If I want anything to not happen in the draft, it's this. Seeing Browns fans turn up their nose at imperfect QBs, yet ones that could actually help them win, is becoming an annual thing around here.@AdamSchefter: And @mortreport reports he'd expect the Browns to snap up QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 4 pick if he's still there.
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I am telling you, people in here will be jumping off of bridges if they take Bortles, they'll be throwing innocent bystanders off THEN jumping off themselves if they draft ManzielIf I want anything to not happen in the draft, it's this. Seeing Browns fans turn up their nose at imperfect QBs, yet ones that could actually help them win, is becoming an annual thing around here.@AdamSchefter: And @mortreport reports he'd expect the Browns to snap up QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 4 pick if he's still there.
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Of course, seeing them rend garments and gnash teeth if it happened might be fun too.
post 7257 bookmarkZero worry about manziel going at four
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i wish i could share your confidence. hopefully this is a smokescreen to get someone to trade up.Zero worry about manziel going at four
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The whole city would. It's 50/50 Manziel or no Manziel and both sides thinks the other is nuts.this thread could break if the browns take Manziel at 4Interesting. Some earlier talk leading to this tweet suggests the Rams might take Manziel at 2, but in the more logical scenario where the Rams take the tackle Robinson, Cleveland takes Manziel at 4.
if anything is a smokescreen it is the watkins love the browns have publicly spewedi wish i could share your confidence.hopefully this is a smokescreen to get someone to trade up.Zero worry about manziel going at four
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THIS JUST IN: Chris Mortensen reports he expects Browns to draft QB Johnny Manziel at No. 4 if he's still there.
I don't agree. While the opinions on Manziel have the greatest variance extreme to extreme I think most around here would be irate if we drafted Bortles 4th, myself included. I haven't seen much support for him at all around here.I am telling you, people in here will be jumping off of bridges if they take Bortles, they'll be throwing innocent bystanders off THEN jumping off themselves if they draft ManzielIf I want anything to not happen in the draft, it's this. Seeing Browns fans turn up their nose at imperfect QBs, yet ones that could actually help them win, is becoming an annual thing around here.@AdamSchefter: And @mortreport reports he'd expect the Browns to snap up QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 4 pick if he's still there.
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Of course, seeing them rend garments and gnash teeth if it happened might be fun too.
if they happen to pass on Watkins for one of those then I seriously fear for Farmer's well being
Ive been in here for a good 2+ months w a source telling me the pick was always between robinson/mathews/watkins.or Greg Robinson?Manziel at 4.
I like that.Former NFL executive Bill Polian conducted a conference call today and shared his thoughts about the Browns’ Ray Farmer embarking on a quest for a franchise quarterback in his first draft as a general manager.
... Below is an excerpt from the conference call with Polian, a former GM of the Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers and Indianapolis Colts.
“I’ve said numerous times I don’t know what a franchise quarterback is,” Polian said. “What you’re looking for is a quarterback who’s good enough to get your team to the playoffs, and in doing so, be able to win your division. Anything that happens after that is a function of the strength of your overall squad. If you’re fortunate enough to get a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady or a Drew Brees or an Aaron Rodgers, that’s an added bonus. You don’t go looking for those guys, they find you if they’re out there. Just as Andrew [Luck] and RG III stood out so dramatically.
... “To their great credit, this new group and the group that preceded them inherited a pretty good team, a pretty competitive team. So they’ve got a chance to move fast with this group. All is not dark in Cleveland. In fact, there’s a lot to be happy about. But it all comes back to the trigger man.”
I had a different takeaway. Mine was if you see a guy that will get you to the playoffs then you pick him.Tells me we don't have to reach for a QB at #4 and I've felt that all along.
We may have one drop into our lap at #26 or later.
That seems like a case of projection to me. Casserly doesn't think Manziel should go in the first round, therefore he isn't going in the first round.FWIW, Charlie Casserly laughed at the notion of Manziel going in the top 10. Said he doesn't think he's going in round 1.
Not really when you here him talk about it. He basically said he's not a top 10 guy and once he falls past 15 or so the back half of the draft doesn't have QB needy teams. He acknowledged that someone could trade back into round 1 for him. It seems like he just has a low 1st grade on him.That seems like a case of projection to me. Casserly doesn't think Manziel should go in the first round, therefore he isn't going in the first round.FWIW, Charlie Casserly laughed at the notion of Manziel going in the top 10. Said he doesn't think he's going in round 1.
clearly a LOT of people have him going in the first round or even high first round, so when someone laughs at the notion it could happen i think it is fair to say he may be projecting his feelings on ManzielNot really when you here him talk about it. He basically said he's not a top 10 guy and once he falls past 15 or so the back half of the draft doesn't have QB needy teams. He acknowledged that someone could trade back into round 1 for him. It seems like he just has a low 1st grade on him.That seems like a case of projection to me. Casserly doesn't think Manziel should go in the first round, therefore he isn't going in the first round.FWIW, Charlie Casserly laughed at the notion of Manziel going in the top 10. Said he doesn't think he's going in round 1.
Well, he said if he goes top 10 he is being lied to buy a lot of people. He's referring to his sources in the league.clearly a LOT of people have him going in the first round or even high first round, so when someone laughs at the notion it could happen i think it is fair to say he may be projecting his feelings on ManzielNot really when you here him talk about it. He basically said he's not a top 10 guy and once he falls past 15 or so the back half of the draft doesn't have QB needy teams. He acknowledged that someone could trade back into round 1 for him. It seems like he just has a low 1st grade on him.That seems like a case of projection to me. Casserly doesn't think Manziel should go in the first round, therefore he isn't going in the first round.FWIW, Charlie Casserly laughed at the notion of Manziel going in the top 10. Said he doesn't think he's going in round 1.
He says that you are looking for a guy who can get you to the playoffs and win your division but add this key lineI had a different takeaway. Mine was if you see a guy that will get you to the playoffs then you pick him.Tells me we don't have to reach for a QB at #4 and I've felt that all along.
We may have one drop into our lap at #26 or later.
i'd think a lot of these mockers have sources in the leagueWell, he said if he goes top 10 he is being lied to buy a lot of people. He's referring to his sources in the league.clearly a LOT of people have him going in the first round or even high first round, so when someone laughs at the notion it could happen i think it is fair to say he may be projecting his feelings on ManzielNot really when you here him talk about it. He basically said he's not a top 10 guy and once he falls past 15 or so the back half of the draft doesn't have QB needy teams. He acknowledged that someone could trade back into round 1 for him. It seems like he just has a low 1st grade on him.That seems like a case of projection to me. Casserly doesn't think Manziel should go in the first round, therefore he isn't going in the first round.FWIW, Charlie Casserly laughed at the notion of Manziel going in the top 10. Said he doesn't think he's going in round 1.
What the heck does that even mean? Wait around to get lucky?Its a foregone conclusion that their isn't an Andrew Luck or and RG III in this draft. No one stands out so don't try too hard to find an Aarron Rodgers, a Drew Brees, or a Russ Wilson. Let them find us..
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam "loves" Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel.
The Browns have been linked to Manziel for months on end, and it wouldn't be surprising if Haslam was the primary reason. Haslam has proven extremely meddlesome and impatient in his first year and a half on the job, and could overrule his football men on the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner.
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BEREA, Ohio – From a strictly selfish standpoint, I want the Browns to select a quarterback with the No. 4 overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. I want his name to be Johnny Manziel.
The Texas A&M product would be a boon for local media outlets. Love him or loathe him, Manziel is irresistible as a topic. It would carry all the hype of LeBron James’ rookie season in Cleveland, only this time playing for the city’s most storied franchise. Think of the web clicks, the Arbitron ratings. There would be no moratorium on Johnny Football. I dream of writing the following headline:
Manziel to raise Alpacas in the offseason
I envision the first 20 comments debating whether Manziel has legitimate Alpaca presence or whether he’d scramble at the first sign of trouble.
Alas, I cannot endorse this fantasy. The Browns should draft a quarterback with one of their first three picks, but none of them makes sense at No. 4. It would be a selection based more on hope than sound rationale.
Everyone knows quarterback is the most important player on the field. But all members of the position’s upper crust in this draft – Manziel, Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr – come with legitimate question marks. As one league executive noted to the Boston Globe, every team “that perceivably needs a quarterback signed one in free agency.”
The Browns added Vince Young and Tyler Thigpen, but more importantly have Brian Hoyer in place. Coach Mike Pettine said last week he thinks teams can make mistakes starting rookie quarterbacks too soon.
The Browns have a war chest of draft picks – three in the top 35 and eight in the top 145. They should be able to move up from No. 26 (their second first-round pick) if they fear a quarterback they desire is about to come off the board.
There are simply too many other good options at No. 4 for the Browns. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock addressed the dilemma facing all quarterback-needy teams during a February conference call.
“I think the important thing is to get the pick right, and if they are not in love with any of those three quarterbacks, this is one of the best position Top 10s I've ever seen,” Mayock said when asked specifically about the Houston Texans and Manziel. “Taking a position kid or trading down makes a ton of sense for these guys.”
The Browns shouldn’t need to trade down.
If anyone from this grouping -- Jadeveon Clowney, Khalil Mack, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans or Greg Robinson -- is available, the Browns have themselves a good player.
I’ve heard and read research about the struggles of wide receivers early in the draft. Monday Morning Quarterback’s Greg Bedard observes only 1-in-3 receivers taken in the first two rounds since 2009 have caught at least 50 passes in a season. It’s hard to imagine, however, another wideout coming into a better scenario than the one the Browns afford: a first-team All-Pro receiver on the other side and a Pro Bowl tight end over the middle.
Coaches also don’t care as much about individual stats as they do the threat and dilemma the talents of good receivers create. A Josh Gordon-Watkins pairing is tantalizing.
“(Gordon) could have a very low-production game if teams are just rolling their coverage to him, but the effect that that has on the rest of the defense and the benefit that you have offensively . . .” Pettine said.
Selecting Watkins or Evans also provides you with insurance in case Gordon were to fail another drug test and suffer a one-year ban.
It’s doubtful Clowney is available at No. 4, but there’s a decent chance Mack will be. The University of Buffalo linebacker is the most complete player in draft, an edge rusher who can drop into coverage and make plays. I will be writing more on Mack later this week – spoiler alert: It's for our package of stories on "who to take at No. 4."
Some will argue Watkins and Mack are luxury picks, the Browns need help elsewhere. After 15 years of wafer-thin lineups, what’s wrong with loading up at several positions, especially ones that feature playmakers?
Adding an offensive tackle would not be my first option, the Browns already have lots of money and assets invested in the line, but many agree Robinson would be a solid top-5 choice.
Which brings us back to quarterbacks: There’s no consensus on any of the top signal callers.
“The more tape I watch of (Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater), the more questions I have,” Mayock said.
Ideally, you want to find the stud quarterback early in the draft and build the team around him, but Seattle has proven you can win a Super Bowl by adding Russell Wilson in the third round. Cincinnati has shown you can make multiple playoff appearances with an inconsistent second-rounder like Andy Dalton.
Taking a quarterback at No. 4 feels like forcing one into double coverage. Grab a position player at that spot, then identify a quarterback. If he happens to raise Alpacas in the offseason all the better.
fixed.this threadInteresting. Some earlier talk leading to this tweet suggests the Rams might take Manziel at 2, but in the more logical scenario where the Rams take the tackle Robinson, Cleveland takes Manziel at 4.couldWILL break if the browns takeManzielANY QB at 4
Bazinga! said:I like your angle on it. I was thinking they want the Cleveland 1sts so they want Cleveland fearful that the Rams will pick Manziel. I'm guessing Cleveland really wants him. That said, combining that with your thought, would leave me to believe that Texas and Cleveland could be the teams that end up trading...it will be interestingloose circuits said:I was posting the same thing basically while you were...I agree 100% although we disagree with the motive. I think they want Houston to stand pat and take a QB based of McLain insisting they were taking a QB from day 1 and that is a huge need for them. If Houston is in the market to trade down, it decreases the value of their pick- supply & demandBazinga! said:All smokescreen IMO,duaneok66 said:Hey Bob Magaw (and other Rams fans) . . .
what's your take on these Bradford rumors? What's the cap hit on a trade??
My take is the Rams want to trade down and the pre-draft talk seemed to be going in a direction that wasn't working for them. If Clowney goes #1 and there isn't any concern about a QB going #2 then the trade market will be weak. I think a lot of the talk is because the Rams want the speculation so that the trade up teams, that really want Johnny Football, come out of hiding and pay up for the trade up
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Browns scouts "like" Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater, and the team could be eyeing him at No. 26 overall.
If the Browns can't land Johnny Manziel at No. 4 overall, it's almost certain they'll use their second of two first-round picks on a quarterback. Bridgewater and Fresno State's Derek Carr are believed to be two of the second tier signal callers high on Celveland's board. Bridgewater will likely go late in round one.
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sure. at 26. or if they "have" to move up cuz they want him... fine.I'm not a Manziel fan, but I find myself kind of hoping they get him. Would be fun to see how it plays out...
100% agree with all of that (especially the Haslam part), but still - part of me would be kind excited about the outside possibility that the kid ends up being awesome. Kind of like the feeling you get when you push all in with 7-2 off suit and someone calls you on it. You immediately get a pit in your stomach, but there's always that little glimmer of hope cuz you know "maybe, just maybeeeee this will work out okay".sure. at 26. or if they "have" to move up cuz they want him... fine.I'm not a Manziel fan, but I find myself kind of hoping they get him. Would be fun to see how it plays out...
id rather not, but ok.
at 4, it's lights out. I will never support this team again, as it would be evident that haslam is a ####### moron who is hellbent on dragging this organization underground.
On what basis do you think that if they pick Johnny at 4, it is definitely Haslem's doing? How can you know it wouldn't be Farmer's pick?sure. at 26. or if they "have" to move up cuz they want him... fine.I'm not a Manziel fan, but I find myself kind of hoping they get him. Would be fun to see how it plays out...
id rather not, but ok.
at 4, it's lights out. I will never support this team again, as it would be evident that haslam is a ####### moron who is hellbent on dragging this organization underground.
Yeah. That's what happened.@NFLDraftBites: Don't think Ray Farmer gets Cute. Owner wants Manziel & hell get his guy. Whyd Lombardi quit? Over Meddling Owner? Mr. Haslam's in charge
I'd know.On what basis do you think that if they pick Johnny at 4, it is definitely Haslem's doing? How can you know it wouldn't be Farmer's pick?
Soul, no offense but just because we both think Manziel would be a terrible pick at 4, doesn't mean everyone else thinks that way. maybe they think that would be a great pick and give Farmer credit.I'd know.On what basis do you think that if they pick Johnny at 4, it is definitely Haslem's doing? How can you know it wouldn't be Farmer's pick?
So would you.
no, I know there are many that want him.Soul, no offense but just because we both think Manziel would be a terrible pick at 4, doesn't mean everyone else thinks that way.maybe they think that would be a great pick and give Farmer credit.I'd know.On what basis do you think that if they pick Johnny at 4, it is definitely Haslem's doing? How can you know it wouldn't be Farmer's pick?
So would you.
they need to spend 2-3 picks in this draft on OL.We also need to be aware that A Mack is gone after two more seasons.
player option, if we play well he will want to stay. Should get a contingency plan in place either this year or next year just in case. Can say the same thing at most positions though.We also need to be aware that A Mack is gone after two more seasons.
if you're fine with it at 26 I don't get why you, and others, would implode if we pick him fourth. Either way he is our starter.#### it. Just draft Manziel.
Might as well be consistent in our failure. Why change?
There's a huge difference.if you're fine with it at 26 I don't get why you, and others, would implode if we pick him fourth. Either way he is our starter.#### it. Just draft Manziel.
Might as well be consistent in our failure. Why change?