negotiate,'' Rickert said.

He said the ball is in the Browns' court in terms of when and how negotiations will take place and they've been busy assembling their personnel staff this week. Cribbs is also busy, organizing help for Haitian earthquake victims and donating a large sum of money. He's also preparing for the Pro Bowl next week.

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No surprise there. I'm curious whether they'll trade Quinn, snag a FA QB, and draft one.
Chances that they release Anderson: 99%

Chances that they trade Quinn: 25%

Chances that they spend a high pick on a QB: 50%

Agree.
Our QB's make me cry. Good lord are they horrible. Worst in the NFL.
To be fair, most QBs in the league have at least one decent weapon to throw to.

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If Bradford slips I hope we trade Quinn and trade up to get him/pick him up.

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Just read on the OBR report that DA to Zona could be a possibility.

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As a prelude to what may be a busy weekend, the Browns released center Hank Fraley on Wednesday.

The team also will announce its contract tenders on Thursday to their restricted free agents. In a mild surprise, a source said the Browns will not use the first-round tender on any of them.

On Wednesday, Brian Mackler, Jackson's agent told The Plain Dealer that he and Jackson were upset the Browns failed to fulfill a promise by the previous regime for a long-term contract.

Jackson tweeted on his Twitter account, "Do what's best for both parties. It's simple. Either pay me or let me go somewhere else!"

Other restricted free agents expected to receive tenders by the Browns are running back Jerome Harrison, fullback Lawrence Vickers, linebacker Matt Roth, safety Abram Elam and safety Brodney Pool. The source said none may receive first-round tenders.

The Browns also will not immediately offer new deals to their own unrestricted free agents. Included in this category are receiver Mike Furrey, guard Rex Hadnot and cornerback Hank Poteat.

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Disappointed that they cut Fraley. He was serviceable at a couple of spots, and held his own. Anybody know what the deal was, re: pending bonus, balloon payment, etc...?

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My guess is that Heckert wanted him out. He was the one who traded Fraley out of Philly a few years back. :lmao:

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Disappointed that they cut Fraley. He was serviceable at a couple of spots, and held his own. Anybody know what the deal was, re: pending bonus, balloon payment, etc...?

Browns released C Hank Fraley.

Fraley was due just $1.6 million in salary and has versatility, but he fell out of the team's plans when Cleveland used a first-round pick on Alex Mack in 2009, starting just four games last year. Though going on age 33, Fraley might catch on with a team attempting to ease in its center of the future.

Source: scout.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...=NFL&id=746

From what I understand, this is a very deep offensive line class, so maybe that factored into Fraley's realease as well? I have no clue how these things work sometimes.

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So much for Cleveland being active. We get rid of Corey Williams for a 5th rnd pick and re-work Cribbs' deal.

Holmgren said he's looking for QBs, and I've heard rumors of Seneca Wallace. Ugh.

Quarterback update: Who might be on Mike Holmgren's radar screen as he pursues one or more quarterbacks through trade?

A league source speculated on that subject. The answers might not excite Browns fans, but hear them out.

Holmgren may make a pitch to Seattle for backup quarterback Seneca Wallace. The quarerback-maker would prepare Wallace as kind of an interim quarterback to assist the Browns' transition to Holmgren's preferred style of offense.

Wallace has been Matt Hasselbeck's understudy in Seattle for seven years. He was an athletic marvel coming out Iowa State in 2003 and was used early on as an emergency receiver until Holmgren gradually developed him into a competent quarterback. Holmgren took great satisfaction in Wallace's progress under center.

Wallace is under contract through 2010. While new Seattle coach Pete Carroll has said he is pleased with Hasselbeck as his starting quarterback, Carroll may view the backup position as a target to groom his eventual starter, making Wallace expendable.

The source also sees Holmgren possibly showing interest in Green Bay backup Matt Flynn. Flynn was a seventh-round pick in 2008 and is not going to unseat starter Aaron Rodgers any time soon. But he's been exposed to a variation of the Holmgren offense. His availability is unknown.

The theory with this plan is that Holmgren might add a developmental prospect in this year's draft, but he would amp up the search for a permanent franchise quarterback in the 2011 draft.

-- Tony Grossi

Grossi article on Browns QB Search

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Good for Cribbs. Would have felt happier for him if he and his agent didn't whine so much. It was gonna get done without the charades.

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