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Saw a bunch of updated mocks that showed Berry at #7.

I think that is where I'm leaning.

Otherwise, trade down if possible. I'm sure many would rather just do this no matter what.

If Berry gone and can't trade...don't take a QB.

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Saw a bunch of updated mocks that showed Berry at #7. I think that is where I'm leaning.Otherwise, trade down if possible. I'm sure many would rather just do this no matter what.If Berry gone and can't trade...don't take a QB.

I'm happy with Berry. I believe he makes Brown's and Wright's jobs easier as well. I'll be thrillled if Colt McCoy is there for us in the 2nd.

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Round 1

Trade up for Bradford, sit back and take Berry, or trade down. I don't like any of the other options available at 7, even if we don't get much to trade down (like last year) I just want to take what we can get and take the best available front 7 guy in the teens. Only potential exception, Dez Bryant, if we go that route I'll trust the front office did their homework about his head.

Round 2

Demaryius Thomas (if we don't go Dez round 1 and he's available) or best available front 7 option (notice a trend?).

Thereafter

Dan LeFevour is the only QB I'm mildly interested in outside of Bradford before round 7. LOTS of WR talent, offensive linemen, and d linemen available later.

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Pat Kirwan on NFL.com mock...

1. 7. Cleveland Browns

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

Spiller is a 20-touch-a-game guy right away between rushing, receiving and returns. With an aging veteran quarterback like Jake Delhomme -- who knew how to get the ball in Steve Smith's hands for years in Carolina -- Spiller could get close to 1,800 yards of total offense in his rookie season.

2. 38. Cleveland Browns

Colt McCoy, QB, Texas

The Browns passed on Jimmy Clausen in the first round, but now take the guy being compared to Drew Brees. I had one club executive tell me that if McCoy gets under the guidance of Mike Holmgren in a West Coast offense, he will be a solid starter by 2011 and make people regret they passed on him in the draft. It's hard to ignore McCoy's college production, as the Longhorn QB threw 112 touchdown passes and for 13,253 yards.

3. 71. Cleveland Browns

Chad Jones, S, LSU

Jones is also a baseball player and has good ball skills. He brings size and range to the position.

3. 85. Cleveland Browns

Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida

Spikes may have run a slow 40-yard dash, but he makes plays on the field and is a value pick in the third round. He belongs in a 3-4 defense, playing the strong side at 249 pounds.

3. 92. Cleveland Browns

Thaddeus Gibson, LB, Ohio State

Gibson did not have a lot of sack production in college, but was an active outside linebacker who probably thought he was going in the first round. He plays hard, is a good athlete and will make a name for himself on special teams.

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From the schedule thread...

Sun. October 17th - Cleveland at Pittsburgh

Sun. January 2nd - Pittsburgh at Cleveland

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/04/steelers-2010-schedule/

Hopefully that last game has playoff implications for us.

The Browns have the longest current winning streak in the NFL.

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Sun., Sept. 12 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Sept. 19 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Sept. 26 at Baltimore Ravens M & T Bank Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Oct. 3 CINCINNATI BENGALS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Oct. 10 ATLANTA FALCONS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Oct. 17 at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Oct. 24 at New Orleans Saints Louisiana Superdome CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Oct. 31 BYE WEEK

Sun., Nov. 7 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Nov. 14 NEW YORK JETS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Nov. 21 at Jacksonville Jaguars# Jacksonville Municipal Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Nov. 28 CAROLINA PANTHERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Dec. 5 at Miami Dolphins# Sun Life Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Dec. 12 at Buffalo Bills# Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Dec. 19 at Cincinnati Bengals# Paul Brown Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Dec. 26 BALTIMORE RAVENS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

Sun., Jan. 2 PITTSBURGH STEELERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

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Sun., Sept. 12 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Sept. 19 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Sept. 26 at Baltimore Ravens M & T Bank Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Oct. 3 CINCINNATI BENGALS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Oct. 10 ATLANTA FALCONS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m. Sun., Oct. 17 at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Oct. 24 at New Orleans Saints Louisiana Superdome CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Oct. 31 BYE WEEK Sun., Nov. 7 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Nov. 14 NEW YORK JETS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Nov. 21 at Jacksonville Jaguars# Jacksonville Municipal Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Nov. 28 CAROLINA PANTHERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m. Sun., Dec. 5 at Miami Dolphins# Sun Life Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Dec. 12 at Buffalo Bills# Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Dec. 19 at Cincinnati Bengals# Paul Brown Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Dec. 26 BALTIMORE RAVENS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. Sun., Jan. 2 PITTSBURGH STEELERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m.

16-0 BABY!!!

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The selfish part of me LOVES the fact that all of these are at 1PM.

Seems like forever waiting for a 4PM or Sun or Mon night game...

I think if Jake the snake doesn't turn the ball over and the running game picks up where it left off, we can start 2-0.

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Sun., Sept. 12 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raymond James Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Sept. 19 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Sept. 26 at Baltimore Ravens M & T Bank Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Oct. 3 CINCINNATI BENGALS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Oct. 10 ATLANTA FALCONS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Oct. 17 at Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Oct. 24 at New Orleans Saints Louisiana Superdome CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Oct. 31 BYE WEEK

Sun., Nov. 7 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Nov. 14 NEW YORK JETS CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Nov. 21 at Jacksonville Jaguars# Jacksonville Municipal Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Nov. 28 CAROLINA PANTHERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM FOX 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Dec. 5 at Miami Dolphins# Sun Life Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Dec. 12 at Buffalo Bills# Ralph Wilson Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Dec. 19 at Cincinnati Bengals# Paul Brown Stadium CBS 1:00 p.m. LOSS

Sun., Dec. 26 BALTIMORE RAVENS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

Sun., Jan. 2 PITTSBURGH STEELERS# CLEVELAND BROWNS STADIUM CBS 1:00 p.m. WIN

9-7

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Wow all 1:00's. That kinda stinks.

I love it, I'm never productive during the 1:00 games regardless of who's on. If the Browns play at 4:00 or primetime (which won't happen again for a while) my whole day is shot. Maybe I'm on an island here...

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Wow all 1:00's. That kinda stinks.

I love it, I'm never productive during the 1:00 games regardless of who's on. If the Browns play at 4:00 or primetime (which won't happen again for a while) my whole day is shot. Maybe I'm on an island here...
I agree. I can swing over to my parents, watch the game with my old man, eat some home cooking, and be home at a decent time.

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Wow all 1:00's. That kinda stinks.

I love it, I'm never productive during the 1:00 games regardless of who's on. If the Browns play at 4:00 or primetime (which won't happen again for a while) my whole day is shot. Maybe I'm on an island here...
I agree. I can swing over to my parents, watch the game with my old man, eat some home cooking, and be home at a decent time.
my tailgate starts at 8am regardless of what time the game is :unsure:

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Wow all 1:00's. That kinda stinks.

I love it, I'm never productive during the 1:00 games regardless of who's on. If the Browns play at 4:00 or primetime (which won't happen again for a while) my whole day is shot. Maybe I'm on an island here...
I agree. I can swing over to my parents, watch the game with my old man, eat some home cooking, and be home at a decent time.
my tailgate starts at 8am regardless of what time the game is :confused:
No kids, eh guys? I already forsee pumpkin patch Sunday on an afternoon in October. Usually that's a bye week thang. :wall:

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Wow all 1:00's. That kinda stinks.

I love it, I'm never productive during the 1:00 games regardless of who's on. If the Browns play at 4:00 or primetime (which won't happen again for a while) my whole day is shot. Maybe I'm on an island here...
I agree. I can swing over to my parents, watch the game with my old man, eat some home cooking, and be home at a decent time.
my tailgate starts at 8am regardless of what time the game is :lmao:
No kids, eh guys? I already forsee pumpkin patch Sunday on an afternoon in October. Usually that's a bye week thang. :lmao:
New dad here, first football season with the little guy and we're spending Sunday afternoons watching the Browns attempt to play football. My 12 hour marathons of football both days are gone, but nothing's touching my Sunday afternoons with the Browns.

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Cleveland Browns have options if safety Eric Berry is not available at 7th pick of 2010 NFL Draft

By Tony Grossi

The Plain Dealer

April 22, 2010

It's impossible to dismiss Tennessee safety Eric Berry as the Browns' logical choice for their first pick in tonight's NFL Draft.

He's a blue-chip athlete who has competed at a high level in college football's elite conference. He has displayed the versatility to disrupt high-powered passing attacks as a deep safety and to affect the running game by lining up close to the line of scrimmage. And he's been exposed to a pro-style defense under the squinty eyes of a respected, long-time NFL defensive coach.

The fact that Berry fills one of the Browns' urgent needs on defense should clinch the selection.

So what if he's not there when the Browns' turn comes up at No. 7?

That's the million-dollar question facing the new regime of President Mike Holmgren and General Manager Tom Heckert.

Or in the case of NFL finances, that's the $40 million question.

Forty million dollars-plus is the projected contract range for the seventh pick in the 2010 draft, of which about $25 million would be guaranteed. That's the going rate, based on the player-friendly deal given by the Oakland Raiders to last year's No. 7 choice, receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.

That inflated contract -- coupled with the absence of a "must have" player after the draft's projected first four selections -- makes the Browns' No. 7 selection mostly undesirable in trade.

In fact, as of Wednesday evening, no team had contacted the Browns about the possibility of trading for their pick.

So the Browns are prepared to use the No. 7 pick rather than trading down and adding to their stockpile of 10 draft choices. And because some in the organization doubt that Berry will be there for them, the Browns have been weighing several options on what to do in the first of the three days of the draft.

• Option 1: Move up slightly in a trade to guarantee they come away with Berry.

The first tip of what could happen begins with Washington's pick at No. 4. Ever since the Redskins traded for Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb, everyone assumes they will choose an offensive left tackle, Oklahoma State's Russell Okung or Oklahoma's Trent Williams. But there is a chance -- albeit small -- that Washington coach Mike Shanahan will pull off the draft's first stunner and select Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen.

If that happens, it could be the trigger that delivers Berry to the Browns. But they would still have to sweat out Kansas City at No. 5 and Seattle at No. 6, both of whom could defend taking Berry.

Even if Shanahan follows conventional wisdom and selects a tackle, the Chiefs and Seahawks are threats to take Berry. They could stare down the Browns into moving up to either spot – price tag: third-round pick -- or the Browns could call their bluffs and be content with an alternative choice.

This could be the hottest debate in the Browns' draft room in the agonizing minutes before their turn comes up.

• Option 2: The Browns could wave goodbye to Berry and take the next best safety, Earl Thomas of Texas. He's a little smaller, reputedly more instinctive and better in coverage. Some teams may have Thomas ranked higher, but the Browns are not believed to be one of them.

•Option 3: With Berry gone, the Browns could go against the grain and select another defensive player they have rated higher than Thomas. Candidates in this group may include Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain, Texas linebacker Sergio Kindle, Penn State defensive end Jared Odrick and Tennessee nose tackle Dan Williams.

Some of these still may be considered "reaches" for the No. 7 pick. Thomas, Odrick and Williams, in particular, fill needs, but the Browns insist they don't want to stray too far from their highest-ranked player at the time of their selection.

At the Browns' pre-draft press conference last week, Heckert admitted his biggest mistake as Philadelphia general manager from 2002-09 was "reaching for need."

The Eagles did that in 2003 when they traded up for defensive end Jerome McDougle. It is one of the few blemishes on Heckert's draft record in Philadelphia.

"Not to say we didn't think the guy was a good player," Heckert said, declining to mention names. "But as it turned out there were better players that we should have taken at different positions. It was more of a need pick.

"Everybody talks about not doing it, but when you get in there and you don't have it set up beforehand, you start making irrational decisions or make a player better than he is because of that position. You move him up there and in the back of your mind you are doing it just because of a need. That's where you get into trouble."

• Option 4: They could choose the highest-rated offensive player left on their board.

One source said that this option already has been eliminated. But you never know what may happen on the spur of the moment.

Most indications are that Holmgren will resist the temptation to select a quarterback high. He strongly hinted at that last week and there is no evidence he will change his mind.

Although the new draft format calls for only the first round to be held tonight, it's possible the Browns would make two selections. If there's a player they really like available late in the first round, they could spend one of their three third-round picks to move up from No. 38 in the second round to take him.

More than likely, that player would be on the defensive side, also.

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.

I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

Berry Is at the top of my wish list as well.

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.

I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

Berry Is at the top of my wish list as well.
except Derrick Morgan

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.

I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

Berry Is at the top of my wish list as well.
except Derrick Morgan
I'll 3rd the Berry preference. If he's not there, give me a right tackle. I do not want Haden or Spiller.

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That's the first I've seen of McClain all offseason, if he's plan B to Berry I would be ecstatic. Given their offseason moves I don't think they're planning on taking him, but I can dream, right?

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#### off Rick.

Not feeling the NFL draft

Rick Reilly

ESPN.com

Last April, after I clicked off two bloated days of the NFL draft, my wife looked up from her book and said, "Who won?"

There are many, many reasons to be a draft dodger, but the best one is in that question: At the end of it, nobody wins.

It's like reading a novel with the last chapter torn out, watching a movie with no third act, falling in love after the first kiss but before you've tried her spaghetti.

It's like "The Sopranos." Entertaining, but the ending sucked. Me, I like endings, winners, losers, results. So let's get some results, shall we?

Let's look at the drafts from 1997 to 2007. (2007, you'll recall, was 20 years after Brett Favre first started considering retirement.) Here's how many Pro Bowl years those draft picks have had since:

Indianapolis Colts 37

Pittsburgh Steelers 35

Dallas Cowboys 34

Seattle Seahawks 31

Philadelphia Eagles 27

Chicago Bears 26

Minnesota Vikings 26

Baltimore Ravens 25

New England Patriots 24

Washington Redskins 23

Green Bay Packers 23

San Diego Chargers 22

Arizona Cardinals 22

Carolina Panthers 20

New York Jets 19

Denver Broncos 19

St. Louis Rams 19

Atlanta Falcons 19

Kansas City Chiefs 18

Cincinnati Bengals 18

San Francisco 49ers 18

New York Giants 18

Oakland Raiders 16

Miami Dolphins 15

Tennessee Titans 14

New Orleans Saints 13

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12

Buffalo Bills 10

Houston Texans 10

Jacksonville Jaguars 9

Cleveland Browns 7

Detroit Lions 4

What slaps you across the face is that the Indianapolis Colts used the draft to climb out of their spider hole of the 1980s and 1990s to become a gorilla in the AFC, and not just with Peyton Manning (10 Pro Bowls). DE Dwight Freeney (5), RB Edgerrin James (4) and WR Reggie Wayne (4) were genius picks, too.

What slaps you harder is that the Cleveland Browns could've done the same thing, but they screwed the Chihuahua. Their run of No. 1 picks from 1999 to 2002 is the single worst stretch of drafting since the Iraqi Republican Guard. Were they using an Ouija board?

1999 -- Tim Couch, QB: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, out of the league after five seasons. But hey, he married a Playboy Playmate. Bust marries bust.

2000 -- Courtney Brown, DE: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, didn't marry Playmate.

2001 -- Gerard Warren, DL: third pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. And they passed up LaDainian Tomlinson!

2002 -- William Green, RB: 16th pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. Now your server at Applebee's.

The Oakland Raiders are not last on this list, but I don't see how. Between 1997 and 2007, Al Davis had 14 very high picks and got only three first team All-Pro seasons out of them. He could've done better using a blindfolded chicken. Or even Matt Millen.

What really bugs me is how smug all these people will be about every pick. They're always grinning and puffing out their chests and spouting stuff like, "Look, we knew we had to move up and steal a 10-year starter in this league. This ain't our first rodeo."

I like to clip and save these quotes for years later, when the final score is finally in.

Here's a sample:

• "I think the consensus of opinion is that two guys like [Manning and Ryan Leaf] don't come along very often. If we're going to be successful in getting that type of quarterback, we're going to have to give up something, and we really did." -- San Diego Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard in 1998 after taking Leaf with the second overall choice. He was right about giving something up. He gave up his job two years later, in 2000, the same year Leaf was let go.

• "We just didn't think it was worth it." -- New York Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, in 2000, on not trading up to get RB Jamal Lewis (who is one of only six backs to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a season) and instead picking RB Ron Dayne, who was riding pine within months.

• "This may be one of the best picks we've ever made." -- Giants coach Jim Fassel, on Dayne, same day.

• "I think we made a great pick. To be a championship team, you need playmakers on both sides of the ball and we can do that with Courtney." -- Couch, on draft day 2000, talking about Courtney Brown. Takes a playmaker to know one.

The whole NFL draft is this wonderful 77-float parade that goes past the first judge's stand and right off a cliff. We never hear the other shoe drop.

If the draft really is worth all the hype and hair and, this year, red carpets (oy!), we should at least have a little follow-through. Here's my simple proposal: On the sleeve of every jersey, instead of the player's number, put the player's draft order number. For instance, Tom Brady would wear 199. Roger Staubach would've worn 129. Joe Montana: 82.

And then you could look over at the bench and see all the 1s and 7s and 13s, doing nothing except hogging the heater space.

The NFL draft comes off as though the story ends after the last pick, as though the movie ends the moment Dorothy's house lands on the witch; put on your coat, the movie is over, THE END.

What it really is, of course, is THE START.

Unless you're Cleveland.

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No kids, eh guys? I already forsee pumpkin patch Sunday on an afternoon in October. Usually that's a bye week thang. :thumbup:

New dad here, first football season with the little guy and we're spending Sunday afternoons watching the Browns attempt to play football. My 12 hour marathons of football both days are gone, but nothing's touching my Sunday afternoons with the Browns.
Congrats! First year is the easiest though. Hopefully you can keep it going!

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.

I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

Berry Is at the top of my wish list as well.
except Derrick Morgan
I'll 3rd the Berry preference. If he's not there, give me a right tackle. I do not want Haden or Spiller.
:goodposting:

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Draft day and my preferred choice is Eric Berry. And like Grossi mentions above, if it means giving up one of our 3rd rounders to assure it, so be it.

I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping their picks and going with BPA at #7 though. Heckert has a great track record in the Draft and I'll be comfortable with whatever pick he makes.

Berry Is at the top of my wish list as well.
except Derrick Morgan
I'll 3rd the Berry preference. If he's not there, give me a right tackle. I do not want Haden or Spiller.
:headbang:
well, of those two you have to admit the CB was the better selection.

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:lmao: who knows...don't have a huge problem with the pick...guy fills a hole and gives us some decent depth in our secondary

:lmao: I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns move McDonald for a late pick. Edited by GreatLakesMike

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:lmao: who knows...don't have a huge problem with the pick...guy fills a hole and gives us some decent depth in our secondary

:lmao: I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns move McDonald for a late pick.
honestly don't think they'd get any takers on that.

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i wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns trade up to the 2.1 to take McCoy.

they may not have too...some of the mocks I've seen this morning have he or claussen sliding to brownswouldn't mind seeing taylor mays' name called by browns either Edited by wadegarrett

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i wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns trade up to the 2.1 to take McCoy.

they may not have too...some of the mocks I've seen this morning have he or claussen sliding to brownswouldn't mind seeing taylor mays' name called by browns either
i'm not advocating they do it, or even suggesting it would be necessary to trade up.also, there are plenty of other positions i would rather see them fill at #38.

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:fishing: who knows...don't have a huge problem with the pick...guy fills a hole and gives us some decent depth in our secondary

:shrug: I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns move McDonald for a late pick.
honestly don't think they'd get any takers on that.
I think they would. 5th or 6th. I don't think they move him though.

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i wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns trade up to the 2.1 to take McCoy.

they may not have too...some of the mocks I've seen this morning have he or claussen sliding to brownswouldn't mind seeing taylor mays' name called by browns either
Links to some updated mocks? I saw one that had us take Claussen.

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i wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns trade up to the 2.1 to take McCoy.

they may not have too...some of the mocks I've seen this morning have he or claussen sliding to browns

wouldn't mind seeing taylor mays' name called by browns either

Links to some updated mocks? I saw one that had us take Claussen.
was probably the CBS one here

Kiper has the following:

St. Louis Rams

Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois

The Marvin Harrison comparisons are legit, and Benn brings added physicality.

Minnesota Vikings (from DET)

Taylor Mays, S, USC

Gifted physical talent; Clausen is an option, but no sure thing.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame

The Bucs still need a WR, and Tate is a great option.

Kansas Ciy Chiefs

Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

Clausen falls, but this is a hunch pick.

Philadelphia Eagles (from WAS)

Major Wright, S, Florida

The Eagles still need a safety, and Wright makes sense.

Cleveland Browns

Colt McCoy, QB, Texas

Holmgren gets his man, without having to trade up.

Oakland Raiders

Rodger Saffold, OT, Indiana

The pick makes a lot of sense, which doesn't always compute in Oakland.

Miami Dolphins (from SEA via SDG)

Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas

There was a belief Miami could land Kindle at No. 12. Good deal here.

Buffalo Bills

Charles Brown, OT, USC

Assuming Buffalo keeps Spiller, they should get a tackle here.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from CHI)

Chris Cook, CB, Virginia

A slight reach, but Cook is a good player, and they need a CB.

Baltimore Ravens (from MIA via DEN)

Linval Joseph, DL, East Carolina

Athletic enough to play end in the Ravens' 3-4.

New England Patriots (from JAC)

Daryl Washington, LB, TCU

Freak athlete with great range, a good fit in Pats' scheme.

Denver Broncos

Donald Butler, LB, Washington

Denver needs an inside 'backer and Butler is the best option here.

New York Giants

Brian Price, DT, UCLA

With Morgan and Price, the Giants are a better defense.

New England Patriots (from TEN)

Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU

Lafell can learn from the greats, and could be great himself.

Carolina Panthers

Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas

Briscoe has simply produced, and has better athleticism than I originally thought.

San Francisco 49ers

Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss

Great change of pace from Gore, and behind an improved line.

Kansas City Chiefs (from ATL)

Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

A steal if Campbell's performance catches up with his physical skills.

Houston Texans

Mike Neal, DT, Purdue

Texans still need a tackle, and Neal is a fierce competitor inside.

Pittsburgh Steelers

Taylor Price, WR, Ohio

Another possible second-day gem for the Steelers.

New England Patriots

Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona

More talented than this pick indicates, Brady will love this guy.

Cincinnati Bengals

Everson Griffen, DE, USC

Could go earlier. Talent is there, but so are consistency questions.

Philadelphia Eagles

Jon Asamoah, G, Illinois

Second-best guard available, a steady, strong player.

Green Bay Packers

Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama

They have B.J. Raji, but 3-4 teams can't pass on value like this.

Baltimore Ravens

Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota

They need more weapons and Decker is a guy who can make plays.

Arizona Cardinals

Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

With Anquan Boldin absent, there's a place to grow in the offense.

Dallas Cowboys

Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech

Dallas still needs a safety, and Burnett fits the bill.

Seattle Seahawks (from SDG)

Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida

They didn't address DE in Round 1. Dunlap's an easy choice.

New York Jets

Vladimir Ducasse, OL, Masssachusetts

More likely a guard, the Jets can use him for depth.

Minnesota Vikings

Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest

Speedster could help as Vikes address secondary.

Indianapolis Colts

Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina

Adds some muscle up front after the Hughes pick for the edge.

New Orleans Saints

Nate Allen, S, South Florida

Depth to replace likely-departed Darren Sharper.

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Yeah, but still too high for a corner.

15 years ago, yes, but the game has changed.
The basic tenet that you build from the inside-out has not changed. Anthony Davis would have been ideal here, particularly with Delhomme under center.As far as the rnd 2 pick, I'd like to see Kindle or Allen.

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Not liking the names you guys are tossing around, if Kindle or Sapp aren't the picks I won't be happy. Haden isn't going to help unless we get more pressure on the QB, we need to take someone that can and there should be one or two good ones available. McCoy and Clausen are not the answers.

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Not liking the names you guys are tossing around, if Kindle or Sapp aren't the picks I won't be happy. Haden isn't going to help unless we get more pressure on the QB, we need to take someone that can and there should be one or two good ones available. McCoy and Clausen are not the answers.

Sapp's not in the 2nd round of either of the 2 mocks I've seen this morning. :goodposting:

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Yeah, but still too high for a corner.

15 years ago, yes, but the game has changed.
The basic tenet that you build from the inside-out has not changed. Anthony Davis would have been ideal here, particularly with Delhomme under center.As far as the rnd 2 pick, I'd like to see Kindle or Allen.
5 Cornerbacks were selected in the 1st round. Most of these "experts" don't have a clue, and the mocks they put out are atrocious more often than not. We'll just have to trust that Heckert knows what he's doing.

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Not liking the names you guys are tossing around, if Kindle or Sapp aren't the picks I won't be happy. Haden isn't going to help unless we get more pressure on the QB, we need to take someone that can and there should be one or two good ones available. McCoy and Clausen are not the answers.

Sapp's not in the 2nd round of either of the 2 mocks I've seen this morning. :lmao:
Unless his knee is a bigger issue than I've been led to believe he will be a round 2 pick, healthy he's a round 1 talent and a perfect fit on the outside in our 3-4.

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