Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
Cleveland Browns (15 Viewers)
- Thread starter wadegarrett
- Start date
Soulfly3
Footballguy
trying not to be too excited. keeping my nose clean.
ps: first time since NINETY-FOUR (under Bill Bellichek) we've been 4-1.
Galileo
Footballguy
Galileo
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Baker passing in the first half:
Hasn't been discussed by Jarvis took a hit early in the game and staggered to get up. He had those fugly back-to-back drops late in the game however he made that 'sic' catch over the top of the DB right afterwards so I'm not sure if those late drops were somehow connected to the early hit or ???? I have no idea how GodSon dropped those two passes late in the game. I was saying OMGSon when he dropped that second pass.
Rashard Higgins looked 'so-smoothe'. Like he never broke a sweat. I guess he wasn't playing because of game scripts because we rarely play trips running 12 and 13 personnel a ton, he adds nothing to special teams which has been an issue all year and was a major problem yesterday. Not sure how much we'll see Hollywood but man he looked good to me. I'd love to have at least one series where we 'open-it-up' with three-wides after we gas a pass rush to get him on the field so-long as we figure out ST cover units.
Got to give a big nod to OBJ for his 'sic' catch where he got close-lined and still came up with that big catch. OBJ also had that trick-play pass that 'could' and probably 'should' have gone for a TD but INDY DBs can tackle man. Tip of the hat. Baker got bailed out by his receivers who were ball'n UP TO THE POINT of Landry's drops. Even Hunt making his leaping TD grab.
S Harrison pick-six was great and he looked 'good'. About the only S who has burst and speed. Sendejo is atrocious, slow poor tackler. He's kill'n us.
Myles is a monster. 8 turnovers have come directly from him/his pressure. The safety was all-Myles. 2 pts plus we get the ball back. Can't express how much I luv Myles.
Never thought I'd say this but thank god for Hubbard. He has been a lifesaver the past two weeks. Hope to god that Teller is back this week. Steelers D isn't great against the run but leads the league in sacks. We have to protect Baker. We have to run the ball and try to 'wear em down' if we can but without Wyatt Teller ... I think Stefanski can figure something out.
Stefanski. Who would'a thunk it? Rookie HC and calling plays would create 4 consecutive games scoring over 30 pts, something the Browns haven't seen since MLK and Bobby Kennedy were alive. I am happy to say I was wrong and that he is a much better play caller and game day adjuster than I ever imagined. Huge shout out to Callahan, he's been amazing mixing zone and power-trap game.
Once again, hope Teller can play and Baker's ribs are 'good-nuff' to make throws he was making in the first half of the Indy game.
- 228 yards passing
- 2 TDs
- 0 INTs
- 19 yards passing
- 0 TDs
- 2 INTs
Hasn't been discussed by Jarvis took a hit early in the game and staggered to get up. He had those fugly back-to-back drops late in the game however he made that 'sic' catch over the top of the DB right afterwards so I'm not sure if those late drops were somehow connected to the early hit or ???? I have no idea how GodSon dropped those two passes late in the game. I was saying OMGSon when he dropped that second pass.
Rashard Higgins looked 'so-smoothe'. Like he never broke a sweat. I guess he wasn't playing because of game scripts because we rarely play trips running 12 and 13 personnel a ton, he adds nothing to special teams which has been an issue all year and was a major problem yesterday. Not sure how much we'll see Hollywood but man he looked good to me. I'd love to have at least one series where we 'open-it-up' with three-wides after we gas a pass rush to get him on the field so-long as we figure out ST cover units.
Got to give a big nod to OBJ for his 'sic' catch where he got close-lined and still came up with that big catch. OBJ also had that trick-play pass that 'could' and probably 'should' have gone for a TD but INDY DBs can tackle man. Tip of the hat. Baker got bailed out by his receivers who were ball'n UP TO THE POINT of Landry's drops. Even Hunt making his leaping TD grab.
S Harrison pick-six was great and he looked 'good'. About the only S who has burst and speed. Sendejo is atrocious, slow poor tackler. He's kill'n us.
Myles is a monster. 8 turnovers have come directly from him/his pressure. The safety was all-Myles. 2 pts plus we get the ball back. Can't express how much I luv Myles.
Never thought I'd say this but thank god for Hubbard. He has been a lifesaver the past two weeks. Hope to god that Teller is back this week. Steelers D isn't great against the run but leads the league in sacks. We have to protect Baker. We have to run the ball and try to 'wear em down' if we can but without Wyatt Teller ... I think Stefanski can figure something out.
Stefanski. Who would'a thunk it? Rookie HC and calling plays would create 4 consecutive games scoring over 30 pts, something the Browns haven't seen since MLK and Bobby Kennedy were alive. I am happy to say I was wrong and that he is a much better play caller and game day adjuster than I ever imagined. Huge shout out to Callahan, he's been amazing mixing zone and power-trap game.
Once again, hope Teller can play and Baker's ribs are 'good-nuff' to make throws he was making in the first half of the Indy game.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You disappeared after that embarrassment in San Francisco last year and didn't make another in-season appearance until we were 3-1. If you don't want fair weather fan zingers tossed your way then you gotta ride out the bad times - not go into hiding. There isn't anything wrong with being as boistorous as you were going into 19 - football would be quite boring if everyone were even keeled and reasonable. But don't play dumb about why we're giving you the business after your houdini act amidst an avalanche of L's.when im here hyping the team i get poopoo'd on
when i decide to take a step back and just let the team do the talking, i get poopoo'd on.
im always watching and cheering w the rest of you. just went/going for a different approach this season. and it's working.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
beer 30
Footballguy
That's a really good question I've yet to hear a good answer to. The only knock I've heard is the Kaepernick link but I'd think in this day and age of wokeness, that would be applauded. He played well in CAR last year, I haven't heard he's a bad seed in the locker room like Earl Thomas...got me but the dude can't get an interview let alone a tryout
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Injury report:
Browns
Browns
- QB Baker Mayfield (ribs)
- WR Jarvis Landry (hip, rib)
- WR Odell Beckham (illness)
- S Ronnie Harrison (concussion)
- S Karl Joseph (hamstring)
- LB Jacob Phillips (knee)
- G Wyatt Teller (calf)
- P Jamie Gillan (left groin)
- DT Larry Ogunjobi (abdomen)
- DE Olivier Vernon (groin)
- G David DeCastro (abdomen)
- WR Diontae Johnson (back)
amnesiac
beer is good
Thanks. And this is legit a big deal.Congrats to Baker Mayfield for overtaking Rothleisberger for most wins in Cleveland
in all seriousness team looks good should be a tough battle for the division
always had a soft spot for the Browns
that stat has been a thorn in the side of Cleveland for years. a giant reminder of the terrible run they have been on.
good to get that monkey off their back.
amnesiac
beer is good
meh. would anyone here really bet money on the Browns on the road against Pittsburgh before this game? not me.
I hate that they got blown out, but let’s be realistic. if they can win the games they are supposed to this season, and get 8-10 wins, they can build on that.
Baltimore and Pittsburgh are still better teams right now.
I hate that they got blown out, but let’s be realistic. if they can win the games they are supposed to this season, and get 8-10 wins, they can build on that.
Baltimore and Pittsburgh are still better teams right now.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
THIS.Bracie Smathers said:
Bobcat10
Footballguy
There were definitely some things I didn't like to see...or that I wanted to see that I didn't.
But the fact is, both of our losses came on the road (some people think no / few fans means road games are easy, I think not) and the Baltimore matchup week 1 was just a kick in the nads from the schedule makers. Let's see what happens in round 2 of both of those matchups.
The schedule is favorable to make a run at double digit wins and that's what they're going to do. One of the biggest hurdles they'll have to clear is keeping noise from the outside minimal, especially over the next few weeks. The dummies in the media and on social media are already getting loud.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Fun finish.
-----------------
VIDEO of DPJ game winning TD from Baker Mayfield
EDIT:
OK, THIS GUY did it better: VIDEO 
-----------------------------------------
Tattoo Baker@QB1TATT00
“This song makes every sports moment a little more special...”
-----------------
VIDEO of DPJ game winning TD from Baker MayfieldEDIT:
OK, THIS GUY did it better:
VIDEO -----------------------------------------
Tattoo Baker@QB1TATT00
“This song makes every sports moment a little more special...”
Last edited by a moderator:
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Going to be interesting in the next few weeks to see how Higgens, DPJ, and Bryant pick up the receiving slack.
amnesiac
beer is good
the “old” Browns would’ve tucked their tails and called it a day.
yes they got their asses kicked against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, but they have not quit against Dallas and Cincinnati on the road and have come out on top.
they have won their home games.
so far Mayfield has done what he has needed to do. there is room for improvement, but no reason to hang our heads and call it a season yet.
amnesiac
beer is good
I think we’ve already seen what they will do. can they keep it up? hopefully.
I think we will see addition by subtraction.
not hating on Beckham, but for whatever reason, he and Mayfield just never clicked.
beer 30
Footballguy
Obviously, have a little bit of faith. You of all people, have a little faith.Soulfly3 said:
Good win, rookie Baker decided to show up at an opportune time. Can't say enough about how the WR have stepped up. They had 3 healthy WR on their roster (one with a broken rib) to win that game. Great job by the offense.
Defense...well we knew it was going to be like this so don't really have much to say. Garrett & Ward almost single handedly kept them in the game as much as giving up 34 points is keeping them in the game. Watch this a few times to appreciate the play, don't recall ever seeing one like this before https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/1320554231686778880
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm not jumping to this conclusion just yet, but...I'm also not arguing it. It's going to be the talking point for an indefinite period of time after Beckham's season officially ends sometime today though. Should Baker play like he did yesterday while also dealing with a legitimate pass rush? Then, yeah, this is it. Ultimately, I think the Bungles lack of pressure yesterday had more to do with what we saw than Beckham's removal. How much more is my particular unanswered question. I think losing the threat of Beckham will be problematic against the league's better defenses, but that would only be a priority to address if I thought we were competing for a title this year. We aren't.amnesiac said:
Peak
Footballguy
If losing OBJ signals the return of Chubb, I'm okay with it. Stump said he's recovering well, and his timetable is mid-Nov. With LV and then a bye, it will feel like addition by subtraction when Chubb returns.
I'd like to see the FO start looking at possible moves, especially at Safety and Pass Rush. Everytime I see Sendejo's name, I shudder. He is always late to a play or missing a tackle. They need to bring in some more playmakers on D. Outside of Myles and Ward, there aren't many making plays on a consistent basis.
I'd like to see the FO start looking at possible moves, especially at Safety and Pass Rush. Everytime I see Sendejo's name, I shudder. He is always late to a play or missing a tackle. They need to bring in some more playmakers on D. Outside of Myles and Ward, there aren't many making plays on a consistent basis.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Outside of Myles no-one in the front-seven is proving any semblance of pass rush forcing us to blitz safeties and that exposes the secondary even more. 400 + yards? We couldn't stop em. Olivier Vernon is a shell of what he once was before we traded for him. Adrian Clayborn 'looked' ok early in the season before he got hurt and has done nothing since. Ogun started out looking good but got injured and he's done nothing and yesterday he sucked.
We really need pass rusher(S). Myles is getting TRIPLE TEAMED so someone 'should' get pressure.
People had the leap to conclusion mat out for Baker till halftime so everyone has to step away because this is going to keep going since OBJ may not be able to do anything the rest of the year, haven't heard how bad the injury is yet.
We saw how Njuko scored and can be useful after people wanted to deal him and if OBJ is out the rest of the year we will need him and all hands because we went from a position of strength to counting on a rookie who hadn't caught a pass all year to win the game. Great story but DPJ is no OBJ. Baker isn't going to face zero pressure the rest of the year. If/when we make the playoffs and if OBJ can make it back then it is 'likely' we may be beaten up and will need fresh legs. I'm not eager to deal anyone when we are on the verge of 'potentially' making the post season later this year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I agree, but unless they are part of the solution 2021 and beyond I'm not interested in them. If we ever get a game with both Joseph and Harrison healthy hopefully that means Sendejo's load gets scaled back. He's just one of many problems throughout this defense though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Of course. We live in an instant reaction hot take society. It isn't the right approach, but their being wrong isn't going to get them to change their wrongness.
And I agree with you about Chief. I saw the case for him being expendable before yesterday, but without Beckham we need talent that requires attention down field. He's really the only viable piece remaining in the arsenal. As a result I think we'll see more of the Njoku package against stronger defenses. As clunky as the relationship has been between Baker and Beckham defenses still at least took his down field threat seriously, but that is obviously no more.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
chubb is 1000x more important than OBJ. fact we are 5-2 without chubb honestly shocks me.
that being said, our run game desperately needs im back. hunt has done a great job filling in, but it's still day and night to me w chubb there. man just plows and jukes and powers and does exactly what your dream RB should do... NEED that 2 headed monster back so we can use hunt as a receiver more often
that being said, our run game desperately needs im back. hunt has done a great job filling in, but it's still day and night to me w chubb there. man just plows and jukes and powers and does exactly what your dream RB should do... NEED that 2 headed monster back so we can use hunt as a receiver more often
Last edited by a moderator:
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I like Hunt alot, but there is no comparison to Chubb. Awesome tandem for sure though.
Problem with Sendejo is he doesn't even deserve to be rostered let alone get playing time. Sucks we lost Delpit and have had issues getting Harrison and Joseph on the field together, but still think we deserve better than Sendejo and what he's brought to the table.
It still literally boggles my mind that we've had several coaches and GMs bury Higgins. Please tell me Hodge isn't coming back this week and Higgins will be inactive again. What a nightmare.
Problem with Sendejo is he doesn't even deserve to be rostered let alone get playing time. Sucks we lost Delpit and have had issues getting Harrison and Joseph on the field together, but still think we deserve better than Sendejo and what he's brought to the table.
It still literally boggles my mind that we've had several coaches and GMs bury Higgins. Please tell me Hodge isn't coming back this week and Higgins will be inactive again. What a nightmare.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
If they had thoughts of trading Njoku, they should be gone now with Beckham out
beer 30
Footballguy
Personally I think Hunt has been hurt since about three games ago, between the hamstring he had earlier and ribs he's playing hurt and gutting it out.
Sendejo was not supposed to be anything more than a spell player, giving guys a breather when needed. Injuries put him into the starting lineup unfortunately. Think there are options out there in FA that we can bring in and instantly upgrade that position to at least expected as opposed to turrible.
All reports from Stefanski yesterday said Hodge will be active this week. That will give us 4 healthy (sorta) WR's. Think there will be plenty of snaps to go around.
MAC_32
Footballguy
to the bolded.
to the underlined.Unfortunately, if Sendejo's getting replaced in the next week then it's probably via trade. The guys on the street either have baggage or are the same guy as Sendejo only with a different name on the jersey. A guy like him can be masked with strong enough LB play, but this defense was intentionally built thin at that position then also experienced injury there.
beer 30
Footballguy
You telling me Eric Reid (my pick) or Earl Thomas isn't an instant upgrade over Sendejo Clark? C'mon man
Unfortunately, if Sendejo's getting replaced in the next week then it's probably via trade. The guys on the street either have baggage or are the same guy as Sendejo only with a different name on the jersey. A guy like him can be masked with strong enough LB play, but this defense was intentionally built thin at that position then also experienced injury there.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Concerning the latter, I think you missed a key word in my post - 'baggage.' I said it before and Sendejo continuing to suck doesn't change it. The culture of this team is not in a place to consider a toxin like him. Hard pass.
I'd be receptive to Reid though.
