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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)
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Judge Smails
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May be a honda, don't have time to look, but huge article in the LA Times yesterday re: Pit Bulls. Trying to neuter them in the Inland Empires. One guy said it was almost a right of passage to give a 13 year old a pit bull for a birthday present. Are you kidding me? Then the boy grows tired of the dog and ties him to a tree. Then they go loose and roam the streets in packs. Maulings/deaths everywhere. Said they will scale 6 foot fences to breed, and females can have 14 in a litter. I have a guy on my block who has a very aggressive Akita. Let's him loose all the time. Attacked my lab twice while I was walking him, puncture wounds in his back. Made the ##### pay for entire vet bill, and good thing I just grazed that freakin' dog in the head when he came back a second time - would have f upped his head somethin' fierce. So owners, go ahead and own breeds like this. Say it's the owner. Studies show that even tame they are pack animals and will get aggressive with others and follow suit. Be prepared for lawsuits. Up your umbrella policy. Be ready for prison. Worthless species. If you have to own, live on a 100 acre ranch where they can only kill your own family and animals - not others. Just don't live near kids or the elderly.
Ditkaless Wonders
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1. Couple of minor broken bones and cuts from sports. I think I stepped on a tack once and got it stuck in my foot. All those were short emergency room visits.
Dogs have easily been the main source of fear/injury in my life. Aside from those two incidents I've been bitten and knocked over and several other ocassions. 2. Taken to the hospital, given a room, and kept there for a period of time for tests and medical work.
Chaka
Footballguy
1) Gotta get rid of those tacks and ban sports too.2) How long and what were your injuries? Stitches? Rabies test?1. Couple of minor broken bones and cuts from sports. I think I stepped on a tack once and got it stuck in my foot. All those were short emergency room visits.
Chaka
Footballguy
This is an argument for the culpability of owners.
Chaka
Footballguy
Dogs can be dangerous, no question about it but to categorically state that breed X must be eliminated is completely ignoring the problem.
Ban one breed and idiot owners will move to another.
Learn how to properly interact with dogs and teach your children the same. That's the smartest thing you can do.
It would also be nice if some people in here just come out and say "I'm scared of dogs and that is why I think they should be banned." Instead of caching it as some sort of public service.
Ban one breed and idiot owners will move to another.
Learn how to properly interact with dogs and teach your children the same. That's the smartest thing you can do.
It would also be nice if some people in here just come out and say "I'm scared of dogs and that is why I think they should be banned." Instead of caching it as some sort of public service.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
That is a lot of suicides. So sad.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Well, they are definitely more likely to have a german shepherd than, say, a black lab.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed.The lifestyle categories (tobacco and lack of health/fitness) are also forms of suicide. Staggering numbers.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Yeah, it's the fault of people not teaching their kids how to interact with dogs.
Mr. Retukes
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Chaka
Footballguy
Where do you see that I am casting blame? But yes there is no question that in many instances of dog attack the dogs were provoked by the eventual victim and would have been preventable if the person understood how to interact with dogs. Or do you think that all dog attacks are completely unprovoked?You can go off on all the crusades to ban dangerous breeds that you want but it is downright stupid not to educate yourself on how do deal with those dangerous animals that are a part of society whether you want them to be or not.
culdeus
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Good to know the Mary Jane smokers are immortal.
Chaka
Footballguy
It's a shame that there can be only one. Fortunately potheads aren't in any hurry to get to that point.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Since we are in a thread discussing attacks from renegade pit bulls, I fail to see how I can protect my kids (from say, a deranged, drooling, snarling animal that leaps a 6-foot high fence to eat a toddler) byt teaching them not to stick their hand in puppy's face while puppy is eating.Mind you, I will still teach my kids how to act around animals. But that really has no bearing on this specific discussion.I haven't advocated banning pit bulls.
Chaka
Footballguy
Of course you are correct, if the animal is deranged (as you put it) and decides to attack unprovoked there is little you can do except defend yourself. However those are not the only circumstances that precipitate fatal attacks.
modogg
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here our the stats on the 2009 dog fatalities (i made a horrendous mistake and mentioned this thread to my wife):http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/201...nal-report.html
it is a little long, but here is a synopsis:
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Maelstrom
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Not gonna get dragged into this except to post this, which sums up a lot of my feelings:
Stop BSL (breed specific legislation)
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Stop BSL (breed specific legislation)
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Judge Smails
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Was rushed gettin' out to SB festivities, so my post was all over the place. 1) The breed is the breed. Even those pitbulls who have been "great around kids for years" can and do snap out of the blue. The article said that even previously tame pitbulls become aggressive in packs. I wouldn't be sad if they eradicated the breed.2) A lot of it is on the owners, no doubt. I'm not gonna sugar coat it - the people I see owning pit bulls, for the most part, are not the type of people I'd want my daughter dating. I think the majority of them are idiots. How many babies do you need to see get mauled before it sinks in?You are making the point that it's the owner.
modogg
Footballguy
Was rushed gettin' out to SB festivities, so my post was all over the place. 1) The breed is the breed. Even those pitbulls who have been "great around kids for years" can and do snap out of the blue. The article said that even previously tame pitbulls become aggressive in packs. I wouldn't be sad if they eradicated the breed.You are making the point that it's the owner.
2) A lot of it is on the owners, no doubt. I'm not gonna sugar coat it - the people I see owning pit bulls, for the most part, are not the type of people I'd want my daughter dating. I think the majority of them are idiots. How many babies do you need to see get mauled before it sinks in?
If you have interest in this particular subject, please read the below post so you can be a little better informed with more factual information:http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/201...nal-report.html.Ditkaless Wonders
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Some of the most well behaved dogs I've met are pitbulls. The owner on your block is going to have a horrid dog no matter what the breed.Judge Smails said:Was rushed gettin' out to SB festivities, so my post was all over the place. 1) The breed is the breed. Even those pitbulls who have been "great around kids for years" can and do snap out of the blue. The article said that even previously tame pitbulls become aggressive in packs. I wouldn't be sad if they eradicated the breed.2) A lot of it is on the owners, no doubt. I'm not gonna sugar coat it - the people I see owning pit bulls, for the most part, are not the type of people I'd want my daughter dating. I think the majority of them are idiots. How many babies do you need to see get mauled before it sinks in?thayman said:Chaka said:
Chaka
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1) That can be said about almost any dog breed2) How about more than get killed by plastic bags every year? Or more than get killed by things you find under the kitchen sink. I would like to see that before I start legislating against one dog breed.Seriously people if you are so concerned about the welfare of society and our children in particular then there are far, far more worthy causes than picking on one specific dog breed. Do some research into causes of injury and death to children I am sure there are more significant causes that you can try and do something about.Judge Smails said:Was rushed gettin' out to SB festivities, so my post was all over the place. 1) The breed is the breed. Even those pitbulls who have been "great around kids for years" can and do snap out of the blue. The article said that even previously tame pitbulls become aggressive in packs. I wouldn't be sad if they eradicated the breed.2) A lot of it is on the owners, no doubt. I'm not gonna sugar coat it - the people I see owning pit bulls, for the most part, are not the type of people I'd want my daughter dating. I think the majority of them are idiots. How many babies do you need to see get mauled before it sinks in?thayman said:Chaka said:You are making the point that it's the owner.
Harrassment Panda
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Worst thing my dog has ever done to anybody is beg for food. He is 95% pit. This is a dog that had his ears cut off as a puppy b/c he was born in a fighting operation. Since we rescued him, he's been around babies, old people, strangers, doesn't matter. He plays with other dogs, and always backs down when things get a little too aggressive.Blame people who chain them to trees, antagonize them, neglect them and/or teach them to be aggressive. Pits are the best, most lovable, most well-behaved, loyal dogs around. In the hands of anybody but the worst owners they are ideal pets.
Franknbeans
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Clearly, pit bulls need to get highChaka said:
SmoovySmoov
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I'm pretty sure nuclear weapons kill people.HTH(Also, as an aside, defensive pit bull owners are funny.)Otis said:
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Yours might be good, but this statement is just completely untrue.
It's also a statement that 90% of all pitbull owners involved in attacks would make one day before their creature snapped.
Zow
Footballguy
And the day after. Or in court when they are facing convictions and insane amounts of restitutions and the victims are visibly messed up.
Zow
Footballguy
Exactly. Most dog breeds are inherently dangerous and we should get rid of them all. And your "plastic bag" examples aren't relevant. Dogs have the ability to be deadly on their own. The examples you give provide some sort of "fault" by the initial owner - be it negligence in leaving a plastic bag out, recklessness in keeping a gun case unlocked, intentional with smoking cigarettes, etc. You can have the best dog owner in the world and his dog could still maul a little kid through no fault of his own. It's true that the risk of a dog attacking rises exponentially with poor ownership, but the ability to kill for no rational reason is inherent in an irrational animal.1) That can be said about almost any dog breedJudge Smails said:Was rushed gettin' out to SB festivities, so my post was all over the place. 1) The breed is the breed. Even those pitbulls who have been "great around kids for years" can and do snap out of the blue. The article said that even previously tame pitbulls become aggressive in packs. I wouldn't be sad if they eradicated the breed.2) A lot of it is on the owners, no doubt. I'm not gonna sugar coat it - the people I see owning pit bulls, for the most part, are not the type of people I'd want my daughter dating. I think the majority of them are idiots. How many babies do you need to see get mauled before it sinks in?thayman said:Chaka said:You are making the point that it's the owner.
I'm impressed with how much dumb some folks can pack into a mere two sentences. Pit bulls aren't even large dogs, they're medium sized. Most weight 50-60 pounds, with an average of mid 50's. That's smaller than the average Golden Retriever, which weighs in 60-80. Comparing a domesticated animal to a wild animal is as helpful as comparing a BB gun to an assault rifle. And before anyone dismisses that comparison of a pit bull to a BB gun, recognize that more kids die/year from BB guns than dog attacks.
Which proves nothing more than people are stupid. People being stupid doesn't in any way make it remotely logical to eliminate or outlaw an entire breed of domesticated dog. Particularly one that is safely owned and loved by well over 99% of the people who own them. Additionally, places where breed specific legislation has been enacted have not only seen zero decrease in dog attacks, but a 50% increase. Why? If it's just the dog and just the breed, why has breed specific legislation failed so spectacularly? Eliminating the breed is a preposterous suggestion on it's face and in light of available data.
Chaka
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Okay I will gladly substitute "plastic bags" with "homicides committed by humans", the most irrational animal on the planet.Dogs are responsible for deaths numbering in the tens every year. Human homicides number in the thousands. But keep your focus on saving the tens and we'll worry about the thousands at a later time.Repeat after me "I want large dogs exterminated because I am scared of them" Admit it, just come out and say it but don't try to tell me that it has anything to do with protecting society from some kind of clear and present danger.
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1. Yes and no. It proves that people are stupidly ignorant about how dangerous their dogs are. 2. I'm not at all shocked at that result for two reasons. First, I'd say that there is probably a good chance that people who are good dog owners are also not law-breakers. So, the people providing the homes for these outlawed breeds aren't going to be your top owners. This is gonna happen until we can actually eliminate the breed. Second, I'm guessing there is no medical oversight of these dogs since they are unlawful (similar to the abortion argument). A dangerous dog in poor health when coupled with poor ownership is a recipe for disaster. That's why we need to physically removes these dogs rather than outlaw them.
Chaka
Footballguy
But those deaths are accidental so they don't count.
Zow
Footballguy
I bet I know how you voted in the save a dog or a human poll. And no kidding I want dogs eliminated because I am scared of them. They've caused me the most injury for no reason. This is unlike a homicide where, while the reasons may be unethical, there is like some loosely rationale or goal behind the murder (most likely financial or emotional).
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Footballguy
So dogs are slightly less dangerous than BB guns in young kids' hands. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
That's a Herculean twist of logic to wind yourself into in order to ignore data that doesn't kit your hypothesis. The article expressly states that "very few Pit Bulls exist" in the UK. And yet, dog attacks and injuries are increasing. You really want to go with "it's probably unhealthy, aged Pits that are accounting for the increase in dog bites despite the article expressly stating there are very few Pit Bulls in the UK" as your argument?
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Footballguy
Saying there is some modicum of "reason" for killing isn't justifying it. I'm just distinguishing it from a dog killing a kid for zero reason and to explain that humans have the ability to reason (albeit poorly e.g. murder) whereas dogs don't have this ability and that is why they are inherently dangerous.
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You actually expected me to read the article?
