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From Peter King's MMQB:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
That...was.... A W E S O M E !!!!
Great tailgate. Better game. Perfect day.
Great tailgate. Better game. Perfect day.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
As a NYC area Browns backer, this Jets game is huge for me. Let's hope we keep it going.As much as I have piled on Brian Daboll since he came aboard, he called the two best games I have seen since '99 the last two. Let's hope he outsmarts Rex like he did Gregg Williams and Belichick. And Colt McCoy doesn't look out of place at all. It's nice to have an accurate and cerebral QB out there for once. And the fact that there also is some athleticism is a bonus.That...was.... A W E S O M E !!!!Great tailgate. Better game. Perfect day.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
:(As a NYC area Browns backer, this Jets game is huge for me. Let's hope we keep it going.As much as I have piled on Brian Daboll since he came aboard, he called the two best games I have seen since '99 the last two. Let's hope he outsmarts Rex like he did Gregg Williams and Belichick. And Colt McCoy doesn't look out of place at all. It's nice to have an accurate and cerebral QB out there for once. And the fact that there also is some athleticism is a bonus.That...was.... A W E S O M E !!!!Great tailgate. Better game. Perfect day.
can't wait for next week already!that block by Cribbs on the McCoy TD run was sick!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Congrats on pounding the Patriots! Always love seeing Belichik lose.
I hope you win the next 7 games on your schedule (then lose week 17
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I hope you win the next 7 games on your schedule (then lose week 17
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DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Thanks man. A Steelers fan here at work is now upset because this is the second week in a row they are forced to deal with a team that we just dismantled. New England is gonna beCongrats on pounding the Patriots! Always love seeing Belichik lose.I hope you win the next 7 games on your schedule (then lose week 17
next week when they play the Steelers. Have fun dealing with that. Although honestly, the team they have after Brady isn't scaring me too much.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Congrats Browns, way to go. Great game and Hillis won my game single handedly...
But I hope this isn't a repeat of the previous 2 weeks...
Browns go in and upset the Saints --> Saints get pissed --> Steelers come to town the next week --> get caught in a hornets nest --> there is much lamentation in Pittsburgh-land.
Browns beat Pats --> Pats get pissed --> Steelers play them the next week --> ??? --> ???
But I hope this isn't a repeat of the previous 2 weeks...
Browns go in and upset the Saints --> Saints get pissed --> Steelers come to town the next week --> get caught in a hornets nest --> there is much lamentation in Pittsburgh-land.
Browns beat Pats --> Pats get pissed --> Steelers play them the next week --> ??? --> ???
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Hillis looks great, and I would have thought Heckert and Holmgren would have stolen a QB via trade before a RB. This guy is punishing defenses the way that the Giants are punishing QBs.The only thing that is bothering me are the fumbles. I hope that doesn't become a problem. And that's the same way my Steelers coworker here mentioned it. We stirred up the hornet's nest for them to deal with.Congrats Browns, way to go. Great game and Hillis won my game single handedly...But I hope this isn't a repeat of the previous 2 weeks...Browns go in and upset the Saints --> Saints get pissed --> Steelers come to town the next week --> get caught in a hornets nest --> there is much lamentation in Pittsburgh-land.Browns beat Pats --> Pats get pissed --> Steelers play them the next week --> ??? --> ???
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Honestly...you guys deserve it.
Soak it up.
If the Browns win next week I will officially stop referring to your team as "Clowns" for a full year.
GO BROWNS!
Soak it up.
If the Browns win next week I will officially stop referring to your team as "Clowns" for a full year.
GO BROWNS!
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
From Cleveland.com:
Cleveland Browns LB Marcus Benard collapses in locker room
BEREA -- Browns linebacker Marcus Benard collapsed to the floor in the locker room and trainers rushed to tend to him.
Benard was sitting on a chair in front of his locker and talking on a cellphone when he rolled to the ground. Teammates were unsure what happened. After a few seconds, linebacker Matt Roth rushed to the trainer's room to get help. Benard never lost consciousness lying on the ground.
The incident occurred just before players took the field for practice with media finishing up interviews.
The Browns had no immediate update.
Scary stuff, praying he's okay.
Cleveland Browns LB Marcus Benard collapses in locker room
BEREA -- Browns linebacker Marcus Benard collapsed to the floor in the locker room and trainers rushed to tend to him.
Benard was sitting on a chair in front of his locker and talking on a cellphone when he rolled to the ground. Teammates were unsure what happened. After a few seconds, linebacker Matt Roth rushed to the trainer's room to get help. Benard never lost consciousness lying on the ground.
The incident occurred just before players took the field for practice with media finishing up interviews.
The Browns had no immediate update.
Scary stuff, praying he's okay.
Ralph's Plantation
Footballguy
Tue, Nov 9
WR Josh Cribbs has moved ahead of Brian Robiskie in the starting lineup. Cribbs is still not a polished receiver, but he is getting better -- evidence his diving third-down catch in the fourth quarter. Also, his blocking has been instrumental in helping the running game.
(Yahoo! Sports)
Cribbs seems to have been a tease for so long, but does the above make him a flex starter in a deep PPR redraft league where return yards are counted more than the Yahoo default?
After this week, he faces JAC, CAR, MIA, BUF & CIN.
WR Josh Cribbs has moved ahead of Brian Robiskie in the starting lineup. Cribbs is still not a polished receiver, but he is getting better -- evidence his diving third-down catch in the fourth quarter. Also, his blocking has been instrumental in helping the running game.
(Yahoo! Sports)
Cribbs seems to have been a tease for so long, but does the above make him a flex starter in a deep PPR redraft league where return yards are counted more than the Yahoo default?
After this week, he faces JAC, CAR, MIA, BUF & CIN.
the spanker
Footballguy
Hope this question is appropriate here, if not just ignore. Are the Browns D an every week starter unit going forward? I know they are good against the run but how do they rank against the pass? How are they rushing the passer?
I also haven't heard Cribbs lighting it up on special teams. Is it because he's so involved in the offense now?
I also haven't heard Cribbs lighting it up on special teams. Is it because he's so involved in the offense now?
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
I agree. If they can get a Win today, the schedule gets pretty soft until week 16 and 17. The playoffs probably aren't very realistic but it would be nice to have a chance to slide in the back door.This game today may make or break our season, I'm optimistic.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Win, and we're in the race.Lose, and we're certainly done. 10-6 may not qualify for the playoffs and we'd have to win out to do that.[understatement]Big 2nd half ahead.[/understatement]I agree. If they can get a Win today, the schedule gets pretty soft until week 16 and 17. The playoffs probably aren't very realistic but it would be nice to have a chance to slide in the back door.This game today may make or break our season, I'm optimistic.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation. 
I don't need to see anymore. I think we finally found our quarterback.Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Colt McCoy grew up today. There was never even a doubt that we would tie it up, and if I felt that, it has to be resonating with the team. Love the confidence!I don't need to see anymore. I think we finally found our quarterback.Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation.
We just desperately need some playmakers now, especially on offense.Colt McCoy grew up today. There was never even a doubt that we would tie it up, and if I felt that, it has to be resonating with the team. Love the confidence!I don't need to see anymore. I think we finally found our quarterback.Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation.
Peak
Footballguy
A solid WR and Cleveland wins that game yesterday. It says alot about the WR core when you have the "#1 WR" in MoMass sitting on the sidelines while Colt throws to Watson and Hillis when the game is on the line.
All in all, a great performance yesterday! The Browns may have lost, but they made it exciting for the entire game. I don't remember the last time I got up screaming and yelling because of a positive performance. Win or lose, at least it will be competitive. This off-season should be about finding those playmakers that fit the scheme and fill the holes.
All in all, a great performance yesterday! The Browns may have lost, but they made it exciting for the entire game. I don't remember the last time I got up screaming and yelling because of a positive performance. Win or lose, at least it will be competitive. This off-season should be about finding those playmakers that fit the scheme and fill the holes.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
pass rush specialist wouldn't hurt eitherWe just desperately need some playmakers now, especially on offense.Colt McCoy grew up today. There was never even a doubt that we would tie it up, and if I felt that, it has to be resonating with the team. Love the confidence!I don't need to see anymore. I think we finally found our quarterback.Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Losing Cribbs and Fujita certainly didn't help.A solid WR and Cleveland wins that game yesterday. It says alot about the WR core when you have the "#1 WR" in MoMass sitting on the sidelines while Colt throws to Watson and Hillis when the game is on the line.All in all, a great performance yesterday! The Browns may have lost, but they made it exciting for the entire game. I don't remember the last time I got up screaming and yelling because of a positive performance. Win or lose, at least it will be competitive. This off-season should be about finding those playmakers that fit the scheme and fill the holes.
Peak
Footballguy
Or Brown. Wright is looking worse each week. More reason to slide Haden in as the starter with Brown and put Wright at nickel.Losing Cribbs and Fujita certainly didn't help.A solid WR and Cleveland wins that game yesterday. It says alot about the WR core when you have the "#1 WR" in MoMass sitting on the sidelines while Colt throws to Watson and Hillis when the game is on the line.All in all, a great performance yesterday! The Browns may have lost, but they made it exciting for the entire game. I don't remember the last time I got up screaming and yelling because of a positive performance. Win or lose, at least it will be competitive. This off-season should be about finding those playmakers that fit the scheme and fill the holes.
Absolutely. Again, absolutely disgusting pass rush. And when they did get to him, they made Sanchez look like Houdini. C'mon, wrap up and sack his ###. My God.pass rush specialist wouldn't hurt eitherWe just desperately need some playmakers now, especially on offense.Colt McCoy grew up today. There was never even a doubt that we would tie it up, and if I felt that, it has to be resonating with the team. Love the confidence!I don't need to see anymore. I think we finally found our quarterback.Had their chances but it is what it is. Another nice effort. Great job by McCoy to tie it up in regulation.
By the way, anyone listen to Reghi on WKNR after the game? He was going off that Mangini should have went for 2 after the game-tying touchdown and not sent the game to overtime. He said that the advantage was with the Jets in OT.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
I don't agree with that at all. If Stuckey doesn't fumble, they are driving for the win, just like they did at the end of regulation. Reghi is usually pretty level-headed, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!
I don't agree with that at all. If Stuckey doesn't fumble, they are driving for the win, just like they did at the end of regulation. Reghi is usually pretty level-headed, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Yeah I heard him and disagreed also. You play for overtime when you're at home.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
The thought of going for two honestly crossed my mind. I am a big fan of capitalizing on a winded defense like that after a two minute drill. Would I crucify Mangini over it? No.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Me either. Again, not having Cribbs at that point probably made the decision to kick the XP easier.
I agree. I would have been fine with it, too. However, Reghi was getting pretty annoying going off about it. He gets extremely preachy sometimes for pretty dumb things.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Stuckey has peanuts for a brain. He could have stretched out and got a first down two different times during the game. One led to a punt, the other, Hillis bailed him out on the next play. Then in OT, instead of getting down or going out of bounds, he decides to become a ballerina and fumbles the game away.If Stuckey gets down or goes out of bounds there, Browns win. Run Hillis 3 times and let Dawson clinch it.
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GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I agree. Priority #1 for Holmgren should be to significantly upgrade the WR corp (was mentioned above, but I had to reduce the quotes... sorry). I don't care how they do it; just get it done.
I know V-Jax's had a few DUI's, but he's not an Ocho Cinco/R Moss/ TO type diva that destroys a locker room. By all accounts, his teammates and coaches respect him. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if the Browns threw V-Jax an offer. If Holmgren can manage to find a pass rushing specialist as well, then awesome.Off-season Priorities IMO:1.) Find a WR.... or should I say WRs. It's about time to cut bait with Robiskie. Not like Mass is tearing it up either.2.) Find a pass rush. Maybe they'll get lucky and one of those DEs who fits as a 3/4 LB will fall to them in the draft. 3.) NT and CB. S Rogers and S Brown aren't going to be around forever, and E Wright is terrible. 4.) Hopefully Hardesty comes back and stays healthy, but if not, they need to find a competent #2 RB. Doesn't have to be anybody special, just competent.
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Anyone listen to Mike and Mike this morning? I typically enjoy the show, but the homerism from Greenberg about the Jets has been more annoying than normal. I think it is because they are winning. But he keeps going on and on about how the Browns game was Sanchez's best game as a pro.
Really??!
If that's the case, that isn't saying much. He was intercepted once, but it should have been THREE times. And he SHOULD HAVE BEEN sacked multiple times.
I know. Woulda coulda shoulda, but I just don't see it yet with Sanchez.
Really??!
If that's the case, that isn't saying much. He was intercepted once, but it should have been THREE times. And he SHOULD HAVE BEEN sacked multiple times.
I know. Woulda coulda shoulda, but I just don't see it yet with Sanchez.
amnesiac
beer is good
1. yes.2. yes. doubtful, those guys are at a premium in the league right now with more and more teams moving to the 3-4.3. Ahtyba Rubin has been the starting NT all season. he's the reason the run defense has been so much better. yes, they need corners.4. i doubt Hardesty is ever going to meaningfully contribute to this team.I agree. Priority #1 for Holmgren should be to significantly upgrade the WR corp (was mentioned above, but I had to reduce the quotes... sorry). I don't care how they do it; just get it done.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
I refuse to listen to that show because of Mike Greenberg. Guy's a total doosh.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
To the WR discussion:
Robiskie has been a disappointment, yes. Massaquoi has shown flashes but we have never consistently made him or any other WR a threat as it seems the WRs have been phased out of the game plans. Whether that is due to lack of talent at the position or game planning due to QB shuffling is unknown to me.
That said- I'd like to see what Carlton Mitchell has. I know he's raw and has had the reputation of having the dropsies in practice, but what are we losing out on by scratching Robiskie for a week and sending Mitchell deep? We can at least have him available for fade routes inside the 20.
I think finding a young, talented WR is easier than we think. Look at Denver's passing game this year and their castoff WRs.
Robiskie has been a disappointment, yes. Massaquoi has shown flashes but we have never consistently made him or any other WR a threat as it seems the WRs have been phased out of the game plans. Whether that is due to lack of talent at the position or game planning due to QB shuffling is unknown to me.
That said- I'd like to see what Carlton Mitchell has. I know he's raw and has had the reputation of having the dropsies in practice, but what are we losing out on by scratching Robiskie for a week and sending Mitchell deep? We can at least have him available for fade routes inside the 20.
I think finding a young, talented WR is easier than we think. Look at Denver's passing game this year and their castoff WRs.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
A nice team you guys have there. Regardless of reord, I think there must be more hope than ever sine the team rejoined the league. I know Mangini gets a lot of heat in general from fans outside of the teams he has coached, but he always seems to make games competitive. I was one of the Jets fans that was sad to see him go. I like Ryan better than Mangini, but we could have easily had a downgrade in coaching when that move was made.
I like the idea of a better WR, but just not sure you guys are going to see it for a while. Mangini seems to dedicate his efforts in the running game (Thomas Jones, Hillis, Leon Washington, James Davis, Hardesty, etc.) from a drafting perspective and while he did use some picks on MoMass and Robiskie, I would gander that only solidifies his view that building a running game is more efficient than trying to pick the right WRs.
With all that said, it is not his team, and Holgrem is certainly not adverse to drafting WR talents and also trading for them (Branch). Either way, I think you guys are in a nice spot right now.
I like the idea of a better WR, but just not sure you guys are going to see it for a while. Mangini seems to dedicate his efforts in the running game (Thomas Jones, Hillis, Leon Washington, James Davis, Hardesty, etc.) from a drafting perspective and while he did use some picks on MoMass and Robiskie, I would gander that only solidifies his view that building a running game is more efficient than trying to pick the right WRs.
With all that said, it is not his team, and Holgrem is certainly not adverse to drafting WR talents and also trading for them (Branch). Either way, I think you guys are in a nice spot right now.
Bingo. Colt McCoy wasn't Mangini's preference either in the draft. I think if Holmgren wants a big-time receiver, we're getting one.
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DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Regardless, I'm confident in Mangini's coaching of whatever product Heckgren give him.
These guys play hard and physical on a weekly basis.
These guys play hard and physical on a weekly basis.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I certainly don't think he sucks, but I do think he's been overrated from day 1. Alot of QBs can win football games with that Jets team. He had a good game Sunday...don't see enough Jets games to know if it was his best. McCoy seemed to prove alot more than Sanchez.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
BTW, I don't think anyone mentioned it but Mangini was on with Mike Francesa on WFAN (big time sports radio station in the NYC area) and mentioned that when he met with Holmgren initially, he told Holmgren something to the effect of, "These are my core fundamentals and beliefs...(didn't list them but we can figure them out)...If you don't agree with any of this, you can release me." It gave me the impression that he sold Holmgren on his plan and commanded respect.
Being in this area, I have seen people pile up on Mangini but I am really liking the coach he's becoming and the values he's instilling in this team.
Now if he pulls Colt from the lineup, all bets are off.
Being in this area, I have seen people pile up on Mangini but I am really liking the coach he's becoming and the values he's instilling in this team.
Now if he pulls Colt from the lineup, all bets are off.
Reaper
Footballguy
ALWAYS a Mangini fan....I've said it numerous times but, I think he has a great eye for talent - mostly focusing in on FOOTBALL PLAYERS and guys who LOVE the game. That's his core belief that he wants to build a team around.. Real Football players...He basically built the Jets team we have now. Rex does a good job of firing them up a little more IMO.Mangini's biggest problem has been communicating either with players or the media. But, that's a learned trait - see Bellichik.When he left I saw most Jets player praising him, Kris Jenkins was pretty upset about it. Some players were quoted as saying his game plans and coaching were great but, he did lack some when it came to implementing that to the field - also a learned trait - AT LEAST HE KNOWS THE GAME. unlike Clown Edwards.I had to laugh this week when one NY Radio guy said he loved Herm and hated Mangini - Herm was a Clown, a great man, but a coaching clown. Mangini was and worked at being a COACH for years - Herm was a marginal aloof player who fell into coaching for whatever reason.Mangini suffered in NY because he never was able to get the DC he wanted and had a QB carousel and then was tied to Favre....I'll take Rex over mangini for sure but, mangini deserves to be in this league for a long time.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
The thing I respect about Mangini is that he knows the game is won and lost in the trenches. The easy thing would have been to take Sanchez last year, and then Maclin before they traded down again, but he took Mack. Mangini got some heat a little bit for going with D'Brick and Mangold in the first round of the 2006 draft, but look at what it did for the running game. That was Mangini. Now, Mack is improving and with the improved line, Peyton Hillis can run on anyone now regardless of matchup. That fact gives us a cushion to bring McCoy up slowly without expecting him to throw 40 attempts each game to win.
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Reaper
Footballguy
I Agree... BUT, he really didn't take much heat at all for that 2006 Jets draft because it basically unfolded for him as it did.. D'Brickashaw grew up 5 minutes from the Jets practice facility at the time and has a Street named after him.. Brick is and always was a 100% pure GOOD GUY and FOOTBALL PLAYER.... I was hellbent on Super Mario that draft (see avatar)..But, with him and Bush gone, even Young, Brick was the pick.. I also Loved Ngata - but, taking Brick with the 1 pick, no one can touch him on, maybe some people wanted Leinart but, thank god they didn't do that... And the Mangold pick was easy - the Jets let go of Mawae right before the draft and Mangini pretty much said he knew the replacement already....
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
No, D'Brick was a great pick but the heat came from people frowning on selecting two O Lineman in the first round, something that hadn't happened in years. Not the players themselves.
