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Bracie Smathers
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SportsCenter - Breaking: The Browns are planning to hire Vikings OC Kevin Stefanski as their head coach, a source confirmed to ESPN. First reported by NFL Network.
Ian Rapoport - Sources: The #Browns are planning to hire #Vikings OC Kevin Stefanski as their new head coach. Runner-up last year, winner this year.
Daryl Ruiter 7m - The #Browns will now be aligned top to bottom on the football side from Paul DePodesta to the GM to head coach for the first time under the Haslam ownership. No more philosophical tug of war. It better work or we'll do this again in 2 years. DePodesta is now on the clock.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Wikipedia has Stefanski as the new HC. Can't get anymore concrete than that!
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
He was my distant third choice. I wanted McDaniels and I was warming up to Saleh. If anything, Stefanski was becoming less and less desirable for me, so it figures that is who we got.
I will be a good soldier and give him his fair shake and hope he becomes the best coach we have had in a long time.
I will be a good soldier and give him his fair shake and hope he becomes the best coach we have had in a long time.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
One year ago.
We aren't coming off a season with more than one win in years or a young QB who broke the NFL rookie TD record so expectations should be lowered but I am glad that it wasn't Josh McDaniels.
I think Stephanski can put together a good staff and he will be an improvement over Freddie Kitchens.
The GM hire is important because we need a few missing pieces so we have to do much better than GMs prior to Dorsey.
MAC_32
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So no head coaching experience, and one year as a coordinator. Is that correct?
amnesiac
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Peak
Footballguy
The staff is going to be key for Stefanski. Names I've heard so far connected:
OC: Mike LeFleur (SF QB Coach), Mike McDaniel (SF Running Coach), Flint Kubiak (MN QB Coach)
DC: Gus Edwards (MN DC contract ended), Kris Richard
ST: retain Prifer (sp?)
I wouldn't mind one of the SF guys, if only to continue building in the Zone scheme Stefanski started in MIN this year. Kubiaks kid wouldn't be bad, as that might bring Gary with him as an advisor. I'd like to see a solid DC there to help him.
Haslam can't leave Stefanski on an island without help. That's also important. Starting over with another first time HC is a little bothersome. Hoping they find a way to help him bridge the gap.
For GM, looks/sounds like DePo is bringing back Andrew Berry from PHI. He was part of the 1-31 disaster, but he's DePos guy. I have to think he was following directions to tank. I've heard he's a very smart football mind.
One thing is for sure, DePo got what he wanted and there is no turning back. Hope it works out, but I'm a little skeptical for now. Haslam will need to let this run out, for better or worse
MAC_32
Footballguy
2 things - I have no delusions this team will ever get anything right. And this is a terrible take.
amnesiac
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not directing this at you, but everyone needs to give up on this.
Haslam has proven time and again that he is impatient and impulsive.
our only hope at stopping the constant turnover is for the new coach to have some immediate success.
if Stefanski doesn’t go at least 9-7 next year, i would be willing to bet money that Haslam will blow this up again.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm not following. A talent evaluator's role isn't to strategize anything. It's just to evaluate talent.
amnesiac
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Dont disagree, it's why the mentions of blowing it all up a week ago never made any sense.
Peak
Footballguy
Yep. But what talent did we bring in? I'm having a hard time remembering.
I would've liked them to actually interview the other candidates, but it sounds like it's Berry's to lose as Haslam and DePo like him.
amnesiac
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Kevin Stefanski and Robert Saleh were the Browns’ two finalists, but Saleh’s QB track record clinched it: Coach search insider
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MAC_32
Footballguy
The answer to your question - Demario Davis, Emmanuel Ogbah, Joe Schobert, Rashard Higgins, Carl Nassib, Kevin Zeitler, JC Tretter, Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku, and Larry Ogunjobi.
I don't think that answers matters much though. How much was he involved in this specific acquisitions? What about the misses? Or the ones that didnt happen? I dont know, but I think it's telling that he was retained despite the front office turnover December 2017. And like everyone else who provided their assessment for 2018 his #1 qb was Baker.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Sashi Brown draft picks.MAC_32 said:
2017
- 1st round Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M, Jabrill Peppers DB Michigan, David Njoku TEMiami (FL)
- 2nd round DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame
- 3rd round Larry Ogunjobi DT North Carolina-Charlotte
- 4th round Howard Wilson DB Houston
- 5th round Roderick Johnson TF lorida State
- 6th round Caleb BrantleyDTFlorida
- 7th round Zane Gonzalez K Arizona State, Matthew Dayes RB North Carolina State
- 1st round Corey Coleman WR Baylor
- 2nd round Emmanuel Ogbah DE Oklahoma State
- 3rd round Carl Nassib DE Penn State, Shon Coleman T Auburn, Cody Kessler QB USC
- 4th round Joe Schobert LB Wisconsin, Ricardo Louis WR Auburn, Derrick Kindred DB Texas Christian, Seth Devalve TE Princeton
- 5th round Jordan Payton WR UCLA, Spencer Drango G Baylor, Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State, Trey Caldwell DB Louisiana-Monroe
- 7th round Scooby Wright IIILBArizona
Zeitler’s average salary of $12 million per season surpasses Kelechi Osemele’s Oakland Raiders deal of $11.7 million per season, making Zeitler the highest paid guard in NFL history.
Sashi had T Mitchell Schwartz at an agreed upon price but withdrew the offer. Named first team All Pro at his position.
Four 1st round draft picks, two 2nd round picks, four 3rd round picks, five 4th round picks, five 5th round picks, one 6th round pick, and three 7th round picks. All-in-all 24 draft picks using two on QBs but failed to land a franchise quarterback. Bypassed QB Carson Wentz in 2016. Bypassed QB Patrick Mahomes and QB DeSuan Watson in 2017.
Part of the group to hire head coach Hue Jackson.
Twenty four picks and none of them made Pro Bowl first team during Sashi's tenure as GM. Joe Schobert made it in 2018 the year after Sashi was let go. In his first year 2016 Alex Mack who left during Sashi's stint as GM, Joe Thomas selected many years prior to Sashi, and Gary Barnage signed year before Sashi as a FA from Carolina made it in 2016. Only Joe Thomas made it 2017. No Pro Bowlers that Sashi drafted or signed as free agents made first team Pro Bowl in the two years Sashi was GM.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Sonny Weaver still available?Bobcat10 said:
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Imagine that!Yea, Ed Doss turned down the interview
Since I'm trying to stay positive....Doss would have interviewed if we chose Saleh.
Peak
Footballguy
Monken Officially Out; Priefer to be retained by Stefanski
Still have to think Klint Kubiak would be a good pickup for OC, bringing his dad over with him as well. Both Kubiaks have a good relationship with Stefanski, and have publicly stated they would work with him wherever he goes. If not them, then one of the SF offensive coaches would fit in well. However, I think the SF guys are a pipe dream.
Interesting article from The Ringer on Stefanski, Kubiak, and the Offensive Identity for MIN leading into 2019
Other coaches I'd like to see retained are Stump, Campden, and Henry. I think that would help with Offensive consistency, as well as inject some new life into that side of the ball.
Still waiting to see what happens on Defense. I can understand Wilks returning, but I don't think his methods would jive with Stefanski's vision (square peg/round hole). I don't know enough about Gus Edwards, except to say he didn't call the plays while under Zimmer.
Still have to think Klint Kubiak would be a good pickup for OC, bringing his dad over with him as well. Both Kubiaks have a good relationship with Stefanski, and have publicly stated they would work with him wherever he goes. If not them, then one of the SF offensive coaches would fit in well. However, I think the SF guys are a pipe dream.
Interesting article from The Ringer on Stefanski, Kubiak, and the Offensive Identity for MIN leading into 2019
Other coaches I'd like to see retained are Stump, Campden, and Henry. I think that would help with Offensive consistency, as well as inject some new life into that side of the ball.
Still waiting to see what happens on Defense. I can understand Wilks returning, but I don't think his methods would jive with Stefanski's vision (square peg/round hole). I don't know enough about Gus Edwards, except to say he didn't call the plays while under Zimmer.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Definitely.When Kubiak was hired, by Stefanski which is interesting, the Viking beat writers said this was how Kubiak would help their offense. Lots a juicy stuff here.
How might Gary Kubiak help the Vikings' offense?
Two basic types of zone, inside and outside. We have the pivot in center J.C. Tretter. I don't think we have the tackles to run outside zone. Outside zone is more technical/nuanced/perfect timing. This is one of the reasons why I am crossing my fingers that we get a good personnel/football guy evaluator at GM. We 'probably' need two new tackles if we want to run an effective outside zone and I'm sure any Kubiak disciple wants to run pivot/pull inside-outside zone concepts.
Play action/boots/rolls are all staples of any Shanahan/Kubiak offense. We will be able to run a lot of that playbook.
I'd absolutely love it if we can get Kubiak. I wanted him as the HC but he doesn't want to be a HC. Stefanski is only 37 and could use an experienced voice in his corner but I have not heard anything about his possile staff.
amnesiac
beer is good
Browns coach to submit game plan to owner and analytics department?
what happens if they don’t like it? do they re-write it on Saturday??
also the analytics guy supposedly gets a headset during the game. (this could potentially be a good thing?)
what happens if they don’t like it? do they re-write it on Saturday??
also the analytics guy supposedly gets a headset during the game. (this could potentially be a good thing?)
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beer 30
Footballguy
Ray Farmer but with a headset
What happens if they don't like it? Hell if I know, probably wing it like we did this year after the initial script ran out. Seems pretty stupid to me and doesn't really instill a lot of trust in your new HC. I would hope winning alleviates the need for this nonsense but Jimma gonna Jimma.
amnesiac
beer is good
i think they would’ve won a couple extra games this year if they had someone with half a brain on the headset with Freddie:
”don’t call the shovel pass. it doesn’t work!!!”
”don’t throw that challenge flag! Do. Not. Throw. That. Flag.”
”call a ####### time out, they’re bleeding the clock!!”
etc.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If this is set up properly then the Friday meeting is simply to communicate what the plan is for reference purposes post-game. This is an opportunity for information sharing to potentially enhance the game plan, but not applying any wholesale changes to what had been worked on with the team throughout the week. This sort of plan is already in-use with other teams and those teams also have analytics people feeding information throughout the game.
beer 30
Footballguy
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
This is the Brown's Mac, in no way, shape or form will the eloquence of what you wrote take place within the confines of Berea. Dare to dream...
Peak
Footballguy
The way I could envision some of this is for the Analytics team to come back and infuse expectations from the defense on the play call selections. What are their pressure tendencies? How often do they blitz from one side when a certain protection is called? Those kind of things. I don't see them making changes to the game plan, but enhancing it with what the opponents tendencies may be when facing a certain scheme/play/protection.
As for gameday headsets, many teams already do this today from what I've read. We joke about "don't run this!" or "don't challenge that!", but there may be a little truth there. I see this as another advisor to help level the playing field. The eye in the sky who might be able to give you better odds on a potential challenge. Or confirm that the 4th and 1 play drawn up has a high success rate. Things like that. I view this more as an advantage rather than a distraction.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Different interpretation of how it would go.
I'm not sold on the fan knee jerk panic or the calm soothing explanations.
I've done homework on Stephanski and like the long term but expect bumps as he is learning on the job. That first year when he took over the OC duties he was missing things and opposing DCs were jumping routes. Then he got Kubiak and I'm pretty sure he cleaned up some glaring errors.
It's About Time The Browns Joined Football's Modern Age
I think we all are in the dark on analytics. Some of the beat writers haven't a clue and nearly every fan, including myself have no idea what they really do and I don't buy Pete Smith's explanation above but feel its 'more' towards the truth.
amnesiac
beer is good
“Stefanski, who is at Browns headquarters today finalizing his contract, will be rounding out his coaching staff soon, and one possibility for defensive coordinator is Vikings defensive coordinator George Edwards, the Browns’ linebackers coach in 2004. Edwards’ contract has expired, and ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Sunday that he won’t be returning to the Vikings.”
they are also considering retaining Wilks.
they are also considering retaining Wilks.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Haha, it being a good idea and the Browns executing properly are completely different issues. I feel better about its success potential with Depo effectively in charge, but it's still done side eyed until I actually see it work.
franchise punter
Footballguy
There was an article at some point this season that mentioned the Patriots have the smallest coaching staff on gamedays. The Browns had the biggest staff.
Something to note when thinking of giving another guy a headset.
Something to note when thinking of giving another guy a headset.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Report that we're hiring Son of Bum.
Reports: Browns to Hire Wade Phillips as Defensive Coordinator, Andrew Berry as General Manager
It is like a 3-4 with an Elephant (Jack = WDE/Leo/Elephant) PHOTO of the 4-3 Under
Reports: Browns to Hire Wade Phillips as Defensive Coordinator, Andrew Berry as General Manager
The 4-3 Under: Defining the Defense
Ah, I thought Wade ran a 3-4 so this makes sense.
It is like a 3-4 with an Elephant (Jack = WDE/Leo/Elephant) PHOTO of the 4-3 Under
beer 30
Footballguy
Lot of folks get bent about 3-4 / 4-3. In today's defensive schemes it really doesn't matter and I'll die on that hill. You might line up in that to start the game but virtually every snap these days requires a different formation so even if you line up in it, by the time the snap occurs, it's probably a different formation.
