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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Nice. Someone who will be serviceable in the regular season while we work through injuries for someone who was going to get cut very soon at a position of extreme depth.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Hey Browns fans,
Moffitt is certainly serviceable. I think you're front office made a good trade to fill a need here. You're probably asking yourself, what's wrong with Moffitt that caused Seattle to give up on him? From my perception the "class clown" comment above is true, but there's more here. Seattle's offensive line coach Tom Cable likes that nasty quality in this players. I don't think Moffitt has that quality. He'll be assignment correct, but he's not the guy you're going to run behind to get that one yard at the goal line in the fourth quarter.
I posted in this thread about a year ago saying I was rooting for the Browns. I feel bad for your fan base. I think the NFL would be a better league with a competitive Cleveland franchise and its depressing watching them struggle year after year. I feel your pain. I watched my Seahawks go 21 years without a playoff win. Best of luck to you this season.
Moffitt is certainly serviceable. I think you're front office made a good trade to fill a need here. You're probably asking yourself, what's wrong with Moffitt that caused Seattle to give up on him? From my perception the "class clown" comment above is true, but there's more here. Seattle's offensive line coach Tom Cable likes that nasty quality in this players. I don't think Moffitt has that quality. He'll be assignment correct, but he's not the guy you're going to run behind to get that one yard at the goal line in the fourth quarter.
I posted in this thread about a year ago saying I was rooting for the Browns. I feel bad for your fan base. I think the NFL would be a better league with a competitive Cleveland franchise and its depressing watching them struggle year after year. I feel your pain. I watched my Seahawks go 21 years without a playoff win. Best of luck to you this season.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Good stuff Hoop. 
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Thanks and good luck to you also. We've got some injuries and no depth...Moffitt will get a look here to see if he can be a stop gap and then maybe a decent reserve. Maybe Sanford catches on the back end of your roster, I'm not sure about your DL depth but know there are injuries/suspension looming. We don't have alot of info on Sanford because he rarely played when games mattered. If makes it on, win-win trade.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Trade nullified.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/cleveland_browns_void_trade_fo.html
Cleveland Browns void trade for Seattle Seahawks guard John Moffitt because of health concerns
BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns voided their trade with Seattle for guard John Moffitt today because of health concerns, a league source said.
Hours after the trade was voided, the Seahawks traded Moffitt to the Broncos for defensive tackle Sealver Siliga.
It means the Browns retain the rights to defensive lineman Brian Sanford, who had been shipped to the Seahawks in the trade for Moffitt.
Moffitt talked to the media in the locker room before practice, and then pulled on his shells and jersey and headed out to the practice field, helmet in hand. But before he even began warming up, coach Rob Chudzinski escorted him back to the locker room and was overheard telling him they would take care of it upstairs.
Moffitt, a third-round pick of the Seahawks in 2011 out of Wisconsin, was set to compete with rookie Garrett Gilkey for the starting right guard job in the absence of injured players Shawn Lauvao and Jason Pinkston.
For now, Gilkey is back as the frontrunner for the job.
Gilkey said he was not upset about the trade for Moffitt when he learned of it.
“No over-reaction,'' he said. "You need to come in and out forth our best effort and work as hard as you can. If anything, it’s more motivation to keep getting better and refine my technique and my practice out on the field.”
Sanford (6-2, 280) was originally signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent out of Temple in 2010. He's appeared in six games for the Browns, including one last season. He spent the first seven weeks of last season on the practice squad and appeared in one game before placed on injured reserve with a knee injury.
Sanford has been a third-string end this preseason.
Moffitt was hoping for a fresh start with the Browns.
“I was a little shocked,'' he said of the trade before learning it had been nullfied. “I didn't see it coming, but then I was excited. I thought I had been playing very good football. I think I'm in the best football shape I've been in. I'm excited to be here, where I think it's a better opportunity.''
Moffitt made news off the field in Seattle. He pleaded guilty in June to disorderly conduct in relation to three incidents in Seattle in 2012 that included urinating in public, the Seattle Times reported. Moffitt paid a fine of $1,407 and received a suspended sentence of 24 months in jail.
“The off-the-field things, that happened a long time ago. It happened after my rookie year,'' he said. "Unfortunately, all the court appearances were settled three months ago. So, it was something that happened right off the bat, that I put behind me a long time ago.
“As far as Cleveland, I do look at it as across the board, not just off the field things, as a fresh start.''
While he was on injured reserve as a rookie, Moffitt was suspended four games for testing positive for Adderall, a performance-enhancing drug banned by the NFL. He served the suspension while on injured reserve and lost four game checks. Moffitt later told the Seattle Times he was unaware Adderall was banned. “With me, it was just something that I didn't realize," Moffitt said. "It was a total mistake.”
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/cleveland_browns_void_trade_fo.html
Cleveland Browns void trade for Seattle Seahawks guard John Moffitt because of health concerns
BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns voided their trade with Seattle for guard John Moffitt today because of health concerns, a league source said.
Hours after the trade was voided, the Seahawks traded Moffitt to the Broncos for defensive tackle Sealver Siliga.
It means the Browns retain the rights to defensive lineman Brian Sanford, who had been shipped to the Seahawks in the trade for Moffitt.
Moffitt talked to the media in the locker room before practice, and then pulled on his shells and jersey and headed out to the practice field, helmet in hand. But before he even began warming up, coach Rob Chudzinski escorted him back to the locker room and was overheard telling him they would take care of it upstairs.
Moffitt, a third-round pick of the Seahawks in 2011 out of Wisconsin, was set to compete with rookie Garrett Gilkey for the starting right guard job in the absence of injured players Shawn Lauvao and Jason Pinkston.
For now, Gilkey is back as the frontrunner for the job.
Gilkey said he was not upset about the trade for Moffitt when he learned of it.
“No over-reaction,'' he said. "You need to come in and out forth our best effort and work as hard as you can. If anything, it’s more motivation to keep getting better and refine my technique and my practice out on the field.”
Sanford (6-2, 280) was originally signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent out of Temple in 2010. He's appeared in six games for the Browns, including one last season. He spent the first seven weeks of last season on the practice squad and appeared in one game before placed on injured reserve with a knee injury.
Sanford has been a third-string end this preseason.
Moffitt was hoping for a fresh start with the Browns.
“I was a little shocked,'' he said of the trade before learning it had been nullfied. “I didn't see it coming, but then I was excited. I thought I had been playing very good football. I think I'm in the best football shape I've been in. I'm excited to be here, where I think it's a better opportunity.''
Moffitt made news off the field in Seattle. He pleaded guilty in June to disorderly conduct in relation to three incidents in Seattle in 2012 that included urinating in public, the Seattle Times reported. Moffitt paid a fine of $1,407 and received a suspended sentence of 24 months in jail.
“The off-the-field things, that happened a long time ago. It happened after my rookie year,'' he said. "Unfortunately, all the court appearances were settled three months ago. So, it was something that happened right off the bat, that I put behind me a long time ago.
“As far as Cleveland, I do look at it as across the board, not just off the field things, as a fresh start.''
While he was on injured reserve as a rookie, Moffitt was suspended four games for testing positive for Adderall, a performance-enhancing drug banned by the NFL. He served the suspension while on injured reserve and lost four game checks. Moffitt later told the Seattle Times he was unaware Adderall was banned. “With me, it was just something that I didn't realize," Moffitt said. "It was a total mistake.”
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So what happened to the Browns last night?
Seemed like a lot of progress was being made and then... 3rd PS game and judging by the box score it looked like the old verse, same as the first.
Seemed like a lot of progress was being made and then... 3rd PS game and judging by the box score it looked like the old verse, same as the first.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Many penalties, poor QB play, poor WR seperation and dropped balls, first turnovers of the preseason, defense hadn't seen some formations and were caught flat footed, still working out kinks in the secondary and had some young guys who were out of position/busted coverages, noticeable fall-off in experience and athleticism when second string inside linebackers went on the field, so lots of justified criticism goes to the Browns but give credit to, Indianapolis' Andrew Luck, his receivers, and the Colts defense.
Luck was under a lot of pressure but he is a huge guy and can run and he made plays with his wheels. He's also really-really good.
The Indy WRs were on-fire last night. DHB may be better than what he showed in Oakland but then again, he didn't have Andrew Luck in Oakland.
The Colt defense can apply heat and quite frankly Browns QB Brandon Weeden is poor when he's under pressure, This start after the first two preseason games says it all:
Cleveland Browns:
Brandon Weeden has an NFL QB Rating of 150.9 when not under pressure this preseason, and an NFL QB Rating of 39.6 when under pressure.
And has been pointed out far too many times, Weeden stares down receivers but whereas Andrew Luck was anticipating breaks by his wideouts and getting rid of the ball early, Weeden would hold and stare until his WRs made breaks and rarely anticipates throws and/or THROWS OPEN his recievers. He's not Charlie Frye-bad in that reguard because he can stroke the pill into tight corners and make throws look easy that are really difficult but he will occasionally throw a WTF-type of highly innacurate throw when a reciever is wide open. He did that last year and we saw that yesterday.
Luck was a test for the defense and they failed miserably. A big athletic/mobile QB with his throwing skills just ate them up.
Weeden faced a secondary that took seperation away from his receivers and he couldn't throw them open/make things happen and he can't make teams pay with his legs like Luck can.
T-Rich looked good, he'll be fine.
The O-line has a hole at RG till Lavaua and Pinkston return.
The WRs and TE are simply going to have to catch and the ball.
The offense can't afford to lose the turnover game and they simply can't kill themselves with that many penalties.
Basically a horrible performance, you can throw at a mistake board and hit a bullseye every toss if you wanted to pick on any aspect of Cleveland's porr effort from last night..
MAC_32
Footballguy
The Browns have had problems for years following up strong performances with another one, Saturday was just another notch on the belt. I went in depth about my issues re Weeden in his thread and it's the same problems I've been repeating for a year and a half - plays poorly under pressure, stares down WR's, inaccurate - especially when needing to reset his feet or move to his 2nd or 3rd option, can't read the field, and can't throw left. I didn't have a huge problem with the defense, that's just today's NFL. This team is designed to beat average or worse offenses, but the top 10-12 QB's in the league are going to carve this unit up. It will take 24-30+ point performances to beat a team like Indy and it's on Weeden to make that happen. When the guys around him are struggling he has to step up, like good QB's do, he caved Saturday.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Just saw this to put the above into context.
Seems Weeden isn't the only QB who struggles while under durress.
From PFF game ReFo (ReFocus) per CLE - IND tilt.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/26/refo-cle-ind-preseason-wk-3/
Game Notes
- Andrew Luck when facing no pressure: 13-of-17, two touchdowns, and a 140.3 passer rating. When pressured: 3-of-8, a pick, a sack, and a rating of 6.3.
MAC_32
Footballguy
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Yea, I've got to agree that 3rd game was bad all around. And just when I was about to fool myself into thinking we might be competitive this year... Hope they find a way to prove me wrong. In Chud we trust...
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Cleveland cut Graham and waive Bogatay?
Also JMJ being waived is a little surprising.
Also JMJ being waived is a little surprising.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I think they don't expect either kicker, or at least both, to latch on anywhere and want to see if anything comes available. Therefore, why keep either kicker at this point? Seems to make sense to me.
I figured JMJ was on the bubble because I was confident in these LB's making team:
DQ
Groves
Mingo
Kruger
Sheard
Robertson
Fort
Carder (especially by the end of the preseason)
Not sure about Hazel and Martin though...are they solid special teams players and/or did they have solid camps? One of them may be gone soon. You have to figure we'll shore up certain spots on the roster over the next few days by other teams cuts (WR - we only have 4 active, FB, secondary).
Bobcat10
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
most of these guys weren't drafted by the new regime?Slaughter was
Biabreakable
Footballguy
JMJ could likely play for another team no?
I am surprised by this. Brown's defense looking very nice with Horton calling the shots. Maybe more so if they can afford to let JMJ walk. Is he hurt or something?
I am surprised by this. Brown's defense looking very nice with Horton calling the shots. Maybe more so if they can afford to let JMJ walk. Is he hurt or something?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
This kid seems interesting.
Looks like he can handle kickoff returns so we may see him soon.
Pro Football Focus@PFF1 Sep
New Browns running back Bobby Rainey was our highest graded cut RB. Forced 11 missed tackles on 26 preseason touches https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/01/cut-tracker-running-backs/ …
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=21671
Rainey: A 5-8, 212-pound running back, he was in his second training camp with the Ravens after being signed in 2012 from Western Kentucky. He led the Ravens in rushing in preseason with 23 carries for 89 yards and two touchdowns. Rainey also is a candidate to return kicks.
Looks like he can handle kickoff returns so we may see him soon.
Pro Football Focus@PFF1 Sep
New Browns running back Bobby Rainey was our highest graded cut RB. Forced 11 missed tackles on 26 preseason touches https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/01/cut-tracker-running-backs/ …
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=21671
Rainey: A 5-8, 212-pound running back, he was in his second training camp with the Ravens after being signed in 2012 from Western Kentucky. He led the Ravens in rushing in preseason with 23 carries for 89 yards and two touchdowns. Rainey also is a candidate to return kicks.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Question for Browns homers - does Haden typically cover #1 WR, or stick to a side? Trying to figure out if he's going to be blanketing Mike Wallace on Sunday. How's the rest of the secondary this year?
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
He used to just stay on one side. Don't know if that will be the case this year. I wouldn't think he will follow Wallace because he is the type of WR that Skrine can handle better than the big physical guys.
Overall their secondary is: unproven.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
from your lips to god's ears...MAC_32 said:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Miami WR Mike Wallace putting up bulletin board material for Browns CB Joe Haden.
Um, from what I recall, Joe has basically done pretty decent against Wallace but Mike is basically calling him out so this will be a fun angle to follow during the game.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-mike-wallace-is-excited-about-his-showdown-with-joe-haden-20130904,0,1350200.story
Um, from what I recall, Joe has basically done pretty decent against Wallace but Mike is basically calling him out so this will be a fun angle to follow during the game.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-mike-wallace-is-excited-about-his-showdown-with-joe-haden-20130904,0,1350200.story
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Lauvao and Mingo are out.
Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.
So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.
RevDawg
Footballguy
Are you not worried about Rubin?
Lauvao and Mingo are out.
Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.
So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.
MAC_32
Footballguy
not really, and if there is one place we have the depth to cover an injury its the d line.Are you not worried about Rubin?
Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.
So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.
RevDawg
Footballguy
Thank you. I will return to my previous optimism ... which all rides on how Weeden plays.MAC_32 said:not really, and if there is one place we have the depth to cover an injury its the d line.RevDawg said:Are you not worried about Rubin?
Skrine and Bryant have been limited, probably will play.
So we're probably only down a RG and a situation pass rusher, which probably just means more Quentin Groves.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Good luck to you guys against the Sea Mammals! I think this game is very winnable.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
wow, that was bad. so much for the the pre-season optimisim...
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Sorry Browns fans, I know your pain all too well. You've been Norv'd.It's gonna be another longseason.
daveR
Footballguy
Well, at least we have new coaches and systems (again).
2012 -- suspect QB ... 2013 -- suspect QB
2012 -- poor OGs ... 2013 -- poor OGs
2012 -- suspect WRs ... 2013 suspect WRs
2012 -- zero RB depth ... 2013 zero RB depth
2012 -- Good defensive front 7 ... 2013 better defensive front 7
2012 -- Holes in the secondary ... 2013 Holes in the secondary
2012 -- suspect QB ... 2013 -- suspect QB
2012 -- poor OGs ... 2013 -- poor OGs
2012 -- suspect WRs ... 2013 suspect WRs
2012 -- zero RB depth ... 2013 zero RB depth
2012 -- Good defensive front 7 ... 2013 better defensive front 7
2012 -- Holes in the secondary ... 2013 Holes in the secondary
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Weeden is very good at staring down who he is going to throw to.
Unfortuntaely, that's not good for an NFL QB.
He did make 1 great throw for a TD.
Sigh.
Unfortuntaely, that's not good for an NFL QB.
He did make 1 great throw for a TD.
Sigh.
RevDawg
Footballguy
I don't understand why there weren't adjustments made to deal with pressure from the Fins. Miami adjusted to our rush and gave Tannehilll a lot more time in the second half. Why was no one helping Schwartz? Why didn't we run more screen plays? I thought our coaching staff was going to be better this year. Let me be clear. Weeden was not good. But this lost is not all on him.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm just going to repeat what I wrote after my draft day hangover subsided.
We never planned to win this year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The lack of half time adjustments was probably the one thing I did not expect yesterday that really pissed me off. Richardson's dance moves too.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Without a doubt the person I'm most disappointed in is Norv Turner. I really expected much better.
I'm also unhappy with the front office for not doing a better job of dealing with the guard issue and for not stocking the team with a real fullback.
I'm also unhappy with the front office for not doing a better job of dealing with the guard issue and for not stocking the team with a real fullback.
MAC_32
Footballguy
They tried to address the guard issue, but that dude from Seattle isn't healthy. We had the reinforcements to deal with one injury, but not two. Most teams don't have that kind of depth week 1. I'll bet they were hoping to have the rook ready in season, but now we may need him week 2. Cousins needs to be cut. He needed to be cut in the 3rd quarter.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.
The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.
Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.
After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.
I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!
Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!
The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.
Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.
After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.
I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!
Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Reminded me of last year's hail mary vs. Baltimore when he threw it over the end zone. Awareness...does not compute.Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.
The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.
Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.
After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.
I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!
Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!
RevDawg
Footballguy
Yup. I couldn't believe the weird shovel pass when he was scrambling around on that final 4th down play. Throw the ball at somebody. See if something miraculous happens.Reminded me of last year's hail mary vs. Baltimore when he threw it over the end zone. Awareness...does not compute.Gordon is a real big loss, glaring hole when he's not out there. Benjamin is a big play guy you can maybe draw up a few plays for. Bess is great in the slot, not much else. When Gordon returns, I think our WRs are at worst average as a unit.
The offensive line was horrible. It must improve. Simple enough.
Can we stop taking out every kickoff from the back of the end zone? Especially when it became very clear the Miami coverage team was better than our return team.
After the first drive, I'd say at least half of TRich's runs were completely telegraphed 1st and 10 plays from under center. I knew what the Browns were doing way too often, that's not good. Did they run any shotgun draws when the Dolphins were pinning their ears back going after Weeden? TRich only had 14 or 15 touches all game. I remember them setting up one screen yesterday, and it was a middle screen, and it was terribly executed. This is all unacceptable, especially after all I've heard about Chud and Norv utilizing a player like TRich.
I'm not making up excuses for Weeden, but he wasn't operating with a full deck and had way too much defensive pressure on him. He needs to be more accurate and quit staring down his first read. He is clumsy immobile, this is bad. I'm not sure he is cerebral enough to make up for that. He needs to make better decisions...like the last offensive play of the game, throw the damn ball up for grabs!
Only one game is what I keep telling myself...and we're tied for first place!
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
There's almost nothing in football that frustrates me more than QBs that won't throw the ball into traffic on 4th down or the last play of a half. Maybe guys who can't wait until they get to the endzone to start celebrating.RevDawg said:
