PDSL-4 Worksheets (1 Viewer)

I'll start this and be adding to it as we travel.

Let's keep the draft thread clean for the guys that have download restrictions.



I. PDSL #4 Roster Worksheet

1) PictusCat

5.01 Manning, Eli QB10-NYG

14.16 Vick, Michael QB32-PHI

1.01 Peterson, All Day RB01-MIN

7.01 Williams, Cadillac RB28-TBB

3.01 Charles, Jamal RB11-KCC

15.01 Norwood, Jerious RB57-ATL

2.16 Smith, Steve WR14-NYG

6.16 Breaston, Steve WR39-ARI

8.15 Williams, Roy WR50-DAL

9.01 Walter, Kevin WR51-HOU

10.16 Floyd, Malcom WR60-SDC

13.01 Kelly, Malcom WR73-WAS

4.16 Daniels, Owen TE09-HOU

12.16 Davis, Fred TE22-WAS

11.01 NYJ-DEF/ST01

16.16 Kasay, John PK23-CAR

17.01 Gano, Graham PK24-WAS

2) Nugget

9.02 Cassell, Matt QB18-KCC

12.15 Anderson, Derrick QB31-ARI

1.02 Johnson, Chris RB02-TEN

7.02 Jacobs, Brendon RB29-NYG

8.15 Sproles, Darren RB42-SDC

10.15 Ward, Derrick RB51-TBB

16.15 Moore, Melwelde RB62-PIT

2.15 Smith, Steve WR13-CAR

4.15 Houshmandezeh, T.J. WR22-SEA

5.02 Harvin, Percy WR23-MIN

6.15 Mason, Derrick WR38-BAL

11.02 Crayton, Patrick WR61-DAL

3.02 Davis, Vern TE04-SFO

13.02 NOS-DEF/ST10

14.15 CLE-DEF/ST17

15.02 Bironas, Rob PK07-TEN

17.02 Scobee, Josh PK25-JAC

3) BSS

3.03 Schaub Matt QB05-HOU

9.03 Smith, Alex QB19-SFO

1.03 Rice, Ray RB03-BAL

7.03 Bradshaw, Ahmad RB30-NYG

8.14 Brown, Donald RB41-IND

16.14 Bell, Mike RB61PHI

2.14 Jennings, Greg WR12-GBP

5.03 Nicks, Hakeem WR24-NYG

6.14 Evans, Lee WR37-BUF

10.14 Thomas, Devin WR59-WAS

11.03 Jones, Jacoby WR62-HOU

4.14 Winslow, Kellen TE08-TBB

12.14 Pettigrew, Brandon TE21-DET

13.03 SDC-DEF/ST11

17.03 WAS-DEF/ST25

14.14 Akers, David PK06-PHI

15.03 Prater, Matt PK08-DEN

4) depeease

3.04 Brady, Tom QB06-NEP

8.13 Garard, David QB17-JAC

16.04 Dixon, Dennis QB33-PIT

1.04 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB04-JAC

5.04 Jackson, Fred RB22-BUF

9.04 Lynch, Marshawn RB43-BUF

10.13 Choice, Tashard RB50-DAL

2.13 Colston, Marquis WR11-NOS

4.13 Welker, Wes WR21-NEP

6.13 Royal, Eddie WR36-DEN

11.04 Knox, Jonnie WR63-CHI

13.04 Tate, Golden WR74-FA

7.04 Keller, Dustin TE14-NYJ

14.13 Fasano, Anthony TE25-MIA

12.13 GBP-DEF/ST09

17.04 JAC-DEF/ST26

15.04 Folk, Nick PK09-DAL

5) Fiddles

5.05 McNabb, Donovan QB11-PHI

9.05 Young, Vince QB20-TEN

1.05 Mendenhall, Rashad RB05-PIT

6.12 Portis, Clinton RB27-WAS

8.12 Taylor, Chester RB40-CHI

12.12 Gerhart, Toby RB55-FA

13.05 McCluster, Dex RB56-FA

2.12 Rice, Sidney WR10-MIN

4.12 Sims-Walker, Mike WR20-JAC

7.05 Wallace, Mike WR40-PIT

10.12 Cribbs, Josh WR58-CLE

11.05 Thomas, Mike WR64-

3.05 Gonzales, Tony TE05-ATL

16.12 ATL-DEF/ST24

17.05 KCC-DEF/ST27

14.12 Longwell, Ryan PK05-MIN

15.05 Gould, Robbie PK10-CHI

6) Pimpin Ain't Easy

3.06 Romo, Tony QB07-DAL

10.11 Hasselbeck, Matt QB28-SEA

4.11 McCoy, LeSean RB21-PHI

5.06 Barber Marion III RB23-DAL

7.06 McFadden, Darren RB31-OAK

9.06 Johnson, Larry RB44-WAS

16.11 White, Lendale RB60-TEN

1.06 Johnson, Andre WR01-HOU

2.11 Jackson, DeSean WR09-PHI

6.11 Moss, Santana WR37-WAS

12.11 Nelson, Jordy WR72-GBP

14.11 Coles, Lavernanues WR83-FA

8.11 Olson, Greg WR16-CHI

11.06 Heap, Todd TE19-BAL

13.06 CHI-DEF/ST12

17.06 SEA-DEF/ST28

15.06 Brown, Kris PK11-HOU

7) Reaper

4.10 Cutler, Jay QB09-CHI

10.10 Freeman, Josh QB27-TBB

1.07 Gore, Frank RB06-SFO

7.07 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB32-NYJ

8.10 Williams, RickyRB39-MIA

9.07 Best, Javid RB45-FA

17.07 Davis, James RB63-CLE

2.10 Johnson, Calvin WR08-DET

5.07 Garcon, Pierre WR25-IND

6.10 Cotchery, Jerrico WR34-NYJ

11.07 Morgan, Josh WR65-SFO

12.10 Ginn, Ted WR71-MIA

3.07 Finley, Jermichael TE06-GBP

13.07 Miller, Zach TE23-JAC

14.10 NEP-DEF/ST16

15.07 Reed, Jeff PK12-PIT

16.10 Carpenter, Dan PK22-MIA

8) Valence

2.09 Rivers, Phillip QB04-SDC

10.09 Moore, Matt QB26-CAR

1.08 Jackson, Steven RB07-STL

3.08 Benson, Cedric RB12-CIN

8.09 Hightower, Tim RB38-ARI

17.08 Blount, LaGarrett RB64-FA

4.09 Crabtree, Michael WR20-SFO

5.08 Driver, Donald WR26-GBP

7.08 Eddleman, Julian WR41-NEP

9.08 Doucet, Early WR52-ARI

11.08 Jones, James WR66-GBP

6.09 Miller, Zach TE10-OAK

12.09 Cook, Jared TE20-TEN

13.08 IND-DEF/ST13

16.09 CIN-DEF/ST23

14.09 Hartley, Garrett PK04-NOS

15.08 Rackers, Neil PK13-NYJ

9) Shadowmaster

5.09 Rothleisberger, Ben QB12-PIT

10.08 Leinart, Matt QB25-ARI

14.08 Delhomme, Jake QB27-CLE

3.09 Forte, Matt RB13-CHI

7.09 Smith, Kevin RB33-DET

12.08 Faulk, Kevin RB54-NEP

1709 Taylor, Nred RB65-NEP

1.09 Wayne, Reggie WR02-IND

2.08 Marshall, Brandon WR07-DEN

4.08 Ward, Hines WR19-PIT

6.08 Owens, Terrell WR33-FA

9.09 Bess, Davone WR53-MIA

8.08 Miller, Heath TE15-PIT

16.08 Scaife, BO TE26-TEN

11.09 PIT-DEF/ST02

13.09 ARI-DEF/ST14

15.09 Tynes, Lawrence PK14-NYG

10) Aaron Rudnicki

2.07 Rodgers, Aaron QB03-GBP

10.07 Sanchez, Mark QB24-NYJ

1.10 Turner, Michael RB08-ATL

3.10 Moreno, Knowshon RB14-DEN

5.10 Harrison, Jerome RB24-CLE

12.07 Scott, Bernard RB53-CIN

4.07 Bowe, Dwayne WR18-KCC

7.10 Manningham, Mario WR42-NYG

8.07 Burleson, Nate WR49-DET

9.10 Berrian, Bernard WR54-MIM

13.10 Murphy, Louis WR75-OAK

14.07 Gibson, Brandon WR82-STL

6.07 Cooley, Chris TE11-SEA

17.10 Gresham, Jermaine TE27-FA

11.10 MIN-DEF/ST03

16.07 TEN-DEF/ST22

15.10 Nedney, Joe PK15-SFO

11) Norseman

2.06 Manning, Peyton QB02-IND

11.11 Bradford, Sam QB29-FA

4.06 Greene, Shonn RB20-NYJ

7.11 Slaton, Steve RB34-HOU

8.06 Dwyer, Jonathan RB37-FA

13.11 Parker, Willie RB57-FA

1.11 Fitzgerald, Larry WR03-ARI

5.11 Maclin, Jeremy WR27-PHI

3.11 Ochocinco, Chad WR15-CIN

9.11 Ashromogue, Darren WR54-CHI

12.06 Robinson, Laurent WR70-STL

6.06 Schiancoe, Visanthe TE11-MIN

10.06 Shocky, Jeremy TE18-NOS

14.06 MIA-DEF/ST15

17.11 TBB-DEF/ST29

15.11 Feeley, Jay PK14-ARI

16.06 Mare, Olindo PK21-NEP

12) Ministry Of Pain

5.12 Farve, Brett QB13-GBP

12.05 Campbell, Jason QB30-WAS

15.12 Whitehurst, Charlie QB34-SEA

1.12 Williams, DeAngelo RB09-CAR

3.12 Grant, Ryan RB15-GBP

6.05 Spiller, C.J. RB26-FA

4.05 Holmes, Santonio WR17-PIT

7.12 Chambers, Chris WR43-KCC

8.05 Hester, Devin WR48-CHI

9.12 Massaquoi, Mohammed WR55-CLE

10.05 Henderson, Devery WR57-NOS

13.12 Washington, Nate WR76-TEN

14.05 Hartline, Brian WR81-MIA

2.05 Gates, Antonio TE03-SDC

11.12 BAL-DEF/ST04

16.05 DEN-DEF/ST21

17.12 Succop, Ryan PK26-KCC

13) Toads

5.13 Flacco, Joe QB14-BAL

10.04 Orton, Kyle QB23-DEN

1.13 Stewart, Jonathan RB10-CAR

3.13 Thomas, Pierre RB16-NOS

8.04 McGahee, Willis RB37-BAL

9.13 Maroney, Lawrence RB46-NEP

17.13 Foster, Arian RB66-HOU

2.04 Jackson, Vincent WR06-SDC

6.04 Collie, Austin WR31-IND

7.13 Bryant, Dez WR44-FA

12.04 Gaffney, Jabar WR69-DEN

14.04 Avant, Jason WR80-PHI

4.04 Celeck, Brent TE07-PHI

13.13 Watson, Ben TE19-CLE

11.13 SFO-DEF/ST05

16.04 CAR-DEF/ST20

15.13 Vinatieri, Adam PK17-IND

18.04 Dawson, Phil PK27-CLE

14) GetintheMix

4.03 Ryan, Matt QB08-ATL

10.03 Henne, Chad QB22-MIA

3.14 Wells, Beanie RB17-ARI

8.03 Jones, Thomas RB36-KCC

9.14 Bush, Michael RB47-OAK

16.03 Hardesty, Montario RB58-FA

1.14 White, Roddy WR04-ATL

5.14 Edwards, Braylon WR28-NYJ

6.03 Bryant, Antonio WR30-CIN

7.14 Avery, Donnie WR45-STL

13.14 Douglas, Harry WR77-ATL

17.14 Stallworth, Donte WR84-FA

2.03 Witten, Jason TE02-DAL

18.03 Nelson, Shawn TE29-TEN

11.14 DAL-DEF/ST06

12.03 NYG-DEF/ST08

14.03 Gostkowski, Stephen PK03-NEP

14.03 Janokowski, Sebastian PK18-OAK

15) Menobrown

2.02 Brees, Drew QB01-NOS

9.15 Kolb, Kevin QB21-PHI

3.15 Jones, Felix RB18-DAL

4.02 Addai, Joeseph RB19-IND

7.11 Matthews, Ryan RB35-FA

1.15 Moss, Randy WR05-NEP

5.15 Meacham, Robert WR29-NOS

12.02 Moore, Lance WR68-SDC

8.02 Schilens, Chaz WR47-OAK

13.15 Stroughter, Sammy WR78-STL

18.02 Naanee, Legedu WR86-SDC

6.02 Carlson, John TE10-SEA

10.02 Boss, Kevin TE17-NYG

11.15 PHI-DEF/ST07

16.02 HOU-DEF/ST19

14.02 Kaeding, Nate PK02-SDC

15.15 Graham, Shayne PK19-CIN

16) Duckyboy

5.16 Palmer, Carson QB15-CIN

8.01 Stafford, Matthew QB16-DET

3.16 Brown, Ronnie RB19-MIA

6.01 Bush, Reggie RB25-NOS

10.01 Forsett, Justin RB49-SEA

11.16 Washington, Leon RB52-FA

1.16 Austin, Miles WR06-DAL

4.01 Boldin, Anquan WR16-BAL

7.16 Britt, Kenny WR46-TEN

13.16 Thomas, DemaryiusWR79-FA

14.11 Benn, Arrelious WR85-FA

9.16 Gonzales, Anthony WR56-IND

12.01 Bennett, Earl WR67-CHI

2.01 Clark, Dallas TE01-IND

18.01 Scheffler, Tony TE28-DEN

15.16 BUF-DEF/ST18

14.01 Crosby, Mason PK01-GBP

16.01 Brown, Josh PK20-NEP

Thanks Toads and Nugget. Going to be nice to coast and just draft.

With the #1, I guess I'm the favorite to win.

nice work Toads, but you know its your pick right????

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

nice work Toads, but you know its your pick right????

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Let's see: I'm just arrising and it's my pick.....funny that should happen. It'll take me a minute to get up to speed but now I know.A guy in N.Y. followed by a guy in California followed by a guy in Georgia followed by a guy in Las Vegas.....there must be a better way to do this?

Toads said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

nice work Toads, but you know its your pick right????

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Let's see: I'm just arrising and it's my pick.....funny that should happen. It'll take me a minute to get up to speed but now I know.A guy in N.Y. followed by a guy in California followed by a guy in Georgia followed by a guy in Las Vegas.....there must be a better way to do this?

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um its been your pick since midnight EST. and you made this post at 5 am. But whatever floats your boat

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

1.13: Jonathan Stewart, RB-CAR

PM's sent.

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Really?

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Draft Here.Chatter there.

Really: the most impressive thing about Stewart, other than that he's the "goal line back" is that he had zero (scratch that: three) fumbles last year.

Actually, that's not that impressive.

I know: you wanted him, right?

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Toads said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

nice work Toads, but you know its your pick right????

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Let's see: I'm just arrising and it's my pick.....funny that should happen. It'll take me a minute to get up to speed but now I know.A guy in N.Y. followed by a guy in California followed by a guy in Georgia followed by a guy in Las Vegas.....there must be a better way to do this?

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um its been your pick since midnight EST. and you made this post at 5 am. But whatever floats your boat

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You forget about time zones.....didn't we attempt to have that discussion allready?Remember the RED TRUCK ?

You can lead a horse to water......

Toads said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

1.13: Jonathan Stewart, RB-CAR

PM's sent.

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Really?

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Draft Here.Chatter there.

Really: the most impressive thing about Stewart, other than that he's the "goal line back" is that he had zero (scratch that: three) fumbles last year.

Actually, that's not that impressive.

I know: you wanted him, right?

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Really though?

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

1.13: Jonathan Stewart, RB-CAR

PM's sent.

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Really?

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Draft Here.Chatter there.

Really: the most impressive thing about Stewart, other than that he's the "goal line back" is that he had zero (scratch that: three) fumbles last year.

Actually, that's not that impressive.

I know: you wanted him, right?

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Really though?

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Is this the part where we debate the relative merits of our opinions about CAR's RB's, sighting words like "Up Side" and "injury history" and "number of carries" and CAR's propensity for "running the ball"?Actually, the only reason it sticks out like a sore thumb is that both guys are from the same team and both (most probably) will end up being top RB's in 2010....after all, that's why "we" choose them.

"We" choose them because "they" are both pretty safe bets. If one excells over the other by more than 15%, it'll be because of something unforseen and unknown at this writing (which is only six months removed from the answer).

Some big reaches so far imo. loving the value that's falling right now.

Toads said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Toads said:

1.13: Jonathan Stewart, RB-CAR

PM's sent.

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Really?

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Draft Here.Chatter there.

Really: the most impressive thing about Stewart, other than that he's the "goal line back" is that he had zero (scratch that: three) fumbles last year.

Actually, that's not that impressive.

I know: you wanted him, right?

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Really though?

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Is this the part where we debate the relative merits of our opinions about CAR's RB's, sighting words like "Up Side" and "injury history" and "number of carries" and CAR's propensity for "running the ball"?Actually, the only reason it sticks out like a sore thumb is that both guys are from the same team and both (most probably) will end up being top RB's in 2010....after all, that's why "we" choose them.

"We" choose them because "they" are both pretty safe bets. If one excells over the other by more than 15%, it'll be because of something unforseen and unknown at this writing (which is only six months removed from the answer).

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Yeah but one of them has the #1 RB in football within the past 2 seasons on his resume...

Ministry of Pain said:

Yeah but one of them has the #1 RB in football within the past 2 seasons on his resume...

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"Tis the difference of opinion that makes for a horse race."

valence said:

Some big reaches so far imo. loving the value that's falling right now.

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I assume I would be one of the "big reaches"?I value players much differently. Originally I wanted to take Miles Austin at 14, but I also new I was going to take Witten in the second (he is my #1 TE). I also would not take a QB at that juncture of the draft. Just a personal preference. Drafting at the end of the first is a much more difficult prospect than drafting early. If you are in the top 4, your RB is set basically. If you draft late, not much is set.

Getinthemix said:

valence said:

Some big reaches so far imo. loving the value that's falling right now.

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I assume I would be one of the "big reaches"?I value players much differently. Originally I wanted to take Miles Austin at 14, but I also new I was going to take Witten in the second (he is my #1 TE). I also would not take a QB at that juncture of the draft. Just a personal preference. Drafting at the end of the first is a much more difficult prospect than drafting early. If you are in the top 4, your RB is set basically. If you draft late, not much is set.

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I dont think you reached at all.The reaches IMO are Mendenhall and J.Stewart.Stewy more so than Mendy. Hard to properly value Stewart in re-draft

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Getinthemix said:

valence said:

Some big reaches so far imo. loving the value that's falling right now.

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I assume I would be one of the "big reaches"?I value players much differently. Originally I wanted to take Miles Austin at 14, but I also new I was going to take Witten in the second (he is my #1 TE). I also would not take a QB at that juncture of the draft. Just a personal preference. Drafting at the end of the first is a much more difficult prospect than drafting early. If you are in the top 4, your RB is set basically. If you draft late, not much is set.

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I dont think you reached at all.The reaches IMO are Mendenhall and J.Stewart.Stewy more so than Mendy. Hard to properly value Stewart in re-draft

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I can't see Roddy White the top 5. He's a great top 10-15 guy, but there are at least 5 other WRs on board that I'd rather have. Mendy and Stewart were reaches as well

White and Mendenhall are the two picks I've find most questionable. Mendenhall because you had what is shaping up as the consensus #1 WR on the board but more to the point you had two guys at the same position in Gore and SJAX that the majority of the fantasy community would rate over Mendenhall. Same thing with White when a guy like Randy Moss is still there in addition to a few other WR's I think most people would prefer. I don't consider Stewart such a reach because I think in terms of RB slotting he went fairly close to were he would be slotted. For instance no RB's have been taken since him.

I'd not call any of these bad picks. To me a bad pick is when you pick a guy way earlier than you needed to pick them. In this case if you really liked Mendenhall or White you had to pick them because they certainly were not going to be around for the next selection.

menobrown said:

I'd not call any of these bad picks. To me a bad pick is when you pick a guy way earlier than you needed to pick them. In this case if you really liked Mendenhall or White you had to pick them because they certainly were not going to be around for the next selection.

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That is true of course. If you are really higher on White than Moss, Austin, VJax and several others still out there then I guess you made the right call (for you).

I think that Moss has a lost a step. I think you started to see this last year and this year it will be even more evident. Also he will miss having Welker pull some attention away from him.

Also I wanted to pick Austin, but knowing that I was picking Witten, who is my TE1, in the 2nd, I could not have my first two "studs" be on the same team.

Getinthemix said:

I think that Moss has a lost a step. I think you started to see this last year and this year it will be even more evident. Also he will miss having Welker pull some attention away from him.

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I did not think Moss lost a step at all. His YPC, YPA, catch % and TD's as a percentage of targets all improved from the previous year. His YPC, YPA and catch % were all pretty close to his 2007 season and last year Brady was not near the QB he was in 2007. As Brady improves after this second year of ACL I think we'll see Randy's numbers spike a little. I'm not the least bit concerned about the loss of Welker. To me Randy makes Welker and not vice versa. Certainly the loss of Welker is not nearly as bothersome to me as a guy like Fitz losing Warner or Wayne competing with so many other talented players for catches. It's why I have Moss as my #2 WR this season.

menobrown said:

Getinthemix said:

I think that Moss has a lost a step. I think you started to see this last year and this year it will be even more evident. Also he will miss having Welker pull some attention away from him.

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I did not think Moss lost a step at all. His YPC, YPA, catch % and TD's as a percentage of targets all improved from the previous year. His YPC, YPA and catch % were all pretty close to his 2007 season and last year Brady was not near the QB he was in 2007. As Brady improves after this second year of ACL I think we'll see Randy's numbers spike a little. I'm not the least bit concerned about the loss of Welker. To me Randy makes Welker and not vice versa. Certainly the loss of Welker is not nearly as bothersome to me as a guy like Fitz losing Warner or Wayne competing with so many other talented players for catches. It's why I have Moss as my #2 WR this season.

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I disagree. He is 33. He is not as explosive as when he was younger. I also did not say that Welker "made" Moss. I stated that he will miss having Welker "pull some attention away from him", which by that I mean occasionally pulling a safety down to help cover Welker. Moss completely makes Welker, but Welker in turn does help Moss not always get double and triple covered. I may be wrong on Moss, but I will not blindly follow rankings that make me pick him at certain locations. The beauty of this hobby is that we can all have different rankings and draft accordingly. Just like last year, I thought that Calvin Johnson was the most overrated player in the league. This year is undervalued. Previous year stats are given too much weight in future performance, IMO.

Getinthemix said:

menobrown said:

Getinthemix said:

I think that Moss has a lost a step. I think you started to see this last year and this year it will be even more evident. Also he will miss having Welker pull some attention away from him.

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I did not think Moss lost a step at all. His YPC, YPA, catch % and TD's as a percentage of targets all improved from the previous year. His YPC, YPA and catch % were all pretty close to his 2007 season and last year Brady was not near the QB he was in 2007. As Brady improves after this second year of ACL I think we'll see Randy's numbers spike a little. I'm not the least bit concerned about the loss of Welker. To me Randy makes Welker and not vice versa. Certainly the loss of Welker is not nearly as bothersome to me as a guy like Fitz losing Warner or Wayne competing with so many other talented players for catches. It's why I have Moss as my #2 WR this season.

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I disagree. He is 33. He is not as explosive as when he was younger. I also did not say that Welker "made" Moss. I stated that he will miss having Welker "pull some attention away from him", which by that I mean occasionally pulling a safety down to help cover Welker. Moss completely makes Welker, but Welker in turn does help Moss not always get double and triple covered. I may be wrong on Moss, but I will not blindly follow rankings that make me pick him at certain locations. The beauty of this hobby is that we can all have different rankings and draft accordingly. Just like last year, I thought that Calvin Johnson was the most overrated player in the league. This year is undervalued. Previous year stats are given too much weight in future performance, IMO.

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1200 yards and 13 TDs with a dislocated shoulder and a QB still coming back from injury.I like Moss, took him in the WSL at 14 and thought about taking him here at 7.

Great, we have different views. I just do not trust a 33 yo WR to lead my team. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I am not. I would prefer to limit my risk in R1. By passing on Moss, IMO I have done that.

Roddy White had 85/1153/11 with a QB who was actually injured for 3 games and limited in others. Also had an injured ground game to take pressure off. Just like his upside and safety better.

My rankings are often considerably different that the masses. This is one of those instances

Getinthemix said:

Great, we have different views. I just do not trust a 33 yo WR to lead my team. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I am not. I would prefer to limit my risk in R1. By passing on Moss, IMO I have done that.Roddy White had 85/1153/11 with a QB who was actually injured for 3 games and limited in others. Also had an injured ground game to take pressure off. Just like his upside and safety better.My rankings are often considerably different that the masses. This is one of those instances

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I have White in my top5/10 for early projections...he's one of the best WR in a great situation...was drafted 1st round, has the pedigree...not sure why anyone would give you stink over that pick. 16 teams, you can't grab guys at their exact ADP...no way was Roddy going to be there on the next go around or round 3 so why not lock him up if you like him? Great QB who had a Sophomore slump of sorts...I expect Atlanta to be back and ready to challenge NO in that division.

Toads said:

Ministry of Pain said:

If this is a proxy pick for Pimpin Aint Easy, this pick stands.

If it ain't (or isn't, in this case ), it's out of order and don't (doesn't).

This is painfully obvious, to all except the pain-full.

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Would you just worry about who you are going to reach for in round 3, thanks.

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What I'll do is poll you before I make up my list for each pick and make sure it's a "common perception" so as not to be at odds with the consensus. You'll have to get it together to be available at odd hours, for odd purposes, though.

Ministry of Pain said:

Getinthemix said:

Great, we have different views. I just do not trust a 33 yo WR to lead my team. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I am not. I would prefer to limit my risk in R1. By passing on Moss, IMO I have done that.Roddy White had 85/1153/11 with a QB who was actually injured for 3 games and limited in others. Also had an injured ground game to take pressure off. Just like his upside and safety better.My rankings are often considerably different that the masses. This is one of those instances

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I have White in my top5/10 for early projections...he's one of the best WR in a great situation...was drafted 1st round, has the pedigree...not sure why anyone would give you stink over that pick. 16 teams, you can't grab guys at their exact ADP...no way was Roddy going to be there on the next go around or round 3 so why not lock him up if you like him? Great QB who had a Sophomore slump of sorts...I expect Atlanta to be back and ready to challenge NO in that division.

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Even if you had White as high as #5 he still went higher than that. Like I said earlier if it's who he thought was the best available WR it's not a bad pick because he was not going to be there in the third round. I don't think anyone in general was giving him stink about the pick. It's just and out of the norm pick that was bound to bring discussion along with it.

No RB's drafted in the 2nd round. Can't remember that happening before in a Survivor draft here. 19 picks between RB10 and RB11.

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Ministry of Pain said:

Getinthemix said:

Great, we have different views. I just do not trust a 33 yo WR to lead my team. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps I am not. I would prefer to limit my risk in R1. By passing on Moss, IMO I have done that.Roddy White had 85/1153/11 with a QB who was actually injured for 3 games and limited in others. Also had an injured ground game to take pressure off. Just like his upside and safety better.My rankings are often considerably different that the masses. This is one of those instances

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I have White in my top5/10 for early projections...he's one of the best WR in a great situation...was drafted 1st round, has the pedigree...not sure why anyone would give you stink over that pick. 16 teams, you can't grab guys at their exact ADP...no way was Roddy going to be there on the next go around or round 3 so why not lock him up if you like him? Great QB who had a Sophomore slump of sorts...I expect Atlanta to be back and ready to challenge NO in that division.

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Even if you had White as high as #5 he still went higher than that. Like I said earlier if it's who he thought was the best available WR it's not a bad pick because he was not going to be there in the third round. I don't think anyone in general was giving him stink about the pick. It's just and out of the norm pick that was bound to bring discussion along with it.

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IMO he is #5, however with me knowing that I was taking Witten in the 2nd, I could not take my #4 in Austin.

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IMO he is #5, however with me knowing that I was taking Witten in the 2nd, I could not take my #4 in Austin.

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That came real close to going way wrong for you because I had to take a few minutes to decide between Witten and Brees.

Then I would have taken Gates and had my WR5 instead of my WR 4 and my TE 2 instead of my TE1. No real big deal. Just did not want my first two picks from the same team.

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Getinthemix said:

IMO he is #5, however with me knowing that I was taking Witten in the 2nd, I could not take my #4 in Austin.

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That came real close to going way wrong for you because I had to take a few minutes to decide between Witten and Brees.

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Had you not taken Moss, I would have gone Moss/Witten at the turn. Prefer Witten to Clark, but preferred Austin to the other WR options more.

Pictus Cat

1.01 Adrian Peterson - RB1 MIN

3.01 Jamaal Charles - RB11 KC

ADP is just my flavor of the top RB. I got one.

JC seemed a value at this spot, am I missing something? I'm thinking his backup is going to be more change of pace. That's what I'm thinking. Um hmm.

2.16 Steve Smith - WR14 NYG

The SS NYG is my WR1. I just could not see not having a WR1 until the 4/5 turn and being competitive, so I passed on VD.

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Pictus Cat

1.01 Adrian Peterson - RB1 MIN

3.01 Jamaal Charles - RB11 KC

ADP is just my flavor of the top RB. I got one.

JC seemed a value at this spot, am I missing something? I'm thinking his backup is going to be more change of pace. That's what I'm thinking. Um hmm.

2.16 Steve Smith - WR14 NYG

The SS NYG is my WR1. I just could not see not having a WR1 until the 4/5 turn and being competitive, so I passed on VD.

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The Charles Pick is fine. No one knows the role TJ will play in KC, so he is a little riskier than a late round rookie may have been. SS NYG was a good pick, actually thought about him as well. Went with the Carolina version becauese after the pair of RB's, Smith is the only other Panther I'd want anywhere near my team.

2.09 Phillip Rivers QB SDC

1.08 Steven Jackson RB STL

3.08 Cedric Benson RB CIN

I may end up regretting not taking a WR in the 3rd, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to lock down a second RB that has little competition for carries. There are very few workhorse backs left in the NFL and I have two of them.

What Matt Forte is doing on the board at 3.09 is a mystery to me.

Footballguys our view:

"Our view: Notice the use of the word "initially." Of course Forte is going to go into training camp as the starter, but that could change quickly. Chester Taylor is a more complete back than Forte, and because of his receiving ability he's a better fit in the Mike Martz scheme. The Bears will still use some sort of RBBC, but it wouldn't surprise us if Taylor was the starter when week one of the regular season rolled around."

I have to thank Joe for this one, becuase that statement couldn't be more wrong. Forte has 120 receptions in his first 2 seasons - I'm sure he'll be fine in the Martz system. I disagree Taylor is a "more complete back" - rather he is more of a "complete backup".

ShadowMaster said:

What Matt Forte is doing on the board at 3.09 is a mystery to me.

Footballguys our view:

"Our view: Notice the use of the word "initially." Of course Forte is going to go into training camp as the starter, but that could change quickly. Chester Taylor is a more complete back than Forte, and because of his receiving ability he's a better fit in the Mike Martz scheme. The Bears will still use some sort of RBBC, but it wouldn't surprise us if Taylor was the starter when week one of the regular season rolled around."

I have to thank Joe for this one, becuase that statement couldn't be more wrong. Forte has 120 receptions in his first 2 seasons - I'm sure he'll be fine in the Martz system. I disagree Taylor is a "more complete back" - rather he is more of a "complete backup".

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Yes but the speed with which they scooped up Taylor, they had to tell him he would be used a lot in Martz' offense. I like your logic for Forte but I see this as a very dicey situation.

Forte was awsome as a rookie, and his sophmore 'slump' is based more on poor TD production than opportunity. I blame the offense as a whole. Forte has averaged 60 receptions per season so far, so I fail to see how he isn't a 'complete back'.

I think Chicago knew thay have almost nothing behind Forte and they needed to move fast on a quality backup. Taylor certainly represents that. He is a 31 year old career backup, and that won't suddenly change in 2010.

The idea that Taylor challenges Forte for the starting gig is comical.

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Forte was awsome as a rookie, and his sophmore 'slump' is based more on poor TD production than opportunity. I blame the offense as a whole. Forte has averaged 60 receptions per season so far, so I fail to see how he isn't a 'complete back'.I think Chicago knew thay have almost nothing behind Forte and they needed to move fast on a quality backup. Taylor certainly represents that. He is a 31 year old career backup, and that won't suddenly change in 2010. The idea that Taylor challenges Forte for the starting gig is comical.

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I like Forte (I'd have picked him around your pick too), but a lot of people said TJ wouldn't be a threat to Benson's carries too. We know how that turned out.

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Forte was awsome as a rookie, and his sophmore 'slump' is based more on poor TD production than opportunity. I blame the offense as a whole. Forte has averaged 60 receptions per season so far, so I fail to see how he isn't a 'complete back'.I think Chicago knew thay have almost nothing behind Forte and they needed to move fast on a quality backup. Taylor certainly represents that. He is a 31 year old career backup, and that won't suddenly change in 2010. The idea that Taylor challenges Forte for the starting gig is comical.

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I'd like him better if I had the handcuff with him. It could be one of the steals, you got ballz.

cant believe boldin lasted that long

almost took him instead of gonzo at 3.5

QB- Drew Brees

RB- Felix Jones

Joseph Addai

WR- Randy Moss

Rounds 3 and 4 went about as badly for me as I could have hoped. Was really hoping Grant, Moreno or Wells would have made it back to me and it hurt when they all started to go right before me ending with Wells one spot before. Felix is one of those guys I think will go a few picks to as much as a round later in some other drafts but here is a case of me grabbing a guy maybe early but it's who I wanted and I knew if I wanted him I would have needed to use this or my pick coming up. Decided to secure Felix and than planned to grab Boldin just because I thought the value was to good but he got took so I went with a need pick and took Addai when Boldin was gone.

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cant believe boldin lasted that longalmost took him instead of gonzo at 3.5

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Neither can I. Strange drafting though - no RBs in the 2nd and only 1 WR in the 3rd (techincally with Boldin at 4.01). Would have preferred Addai to RBrown but had Clark in tow already; hopefully he can stay healthy for the year. Seems in looking at who I like that has been available so far, sweet spots for the draft are around 3-5 and 11-13.

I'll go back in time and we can discuss the 2 make ups of what my team does and could look like if we started over.

1. I really had no idea that the trend of last year on waiting for RBs would play over even stronger this year. From the time I took DWill at 1.12, only JStew and Jamal Charles went off the board over the next 20+ picks so that's always tough when you are trying to factor in value. I still believe I have a potential top5 RB with DWill but even so a top10 placement is still solid and shouldn't be the end of my season.

2. If I had gone WR in the 1st and taken Randy Moss, I would not have been able to get Gates based on what others have posted so I believe had I gone Moss in the 1st, DWill IMHO would have been selected so I would have looked at WR again in the 2nd round and likely would have landed on Calvin Johnson. I likely would have jumped on Grant even more at the 3.12 the 2nd time around.

Team currently

RB1-DWill

RB2-Grant

TE-Gates

Had I gone WR in the 1st instead...

RB1-Grant

WR1-Moss

WR2-Calvin Johnson

I'm sure many would like the 2nd team better, but I'm not sure. Gates can put up 350+ in this format and that can bridge some of the gap I might incur at WR...draft is far form over but i like going back and reworking the puzzle, helps for futrue drafts. Plus I think despite the number of "halfbacks" every one else drafts, I still feel the DWill/Grant combo in a 16 team format should be very solid if not strong.

Ryan Grant does not have much pushing him and even if GB drafts a RB I don't believe they will turn it over to a rookie with the offense they have put together. I had Grant with 275 carries, 300 total touches, 1,300-1,400 total yds and double digit TDs...for an RB2 there is much worse. Not explosive but a steady eddy at RB is never a bad thing.

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QB- Drew BreesRB- Felix Jones Joseph AddaiWR- Randy MossRounds 3 and 4 went about as badly for me as I could have hoped. Was really hoping Grant, Moreno or Wells would have made it back to me and it hurt when they all started to go right before me ending with Wells one spot before. Felix is one of those guys I think will go a few picks to as much as a round later in some other drafts but here is a case of me grabbing a guy maybe early but it's who I wanted and I knew if I wanted him I would have needed to use this or my pick coming up. Decided to secure Felix and than planned to grab Boldin just because I thought the value was to good but he got took so I went with a need pick and took Addai when Boldin was gone.

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I like that team alot.. I was hoping to get Addai or F Jones at my next pickAlready stated how I like Moss and with Brees at QB, this has to be one of my favorite teams....

IMO Grant was a steal.

Fiddles said:

cant believe boldin lasted that longalmost took him instead of gonzo at 3.5

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What do you have Boldin project at?I have him at 64-72 recptions...somewhere around 850-900 yds, and 4-6 TDs...how does that justify a high pick? He is going to help Baltimore much more than he will FF owners. And if you have higher numbers for him then I would like to see what you have Mason, Stallworth, and Rice(78 rec last season) slated for. I like Flacco to throw it a little more but they still have Rice and McGahee so they are going to run the ball, especially with a lead. I like Boldin a lot but more in Dyansty when Mason is gone in 2011.

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

IMO Grant was a steal.

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Ministry of Pain said:

Fiddles said:

cant believe boldin lasted that longalmost took him instead of gonzo at 3.5

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What do you have Boldin project at?I have him at 64-72 recptions...somewhere around 850-900 yds, and 4-6 TDs...how does that justify a high pick? He is going to help Baltimore much more than he will FF owners. And if you have higher numbers for him then I would like to see what you have Mason, Stallworth, and Rice(78 rec last season) slated for. I like Flacco to throw it a little more but they still have Rice and McGahee so they are going to run the ball, especially with a lead. I like Boldin a lot but more in Dyansty when Mason is gone in 2011.

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man i dont have time for all that. ill im saying is wrs are gonna get scarce really quick but rb value will be around for 4 or 5 more rounds.

Updated through pick #50 (the 4.02).

My DD tells me that there are 17 WR's over the spill way but I'm only counting up to #16. I've been through it looking for the error and can't find it....can anyone see a sequence numbering issue with the WR's?

Toads said:

I'll start this and be adding to it as we travel.

Let's keep the draft thread clean for the guys that have download restrictions.



I. PDSL #4 Roster Worksheet

1) PictusCat

1.01 Peterson, All Day RB01-MIN

3.01 Charles, Jamal RB11-KCC

2.16 Smith, Steve WR14-NYG

2) Nugget

1.02 Johnson, Chris RB02-TEN

2.15 Smith, Steve WR13-CAR

3.02 Davis, Vern TE04-SFO

3) BSS

3.03 Schaub, Matt QB05-HOU

1.03 Rice, Ray RB03-BAL

2.14 Jennings, Greg WR12-GBP

4) depeease

3.04 Brady, Tom QB06-NEP

1.04 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB04-JAC

2.13 Colston, Marquis WR11-NOS

5) Fiddles

1.05 Mendenhall, Rashad RB05-PIT

2.12 Rice, Sidney WR10-MIN

3.05 Gonzales, Tony TE05-ATL

6) Pimpin Ain't Easy

3.06 Romo, Tony QB07-DAL

1.06 Johnson, Andre WR01-HOU

2.11 Jackson, DeSean WR09-PHI

7) Reaper

1.07 Gore, Frank RB06-SFO

2.10 Johnson, Calvin WR08-DET

3.07 Finley, Jermichael TE06-GBP

8) Valence

2.09 Rivers, Phillip QB04-SDC

1.08 Jackson, Steven RB07-STL

3.08 Benson, Cedric RB12-CIN

9) Shadowmaster

1.09 Wayne, Reggie WR02-IND

2.08 Marshall, Brandon WR07-DEN

3.09 Forte, Matt RB13-CHI

10) Aaron Rudnicki

2.07 Rodgers, Aaron QB03-GBP

1.10 Turner, Michael RB08-ATL

3.10 Moreno, Knowshon RB14-DEN

11) Norseman

2.06 Manning, Peyton QB02-IND

1.11 Fitzgerald, Larry WR03-ARI

3.11 Ochocinco, Chad WR15-CIN

12) Ministry Of Pain

1.12 Williams, DeAngelo RB09-CAR

3.12 Grant, Ryan RB15-GBP

2.05 Gates, Antonio TE03-SDC

13) Toads

1.13 Stewart, Jonathan RB10-CAR

3.13 Thomas, Pierre RB16-NOS

2.04 Jackson, Vincent WR06-SDC

14) GetintheMix

3.14 Wells, Beanie RB17-ARI

1.14 White, Roddy WR04-ATL

2.03 Witten, Jason TE02-DAL

15) Menobrown

2.02 Brees, Drew QB01-NOS

3.15 Jones, Felix RB18-DAL

4.02 Addai, Joeseph RB19-IND

1.15 Moss, Randy WR05-NEP

16) Duckyboy

3.16 Brown, Ronnie RB19-MIA

1.16 Austin, Miles WR06-DAL

4.01 Boldin, Anquan WR16-BAL

2.01 Clark, Dallas TE01-IND

TEMPLATES Follow:

(4) 13.16 Akers, David PK-PHI

(9) 12.01 NYJ-DEF/ST

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Ministry of Pain said:

Fiddles said:

cant believe boldin lasted that longalmost took him instead of gonzo at 3.5

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What do you have Boldin project at?I have him at 64-72 recptions...somewhere around 850-900 yds, and 4-6 TDs...how does that justify a high pick? He is going to help Baltimore much more than he will FF owners. And if you have higher numbers for him then I would like to see what you have Mason, Stallworth, and Rice(78 rec last season) slated for. I like Flacco to throw it a little more but they still have Rice and McGahee so they are going to run the ball, especially with a lead. I like Boldin a lot but more in Dyansty when Mason is gone in 2011.

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I have him around 75/1000/7-8, eating slightly into Mason's numbers, Stallworth picks up Demitrus/Clayton value, and Rice drops down to a more reasonble 50. I see the passing game being more vertical as Q provides an element that really wasn't there the last 2 years - someone with good hands who can rack the YAC.

Toads said:

Updated through pick #50 (the 4.02).

My DD tells me that there are 17 WR's over the spill way but I'm only counting up to #16. I've been through it looking for the error and can't find it....can anyone see a sequence numbering issue with the WR's?

Toads said:

I'll start this and be adding to it as we travel.

13) Toads

2.04 Jackson, Vincent WR06-SDC

16) Duckyboy

1.16 Austin, Miles WR06-DAL

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Here's your doubleup.