RUSF18
Footballguy
Just saw from Mortensen on Twitter that they owe him $10.5MM...3 years left on his deal.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
He gets a cool $9 million to stay home and water the flowers.
Sign me up as Browns HC; I'd like a piece of that action.
beer 302
Footballguy
I listened to it and the only thing I took away from it was "#### you Mr. Fan, we are accountable to no one". When Banner said he "disagreed with the premise" that Cleveland wasn't very active in the FA market and then went on to say the great success's they brought in or comparing other teams that had similar QB issues throughout the league. Really Joe? #### you you smug #######.
amnesiac
beer is good
well, what i heard was, hey, we suck. we know we suck. we're committed to getting better.
they could've easily kept Chud another year, then fired him, giving themselves an extra year of excuses.
imo, they really laid it on the line today.
wtf are they going to say if they only win 4 games next year?
they could've easily kept Chud another year, then fired him, giving themselves an extra year of excuses.
imo, they really laid it on the line today.
wtf are they going to say if they only win 4 games next year?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
duaneok66
Footballguy
wow . . . eating money after the coach is gone . . . not good . . . especially if it happens over and over.
nxmehta
Footballguy
I actually know someone who is associated with Haslam and from what I'm hearing this is coming straight from him. He was PISSED about this year. Apparently he's going to be very hands on this year. I don't know what exactly to make of that.
This team is a mess right now. Banner and Lombardi, I don't know about those two. If they bring in McDaniels they better be on the same page. If they can't be on the same page with him (given his history with Lombardi), then I don't know if it will be possible to bring in someone that doesn't have big problems with Lombardi's personnel decisions.
This team is a mess right now. Banner and Lombardi, I don't know about those two. If they bring in McDaniels they better be on the same page. If they can't be on the same page with him (given his history with Lombardi), then I don't know if it will be possible to bring in someone that doesn't have big problems with Lombardi's personnel decisions.
nxmehta
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Weeden
Campbell
Wittaker
Baker
Mcgahee
Ogbanaya
Rainey
There are the players that had the ball in their hands every play. Worst QB situation in the NFL. Worst RB situation in the NFL. Underachieved??
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And as for Richardson...........MAYBE, and I mean MAYBE they could have gotten more in a deal. But I also think it would have been stupid to risk throwing Richardson out there for one more week while trying to haggle for just a tiny bit more from some other team. He could have either gotten injured, or simply continued to do what he was doing, which was quickly driving his own value down with each 2 yard carry.
Great trade at the time, and ridiculously good now.
Great trade at the time, and ridiculously good now.
nxmehta
Footballguy
The front office gave him nothing to work with. He had Hoyer but he got knocked out early. The rest of the personnel on offense minus Gordon/Cameron is a joke.
The assumption was that this year was a mulligan considering the players Chud got. Sure, he lost 12 games, but I can't say I didn't expect much better than that given the players we have on the team.
It's not an outrageous fire, but it is surprising. It's indicative of a breakdown in communication between the front office and coach. And if that bad of a breakdown happens in one year with their handpicked hire, what confidence do we have that they can bring someone in this year who will be on the same page? I think the outrage should be more along of lines of, if this guy is so bad why the hell did they hire him? It's not like some ####### came in and took a dump on the Browns. They were the ones that picked this guy.
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amnesiac
beer is good
oh, i was surprised as anyone. but let's everyone stop with "the cupboard was bare" routine.
the Browns have FIVE Pro-Bowlers. they are not the Jaguars.
nxmehta
Footballguy
I don't know, at QB and RB we're talking about:
Brandon Weeden
Jason Campbell
Alex Tanney
Willis McGahee
Fozzy Whittaker
Edwin Baker
Chris Ogbannaya
Plus according to reports the FO refused to give Chud a fullback. Doesn't seem like a lot of teamwork going on there to me.
Also, is the fact that we have 5 pro bowlers because of, or in spite of, Chud? Chud turned Braylon Edwards into a pro bowler and that guy was a born loser. Shouldn't we be absolutely amazed that Jordan Cameron is a pro bowler with Jason Campbell throwing the ball to him? Where was Cameron last year? Or Gordon for that matter? I think most of that credit goes to Norv and Chud. If neither of them make the pro bowl next year, is that because they players are bad, or the next coach is bad?
But all of that is besides the point. The outrage is not at firing Chud. I think it's at being stupid enough to hire him and fire him immediately. Again, I'll go back to this point- they hired Chud. It's not like he fell from the sky.
To quote one of the remarks from an unidentified Browns player:
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Domination
Footballguy
For me, the only way that this makes sense is if they already know who they want the new coach to be & they go after him hard to make sure they get their guy rather than settling like they did for Chud
amnesiac
beer is good
good points. i fully agree this team needs a stable QB.
we can agree there is some talent outside of that position. and imo the RB position has been extremely devalued in the last few years.
i get that they hired him. and that maybe it was a mistake.
but ask yourself this: would rather have had Holmgren fire Shurmur after a year and admit he made a mistake?
right now, i'm giving them credit for moving on instead of continuing with what they admit to being a mistake.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Ha, I'd rather have Holmgren (in order of preference)
1. Jump off the 480 Bridge
2. Fire himself
3. Hire the right coach to start with
4. Hire Shurmur and then fire him after 1 year
I do however give the front office credit for admitting a mistake and moving on quickly.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I'm not hoping for McDaniels, but I won't be upset if it is him. He was given too much control for a young first-time coach in Denver. That certainly won't happen in Cleveland.
Obviously we can all name some coaches that were a lot better at their 2nd or 3rd NFL stop.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
nxmehta
Footballguy
RevDawg
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
QB driven league. Look no further than KC to see how important a QB is. They had a ton of Pro Bowlers, but no QB and won 2 games. Bring in just an adequate QB in Alex Smith and they win 11 games. If CLE simply added a competent QB they'd win 8 games without doing much more.
amnesiac
beer is good
i agree. they got competent play from Hoyer for two games. so this team was spotted two wins and could only manage two more wins on the rest of the season.
MAC_32
Footballguy
no, it's all about how our franchise is a joke.
amnesiac
beer is good
i think he'll be back, and likely compete for the starting job with a rookie or a backup they trade for. unless they sign someone like Cutler to come in and start. not sure who else is available in FA.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The more you think about it, the more you realize that Chicago is going to re-sign Cutler. They can't go forward with 34 year old Josh McCowan and let 30 year old Jay Cutler walk.
Its a big payday but the risk of going without a net, only having McCowan going forward, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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The Browns will draft a rookie QB but Hoyer will start, at least at the begining of next year.
By replacing Chud the front office takes some heat off of them to win instantly but if they also take a young QB they can ease him in when he's ready by starting Hoyer.
I would imagine the first three picks will be:
- 1st round pick quarterback
- 1st round pick either CB or WR
- 2nd round pick either WR or CB
That way we get the quarterback and we fix the biggest hole on defense and are able to get rid of Little and Davone Bess and replace them with a weapon to attack the field opposite Gordon and Cameron.
We 'could' turn things around quickly if we can keep the core of the team intact this offseason.
We've alreay lost coaching continuity but if we get the QB and fill the gaping hole at corner opposite Joe Haden AND add a legit weapon opposite Gordon and Cameron then we completely forget this point in time that means nothing if things turn around and if you look at the team objectively we are closer than people realize.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We did go CB in last year's free agency but took Chris Owens over Grimes who went to the Pro Bowl however Grimes is 30 and the front office only signed one player over the age of 30 last year, QB Jason Cambel, but he was slotted as a veteran back-up.
Older free agents did not fit into the front office plans because they knew it would take time before we were competative and in two to three years any free agent over the age of 30 would be past their prime and over-priced so as bad as the Chris Owens singing was, I agreed with the philosophy behind it even though I wanted Grimes.
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ANY NFL player contemplatng free agency is about one f'ng thing, MONEY
Don't kid yourself about people turning their nose at taking Cleveland money.
We will be VERY AGGRESSIVE in free agency this offseason.
amnesiac
beer is good
other than QB and an upgrade at the #2 WR slot, I'd rather see them spend the picks on defense.
actually, I'd rather see them go BPA every pick, because i think that's the best strategy to building a talented roster long term. but i realize no NFL teams are ever that patient.
actually, I'd rather see them go BPA every pick, because i think that's the best strategy to building a talented roster long term. but i realize no NFL teams are ever that patient.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
The O line needs an upgrade desperately.
Schwartz is not it as the RT.
I'd love to see RT addressed and Schwartz moved in to Guard.
amnesiac
beer is good
i could see that. though he looked better when he wasn't trying to block two guys at the same time because the right guard was so terrible. Greco?
amnesiac
beer is good
are you thinking Jake Matthews at RT, then switch him over to LT in a few years?linemen always seem like a safe pick to me at the top of the draft. even if they're not great they are usually at least stable starters.
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beer 302
Footballguy
Speaking of linemen, Alex Mack is probably gonna walk so you got that hole to think about as well.
Lovely read if you haven't already:
http://www.nbcsports.com/better-nothing-you-havent-been-factory-sadness
Lovely read if you haven't already:
http://www.nbcsports.com/better-nothing-you-havent-been-factory-sadness
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Mack is going to want a huge contract.
Somewhere I remember reading or hearing Banner saying/implying Centers are easy to replace.
Dear Jimmy since I know you love hearing this phrase here it is again.
Same old Browns.
Somewhere I remember reading or hearing Banner saying/implying Centers are easy to replace.
Dear Jimmy since I know you love hearing this phrase here it is again.
Same old Browns.
MAC_32
Footballguy
We will have to overpay for free agents to come here. Our CEO won't over pay free agents. He also won't overpay to keep our own.
We have holes that could be filled in March, but they won't. We'll get guys like Chris Owens and Gary Barnridge. The player's number one priority is money, but why would they take 2% more to come to this cesspool? Assuming we even offer more. We probably won't.
We have holes that could be filled in March, but they won't. We'll get guys like Chris Owens and Gary Barnridge. The player's number one priority is money, but why would they take 2% more to come to this cesspool? Assuming we even offer more. We probably won't.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
It's a pipedream to think we will be or even try to be major players in FA.
We should resign our own guys, especially the Pro Bowl players, but I doubt that happens also.
I'm rather indifferent on the coaching decision. I wanted Shurmur gone after one season, so it's tough for me to justify Chud getting more time when I'm pretty disappointed on the outcome of the season. Chud, though, is >>>>> than Shurmur. Fact is, the team regressed when they were in position to make a push for the postseason and had a big game coming out of the bye week that they floundered. I've seen defenses carry teams to better records than 1-10 to finish the year. If our defense was as good as many believe, they should have played like it versus ####ty teams and not fell apart in as many 4th quarters as they did. Screw all the talk about what QBs and RBs Chud had to work with. There was no reason to be 4-12 this year. If the FO didn't see the progress they wanted to see, fine move on and get it right this time. We all know Chud was not at the top of their list last year...probably not top 5. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are any hot head coach prospects out there right now besides O'Brien and we're not going to go after him.
We should resign our own guys, especially the Pro Bowl players, but I doubt that happens also.
I'm rather indifferent on the coaching decision. I wanted Shurmur gone after one season, so it's tough for me to justify Chud getting more time when I'm pretty disappointed on the outcome of the season. Chud, though, is >>>>> than Shurmur. Fact is, the team regressed when they were in position to make a push for the postseason and had a big game coming out of the bye week that they floundered. I've seen defenses carry teams to better records than 1-10 to finish the year. If our defense was as good as many believe, they should have played like it versus ####ty teams and not fell apart in as many 4th quarters as they did. Screw all the talk about what QBs and RBs Chud had to work with. There was no reason to be 4-12 this year. If the FO didn't see the progress they wanted to see, fine move on and get it right this time. We all know Chud was not at the top of their list last year...probably not top 5. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are any hot head coach prospects out there right now besides O'Brien and we're not going to go after him.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
No it's not. It's what was stated at the time. Indy did underpay for Richardson given that no market had been established. Cleveland made one phone call, accepted and moved on. Looks like an ok move now but they may have been able to get more and never gave themselves the opportunity to know it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
you could not be more incorrect.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think this is one of those situations where the NFL may be like in FF - so you offered Trent Richardson to the Marshall owner right after week 1 and they actually accepted? Well you should just be happy as can be and not worry about whether you could have gotten just a little bit more.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Ok I'm off it but you guys are either forgetful or delusional but I'll buy the poster that said it's like FF where you make a deal and it happens to work out even if at the time it looked like you were coming up short. IMO Cleveland should have shopped more and that was the consensus at the time of the trade. Now you guys are rationalizing the Chud firing when he was getting wins out of Brian Hoyer a 27 year old outcast UFA with, at the time, their most important offensive cog traded. Yes they regressed and looked like downright dog #### against Pitt but Weeden was on the Holmgren admin and was a stupid pick. When possibly the two most important offensive and defensive pieces (Thomas and Jackson) state their shock and displeasure in the firing, I feel like the guy should have been given another year to get his guy in at QB and RB. Yes, KC's do happen but they also have a damn good top QB, RB and WR. Two of those Cleveland doesn't have. If all of this is for them to bring in Josh McDaniels I will feel bad for you guys until I run into this thread seeing the rationalization of that hire.
