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Pete Prisco crapping on our pick

 

Jedrick Wills Jr. OL, BAMA

Height: 6-4, Weight: 312

There's better upside from the other two tackles available. This kid is clearly a right tackle, but has the body of a guard. I think there will be a transition for him moving over to the left side if indeed that's where they play him. (Pete Prisco)

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1 minute ago, Dez said:

Pete Prisco crapping on our pick

 

Jedrick Wills Jr. OL, BAMA

Height: 6-4, Weight: 312

There's better upside from the other two tackles available. This kid is clearly a right tackle, but has the body of a guard. I think there will be a transition for him moving over to the left side if indeed that's where they play him. (Pete Prisco)

Prisco is an idiot, I had him #2 on my board he's better than those other tackles, Wirfs and Becton might not even be LT's

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1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:

That pick got in double-quick.  

They had choices and wanted him over Wirfs and Becton and they weren't taking time to ponder a trade.  

They definitely waned Jedrick Wills.

Andrew Berry Said Jedrick Wills Was A Player They 'Targeted'

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Without hesitation, the Browns used the tenth pick in the 2020 NFL Draft to draft Alabama's Jedrick Wills.

General Manager Andrew Berry said there was a reason there was no hesitation when the Browns were on the clock. 

"There's certainly a lot of good players, but we felt very strongly about Jed," Berry said on a conference call after the pick was made."He was certainly one of the players that we targeted and we were excited when he was available to us."

 

Go to the link to see what they said.

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Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrich

#Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta said we weighed O-line coach Bill Callahan's opinion pretty heavily and he has a strong belief Jedrick Wills can transition from right tackle to left tackle

Edited by Bracie Smathers

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2 hours ago, Dez said:

I wonder who they had rated higher Thomas or him

Given how quickly the pick was in don't think it mattered.

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Posted (edited)

winfield in rnd 2 would be *chef kiss*

wonder if a big body like mims (wr) is in play?

Edited by Soulfly3

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'Best' available players left on the board according to DJ.

A few might spark our interest.

2020 NFL Draft: Best remaining prospects available

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2020 NFL Draft: Best remaining prospects available

RANK

  • 19 - Ross Blacklock, DT
  • 22 - Xavier McKinney, S
  • 26 - A.J. Epenesa, Edge
  • 29 - Jaylon Johnson, CB
  • 30 - Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge
  • 33 - Marlon Davidson, Edge
  • 34 - Zack Baun, LB
  • 40 - Grant Delpit, S
  • 43 - Kristian Fulton, CB
  • 44 - Jeremy Chinn, LB
  • 45 - Justin Madubuike, DT
  • 47 - Antoine Winfield Jr., S

 

I could highlight every one of these players but the bolded are ones that definitely fit.

I've heard 'good things' about Kristian Fulton.

No matter who goes off the board before we are scheduled to pick in the 2nd round we will get another good player.

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I like Baun's versatility substantially more than Epenesa and Gross-Matos. Winfield vs McKinney vs Chinn is the safety decision - different types of safety but all of good quality. And unlike Delpit they're not allergic to tackling. 

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17 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I like Baun's versatility substantially more than Epenesa and Gross-Matos. Winfield vs McKinney vs Chinn is the safety decision - different types of safety but all of good quality. And unlike Delpit they're not allergic to tackling. 

Baun 'might' fall due to diluted sample.

We 'may' have an outside shot of at-least one of these guys falling to our pick in the 3rd round.   

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6 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

We 'may' have an outside shot of at-least one of these guys falling to our pick in the 3rd round.   

Agreed - and to expand, I think their 3rd round grades on defensive players will influence which position to target. I am curious if they'll throw us a curve ball at WR though.

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4 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

Agreed - and to expand, I think their 3rd round grades on defensive players will influence which position to target. I am curious if they'll throw us a curve ball at WR though.

In a way I'd love-it especially Shenalt but the new two-TE scheme coupled with the dire need at FS... I dunno.  

Its kinda like the Cowboys having CeeDee fall into their lap when Jerry said they had K'Lavon lined-up as the pick.  They took the immense value and I don't fault them one bit.

In any event, it looks like we are going to get a 'good' player.

I'm psyched..

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18 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

especially Shenalt 

:yes:

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Mike Renner@PFF_Mike

Jedrick Wills Jr. led all tackles in a freaky draft class in big-time blocks (basically pancakes) last season. The dude flies around the field like a tight end #Browns

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

shenault, Edwards or mims would be 👍

I like Mimms a lot also but check out this chart listing unit-grades for every NFL team.

Look to the right, scroll down to CLV and you can see our lowest unit grade is LB.  

It doesn't break down by position but we need a FS.

Our WR unit has one of the highest grades in the NFL and Stephanski runs a ton of 2-TE sets so we'd be sitting our 3rd WR a lot and hardly used them last year.  

Love the talent but not utility/fit for our team/scheme.

LINK to the chart of unit grades for every NFL team  >> 📊 >>  Mike Clay Unit Grade Chart

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i want Winfield, personally ( i took him in the SP mock draft in the 2nd)

But those guys would be my WR picks if we took that route. 

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2 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

i want Winfield, personally ( i took him in the SP mock draft in the 2nd)

But those guys would be my WR picks if we took that route. 

Though I do really like Shenault for Baker, we can mine the deep WR talent later if we choose to go that route in this draft. Need to try for an impact defensive player here in the 2nd imo. 

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8 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

Though I do really like Shenault for Baker, we can mine the deep WR talent later if we choose to go that route in this draft. Need to try for an impact defensive player here in the 2nd imo. 

I piggy backed Shenault specifically because I think he has that alpha mentality to supplant Beckham. He's a play maker at all three levels that also isn't afraid of getting physical. My only question is health. So give him a path to a role this year then see if his performance demands more. I think the other receivers are better complimentary options, so if it isn't him then I agree about waiting a while before taking a shot at the position. A complimentary WR doesn't take priority to a starter on defense on this team right now. Because I agree that we need help in the middle of the defense, so if we don't address that at 41 then I expect a LB/S at 74. And doubling up today probably makes the most sense. I'm just entranced by Shenault.

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i will be surprised if they don’t use the rest of the picks on defense.  

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i could see drafting a WR if they trade OBJ for a good defensive player.  

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I still can’t believe we ended up with 97 instead of 90.

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2 minutes ago, Galileo said:

trade down to 44...

44th and 160th picks to get to 41

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8 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

44th and 160th picks to get to 41

Good trade

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Will Cleveland draft Cleveland ?

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Posted (edited)

Delpit very nice. (But we couldve had Winfield)

Edited by Soulfly3

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3 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Delpit very nice. 

Will certainly be an interesting 3-4 years comparing him to Winfield.

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PFF - Grant Delpit stands out for more than just his coverage ability. He had almost twice as many career run-stops as the next closest top safety in this year’s draft.

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FWIW, Delpit's tackling this past season was bad early on but he was banged up for a lot of the season. As he got healthier late in the year he started to look more himself. I'll be rooting for him to be good for you guys.

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There’s a knock on Delpit’s tackling. That’s all fair. But according to @PFF made 10 tackles and didn’t miss a single tackle throughout the SEC Championship, CFPlayoff and National Championship. Kid has amazing talent, potential and can make an impact on the #Browns defense.

Apparently played w a high ankle sprain most of the season. Berry aknowledged his tackling needs to be worked on, but good to see he came up big when it really mattered

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PFF

"PICK 44: CLEVELAND BROWNS (VIA INDIANAPOLIS COLTS) — S GRANT DELPIT, LSU
Delpit was the highest-ranked safety on the PFF Draft Board and the 15th-best prospect overall. In other words, the Browns getting him 44th overall is a huge steal. He has NFL-ready coverage ability and short-area quickness that make him the best in the class. Delpit combined for 27 interceptions and forced incompletions in his three years with LSU, which tied for the most in the FBS. You can live with the missed tackles because of his otherwise elite coverage play."

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Why did Houston get to send us their compensatory pick #97 instead of their own 3rd #90 in the Duke Johnson trade ?

So had Houston not got a 3rd round compensatory pick we would got pick #90 ?  Is that how it works ?

It was a 4th upgraded to a 3rd when Duke played 10 games.

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Damn moved down from 74 to 88 better be for something good..........I wanted to see a pick there.

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Damn that is who I wanted the Browns to take at 74 and we traded it away.  Damn.

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7 minutes ago, Dez said:

Damn that is who I wanted the Browns to take at 74 and we traded it away.  Damn.

 

6 minutes ago, Brownsfan said:

Thought we should have taken Baun there 

Yep.  I thought he'd fall due to the diluted sample and he did but I thought we would have caught a bargain.  

Teams typically don't trade-down unless a guy they had targeted got taken before they selected.

EDIT:  In this case we picked up a 3rd next year so that is a good return to move-down.

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Pete Smith@_PeteSmith_

6m

Cleveland #Browns Swap Picks With New Orleans #Saints, Add Third Round Pick in 2021

Edited by Bracie Smathers

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Elliott ESPN's #41 overall ranked player taken at #88

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1 hour ago, Dez said:

Damn that is who I wanted the Browns to take at 74 and we traded it away.  Damn.

It was a good trade, but like seemingly everyone else I really wanted Baun.

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10 minutes ago, Dez said:

Elliott ESPN's #41 overall ranked player taken at #88

Steve Doerschuk@sdoerschukREP

Daniel Jeremiah ranks No. 88 pick Jordan Elliott as 67th-best player in draft: "Scheme-diverse ... offers high upside. with talent to become a starter in Year 1 or 2."

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11:06pm: Jordan Elliot is an interior rusher with intangibles but limited production. Boom or bust prospect at defensive tackle. At least they get some depth at 3-technique.

11:10pm: Elliot was ranked 23rd on PFF's big board! The Browns are only team with three players in the top-25 of PFF's big board. Analytics showing true in Berry's first draft.

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This may be the end of Ogunjobi...

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11:14pm: The next selection at 97 should be either a linebacker or tight end. Two prospects for each position are Malik Harrison and Adam Trautman.

11:18pm: Per PFF, Jordan Elliot is the only Power-5 interior defender with 90.0+ run-defense and pass-rush grades. Great value pick for Berry!

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Malik would be a good pick if he's their.  Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State is another name I noted for mid-late LB prospect.  Trautman if we go TE.  

Still some good talent available.   Curtis Weaver still their as well.

EDGE CURTIS WEAVER, BOISE STATE

Weaver's athleticism or lack thereof is terrifying. He doesn't have a body of work against quality tackles to prove it won't matter, but we've also never seen an edge dominate the group of 5 to the degree Weaver did.

Edited by Bracie Smathers

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You guys are killing it. Best draft so far, in my opinion. Nice to have some competency in the building.

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1 minute ago, travdogg said:

You guys are killing it. Best draft so far, in my opinion. Nice to have some competency in the building.

I wouldn't go that far, but it's been a'ight. 

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10 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

This may be the end of Ogunjobi...

We are going to have an active rotation that requires depth.  

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Scott Petrak ct@ScottPetrak

#Browns GM Andrew Berry on DTs: Almost like hockey lines. We're really passed days where only play the starters. Important to have depth in that position group.

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4 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

We are going to have an active rotation that requires depth.  

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Scott Petrak ct@ScottPetrak

#Browns GM Andrew Berry on DTs: Almost like hockey lines. We're really passed days where only play the starters. Important to have depth in that position group.

Agreed 100%. Dorsey not prioritizing rotations drove me nuts. This is a refreshingly smart approach to the DL.

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DL needs to be as fresh as possible for max efficiency. Gassed DL are as useful as tree stumps. 

For once, gonna hold back my excitement as much as possible but those first 3 picks were total *chef kiss*

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We generally assume that Wills will take over LT.  I wonder if that's best.  Maybe Conklin would make more sense.  I think he'd fit better next to Bitonio.  He, being a veteran, could more easily adapt to the switch, and the rookie probably has more than enough on his plate already.  The counter argument is it's foolish to move an all-pro.  Thoughts?

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5 minutes ago, daveR said:

We generally assume that Wills will take over LT.  I wonder if that's best.  Maybe Conklin would make more sense.  I think he'd fit better next to Bitonio.  He, being a veteran, could more easily adapt to the switch, and the rookie probably has more than enough on his plate already.  The counter argument is it's foolish to move an all-pro.  Thoughts?

Generally speaking fixing one hole by creating another is a mistake. Because then you may unintentionally create two holes.

Conklin is a good RT. LT vs RT doesn't matter much in today's NFL. You need good players both places because defenses move their pass rushers around more than they used to. So, keep the good RT at RT and develop the new toy and hope it works out at LT.

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Joe Thomas said something along the lines of re: Wills that"moving from LT ro RT and RT to LT only takes a few days/weeks... It's basically just kicking out the opposite foot and takes little getting used to" (paraphrased)

Now, easy for a HoF'r to say, but I think he knows. And the fact he's reached out to help Wills develop is MONSTER.

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