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On 2/7/2010 at 6:29 AM, bigbottom said:

I can't imagine adopting a pit bull from a shelter when you have no idea how it's been bred or (mis)treated prior to being abandoned.

 

38 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

I invited you to present a dismantling of the specific logical conclusion arising from the stated premise, but you have thus far declined to do so. I’m happy to entertain your thought process on the issue. Thus far, the insults have been less than persuasive. 

:lmao: you've been saying the exact same thing for nine years ... like everyone else in here.  That behavior is more bizarre than someone adopting a pit bull.

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8 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

 

:lmao: you've been saying the exact same thing for nine years ... like everyone else in here.  That behavior is more bizarre than someone adopting a pit bull.

Once again, you haven't offered a critique of the logic.

As for the consistency of my position over the years, my hope has always been to convince others to consider making less risky decisions for themselves, their families and their neighbors.  Isn't that preferable to banning the breed altogether? 

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6 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

Once again, you haven't offered a critique of the logic.

As for the consistency of my position over the years, my hope has always been to convince others to consider making less risky decisions for themselves, their families and their neighbors.  Isn't that preferable to banning the breed altogether? 

As @Ditkaless Wonders said, a conscious choice was made and then it turns into defensive behavior. I’m right with your logic that I would never risk my children or my neighbors to prove a point. I’d be willing to concede that most pit bulls likely never maul someone to death, but you are making a conscious choice to elevate your risk.

I liken it to walking across a parking lot into a store. Many people just walk without a care and 99.9% of the time cars will yield. When I walk across, especially with kids, I like to make sure I see the driver acknowledge my crossing because I don’t trust other people. I know I always yield to be nice, but it’s not worth the risk to assume. In that one case where a teenager is glued to her phone or an old guy isn’t paying attention, I know that my kids and I will not beat a car or truck. If it was a Labrador or soft cushy pillow car then I might not be as careful, but a pit bull/real car can kill me.

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On 5/25/2019 at 4:47 AM, bigbottom said:

In our college dorm, we used to compete in a competition called the case club.  Teams of four people each had a beer bong and a case of beer. It was a relay where each member would bong two beers at once and then hand off to the next member. You did the cycle three times, so each member ended up bonging six beers. The key to winning was your team’s efficiency in getting the next two beers poured into the bong. We were one of the better teams (though not the best), and our best time to complete the case was 12 minutes and change. Because of the order of the relay (the first person goes first each of the three rounds), that means each member is bonging six beers in under 10 minutes. My stomach would almost burst every time. No way I could do that today. 

 

1 hour ago, bigbottom said:

my hope has always been to convince others to consider making less risky decisions for themselves, their families and their neighbors.  

yeah, that's it :lmao:

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36 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

 

yeah, that's it :lmao:

:lmao:  You're going to be in big trouble if you use 18-year-old bigbottom as a guide for responsible behavior!

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38 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

 

yeah, that's it :lmao:

You aren’t very bright are you. First, like my analogy above, downing 6 beers in 10 minutes caused his stomach to bufrn, that’s it. Was there a chance of mauling or death? No. Second, did he ever risk another person’s life such as his or neighbor’s children? No. So, what he did had a way less risk ceiling than having a pit bull around children.

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8 hours ago, modogg said:

 

Yes, I am willing to go on an assumption here that 100% of the people in this thread would feel this is awful. Yet, did anyone actually read the article? it has to do about a wondering pack of dogs, and a lot less to do with whatever breed they were. a pack of dogs wondering has really nothing to do with the breed

Wait wtf are you talking about?  They were dogs owned by some moron. The owner had complained to the idiot about his crappy fence before. If he had owned three chihuahuas that little girl would still be alive. 

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20 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

zomg they are all aggressive :lmao:

Que? All dogs are most certainly not aggressive.

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3 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

:lmao: nice sentence

Normally, it would be a question, but it was a statement.

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3 hours ago, Otis said:

Wait wtf are you talking about?  They were dogs owned by some moron. The owner had complained to the idiot about his crappy fence before. If he had owned three chihuahuas that little girl would still be alive. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2018/11/16/alcohol-deaths-emergency-room-increase-middle-aged-women-addiction-opioids/1593347002/

Hm, people who willingly choose something with a much bigger risk than reward certainly are moronic.

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9 hours ago, bigbottom said:

I invited you to present a dismantling of the specific logical conclusion arising from the stated premise, but you have thus far declined to do so. I’m happy to entertain your thought process on the issue. Thus far, the insults have been less than persuasive. 

Hi man. Just read the last couple pages and I see the point you're trying to make about risk. I see what you're saying, but don't want to participate on either side of the argument. I want to more about your dog, or about dogs you've owned. Your dog history, so to speak. Just to see where you're coming from and to help me put everything I'm reading into context, it would be appreciated.

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1 minute ago, ChainsawU said:

@Chaos Commish Sausage looks like a really sweet girl. Her nails are very well groomed, too! :cool:

Her first name was Sasha. That owner cropped her ears and tail at 6 mos with a meat cleaver. He kicked her in the ribs so hard she was found nearly dead from internal bleeding. Police brought her to the county shelter and she ended up at a rescue where my sis volunteered. First adoption was to a wealthy couple who returned her for turning their $25000 dining room table into a tripod. Another family thought she'd be a good addition but brought her back because she was just too stupid and stubborn to be trained. 

So I took on a breed from a Pit rescue big and powerful enough to dominate most Pits who had been abused then twice rejected. Oh so risky. I walked her several times, talked to my sis (a legit dog whisperer), the animal behaviorist who owns the shelter and decided to pay for a couple weeks obedience classes with a top LA dog trainer who fell in love with her. Everything went smooth and I took her home. 

It's due diligence bigbottom. Less risk in saving this sweet girl than taking on a pup.

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40 minutes ago, ChainsawU said:

Hi man. Just read the last couple pages and I see the point you're trying to make about risk. I see what you're saying, but don't want to participate on either side of the argument. I want to more about your dog, or about dogs you've owned. Your dog history, so to speak. Just to see where you're coming from and to help me put everything I'm reading into context, it would be appreciated.

I'd rather not say.

 

(Okay, okay, I've always had small dogs.  Our current dog, Zoe, is a shih-tzu poodle mix.  Looks like this.)

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2 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

Her first name was Sasha. That owner cropped her ears and tail at 6 mos with a meat cleaver. He kicked her in the ribs so hard she was found nearly dead from internal bleeding. Police brought her to the county shelter and she ended up at a rescue where my sis volunteered. First adoption was to a wealthy couple who returned her for turning their $25000 dining room table into a tripod. Another family thought she'd be a good addition but brought her back because she was just too stupid and stubborn to be trained. 

So I took on a breed from a Pit rescue big and powerful enough to dominate most Pits who had been abused then twice rejected. Oh so risky. I walked her several times, talked to my sis (a legit dog whisperer), the animal behaviorist who owns the shelter and decided to pay for a couple weeks obedience classes with a top LA dog trainer who fell in love with her. Everything went smooth and I took her home. 

It's due diligence bigbottom. Less risk in saving this sweet girl than taking on a pup.

I'm very happy for you, and even happier for her.  Beautiful dog with an extremely heartwarming outcome.

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20 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

Her first name was Sasha. That owner cropped her ears and tail at 6 mos with a meat cleaver. He kicked her in the ribs so hard she was found nearly dead from internal bleeding. Police brought her to the county shelter and she ended up at a rescue where my sis volunteered. First adoption was to a wealthy couple who returned her for turning their $25000 dining room table into a tripod. Another family thought she'd be a good addition but brought her back because she was just too stupid and stubborn to be trained. 

So I took on a breed from a Pit rescue big and powerful enough to dominate most Pits who had been abused then twice rejected. Oh so risky. I walked her several times, talked to my sis (a legit dog whisperer), the animal behaviorist who owns the shelter and decided to pay for a couple weeks obedience classes with a top LA dog trainer who fell in love with her. Everything went smooth and I took her home. 

It's due diligence bigbottom. Less risk in saving this sweet girl than taking on a pup.

So you are into guns and pitbulls.  No offense but.....

Of all the dogs u could have saved.

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25 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

I'd rather not say.

 

(Okay, okay, I've always had small dogs.  Our current dog, Zoe, is a shih-tzu poodle mix.  Looks like this.)

Do you even lift bro??

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2 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

So you are into guns and pitbulls.  No offense but.....

Of all the dogs u could have saved.

No offense taken. I have never owned a Pit. As an adult I have owned a Cocker Spaniel, an Irish Setter, a Yellow Lab, a Lab/Rottie, a Boxer, and Sausage. And sorry my friend, but I could not have saved a better animal. 

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So many breeds of dogs to own.  Getting a pit is a statement about yourself and a message to your neighbors that u dont give an eff.

Stats dont even matter.  Know your audience at the least. 

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Just now, Chaos Commish said:

No offense taken. I have never owned a Pit. As an adult I have owned a Cocker Spaniel, an Irish Setter, a Yellow Lab, a Lab/Rottie, a Boxer, and Sausage. And sorry my friend, but I could not have saved a better animal. 

Glad u r good.  Could have saved a different dog an not caused your neighbors anxiety.

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26 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

I'd rather not say.

 

(Okay, okay, I've always had small dogs.  Our current dog, Zoe, is a shih-tzu poodle mix.  Looks like this.)

Fwiw, Sausage is my last big dog. I'm 57 and may not own another dog at all. It's a freedom thing more than anything else, but if I get weak and rescue another, it's going to be a little guy. Maybe midsize like a Heeler but no more giant poops.

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Just now, Daywalker said:

Glad u r good.  Could have saved a different dog an not caused your neighbors anxiety.

My first thought was assumption makes.... my neighbors love my dog. My best neighbor for 15 years moved away last year and wanted to take her with him. Two little kids come over just to play with all the time. Really, chill your assumptive erroneous nonsense. No offense.

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Hey neighbor I just rescued an abused pitbull.  Dont worry she is precious and I have good fencing.

How neighborly.

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18 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

sigh, another uneducated blowhard. carry on. i'm done.

 

The Venn diagram for uneducated and pitbull owners is basically concentric circles.

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13 minutes ago, Gawain said:

The Venn diagram for uneducated and pitbull owners is basically concentric circles.

Please don’t steal my shtick, I TM’d this. 

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I get a very big kick out of about half of new pit bull owners on facebook. 

Year 1- so many photos and posts about the dog. How gentle, will kiss you to death, etc. Might comment on stories where a pit mauled somebody and blame the owners.

Year 2- Definitely no public pit advocacy. Dog might show up in an occasional photo. 

Year 3- dog seems to have vanished. Year 1 photos have been purged. No explanations given. 

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8 hours ago, Otis said:

Please don’t steal my shtick, I TM’d this. 

Which shtick? Anti-Pitbull, Venn diagrams or looking like a circle?

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2 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

I get a very big kick out of about half of new pit bull owners on facebook. 

Year 1- so many photos and posts about the dog. How gentle, will kiss you to death, etc. Might comment on stories where a pit mauled somebody and blame the owners.

Year 2- Definitely no public pit advocacy. Dog might show up in an occasional photo. 

Year 3- dog seems to have vanished. Year 1 photos have been purged. No explanations given. 

You follow something you hate for three years without asking what happened to their dog.  Congrats on admitting you are really creepy.

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25 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

You follow something you hate for three years without asking what happened to their dog.  Congrats on admitting you are really creepy.

He's probably assuming that what happened to their dog was the same thing that happens to many dogs of the same breed. Best not to bring up terrible, traumatic experiences.

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

You follow something you hate for three years without asking what happened to their dog.  Congrats on admitting you are really creepy.

Seems like perhaps you don't understand how facebook works. 

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49 minutes ago, Warrior said:

He's probably assuming that what happened to their dog was the same thing that happens to many dogs of the same breed. Best not to bring up terrible, traumatic experiences.

I think if their dog murdered somebody like so many other vicious pit bulls, I would have probably heard about it.

What happens 95% of the time is that these liberal pit truthers realized how terrible of a dog to own they are or had kids and realized they didn't want to have some crazed psycho animal that looks at their baby like a plate of chicken wings so they gave it up to a shelter.  

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38 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Seems like perhaps you don't understand how facebook works. 

I don't live my life as a creepy online stalker so probably not.  

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7 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I don't live my life as a creepy online stalker so probably not.  

Weird to go to such a strong denial. Most people would be like yeah, sorry, I am not on facebook and dont understand how it works.

You went right to "I don't live my life as a creepy online stalker"... And you are a pit bull truther.... 

I don't want to steal Otis' venn schtick, so I will just leave those statements stand alone.

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This debate has basically become the debate about whether global warming is actually a thing. Which is basically the debate about whether the world is flat. Basically we are just wasting our time in here at this point. 

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5 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

Weird to go to such a strong denial. Most people would be like yeah, sorry, I am not on facebook and dont understand how it works.

You went right to "I don't live my life as a creepy online stalker"... And you are a pit bull truther.... 

I don't want to steal Otis' venn schtick, so I will just leave those statements stand alone.

I definitely see why a guy with 200k posts called  one person out on here and that person was you.  

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8 minutes ago, Otis said:

This debate has basically become the debate about whether global warming is actually a thing. Which is basically the debate about whether the world is flat. Basically we are just wasting our time in here at this point. 

Wow, nine years later you've finally decided you are wasting your time.  Maybe you should have spent that time doing something more important.

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3 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

Wow, nine years later you've finally decided you are wasting your time.  Maybe you should have spent that time doing something more important.

Good luck with your dumb animal not killing a kid. 

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tjnc09 is a PowerMonster alias, isn't it

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One of the news stations in FL had a thing over the weekend that they called "clear the shelter".  The premise was that they wanted people to come out to the local shelter and adopt (dogs, cats, and other animals).  The shelter would then waive all adoption fees.

Although on the surface this sounds like a good idea, but is it really though?  You have people adopting these animals that could be unprepared, uneducated, and just aren't familiar with the breed/type/personality of the animal they are adopting.  

I'm all for people adopting from shelters but I think they need to take the time and be ready for the animal they are adopting. 

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2 hours ago, Otis said:

Yup. The more we talk about this, the more I’m realizing that. My problem isn’t a food problem so much as an alcohol problem. I drank a bottle of wine in a night with increasing frequency. 

 

16 hours ago, Otis said:

Good luck with your dumb animal not killing a kid. 

Liver disease kills 40,000 Americans each year, dogs 50 in a bad year.  Great job having your priorities in order.  :mellow:

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On ‎8‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 9:31 AM, tjnc09 said:

 

Liver disease kills 40,000 Americans each year, dogs 50 in a bad year.  Great job having your priorities in order.  :mellow:

Your liver will not maul my kid or wife.  Your dog might if you pick the wrong breed.

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2 hours ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Your liver will not maul my kid or wife.  Your dog might if you pick the wrong breed.

Children of drunks have a lower life expectancy. :mellow:

 

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1 hour ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Well I guess you schooled me.:thumbup:

Wonder what the life expectancy is of pit bull owners vs owners of lower risk dog breeds. Or vs the general population. We know they are more likely to be criminals and we know people that have been incarcerated have a lower life expectancy so I would guess it is a lower life expectancy for pit owners. 

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