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Exactly. The idea of him willing the D to play better is a bit of a stretch, but the claim that D will play better and be inspired when they don't have to defend a short field and where the game is kept close is not a stretch at all. Orton's turn overs led directly to several TDs and that is killer and IS demoralizing to the defense.
I think the Chargers were playing the mush rush - assignment football - thinking that's how to contain Tebow as a mobile QB and the read option in general. Works when your QB is a WR, but it doesn't work when the QB is a fullback. He was in there lead blocking on a few of the inside runs. That immediately screws you on the assignment. And when he is passing and you are worried about staying in your lanes, it makes you easier to block on both passing plays and draw runs by the RB.
You are really good at picking and choosing parts of what I typed.I asked, IF THEY WIN A SUPER BOWL will teams copy it? This is a "copycat league," after all, right.
I could see teams wanting to copy aspects of the offense, but obviously not all of it. There is something to the zone read, and I could see other teams with athletic QB's trying to employ it on occasion, but obviously not to the extent that Denver has, Frankly, I don't think Denver wants to use it as much as they have, but until Tebow improves significantly as a passer, this is what they got. And, luckily for Denver, Tebow is making improvements as a passer. They're small and incremental, but they are nonetheless observable.
Sort of like when the Bad Boy Pistons starting winning and now look at the NBA - not a lot of beauty. It could happen. Russell Wilson is smiling.
He doesn't take risks. Any turnover that he has would actually be the fluke more than the other way around. One might actually say his low completion percentage might be partly due to the fact he'd rather put the ball where the defender has no chance while sacrificing his own player's chance at a reception. Also, because his receiver drops a whole bunch of passes and Demaryius Thomas is a big oaf.
well, if they win the super bowl I would assume their offense would have picked it up a lot from right now
you are saying any turnovers are flukes? he has fumbled twice already and you have to expect a couple more just from running a guy so much. everyone agrees he is probably the most inaccurate QB in the NFL. you think he can control his inaccuracy enough to avoid defenders on every play?
I think it's a bit disingenuous to count the OT period.1) time left on the clock, probably no extra scores, but you never know the way that D is playing.2) They had a 1st and 10 from the redzone and set up for a FG. That 3 could have been 7 or 3.26 offensive points in 2 games or 23 offensive points in 2 games except OT would have made your point without playing with the stats..
Not many people with the talent of Tebow who ranks among the best of all time in college.
Ya, but the same could be said that if Denver actually sticks to an offensive game plan that they are running now and they too will have a full off season to tweak and make it better.If Tebow can continue to progress as a passer, he actually can have a very solid NFL career. They won't have to run the option so much.
Until the front office wises up and puts Tebow in there on defense as well
Sure, but lets keep it in perspective both ways. Before Tebow took over we were discussing whether Denver would draft 1st overall or just top 5. Now you are making a short list of teams that would beat them.
Good point. Bit the broncos will have a full offseason too. Trent Richardson would be a great addition.
Tebow is not going to be a Bronco next year unless he improves considerably in the passing game before the season is over. Elway and Fox would need to build a team around his strengths and they will not be willing to do that.
The fans will revolt. Not sure how you get rid of a guy who wins.
That's a really good point. If for nothing else; can you really find a "back-up" QB to run the same type of offense in the event Tebow gets hurt?
There is always some reason why Tebow won't win games. It will be they played against a crappy team or they played against a crappy defense or this and that.Tebow has a long ways to go. But there are plenty of QB's that will lose to a team like the Patriots, Saints, and Packers because they can score a lot of points.
I'm saying it's more likely to be a fluke turnover than a turnover because of a Tebow mistake like a dropped pass by a receiver that gets intercepted. He's made it through 5 of his 6 starts without turning the ball over and I can't remember a single pass that was dropped by a defender. I think he can control the location of his balls to avoid interceptions like on a go route throwing it a little bit further than he should or on an out, throwing it a little further ahead of the receiver or on a comeback or curl, throwing it a little lower. I'm not saying it's a good thing but I think his fear of throwing an interception is a big reason he's been so inaccurate and also why he's only thrown 1 interception in 143 attempts.
Not to mention only 2 teams in the AFC this season. I'd be shocked if Denver makes the playoffs, but it's pretty impressive that they're even alive 11 games into the season.If we say the top 6 teams in the AFC are New England, Pitt, Baltimore, Oakland and Houston with the 6th being the Jets/Cincy/Tenn? Denver can certainly get hot with their schedule and get to that 6th spot which seems pretty wide open. Especially with the tiebreaker over Cincy and the Jets if it comes to that.
Do Paper Tigers win on the Road??? Since all Tebow and the Broncos have done is won 4 games on the road during this stretch? Say what you want , but winning on the road is not easy ask Baltimore!!!
If it were my choice I wouldn't trade him but it's not, it's Elway's. Elway said the starting QB for next year isn't on the roster and I believe him. The only way that changes is if Tebow makes big improvements.
Nobody knew how good the Denver defense would be. It's actually very very good. Good enough to make up for Tebow's shortcomings against the teams that struggle to score.
Not when Orton was QB. First five games of the season they were considered one of the 5 worst defenses. It became better when the offense stopped giving up the short field, starting taking the lead in time of possession and stopped turning the ball over.A team is a unit. It all works together and the defense is feeding on the success of the offense.Nobody knew how good the Denver defense would be. It's actually very very good. Good enough to make up for Tebow's shortcomings against the teams that struggle to score.
I'm pretty sure the Raiders and Chargers both score points, and they both lost at home to the Broncos in the last month.
So Denver is not in the elite class of the NFL yet. I think we can agree on that. Not sure what Houston pre-injury has anything to do with the rest of the season. Or why Pittsburgh, which is 19th in the league in scoring points and currently struggling to score on a bad KC team (and struggled vs Indy and Jax) is listed as one of these supposedly unbeatable offensive forces, either. But let's just go ahead and ride this one out and see what happens before we start jumping to conclusions and assuming that Tebow will "NEVER" get Denver to where it wants to go. FWIW, logic probably says they lose most of the games they played this past month too...We'll see where it goes, but right now it's looking better than a few weeks back at 1-4.
San Diego was putrid on offense today. They had several opportunities to score points in overtime, but couldn't sustain a drive. The real story of Denver's lucky run is their defense and the ineptitude of their opponents, not Tebow. Denver's offense has been totally mediocre, but they have been winning games because their defense has kept the score low. That's partially because their schedule has been easy. Detroit (who killed them) is the only team they have faced recently who ranks in the top 10 in the league in points per game. The others are:San Diego - 13thOakland - 15thNew York - 16thMiami - 22ndKansas City - 28thDenver's style won't work against teams that can score 20+ points with ease. As soon as Tebow is forced to carry the team, he will be exposed as the liability that he is. People are being way too results-oriented and not looking closely at the performances. He's been struggling mightily in the passing game despite an ultra conservative gameplan that calls for fewer passing attempts per game than any other team in the league. He will be exposed sooner or later and is unlikely to even be a starter in the league two years from now barring massive improvements as a passer.
Tim is a Steelers fan is why.
Did Tebow cause Sanchez and Rivers to play like crap against Denver? The Broncos don't win those games if either of those quarterbacks plays a decent game. Those wins have very little to do with Tebow and a lot to do with Denver's defense and the struggles of their opponents. It's not like Tebow is leading the offense to 25+ points every game. He's playing very average football and winning because nobody is scoring on his defense.
Not to take anything away from the Broncos defense but having an offense that rarely, if ever, turns the ball over is helpful. I'd be interested to see how many points off of Orton turnovers vs Tebow turnovers the Broncos defense has given up this year.
San Diego was scoring 23.6 points per game prior to today. Today is the only 2nd game this season where they scored less than 20.But feel free to keep giving no credit to the Broncos defense.
I'll say one thing about Denver Vs NE. Its proven that if you can consistently get to Brady and dirty the pocket they are a much different team .
That probably explains why Pitt was listed as a juggernaut and Baltimore was left off the list.
I made a mistake; New Orleans should have been on the list. Right now I think Baltimore is a better overall team than Pittsburgh (it pains me to write that) but they are not one of the offensively prolific teams. Pittsburgh has been one, prior to tonight's game, which is anomaly. But my point remains. I don't think that Denver can hang with any team that doesn't already struggle to score. I don't think Denver is causing these struggles, because every one of the teams they've beaten on this run is struggling to score against every opponent. Can Denver win a game or two against one of the better offenses? Of course, football is a short sample. But they won't consistently do so with Tebow at the helm. And that's why I don't believe he is a long term answer at the position. It's a great story for this year. I think they have a reasonable shot to get to the playoffs given their schedule. But they had still better draft or secure a long term answer at quarterback in the offseason. If they don't, they will regret it.
Couple thoughts.1. Ball control, winning the turnover battle and controlling the clock HELPS THE DEFENSE. Scottenheimer, Chuck Knoll, Bum Phillips, etc.; this is basic. Tebow excells at all three things better than almost anyone in the game right now (and by anyomne I include RBs because I cannot think another QB who gets 22 CARRIES in a game (the most by a QB since 19-freakin-50)).
The Broncos gave up 34 points off of 9 Orton turnovers in 4 1/2 games or 7.56 points a game.The Broncos have given up 7 points off of 2 Tebow turnovers in 6 1/2 games or 1.08 points a game.So, for those that wonder how Tebow has made the defense better, that's how.
No, no. A few posters already said this was crazy talk.So that's that.
Great posting.
