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***Official 2010 IDP NFL Draft Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Jerry Reese just told the reporters on the conference call, "If we can find a good linebacker, we'll draft him."
ADP
Footballguy
Ok, but this doesn't hurt Goldson's value at all right? Just M. Lewis potentially.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I think you've already seen Goldson's ceiling in tackles -- regardless of who plays around him. The SILB and SS spots were shaky, the corners were shaky, the OLB were shaky. If Mays wins the job and takes the right angles, I think he steals tackles from Goldson. Goldson will still be one of the better FS in the league in the box scores though.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
2.52 -- OLB JASON WORILDS -- Pittsburgh Steelers
Steelers nearly always look to replenish the pass rushing pipeline in these rounds and Worilds fits the bill. Bruce Davis isn't working out and James Harrison is older than you might think. Worilds isn't a stud all-around talent, but he's got a lot of pass rush ability (good burst, array of moves) and he's better against the run than he might get credit for. He looks like an Anthony Spencer type talent who will grow into the role over the next couple of season and move into the lineup when needed.
Steelers nearly always look to replenish the pass rushing pipeline in these rounds and Worilds fits the bill. Bruce Davis isn't working out and James Harrison is older than you might think. Worilds isn't a stud all-around talent, but he's got a lot of pass rush ability (good burst, array of moves) and he's better against the run than he might get credit for. He looks like an Anthony Spencer type talent who will grow into the role over the next couple of season and move into the lineup when needed.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
2.53 -- OLB JERMAINE CUNNINGHAM -- New England Patriots
Needs some seasoning as an all-around 3-4 OLB prospect and may never be strong enough in run support or pass coverage to put up the numbers needed for most scoring systems. Will likely be a rotational player for now.
2.54 -- DE CARLOS DUNLAP -- Cincinnati Bengals
Ah, the Bengals. Dunlap has all kinds of talent, but just as many work ethic and off-field concerns. He could fit anywhere along the line as a rotational player and likely will be groomed as the long term LDE if he plays to his potential. Could kick inside on passing downs as well.
Needs some seasoning as an all-around 3-4 OLB prospect and may never be strong enough in run support or pass coverage to put up the numbers needed for most scoring systems. Will likely be a rotational player for now.
2.54 -- DE CARLOS DUNLAP -- Cincinnati Bengals
Ah, the Bengals. Dunlap has all kinds of talent, but just as many work ethic and off-field concerns. He could fit anywhere along the line as a rotational player and likely will be groomed as the long term LDE if he plays to his potential. Could kick inside on passing downs as well.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Sheesh. Any offensive players on the board??
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
2.55 -- ILB SEAN LEE -- Dallas Cowboys
I compared him to Dan Connor in my pre-draft study, but you can make an argument that Lee looks an awful lot like the man he'll eventually replace in Dallas -- Keith Brooking. He's not likely to be stout enough at the point of attack to be a threat to Bradie James and he may prove too limited in coverage to hold an every-down role, but the Cowboys liked him enough to move up to get him. Will be interesting to hear how soon the team thinks he can contribute.
I compared him to Dan Connor in my pre-draft study, but you can make an argument that Lee looks an awful lot like the man he'll eventually replace in Dallas -- Keith Brooking. He's not likely to be stout enough at the point of attack to be a threat to Bradie James and he may prove too limited in coverage to hold an every-down role, but the Cowboys liked him enough to move up to get him. Will be interesting to hear how soon the team thinks he can contribute.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Six of 23 second rounders are offensive players.How exactly are IDP leagues not more popular among fake football freaks??
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm going to start dialing back the profiles a bit. I'll be noting only the most interesting DT and CB at this point and concentrating on followup discussion on some of the bigger names already drafted.
ADP
Footballguy
I know. Even more shocking to me is only 3 WRs have gone thus far. Pass happy league causing double digit DBs to be drafted but only 3 WRs? Wow.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Zimmer confirms on conference call: Dunlap to work at LDE and will possibly play DT on passing downs.
Larry Thomas
Footballguy
I'm very surprised to see Washington drafted by a 3-4 team. Did Zona say he'll play inside?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
2.62 -- ILB BRANDON SPIKES -- New England Patriots
Concerns abound about whether Spikes' 40 time and straight line speed will prevent him from reaching his full potential. This would seem to be a ringing endorsement in Spikes' favor. With Jerod Mayo in the fold, Spikes slots to SILB and it's questionable whether he'll play every down here. If they find a place for him on passing downs, he'll be a nice roster in most leagues.
Concerns abound about whether Spikes' 40 time and straight line speed will prevent him from reaching his full potential. This would seem to be a ringing endorsement in Spikes' favor. With Jerod Mayo in the fold, Spikes slots to SILB and it's questionable whether he'll play every down here. If they find a place for him on passing downs, he'll be a nice roster in most leagues.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I haven't seen anything specific yet, but I would think he's a much better fit at RILB that in an OLB spot in this scheme. Whisenhunt has said he was 12th on the team's board.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
2.63 -- LB PAT ANGERER -- Indianapolis Colts
Interesting fit here. Angerer isn't particularly strong at the point of attack, but he's got good instincts, can pursue well and should do okay in zone coverage. Looks like a good match for a Tampa-2 OLB. Phillip Wheeler is at risk here and Angerer goes on the list of upside prospects if the Colts let Clint Session walk in the future. Don't see him as a clear every-down player here with Gary Brackett and Session locked in, but Session probably ought to look over his shoulder here.
Interesting fit here. Angerer isn't particularly strong at the point of attack, but he's got good instincts, can pursue well and should do okay in zone coverage. Looks like a good match for a Tampa-2 OLB. Phillip Wheeler is at risk here and Angerer goes on the list of upside prospects if the Colts let Clint Session walk in the future. Don't see him as a clear every-down player here with Gary Brackett and Session locked in, but Session probably ought to look over his shoulder here.
Larry Thomas
Footballguy
I agree, just don't see 34 as a fit. He's kinda like D'Qwell Jackson but faster. Not quites as instinctive and doesn't shed as well.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
My impression is that his size is the concern rather than instincts. I think his size can be hidden in a scheme like this next to Hayes and behind Dan Williams.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
CB Jerome Murphy should have a chance to win playing time in St. Louis early. He's knocked for inconsistencies, but he's got the profile (good ball skills, aggressive run supporter) to make a statistical impact if/when he starts.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Via Kurt Somers/Arizona Republic
Whisenhunt on how Washington will be used: "It's hard to find a linebacker who can play all three downs. That's an area we felt we'd like to address, our dime linebacker or our sub-linebacker. That is one of the things he does very well. As far as an every down linebacker, that's what the goal is, but you know us, he has to earn that. But it gives us a good young player who fast, athletic. He will have some contributions on special teams as he works his way into play time."
Whisenhunt on how Washington will be used: "It's hard to find a linebacker who can play all three downs. That's an area we felt we'd like to address, our dime linebacker or our sub-linebacker. That is one of the things he does very well. As far as an every down linebacker, that's what the goal is, but you know us, he has to earn that. But it gives us a good young player who fast, athletic. He will have some contributions on special teams as he works his way into play time."
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
S Morgan Burnett is yet another two-way safety prospect. The Packers liked him enough to trade up for him. With Nick Collins seemingly entrenched at FS, Burnett is probably going to challenge for Atari Bigby's job. It's probably the right fit. Scouts question Burnett's consistency in coverage, although most note that his ball skills are solid. He's got the size and intensity to support the run. Another strong DB prospect.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
DE Alex Carrington should contribute for the Bills at some point. He's a small school guy with good size and strength, but with work to develop into an all-around football talent.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Jaguars and Giants upcoming picks here. We'll find out how interested they are in bringing in an ILB now.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Jags take another penetrating DT prospect with upside in D'Anthony Smith.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
S Major Wright to the Bears. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, here's another two-way safety prospect on his way to a team with a huge need at that position. 2010 could well be remembered as the year of the safety by dynasty IDPers.
Larry Thomas
Footballguy
I didn't mean to imply his instincts are bad. Like you said, he's undersized and will need to be protected.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Giants grab S Chad Jones, yet another projectable safety with size, speed and instincts. Have to wonder what this means for Kenny Phillips, who still insists his rehab is going well. Jones is probably a better fit at SS, and would project there if he starts alongside Antrel Rolle.
kurtrudder
Footballguy
Another Giants pick......another time they pass on a LB......surely this has to be a vote of confidence for Jonathan Goff
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Ted Thompson saying Morgan Burnett will get a chance to play early. Suggests that he'll be an interchangeable player in this scheme and will face tough competition to start but he'll be in the mix.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Major Wright to play free safety, which Lovie Smith feels is a little easier transition for a rookie.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
LB Donald Butler to the Chargers. I really liked his all-around potential and was hoping he'd land in a better spot. Probably not an immediate every-down role available to him, but he deserves close attention through the preseason as a guy who might sneak into a better role this year or next.
kurtrudder
Footballguy
Do you think he projects as a OLB with the Chargers?
Larry Thomas
Footballguy
Larry Thomas
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Interesting Twitter rumors...
Jaguars GM Gene Smith apparently tried hard to move up for LB Sean Lee and couldn't.
Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said an NFC team a few spots behind called and told them they were taking Daryl Washington had he fallen to them. Panthers and Niners were just behind the Cards. Neither team seems like a clear landing spot for Washington, but interesting nonetheless if true.
Jaguars GM Gene Smith apparently tried hard to move up for LB Sean Lee and couldn't.
Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said an NFC team a few spots behind called and told them they were taking Daryl Washington had he fallen to them. Panthers and Niners were just behind the Cards. Neither team seems like a clear landing spot for Washington, but interesting nonetheless if true.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Absolutely. Just noticed that the Chargers dealt a future pick to get him, so there's room to assume that Butler may be seen as a long term answer at the WILB spot. There's certainly been plenty of shuffling there over the past three seasons since Donnie Edwards rode into the sunset.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Bucs currently saying that Lewis will compete for snaps at nickel corner.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Houston's third round selection DT Earl Mitchell has interesting three-technique possibilities and could push Amobi Okoye down the line. DT Corey Peters could do the same in rotation with Jonathan Babineaux in Atlanta.
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Larry Thomas
Footballguy
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
LB Navorro Bowman goes to the Niners. He's not a great fit for SILB or OLB and it's tough to see the team moving Patrick Willis from his playmaking WILB role. It'll be interesting to see what the Niners are thinking long term here.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
LB Rennie Curran to the Titans. He's undersized, but an excellent flow-and-chase type backer and a solid enough player that the Titans will likely be closing the book on Keith Bulluck and could be evidence that the team doesn't think David Thornton will return either. Plenty of OLB options on the roster right now and there may not be an immediate place for Curran, but he's deserves to be on watch lists for the future.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
More TwitterNews to digest tonight...
Jerry Jones says Sean Lee was the 16th rated player on their board and excellent value to come up to get in trade. That would strongly suggest they see him as an every-down backer. He's going to get an opportunity at some point. Wade Phillips all but confirming that they see him as a future replacement for Keith Brooking, comparing the two directly and praising Lee's ability to cover running backs.
When asked if the linebacker class was weak this year, Giants director of scouting said, "I don't want to say that, but for us we didn't have a lot of value there."
Jerry Jones says Sean Lee was the 16th rated player on their board and excellent value to come up to get in trade. That would strongly suggest they see him as an every-down backer. He's going to get an opportunity at some point. Wade Phillips all but confirming that they see him as a future replacement for Keith Brooking, comparing the two directly and praising Lee's ability to cover running backs.
When asked if the linebacker class was weak this year, Giants director of scouting said, "I don't want to say that, but for us we didn't have a lot of value there."
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
so do we have a rankings list the rookie IDPers
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
You guys don't waste any time do you? I'm planning to let tomorrow percolate a little, catch up on some coaching comments, then submit a first set of rankings sometime Sunday.My first thought would be that McClain and Washington hold immediate value at LB, Morgan likely to be the highest rated DL ahead of Graham and Berry ranks a half tier ahead of a huge group of DB potentials. Weatherspoon, Lee and Butler are going to be interesting dynasty targets, and I think every safety drafted thus far could have top 30 potential if things break right.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Mike Singletary saying that Navorro Bowman can play either ILB spot and will start out backing up both positions. Although for different reasons, I'm not sure how Bowman is any better fit for the SILB position than Scott McKillop.
Rodeojones
Footballguy
What is this and what does it do for Curry's value??
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Essentially, it's an old George Siefert term for a player in the 4-3 who was moved all around the line -- sometimes three point stance, sometimes not -- and primarily tasked with rushing the passer. The term sort of fell out of favor I guess after Charles Haley left the Niners, but I think guys like Terrell Suggs could have rightly been termed an elephant in some years.I don't think Curry will be used exclusively in this role. It's more or less a way to get all four linebackers on the field and mask the lack of an impact and depth at DE. The more snaps Curry takes in this role, the less tackle opportunity he'll have and the more pass rush chances he'll get.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
what in the world are the Giants going to do? I think the only solution now is see if the Raiders take a 4th or 5th for Morrison or Howard...
