whotf is Saunders?If Saunders can keep the coordinators in line then that’s an option.
I could be wrong, but I see Saunders as an extension of Hue - being his "mentor" and all. I think I'd rather rip the band-aid off and let the coordinators run. Use Haley as HC, Kitchens as OC, and Williams as DC. Let's see how the season ends. It can't be any worse than what we have now. It might light a spark, which Haley's attitude could keep stoked through the last half of the year.If Saunders can keep the coordinators in line then that’s an option.
Probably best to stop right here - good teams are built in the offseason then execute their plan in-season, managing issues as they come up. You can't expect to play catch-up in the middle of the season playing musical chairs at more important positions then expect to win. Only one move makes sense on this team from a personnel perspective - one that may benefit the 2019 version, which requires patience. If that criteria is not met then the trade does not make any sense for this team right now. You can go through the if-then tree once that criteria is met though.Ok, I'm impatient.
Riveron needs to send more messages like this one. I wonder if he'll meet with the ref who missed the other blatant false start vs the Browns the following week? Or Hochuli for last week's blown call, which Riveron has already publicly stated was wrong.In a stunning move, the NFL has fired down judge Hugo Cruz, number 94, effective immediately, which has been confirmed by 7 sources who have firsthand knowledge of the situation.
This is the first time in the Super Bowl era that the NFL has fired an official in the middle of the regular season. Previously, the NFL has suspended officials for major mistakes and, if warranted, dropped the official in the offseason. Others had their fate sealed early in the season, but completed the rest of the year, as had happened to a rookie official who fell asleep during a preseason clinic. (He never saw a second season.)
The NFL Referees Association has not responded to our requests for comment, and an NFL spokesman declined to comment.
One of the sources confirmed that Cruz was not “maintaining a very high level of performance over a sustained period,” while another told Football Zebras in March that Cruz’s future with the league was already in jeopardy. This is partially borne out by his lack of postseason assignments for the two seasons he would have qualified for, not counting assignment as an alternate last season. Another oddity that our sources could not find a reason for was that Cruz was assigned to a different crew for 3 of the 6 regular season games he has worked this year. He was assigned to Brad Allen’s crew in Week 6 when a crucial missed false start call should have nullified a Chargers touchdown (or, more accurately, the play would have been shut down long before that).
Even though the miscall was very significant, no call on its own would prompt a firing. Basic human resources training would tell you that there is a document trail of transgressions that will make the case. It is, apparently, the last straw for senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron. Cruz was off last week, so the Week 6 Chargers-Browns game was his last.
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We began this season saying that Riveron needed a good season for job security. Unless the decision came from his superiors, Riveron is sending a clear message to the staff by taking such an unprecedented step and not waiting until the end of the season.
well put.MAC_32 said:Probably best to stop right here - good teams are built in the offseason then execute their plan in-season, managing issues as they come up. You can't expect to play catch-up in the middle of the season playing musical chairs at more important positions then expect to win. Only one move makes sense on this team from a personnel perspective - one that may benefit the 2019 version, which requires patience. If that criteria is not met then the trade does not make any sense for this team right now. You can go through the if-then tree once that criteria is met though.
I don't think it's what @amnesiac was getting at, but this thing shouldn't be built strictly through the draft either. The foundation? Yep, as it has been - but keep sprinkle in trades and free agents where it makes sense too. I'm sure WR will be a priority this offseason, but instead of trading a 5 for a will be 30 year old Sanu next year (yes I know it was just an example, @Peak) maybe target a 27 year old Tyrell Williams in free agency. Pay an extra few bucks and save the pick on a guy that's a better fit on this roster and still in his prime age.
Peak said:I could be wrong, but I see Saunders as an extension of Hue - being his "mentor" and all. I think I'd rather rip the band-aid off and let the coordinators run. Use Haley as HC, Kitchens as OC, and Williams as DC. Let's see how the season ends. It can't be any worse than what we have now. It might light a spark, which Haley's attitude could keep stoked through the last half of the year.
Look at it this way, I think whatever happens on Sunday afternoon, we'll be celebrating by Sunday evening.I hate Hue
it’s a real win-win if you think about it, maybe, sorta.Look at it this way, I think whatever happens on Sunday afternoon, we'll be celebrating by Sunday evening.
Hayden GroveVerified account @H_Grove 20h20 hours agoBaker Mayfield wins NFL Rookie of the Week for a second time
Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield has been named the NFL's Pepsi Rookie of the Week for Week 7.
The No. 1 overall selection completed 23-of-34 passes for 215 yards and two touchdowns in a 26-23 overtime loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He also had four carries for 43 yards.
The Oklahoma product assumed the quarterback role in Week 3 against the New York Jets. He has completed 108-of-187 passes (57.8-percent) for 1,291 yards, six touchdowns and five interceptions as well as 14 carries for 82 yards.
Cleveland's rookies have won five of the seven Rookie of the Week votes this season. Cornerback Denzel Ward won the honor twice. It is the second victory of Mayfield as well. Running back Nick Chubb won for his efforts against the Oakland Raiders....
Part of me wonders if the insurgence of Oklahoma Borwns fans are helping with the voting. Not complaining. Love the fact that this team is starting to get positive feedback in the news instead of the negatives, or just being invisible.Cleveland's rookies have won five of the seven Rookie of the Week votes this season. Cornerback Denzel Ward won the honor twice. It is the second victory of Mayfield as well. Running back Nick Chubb won for his efforts against the Oakland Raiders....
McNeilVerified account @Reflog_18 Oct 25...Cruz had joined the NFL in 2015. His firing is effective immediately, leaving an open spot on Carl Cheffers’ crew.
At 2-4-1 it be kinda stupid to deal for "win now" type players.Looking forward to what Dealin' John Dorsey has in play for next week. Maybe a CB or WR, even a solid, dependalbe, reliable K would be nice. And maybe a new HC. I feel like Xmas is coming early!
That's right. This season is about building. Next year is playoffsAt 2-4-1 it be kinda stupid to deal for "win now" type players.
Guessing we dont make any moves unless we are dealing away a vet who isnt in the future plans.
Not looking for one hit wonders for a playoff push, but some building blocks. Good players who are under contract for a couple more years. We need a wr and a CB. Theres no denying that...and next year's draft isn't big in WRs or CBs. If there is someone we can get now that will help, I'm all for it. We have the means, so let's find the people.At 2-4-1 it be kinda stupid to deal for "win now" type players.
Guessing we dont make any moves unless we are dealing away a vet who isnt in the future plans.
I think next year's wr class is a lot like this one - a lot of guys but possibly no stars. That's not a bad thing.Not looking for one hit wonders for a playoff push, but some building blocks. Good players who are under contract for a couple more years. We need a wr and a CB. Theres no denying that...and next year's draft isn't big in WRs or CBs. If there is someone we can get now that will help, I'm all for it. We have the means, so let's find the people.
Hue sowing seeds to manipulate the situation to his favor. He gets his friends in the media to spin his narrative. Nothing new here. If Hue stays and Haley goes, God help us all.Getting rid of Haley would be crazy.
- I read this wrong the first time, surely they meant Hue? But no.
If they fire Haley, the Haslams should just sell the team and move on from the NFL. They are clueless.I hate Haslam
So you would advocate firing Haley before firing Hue?First let me say I have been against Hue since last year and won;'t belabor that point but Haley has sucked this year so lets not make him out as some sort of saint. Haley has the 22nd ranked offense based on yards and the 30th ranked offense based on DVOA. He's gotten a ton of help from the defense that he given him a league high 20 turnovers. That is more than any recent team has gotten in a year.
He's far from doing his job. He chokes playcalling in the clutch. Last week the Bucs are without their starting Pro Bowl DT Gerald McCoy and their starting DE Vinnie Curry and then during the game they lose their starting Pro Bowl MLB and team captian Kwon Alexander and his rookie replacement and Nick Chubb busts off his three longest runs and becomes a legit weapon and we get to OT after the defense creates turnovers.
What does Haley do?
Given a fresh clock and with that huge advantage in OT Haley passed on first down and only ran Nick Chubb ONE F'CKING TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How the hell do you defend Haley as though he's not part of the problem?
Early in the game when the rushing attack kept getting stuffed He ran Chubb into stacked boxes and tried to cross them up by constantly putting him in the the passing except their is a problem with that strategy, Nick Chubb has NEVER CAUGHT AN NFL PASS and is terrible in pass-pro whereas Duke Johnson caught 74 passes last year and was averaging over 10 yards a touch yet he keeps ignoring him and it is costing us drives, yards, scores.
Haley hasn't been using the players correctly and I think that is why Dorsey had to trade Hyde just to get Chubb on the field but now it seems like Haley is trying to show up Dorsey by misusing Chubb in the passing game to show how mad he is at Dorsey for getting rid of Hyde.
You don't fire anyone until the BYE if then. It won't serve any constructive long-term purpose. Short term satisfaction at a cost of long term stability is f'ckng stupid but all of this sht about Haley being great is absurd.So you would advocate firing Haley before firing Hue?
I didnt realize people were talking about Haley being great.You don't fire anyone until the BYE if then. It won't serve any constructive long-term purpose. Short term satisfaction at a cost of long term stability is f'ckng stupid but all of this sht about Haley being great is absurd.
No you're right. Absolutely nothing negative in the long term and it really shows how stable the org is. THAT sort of stability is really going to help us going into the off season when we've got Dorsey and a full salary cap check book and he's trying to entice quality free agents without having to egregiously overpay them. I bet it will make the best HC candidates happy to see as well. Yep, nothing bad could possibly come from firing a HC midseason.I didnt realize people were talking about Haley being great.
Hue is a total dunce. Firing him right now would have no negative long term effect. None. Period. He is a cancer
WHat looks worse, firing a guy midseason, or letting a guy just keep losing and losing and losing and losing and losing...........and throwing everyone else under the bus......then losing and losing and losing...........................No you're right. Absolutely nothing negative in the long term and it really shows how stable the org is. THAT sort of stability is really going to help us going into the off season when we've got Dorsey and a full salary cap check book and he's trying to entice quality free agents without having to egregiously overpay them. I bet it will make the best HC candidates happy to see as well. Yep, nothing bad could possibly come from firing a HC midseason.
This is my thought as well. You have a HC who used to be a OC and another OC...both hard headed nincompoops. How do you know who's calling what and when? I can't get behind Hue staying. I can't. I also know that Haley isn't the long term solution and gone by year's end as well. But Haley may be 2-4-1. Hue is 3-35-1. Get rid of the guy who has been failing at his job for the longest time. Fire the guy who has thrown more coordinators under the bus than he has wins. Fire the guy who has lost this team.amnesiac said:to be fair, we don’t know how much of the play calling is Haley and how much is Hue.
some of what he is doing might be through a filter
Dump 'em bothamnesiac said:to be fair, we don’t know how much of the play calling is Haley and how much is Hue.
some of what he is doing might be through a filter
So fire them both. Just make sure Hue is fired first.Bracie Smathers said:I actually agree with Hue about Haley more than you hate Hue and I MEAN IT.
Haley is up by 14 points against Oakland and he does what? Runs it and controls the clock? Nope, has his rookie QB pass to his rookie deep threat WR and it leads to two-consecutive turnovers and we get OT and he still won't run the ball. He cost us that game and last week's game against the Bucs when he got a gift playing the 31st ranked defense riddled with injury and they lost the entire middle of the defense giving him a PERFECT opportunity to run Nick Chubb who runs best between the tackles. I'm livid with Haley. WTfreak is his malfunction?????? You answer that before you keep throwing this hate Hue sht again and again. We'd be 4-2-1 and today's game would mean something if Haley did his job.
Your solution to cancer removal is to let the patient die.Bracie Smathers said:No you're right. Absolutely nothing negative in the long term and it really shows how stable the org is. THAT sort of stability is really going to help us going into the off season when we've got Dorsey and a full salary cap check book and he's trying to entice quality free agents without having to egregiously overpay them. I bet it will make the best HC candidates happy to see as well. Yep, nothing bad could possibly come from firing a HC midseason.
...and what we are seeing is exactly what Haley warned of in August - a team plays how they practice. What he was seeing in practice (sloppy, undisciplined, unprepared, etc.) predictably carried over to the games.amnesiac said:to be fair, we don’t know how much of the play calling is Haley and how much is Hue.
some of what he is doing might be through a filter