bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah I herd TO wants at least 5 mill a year.Im sure he will end up somewhere. no where near that price though
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Agree BSS, probably can't squeeze more than 2.5-3 million form osmeone at this point. What playoff team would he put over the top and not cause problems?
valence
Footballguy
Bring it on! I love the hard hitting critiques as it only helps to make us better and more prepared FF players. FTR though, I said "who knows what to expect once Welker returns". I did not say that I didn't know what to expect prior to his return, which is where I threw out the 8-10 catches statement.I love the critiques just as long as you don't misquote
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
TO as my WR4 seemed worth the risk that he'd get signed by someone.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Chris Chambers...I'll simply say I had him in my top30, and he was in the same tier as Mason, Cotch, Evans...he was the absolute last WR I had on my board in the top30 so I had to take him even if I could have gambled another round.
Chambers from weeks 9-17 which is the 2nd half of the season...he ranked 19th.
3/70/2 TDs
3/60
4/119
7/70/TD
4/50
5/114/TD
3/34
5/80
You add in that Bowe has been in the doghouse, I think Haley got his knees chopped with Weiss and Crennel on board too. I think Chambers had 36/600+/4 TDs in half a season with the Chiefs. He was certainly motivated when SD released him but he gets to play them again twice, Oak and KC are not steller at stopping the pass, I like what I see here. This offense is going to get better not worse and I don't see where KC brought in any more WRs, even if they draft one it won't likely be an impact rookie.
I see Chambers being able to haul in somewhere between 60-75 balls, 800-950 yds, 5-7 TDs. He's not going ot carry my team but he is in the same tier with a lot of other WRs that were taken rounds earlier.
Sorry to defend all my picks but I liek to share my thoughts on what prompts me to take certain players, never afraid to let you know what I am really thinking.
Cheers guys, great draft so far, lucky we have such a good group.
Chambers from weeks 9-17 which is the 2nd half of the season...he ranked 19th.
3/70/2 TDs
3/60
4/119
7/70/TD
4/50
5/114/TD
3/34
5/80
You add in that Bowe has been in the doghouse, I think Haley got his knees chopped with Weiss and Crennel on board too. I think Chambers had 36/600+/4 TDs in half a season with the Chiefs. He was certainly motivated when SD released him but he gets to play them again twice, Oak and KC are not steller at stopping the pass, I like what I see here. This offense is going to get better not worse and I don't see where KC brought in any more WRs, even if they draft one it won't likely be an impact rookie.
I see Chambers being able to haul in somewhere between 60-75 balls, 800-950 yds, 5-7 TDs. He's not going ot carry my team but he is in the same tier with a lot of other WRs that were taken rounds earlier.
Sorry to defend all my picks but I liek to share my thoughts on what prompts me to take certain players, never afraid to let you know what I am really thinking.
Cheers guys, great draft so far, lucky we have such a good group.
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Please keep doing what you are doing. I'll throw some effusive praise at some of my players later and challenge anyone who thinks otherwise.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Double whammy MOP - I thought about Hester and Chambers at 7.09 but my RB2 need was too great. K.Smith was one of the lone starters (and 3 down backs) left, and so I gambled one would make it back to me. One of those would have made a fine WR5 for my team.
On a side note - keep letting those Steelers fall to me. Value and homer picks all in one. LOVE IT!
On a side note - keep letting those Steelers fall to me. Value and homer picks all in one. LOVE IT!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think the fact I only had 1 WR at the time left with me with few options...I was delighted to get both of these guys. I like Kenny Britt a lot but I have him and Hester in the same tier this season.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
QB - Matt Schaub, Alex Smith
Even with the 20 rounds, I liek to snag my 2nd QB in like round9/10. Never know when you need those extra points. Alex Smith has 3 elite weapons right now. Heck Brady freaking QUinn is part of the reason Im even a captain. that game vs. detroit saved me. LOL
RB - Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw, Donald Brown
Donald Brown is my target this year, much like Mendenhall was last year. 2nd year RB first round pick behind and entrenched start. I wanted to snagg McGahee as a cuff but could not. I would of been happy with Jacobs or Bradshaw.
WR - Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nicks, Lee Evans
Greg Jennings wil lrebound nicely, and Hakeem Nicks is gonna be a beast this year. Lee Evans will rack up 5 nice games. Love players like him in this format
TE- Kellen Winslow jr
Only viable receiving option in TB right now, had solid numbers, was gonna take Owen Daniels but the knee injury and not wanting my QB1 and TE1 to have the same bye made me take KW2
K
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Liking this squad.
Have fun boys! Ill give some critique after the draft is over.
Even with the 20 rounds, I liek to snag my 2nd QB in like round9/10. Never know when you need those extra points. Alex Smith has 3 elite weapons right now. Heck Brady freaking QUinn is part of the reason Im even a captain. that game vs. detroit saved me. LOL
RB - Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw, Donald Brown
Donald Brown is my target this year, much like Mendenhall was last year. 2nd year RB first round pick behind and entrenched start. I wanted to snagg McGahee as a cuff but could not. I would of been happy with Jacobs or Bradshaw.
WR - Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nicks, Lee Evans
Greg Jennings wil lrebound nicely, and Hakeem Nicks is gonna be a beast this year. Lee Evans will rack up 5 nice games. Love players like him in this format
TE- Kellen Winslow jr
Only viable receiving option in TB right now, had solid numbers, was gonna take Owen Daniels but the knee injury and not wanting my QB1 and TE1 to have the same bye made me take KW2
K
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Liking this squad.
Have fun boys! Ill give some critique after the draft is over.
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You have a good looking team in general. Not soft at any position . I had a hard time passing on Donald Brown for Ryan Matthews since I have Addai. This is a case were if I had known the schedule I'd probably have taken Brown but knowing the schedule I did not want my RB2 and RB3 out the same week if it's week were I have a lot of players off.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I guess I should explain some of my odd behavior.
I should use Control F to not let my values throw me off.
http://forums.footballguys.com/foru...topic=526005&view=findpost&p=11667661
I send my picks after I get a PM to the next drafter (to not hold up the draft)
and on deck or someone who says they will be around.
Average of about 30 minutes usually.
Almost Jimmy John's fast.
I should use Control F to not let my values throw me off.
Exhibit A Linkhttp://forums.footballguys.com/foru...topic=525762&view=findpost&p=11651369
Exhibit B Link http://forums.footballguys.com/foru...topic=526005&view=findpost&p=11667661http://forums.footballguys.com/foru...topic=526005&view=findpost&p=11667661
http://forums.footballguys.com/foru...topic=526005&view=findpost&p=11667661
Exhibit CMy phone lets me follow the draft and PM, but not post.
I send my picks after I get a PM to the next drafter (to not hold up the draft)
and on deck or someone who says they will be around.
Average of about 30 minutes usually.
Almost Jimmy John's fast.
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Pictus Cat
Footballguy
5.01 - Pictus Cat - Eli Manning - QB10 NYG
14.16 Pictus Cat - Michael Vick - QB33 PHI
1.01 - Pictus Cat - Adrian Peterson - RB1 MIN
3.01 - Pictus Cat - Jamaal Charles - RB11 KCC
7.01 - Pictus Cat - Cadillac Williams - RB29 TBB
15.01 Pictus Cat - Jerious Norwood - RB59 ATL
2.16 - Pictus Cat - Steve Smith -WR15 NYG
6.16 - Pictus Cat - Steve Breaston - WR40 ARI
8.16 - Pictus Cat - Roy Williams - WR51 DAL
9.01 - Pictus Cat - Kevin Walter - WR52 HOU
10.16 Pictus Cat - Malcolm Floyd - WR62 SDC
13.01 Pictus Cat - Malcolm Kelly - WR75 WAS
4.16 - Pictus Cat - Owen Daniels - TE9 HOU
12.16 Pictus Cat - Fred Davis - TE22 WAS
11.01 PictusCat - New York Jets - DEF1
14.16 Pictus Cat - Michael Vick - QB33 PHI
1.01 - Pictus Cat - Adrian Peterson - RB1 MIN
3.01 - Pictus Cat - Jamaal Charles - RB11 KCC
7.01 - Pictus Cat - Cadillac Williams - RB29 TBB
15.01 Pictus Cat - Jerious Norwood - RB59 ATL
2.16 - Pictus Cat - Steve Smith -WR15 NYG
6.16 - Pictus Cat - Steve Breaston - WR40 ARI
8.16 - Pictus Cat - Roy Williams - WR51 DAL
9.01 - Pictus Cat - Kevin Walter - WR52 HOU
10.16 Pictus Cat - Malcolm Floyd - WR62 SDC
13.01 Pictus Cat - Malcolm Kelly - WR75 WAS
4.16 - Pictus Cat - Owen Daniels - TE9 HOU
12.16 Pictus Cat - Fred Davis - TE22 WAS
11.01 PictusCat - New York Jets - DEF1
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valence
Footballguy
What are you expecting from Cassel this year that makes you comfortable with him as your QB1?
Toads
Footballguy
The usual ratio of WR to RB's choosen in most (just about all) drafts is 1/1 as it follows through, round after round.
At the 9/10 turn , we're running about (it's late/early and I've not updated) 50 RB's choosen to 60 WR's choosen. To draft a RB with a hope and a prayer of scoring a few points (see Bush and Mahroney) in the 10th round is pretty unusual.
At the 9/10 turn , we're running about (it's late/early and I've not updated) 50 RB's choosen to 60 WR's choosen. To draft a RB with a hope and a prayer of scoring a few points (see Bush and Mahroney) in the 10th round is pretty unusual.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
QB- Brett Favre
RB-DeAngelo Williams
RB-Ryan Grant
RB-CJ Spiller
WR-Santonio Holmes
WR-Chris Chambers
WR-Devin Hester
WR-Mohammed Massaquoi
WR-Devery Henderson
TE-Antonio Gates
I've seen worse
RB-DeAngelo Williams
RB-Ryan Grant
RB-CJ Spiller
WR-Santonio Holmes
WR-Chris Chambers
WR-Devin Hester
WR-Mohammed Massaquoi
WR-Devery Henderson
TE-Antonio Gates
I've seen worse
Getinthemix
Footballguy
I could not believe he was there. I probably would have taken him over Thomas Jones if I would not have missed him.The usual ratio of WR to RB's choosen in most (just about all) drafts is 1/1 as it follows through, round after round.
At the 9/10 turn , we're running about (it's late/early and I've not updated) 50 RB's choosen to 60 WR's choosen. To draft a RB with a hope and a prayer of scoring a few points (see Bush and Mahroney) in the 10th round is pretty unusual.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
My squad
14) GetintheMix
4.03 Ryan, Matt QB08-ATL
10.03 Henne, Chad
3.14 Wells, Beanie RB17-ARI
8.03 Jones, Thomas RB36-KCC
9.14 Bush, Michael
1.14 White, Roddy WR04-ATL
5.14 Edwards, Braylon WR28-NYJ
6.03 Bryant, Antonio WR30-CIN
7.14 Avery, Donnie WR45-STL
2.03 Witten, Jason TE02-DAL
It is a pretty big disadvantage to not have a top 4 pick in one of these things. Think I have done OK picking at the end. I really expect big things from Beanie this year. Also like my WR's (even though I know they are not for everyone). Think that if Braylon is ever going to turn it around this is the year. Sanchez a year older and I don't think the Jets run as much as last year. I also think that Palmer will be great for Antonio Bryant. Getting Mike Bush at the end of the 9th was a huge steal, IMO. He has a legitimate shot as a starting RB.
14) GetintheMix
4.03 Ryan, Matt QB08-ATL
10.03 Henne, Chad
3.14 Wells, Beanie RB17-ARI
8.03 Jones, Thomas RB36-KCC
9.14 Bush, Michael
1.14 White, Roddy WR04-ATL
5.14 Edwards, Braylon WR28-NYJ
6.03 Bryant, Antonio WR30-CIN
7.14 Avery, Donnie WR45-STL
2.03 Witten, Jason TE02-DAL
It is a pretty big disadvantage to not have a top 4 pick in one of these things. Think I have done OK picking at the end. I really expect big things from Beanie this year. Also like my WR's (even though I know they are not for everyone). Think that if Braylon is ever going to turn it around this is the year. Sanchez a year older and I don't think the Jets run as much as last year. I also think that Palmer will be great for Antonio Bryant. Getting Mike Bush at the end of the 9th was a huge steal, IMO. He has a legitimate shot as a starting RB.
Reaper
Footballguy
I like that draft a lot... Just like I've been saying, after the 1st 4 RB's it's a crapshoot - so you went 1-2 and nailed a top WR and a top TE... The WR we can debate, I have said I'm a Randy Moss guy at this point... Then you took advantage of the 3rd round RB Value with Beanie...NICE....Stayed ahead of the QB run plus got a decent backup.. Locked down Three more WR's and I agree with Bush being a good pick, he was a definite target of mine - He should get a good share of carries regardless and I'd assume Goal line work.Thomas Jones looks to be drafted around the right spot - a little later than the WSL's - who knows but, as a Jets fan and with the history of the Jets, I've got a feeling TJ puts up some good stats....... Most Jets fans I know are still a bit miffed at TJ leaving for LT... We'll see but, we know TJ is working his ### off, is in amazing shape and will never slack...
Toads
Footballguy
I had the pick of the poison and took Maroney.My reasonong was as follows:1) I try never, as in never, to draft from the OAK waste land.2) Mahroney's OFF team potential way outpaces the OAK OFF production.Maroney actual had a fairly decent line last year: 194/879/9.....9 TD's is pretty fair.UPDATED....through 10.08.....keep on truckin'
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Getinthemix
Footballguy
With Maroney on the board, my three hopefuls for my 9/10 were Bush/Maroney/Henne. I still got two of them, but thought Maroney was a great pick as well.I had the pick of the poison and took Maroney.My reasonong was as follows:1) I try never, as in never, to draft from the OAK waste land.2) Mahroney's OFF team potential way outpaces the OAK OFF production.Maroney actual had a fairly decent line last year: 194/879/9.....9 TD's is pretty fair.UPDATED....through 10.08.....keep on truckin'
Nugget
Footballguy
5-11 season, no QB competition, RB's who can catch, Bowe/Chambers is a decent 1-2 punch, OAK/DEN/SDC 2x, last place schedule. He is perfect for survivor leagues, if ou can pair him up with a streaky QB. Unfortunately, most of my targets were just taken in the 10th. The QB2 run is often brutal if you are on the wrong end of it.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Half way point
QB
5.09 Big Ben
10.08 Matt Leinart
RB
3.09 Matt Forte
7.09 Kevin Jones
WR
1.09 Reggie Wayne
2.08 Brandon Marshall
4.08 Hines Ward
6.08 Terrell Owens
9.09 Davone Bess
TE
8.08 Heath Miller
Obviously I feel better about Pittsburgh than anyone else at this point. Rediculous value on Ben, Hines, and Heath. I need to cover the PIT bye week. My WRs have enormous reception potential. Feeling good at the half way point.
LOVING THE SPEED OF THIS DRAFT!
QB
5.09 Big Ben
10.08 Matt Leinart
RB
3.09 Matt Forte
7.09 Kevin Jones
WR
1.09 Reggie Wayne
2.08 Brandon Marshall
4.08 Hines Ward
6.08 Terrell Owens
9.09 Davone Bess
TE
8.08 Heath Miller
Obviously I feel better about Pittsburgh than anyone else at this point. Rediculous value on Ben, Hines, and Heath. I need to cover the PIT bye week. My WRs have enormous reception potential. Feeling good at the half way point.
LOVING THE SPEED OF THIS DRAFT!
valence
Footballguy
They paid Croyle pretty well to keep him. Don't think he is in the mix if Cassel struggles the first few games?
Toads
Footballguy
5-11 season, no QB competition, RB's who can catch, Bowe/Chambers is a decent 1-2 punch, OAK/DEN/SDC 2x, last place schedule.
You can lead a horse to water....
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valence
Footballguy
Liking this group quite a bit. A lot is going to ride on Crabtree making the leap to true WR1 territory, but I think he will.
Fiddles
Footballguy
hightower and doucet were both targets. i was pissed when u took hightower 3 picks before mei really like this team
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
For those that might have chuckled when Toads picked up Gaffney, just go back and look what he did when Brandon Marshall was sitting out at the end of the year. Oh my gravy, he might be a big steal down here in the 12th, was definitely on my radar but unfortunately I had to get what I felt was a top5 defense and also a back up QB...but I wanted to grab Gaffney somehow in this turn...nice job Toads. Could mean nothing when the season begins to unfold but I like his upside and he has a coach that wants to utilize him in McDaniels.
And my Jason Campbell pick while not sexy seems like a steal down here. QB30 off the board and he was at least top20 last season. Not sure why people are that scared of a guy that likely will be Mike Shanahan's QB. Will Washjington draft a QB? Likely at some point but I don't think Clausen is reminding Shanny of Cutler who he took somewhere in the 9-12 range IIRC in that draft. The OL is a major problem but with the addition of a couple RBs I think Shanny will be running the ball with success. I see Campbell with a real shot at top 15 if he can keep his job. Look for them to take an impact LT with their 1st pick, QB in rounds 2-4 somewhere.
I was actually surprised by some of the QB2 spots people were drafting. If you take almost any QB in the NFC West, you almost have to take two of them. Bradford gets drafted, fine, but does that mean he starts day 1? Wouldn't Bulger be asked to start for awhile? Hass/Whitehurt, Leinart/Anderson, Smith/Carr...those situations just seem scary to me.
I just wanted to add though that almost everyone seems like they are putting together some interesting solid teams, BSS did a great job of picking the right guys to do this draft.
Also I want to toot my horn for finding Campbell and relaizing everyone behind me had 2 QBs already, that helped me land the Baltimore defense...which by the way, have they ever had as great an offense to help them out for once? Ravens are going to be scary this year.
And my Jason Campbell pick while not sexy seems like a steal down here. QB30 off the board and he was at least top20 last season. Not sure why people are that scared of a guy that likely will be Mike Shanahan's QB. Will Washjington draft a QB? Likely at some point but I don't think Clausen is reminding Shanny of Cutler who he took somewhere in the 9-12 range IIRC in that draft. The OL is a major problem but with the addition of a couple RBs I think Shanny will be running the ball with success. I see Campbell with a real shot at top 15 if he can keep his job. Look for them to take an impact LT with their 1st pick, QB in rounds 2-4 somewhere.
I was actually surprised by some of the QB2 spots people were drafting. If you take almost any QB in the NFC West, you almost have to take two of them. Bradford gets drafted, fine, but does that mean he starts day 1? Wouldn't Bulger be asked to start for awhile? Hass/Whitehurt, Leinart/Anderson, Smith/Carr...those situations just seem scary to me.
I just wanted to add though that almost everyone seems like they are putting together some interesting solid teams, BSS did a great job of picking the right guys to do this draft.
Also I want to toot my horn for finding Campbell and relaizing everyone behind me had 2 QBs already, that helped me land the Baltimore defense...which by the way, have they ever had as great an offense to help them out for once? Ravens are going to be scary this year.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And 1 more thing...
It's all about the MOP, right Pimpin'?
It's all about the MOP, right Pimpin'?
Nugget
Footballguy
I would have been all over Gaffney in the 21st.
Toads
Footballguy
Campbell was the "Last Of The Mohicans" as far as reasonable back-ups....from there on out, it's throwing darts.As to Gafney: he lead the entire NFL in receiving in weeks #16-#17. That's a small sample and it's not a full season. More than anything, it was interesting to see him get a chance and be dealt the ball when he was single covered. Tha'ts just basic football, to find the single covered receiver; he was split out to ther short side at the goal line and that was encouraging to see plays designed for him and to see Orton have confidence in finding him.
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Nugget
Footballguy
ETA: Good pick, bad timing.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Norseman
Footballguy
Other than the fact he isn't going to be starting...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
EGG ON FACE!!!
No need to worry, I'm always better at ripping a hole in myself than anyone else. I have already gotten texts with "bad timing"...#### it I'm a moron for not realizing Shanny was only covering his ### till he found soemthing better.
I just hope JC gets traded to any number of teams where he could walk in and likely start over anybody on their roster...and that's not 1 or 2 teams, there are probably a half dozen where he could walk in today and start.
Hope for a trade, otherwise I am taking 8 more defenses with my next 8 picks...I'm kidding.
Pile on guys, I deserve every ounce of it.
Peace,
MOP
valence
Footballguy
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Toads
Footballguy
For solace, reference: ***OFFICIAL***Drunk Thread....those guys do the same thing and expect different results on a habitual basis.
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Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I believed the rest of the QBs on the board at that point had a risk of losing thier job.I accepted that I missed the 2nd QB run.
Why do I imagine you rocking while you repeat that...after the drowning of sorrows wears off.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Both the players you're thinking of. I actually have three, but I'm so bad at fantasy football, I'm having trouble figuring which one is most likely to fall to me next round.
Nugget
Footballguy
I'm gonna try to take Marion Barber again.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
:roflmao: Well played.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I'm not ready to reach for the Dallas backfield yet.
