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Foles didn't win a Super Bowl. Foles with a coaching staff that put him in a position to be successful won a Super Bowl. This coaching staff doesn't put their guys in position to be successful - they put them in position to operate their system.
True - but it all comes down to Dorsey's rankings. We can play armchair GM all day long, but it's ultimately up to Dorsey on what he does. If he has Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield ranked similarly, then I can see where Barkley goes first and you let the draft play out. But if there is one QB who is heads and shoulders above the others, then I'd think you take that QB at 1 and look for either Barkley, B.Chubb or Minkah at 4 - if not possibly trade down if one of the other QBs fall into that spot. If NYG or IND doesn't take a QB, that #4 pick will be ripe for trading down and netting some additional picks in 2018/2019.Cjw_55106 said:
Historically, he hasn't. But I would challenge that based on whether the need was there to get one, or if he had two top 4 picks in the draft. If we don't know how to compare the situations, we can't make declarative statements based on previous history. Having two picks in the top 4 is rare, and not many GMs have been in that position. This to me is an outlier and a game-changer when talking about stats and historical perspectives.
While historically true, I believe the above is not entirely accurate of the situation during the drafts that were analyzed.
No, just noCjw_55106 said:
Those 1982 Patriots drafted 1 hall of Fame player and only 1 other player that made a Pro Bowl https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1982_draft.htm
Very encouraging considering:
This creates a dilemma. We fans differ in our opinions about how to rank them. So do the popular "experts". Your response kinda says that the GMs, the REAL pros, do not -- that there is for the most part, a single #1 choice followed by the same #2 choice, mostly. If they are sure, then it wouldn't make sense to take the second best guy unless the whole class was mediocre.
Well, yeah, cause the importance of the QB position blows the importance of the RB position out of the water, proven year in and year out.
Who is Cleveland’s #3? Is it the same as the other two teams? If the difference between their 1 and 3 significant or do they see them relatively close? The truth is, unless we know the plan of all teams, it’s hard to call a plan silly or stupid. You make it sound like there is a Manning or Brady in the draft.
all good.
You know, with each of them having distinctive, defining qualities & flaws, that is most likely true. It'll come down to the brain trust's weighing of each.
To me the idea of drafting Barkley is predicated on snagging Foles, Keenum, or Cousins to be a franchise QB. And then take a QB at 4, sell it, take someone else, all options. I would think people would rather have Foles or Keenum than any of these rookies.
Actually no. NOT knowing the plan of the other teams is what makes taking the QB at 4 a silly/stupid move.
I was referring to fans. You don’t know anyone’s plans. Cleveland knows the plans of the team that has two of the top four picks.
Interesting tidbit on TRich. Remember how Jim Brown said he wasn't interested in an ordinary TRich?
Here go back to things being guaranteed. He's not guaranteed. Even if he WAS guaranteed, which again he is not, a guaranteed top RB isn't close to the worth of a top QB. Not close at all.
Shush up and go lay on your Josh Gordon sheets with your Josh Gordon pillow case and your Josh Gordon quilt. Smoke some dub to help you get to sleep.
There are a dozen positions where "if" the guy is a superstar he is worth the #1 pick, just an FYI.
Two years ago the Eagles slid into #2 to take the scraps of Wentz/Goff.
From a high level, the biggest mistake I see made year to year is to treat the previous year as the new normal when in reality it's just another data point.
I couldn't disagree more with this. Foles and Keenum might not even be good. Both could easily have just played the best football they will ever play. I think a fair over/under on QB's better than Foles/Keenum going forward in this draft is 3, and I might take the over.
Was it taking the scraps? Everyone knew Rams were going Goff, and everyone knew Eagles were getting Wentz.
The year before it was Brady, Ryan, Roethlisberger and Rodgers
You know Foles and Keenum are awful right? This thread is hillairious. They’ll both be backups soon enough.
