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Updated through: 18.16 Waiting on 4 skipped picks

menobrown

QB: Chad Henne , Alex Smith

RB: Chris Johnson , Felix Jones , Ben Tate , Fred Jackson

WR: Sidney Rice , Jeremy Maclin , Johnny Knox , Malcolm Floyd , Nate Washington , Donte Stallworth

TE: Jermichael Finley , Zach Miller

PK: Robbie Gould , Matt Prater

DEF: Green Bay Packers , Chicago Bears

Stinkin Ref

QB: Kevin Kolb , Matt Cassell

RB: Adrian Peterson , Jahvid Best , LaDanian Tomlinson , Toby Gerhart , Corell Buckhalter

WR: Steve Smith , Vincent Jackson , Devin Aromashodu , Terrell Owens , Mario Manningham , Leegudu Naanee

TE: Jeremy Shockey , Tony Scheffler

PK: Olindo Mare

DEF: Indianapolis Colts , Tampa Bay Bucaneers

Yellow Line is Unofficial

QB: Matt Stafford , Jake Delhomme

RB: Frank Gore , Beanie Wells , Ahmad Bradshaw , Darren McFadden , Ryan Torain

WR: Greg Jennings , Dez Bryant , Jabar Gaffney , Chaz Schillens , Earl Bennett , Sammie Stroughter

TE: Chris Cooley , Brandon Pettigrew

PK: Neil Rackers

DEF: Baltimore Ravens , Jacksonville Jaguars

Crippler

QB: Phillip Rivers , Ben Roethlisberger

RB: LeSean McCoy , Matt Forte , Thomas Jones , Kevin Smith

WR: Andre Johnson , Anquan Boldin , Steve Breaston , Donnie Avery , James Jones , Jarrett Dillard

TE: Dustin Keller , Jermaie Gresham

PK: Ryan Succop , Nick Folks

DEF: Pittsburgh Steelers , Washington Redskins

Teamramrod Need 2 picks

QB: Tom Brady , Trent Edwards

RB: Ray Rice , Cadillac Williams , Aaron Brown

WR: Michael Crabtree , Dwayne Bowe , Nate Burleson , Josh Morgan , Kevin Ogletree

TE: Visanthe Shiancoe , Heath Miller

PK: Garrett Hartley , Jason Hansen

DEF: San Francisco 49ers , New Orleans Saints

Ruffyrodys05

QB: Joe Flacco , Matt Moore

RB: Maurice Jones Drew , Ryan Matthews , Steve Slaton , Jerious Norwood

WR: Marques Colston , Percy Harvin , Derrick Mason , Kevin Walter , Jason Avant

TE: John Carlson , Bo Scaife , Tony Moeaki

PK: Lawrence Tynes , Joe Nedney

DEF: Tennessee Titans , Carolina Panthers

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan , David Garrard

RB: Ryan Grant , Clinton Portis , Willis McGahee , Jonathan Dwyer

WR: Larry Fitzgerald , DeSean Jackson , Santana Moss , Santonio Holmes , Brian Hartline , Anthony Gonzalez

TE: Owen Daniels , Anthony Fasano

PK: Jay Feely , David Buehler

DEF: San Diego Chargers , Buffalo Bills

HellToupee Need 1 Pick

QB: Matt Schaub , Jay Cutler

RB: Rashard Mendenhall , Montario Hardesty , Leon Washington , Larry Johnson

WR: Hakeem Nicks , Kenny Britt , Chris Chambers , Wes Welker , Austin Collie , Josh Cribs

TE: Vernon Davis , Aaron Hernandez

PK: David Akers , Graham Gano

DEF: Arizona Cardinals , Kansas City Chiefs

RC94

QB: Donovan McNabb , Matt Hasselback , Charlie Whitehurst

RB: Steven Jackson , Knowshon Moreno , Brandon Jacobs , Justin Forsett

WR: Roddy White , Braylon Edwards , Mike Thomas , Davone Bess , Louis Murphy , Malcolm Kelly

TE: Zach Miller , Todd Heap

PK: John Kasay

DEF: Denver Broncos , Oakland Raiders

beachbum

QB: Eli Manning , Jason Campbell

RB: Pierre Thomas , Marion Barber , Tashard Choice , Leonard Weaver , Lynell Hamilton , Maurice Maurice

WR: Miles Austin , Brandon Marshall , Pierre Garcon , Julian Edelman

TE: Kevin Boss , Fred Davis

PK: Ryan Lindell , Josh Scobee

DEF: Cincinnati Bengals , Miami Dolphins

The Future Champs Need 1 Pick

QB: Mark Sanchez , Vince Young , Sam Bradford

RB: Jamaal Charles , Joseph Addai , Laurence Maroney , Darren Sproles , Derrick Ward

WR: Reggie Wayne , Donald Driver , Eddie Royal , Jacoby Jones , Matt Jones

TE: Jason Witten

PK: Ryan Longwell , Sebastian Janikowski

DEF: New York Giants , Cleveland Browns

tex

QB: Tony Romo , Kyle Orton

RB: Cedric Benson , Reggie Bush , Laurence Maroney , Mike Bell

WR: Hines Ward , Lee Evans , Jericho Cotchery , Devin Thomnas , Demaryous Thomas , Bernard Berrian

TE: Dallas Clark , Ben Watson

PK: Adam Vinateri , Josh Brown

DEF: Atlanta Falcons , Seattle Seahawks

bostonfred

QB: Peyton Manning

RB: Ronnie Brown , Ricky Williams , Tim Hightower , Brian Westbrook , Jason Snelling

WR: Steve Smith , Mike Sims Walker , Robert Meachem , Devery Henderson , Lance Moore , Laurent Robinson

TE: Antonio Gates , Greg Olson

PK: Stephen Gostowski , Shayne Graham

DEF: New York Jets , St Louis Rams

Nugget

QB: Drew Brees , Carson Palmer

RB: Michael Turner , Shonn Greene , Jerome Harrison , Kevin Faulk

WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh , Antonio Bryant , Arrelious Benn , Roy Williams , Early Doucet , Antwaan Randle El

TE: Tony Gonzalez , Shawn Nelson

PK: Rob Bironas , Mason Crosby

DEF: Minnesota Vikings , Detroit Lions

Jason Wood

QB: Aaron Rodgers , Josh Freeman

RB: DeAngelo Williams , Chester Taylor , LenDale White , Michael Bush

WR: Chad Ochocinco , Mike Wallace , Golden Tate , Dexter McCluster , Tory Holt , Brian Robiskie

TE: Kellen Winsow , Daniel Fells

PK: Nate Kaeding , Dan Carpenter

DEF: Philadelphia Eagles , New Englans Patriots

jeter23

QB: Brett Favre , Matt Leinart

RB: Jonathan Stewart , CJ Spiller , Donald Brown , Marshawn Lynch , Javon Ringer

WR: Randy Moss , Calvin Johnson , Devin Hester , Mohammad Massaquoi , Mike Williams , Jordy Nelson

TE: Brent Celek , Jared Cook

PK: Jeff Reed

DEF: Dallas Cowboys , Houston Texans

Yellow Line is Unoffcial said:

1.3 Frank Gore RB SF

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teamramrod was just handed a gift.............will it spill into my pick?...........doubt it!

Ruffrodys05 said:

teamramrod was just handed a gift.............will it spill into my pick?...........doubt it!

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Didn't think it was at all possible, but....

Ruffrodys05 said:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, JAC

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No way....!!!!!!

I thought I was drinking heavily tonight, but I guess I didn't overtake the Yellow Line.

What we have learned - ADP is out the window. Good drafting fellas.

I am offline until 1 or 2 PM. I doubt we will be there then, but just saying...

Peace

The #4 spot was a crap place for me to be. In a league where I could have traded down, I would love the spot and I would have moved down for sure. I wanted the WR in the end as I see so many RB's worth having these days. WR not so sure of.

Glad our draft was different than the rest

teamramrod said:

I am offline until 1 or 2 PM. I doubt we will be there then, but just saying...Peace

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nutting to worry about i see......peace

beachbum said:

1.10 MILES AUSTIN

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Really, I just don't understand the thinking here.......Austin?.......at WR3 overall? Honestly, I can see Austin finishing in the top 10 or maybe just a little higher, but no way do I think he could finish in the top three. His ADP at this point is 1.15/WR5. Even these numbers are too high for my tastes. There have been 12 survivor drafts thus far and in each and every one of them I think he was a reach for everyone who drafted him. Earliest he went off the board was right here at 1.10/WR3, the latest - 2.07/WR7. That selection at 2.07/WR7 is probably the only one that will turn out to be a value pick. I'm really having a hard time envisioning Austin finishing as high as WR7, but I suppose it's possible. WR5 or better? I just don't see it happening.

Ruffrodys05 said:

beachbum said:

1.10 MILES AUSTIN

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Really, I just don't understand the thinking here.......Austin?.......at WR3 overall? Honestly, I can see Austin finishing in the top 10 or maybe just a little higher, but no way do I think he could finish in the top three. His ADP at this point is 1.15/WR5. Even these numbers are too high for my tastes. There have been 12 survivor drafts thus far and in each and every one of them I think he was a reach for everyone who drafted him. Earliest he went off the board was right here at 1.10/WR3, the latest - 2.07/WR7. That selection at 2.07/WR7 is probably the only one that will turn out to be a value pick. I'm really having a hard time envisioning Austin finishing as high as WR7, but I suppose it's possible. WR5 or better? I just don't see it happening.

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How far back do you think he will finish? It's not about taking the WR3 off the board and then having him end up WR3...never works that way. Sometimes owners value safety over ceiling. And in this format, if the guy you want in round 1 won't be there in the next round and you are locked in on him(problem) then he is in play.EBF is getting heat for Crabtree but he was never gonna be there on the 4/5 turn so he took him on the 2/3 turn instead. It's not our team, it's his, and he obviously got the guy he wanted. I find Mendenhall to be the real absurd 1st rounder this year...not even sure where this is coming from. I have him barely cracking my top15, and he has a horrible OL that probably drafted their best guy, a rookie. Big Ben is out 4 weeks...teams won't stack the box against Leftwich/Dixon/Batch

Ruffrodys05 said:

beachbum said:

1.10 MILES AUSTIN

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Really, I just don't understand the thinking here.......Austin?.......at WR3 overall? Honestly, I can see Austin finishing in the top 10 or maybe just a little higher, but no way do I think he could finish in the top three. His ADP at this point is 1.15/WR5. Even these numbers are too high for my tastes. There have been 12 survivor drafts thus far and in each and every one of them I think he was a reach for everyone who drafted him. Earliest he went off the board was right here at 1.10/WR3, the latest - 2.07/WR7. That selection at 2.07/WR7 is probably the only one that will turn out to be a value pick. I'm really having a hard time envisioning Austin finishing as high as WR7, but I suppose it's possible. WR5 or better? I just don't see it happening.

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It's a matter of taste. I'm sure there are 15 players in this league who think I am crazy to have taken Gore ahead of Rice and MJD. I think he will outperfom them this year. I was involved in a 12 team $150 per person redraft a couple of days ago and Austin went at 1.06 and was WR3.Color Draftboard

Someone available for a list? I'm off for the evening. Let me know.

Ministry of Pain said:

How far back do you think he will finish? It's not about taking the WR3 off the board and then having him end up WR3...never works that way.

Sometimes owners value safety over ceiling. And in this format, if the guy you want in round 1 won't be there in the next round and you are locked in on him(problem) then he is in play.

EBF is getting heat for Crabtree but he was never gonna be there on the 4/5 turn so he took him on the 2/3 turn instead. It's not our team, it's his, and he obviously got the guy he wanted.

I find Mendenhall to be the real absurd 1st rounder this year...not even sure where this is coming from. I have him barely cracking my top15, and he has a horrible OL that probably drafted their best guy, a rookie.

Big Ben is out 4 weeks...teams won't stack the box against Leftwich/Dixon/Batch

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Well, I have 13 WR's ranked ahead of Austin right now. I think his ceiling is WR10 but I think he will finish right around WR14/WR15, which is lower than what most experts think. I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to Austin. Also, I don't think Bryant makes a dent in Austin's numbers, so I haven't downgraded him at all yet, it's just that I don't see him anywhere near top 5 and that's where he is going. I agree that if there is a player you want and you are sure he won't last, then you have to take him. Not questioning that philosophy/strategy at all. I do it too. I also understand that value is subjective in the eye of the beholder. Just wondering if the love for Austin isn't just a little bit of the herd mentality showing itself as his ADP has continued to go up in each successive round of survivors. Do you guys really think he is going to be a top 5 WR? Or, are you just following along with the herd and drafting him early because that's near where he went previously? I guess this is what I really want to know.

Nugget said:

Someone available for a list? I'm off for the evening. Let me know.

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Send away

Dont worry Ruff. I love the Miles Austin pick. He is someone that I wont touch at his value and thus it drops someone else to me. Same goes with Mendy as He is also overrated. So many 3rd/4th round RB's I think is way better value in the end.

Keep them going boys

Ruffrodys05 said:

Ministry of Pain said:

How far back do you think he will finish? It's not about taking the WR3 off the board and then having him end up WR3...never works that way.

Sometimes owners value safety over ceiling. And in this format, if the guy you want in round 1 won't be there in the next round and you are locked in on him(problem) then he is in play.

EBF is getting heat for Crabtree but he was never gonna be there on the 4/5 turn so he took him on the 2/3 turn instead. It's not our team, it's his, and he obviously got the guy he wanted.

I find Mendenhall to be the real absurd 1st rounder this year...not even sure where this is coming from. I have him barely cracking my top15, and he has a horrible OL that probably drafted their best guy, a rookie.

Big Ben is out 4 weeks...teams won't stack the box against Leftwich/Dixon/Batch

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Well, I have 13 WR's ranked ahead of Austin right now. I think his ceiling is WR10 but I think he will finish right around WR14/WR15, which is lower than what most experts think. I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to Austin. Also, I don't think Bryant makes a dent in Austin's numbers, so I haven't downgraded him at all yet, it's just that I don't see him anywhere near top 5 and that's where he is going. I agree that if there is a player you want and you are sure he won't last, then you have to take him. Not questioning that philosophy/strategy at all. I do it too. I also understand that value is subjective in the eye of the beholder. Just wondering if the love for Austin isn't just a little bit of the herd mentality showing itself as his ADP has continued to go up in each successive round of survivors. Do you guys really think he is going to be a top 5 WR? Or, are you just following along with the herd and drafting him early because that's near where he went previously? I guess this is what I really want to know.

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When was the last season that the WR1 in Dallas wasn't top10? When was the last time a Dallas WR1 did not hit double digit Tds?

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When was the last season that the WR1 in Dallas wasn't top10? When was the last time a Dallas WR1 did not hit double digit Tds?

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I don't know the answers to either of those questions.I just think there will be 9 - 14 other WR's with better fantasy seasons than Austin in 2010. I could be wrong, but that is what I think.

Ministry of Pain said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

beachbum said:

1.10 MILES AUSTIN

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Really, I just don't understand the thinking here.......Austin?.......at WR3 overall? Honestly, I can see Austin finishing in the top 10 or maybe just a little higher, but no way do I think he could finish in the top three. His ADP at this point is 1.15/WR5. Even these numbers are too high for my tastes. There have been 12 survivor drafts thus far and in each and every one of them I think he was a reach for everyone who drafted him. Earliest he went off the board was right here at 1.10/WR3, the latest - 2.07/WR7. That selection at 2.07/WR7 is probably the only one that will turn out to be a value pick. I'm really having a hard time envisioning Austin finishing as high as WR7, but I suppose it's possible. WR5 or better? I just don't see it happening.

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How far back do you think he will finish? It's not about taking the WR3 off the board and then having him end up WR3...never works that way.EBF is getting heat for Crabtree but he was never gonna be there on the 4/5 turn so he took him on the 2/3 turn instead. I find Mendenhall to be the real absurd 1st rounder this year...not even sure where this is coming from. I have him barely cracking my top15, and he has a horrible OL that probably drafted their best guy, a rookie. Big Ben is out 4 weeks...teams won't stack the box against Leftwich/Dixon/Batch

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I have Mendenhall in my 2nd tier of backs after the top 4 with my 5-8 RBs. I didn't want to chance him falling to me in the 2nd. SJax isn't going to see a stacked box tame in & out???

HellToupee said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

beachbum said:

1.10 MILES AUSTIN

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Really, I just don't understand the thinking here.......Austin?.......at WR3 overall? Honestly, I can see Austin finishing in the top 10 or maybe just a little higher, but no way do I think he could finish in the top three. His ADP at this point is 1.15/WR5. Even these numbers are too high for my tastes. There have been 12 survivor drafts thus far and in each and every one of them I think he was a reach for everyone who drafted him. Earliest he went off the board was right here at 1.10/WR3, the latest - 2.07/WR7. That selection at 2.07/WR7 is probably the only one that will turn out to be a value pick. I'm really having a hard time envisioning Austin finishing as high as WR7, but I suppose it's possible. WR5 or better? I just don't see it happening.

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How far back do you think he will finish? It's not about taking the WR3 off the board and then having him end up WR3...never works that way.EBF is getting heat for Crabtree but he was never gonna be there on the 4/5 turn so he took him on the 2/3 turn instead. I find Mendenhall to be the real absurd 1st rounder this year...not even sure where this is coming from. I have him barely cracking my top15, and he has a horrible OL that probably drafted their best guy, a rookie. Big Ben is out 4 weeks...teams won't stack the box against Leftwich/Dixon/Batch

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I have Mendenhall in my 2nd tier of backs after the top 4 with my 5-8 RBs. I didn't want to chance him falling to me in the 2nd. SJax isn't going to see a stacked box tame in & out???

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How many times has SJax scraped together a decent season with terrible line play and no passing game behind him? At least a couple, Mendy is unproven to me and I feel Pitt is probably a 6-8 win team this year tops with the Ben fiasco and everything that has gone along with it. Everyone is high on Wallace to fill in the WR2 spot but last season he was running wide open because of Ward, Holmes, and Miller out in patterns. WHo are you going to leave alone to stick a decent DB on Wallace? It will be something if he can replicate himself this year.Just not a Pitt fan right now HT, sorry.

I'm trying something I've never done before in these survivor leagues, but it's honestly where I think the value is. Barring some last minute plan by Nugget to back up Brees with Manning in the second round, I'm starting with Gates and Manning. I usually hate teams that do this, so it's not without some hesitation, but the big thing I'm seeing is that the RB talent goes deep this year, and the tier one WRs are starting to get thin even by the end of the first round. This was the only way for me to lock up tier one players at two positions, and it basically gives me an extra seventh rounder to use on RB/WR, because I won't be spending a pick on a backup QB until later, and I won't be using that pick on a backup TE, either. I start out with a huge advantage at two positions, but I will be middle of the pack at best at running back, and will probably have one of the worst sets of receivers in the league. And to pay for this priviledge, I've locked myself in from a value perspective, because I can't take BPA. But I've been looking at when the runs occur on various positions so far this year, and it seems very likely that two backs or receivers that I have in a similar tier to the RB/WR options I had here will slide to the 45/52 turn for me.

I have never believed that this is the best way to build a team, but it's a chance to try something different, and if nothing else, it will force me to take a different look at the later round RBs and WRs looking for guys who may have to start for me.

Interesting that tex went Dallas Clark/Tony Romo right after me, so we now have two QB/TE teams. I guess I'm glad it's the guy who picks before me instead of after me in the first.

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Interesting that tex went Dallas Clark/Tony Romo right after me, so we now have two QB/TE teams. I guess I'm glad it's the guy who picks before me instead of after me in the first.

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If I had more time to plan ahead, I'd have taken Turner or DeAngelo to pair with Witten later. In the PDSL draft I went WR-WR-QB-RB-RB and that worked ok. Not sure about a WR-TE start though.....

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Interesting that tex went Dallas Clark/Tony Romo right after me, so we now have two QB/TE teams. I guess I'm glad it's the guy who picks before me instead of after me in the first.

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Clark was planned unless someone else had slipped through the crack to me at 1.12. At 2.5 I didn't really care for the RB value there. I wanted Rodgers or Peyton but they both went right before me. Almost went WR and even thought for a minute about going TE again but decided Romo was the better choice vs. waiting on a 2nd or even 3rd tier QB in the 3rd or 4th round. Just trying to maximize value, and I can't see Romo finishing out of the top 4 as long as he stay healthy.

Deranged Hermit said:

bostonfred said:

Interesting that tex went Dallas Clark/Tony Romo right after me, so we now have two QB/TE teams. I guess I'm glad it's the guy who picks before me instead of after me in the first.

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If I had more time to plan ahead, I'd have taken Turner or DeAngelo to pair with Witten later. In the PDSL draft I went WR-WR-QB-RB-RB and that worked ok. Not sure about a WR-TE start though.....

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Witten would not have been have been there had DeAngelo and Turner been gone.

Thanks Jeter for the pick. Glad we could keep this thing moving.

Peace

Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Just off hand, I'd say it goes until bye week #10.

Toads said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Just off hand, I'd say it goes until bye week #10.

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Yeah, it's early and I'm not concerned. Too many other spots to fill before I get worried about week 10. I had a WR in mind for 3.06, but felt the value for Mathews was too great to pass up and there are 20 picks before my next, so he wasn't getting back to me. I knew about the bye issue, but chose to ignore it for now. That WR I was looking at just might slip all the way back to me..........just don't know for sure and I'm gambling that he might. Of course, I have a back-up plan.But in the end, you are right Toads, week 10 could be my downfall if this team gets that far.

Thanks for the tumbleweed!!!

One other note: If it hadn't been for Yellow and Crippler veering off the beaten path, my draft would look so much different. No way in helluva did I think MJD or Rice would slide to me. I saw that 6-slot and figured I'd be going WR with my first pick. My draft took a completely different route than the one I expected. That is why these survivors are so much fun and enlightening.

Ruffrodys05 said:

Toads said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Just off hand, I'd say it goes until bye week #10.

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Yeah, it's early and I'm not concerned. Too many other spots to fill before I get worried about week 10. I had a WR in mind for 3.06, but felt the value for Mathews was too great to pass up and there are 20 picks before my next, so he wasn't getting back to me. I knew about the bye issue, but chose to ignore it for now. That WR I was looking at just might slip all the way back to me..........just don't know for sure and I'm gambling that he might. Of course, I have a back-up plan.But in the end, you are right Toads, week 10 could be my downfall if this team gets that far.

Thanks for the tumbleweed!!!

One other note: If it hadn't been for Yellow and Crippler veering off the beaten path, my draft would look so much different. No way in helluva did I think MJD or Rice would slide to me. I saw that 6-slot and figured I'd be going WR with my first pick. My draft took a completely different route than the one I expected. That is why these survivors are so much fun and enlightening.

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How can you say that the value for Mathews was too great? I don't think he will come close to being a Top 10 RB, and that is were he would have to perform in order to just be equal value for his draft slot. I understand getting guys that you like/want, but I don't think that there is any way that you could possibly say that he was value. At best he was a stretch, and will perform solid RB2 numbers for you. But considering it is a 16 team league and you took him at #10, he should be outperfroming alot of the RB1s on other teams.

If you want to state that this is the guy that you wanted and that is why you drafted him, then I understand it. But you can't try to validate it by saying that it was value. Although I do agree that he would not have gotten back to you.

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How can you say that the value for Mathews was too great? I don't think he will come close to being a Top 10 RB, and that is were he would have to perform in order to just be equal value for his draft slot. I understand getting guys that you like/want, but I don't think that there is any way that you could possibly say that he was value. At best he was a stretch, and will perform solid RB2 numbers for you. But considering it is a 16 team league and you took him at #10, he should be outperfroming alot of the RB1s on other teams.If you want to state that this is the guy that you wanted and that is why you drafted him, then I understand it. But you can't try to validate it by saying that it was value. Although I do agree that he would not have gotten back to you.

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I think Mathews will be a top 10 RB this year in SSL's. And yes, I did want him and knew he wouldn't get back to me. It's okay to disagree, as you well know we do disagree at times.

Domination said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

Toads said:

Ruffrodys05 said:

Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Just off hand, I'd say it goes until bye week #10.

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Yeah, it's early and I'm not concerned. Too many other spots to fill before I get worried about week 10. I had a WR in mind for 3.06, but felt the value for Mathews was too great to pass up and there are 20 picks before my next, so he wasn't getting back to me. I knew about the bye issue, but chose to ignore it for now. That WR I was looking at just might slip all the way back to me..........just don't know for sure and I'm gambling that he might. Of course, I have a back-up plan.But in the end, you are right Toads, week 10 could be my downfall if this team gets that far.

Thanks for the tumbleweed!!!

One other note: If it hadn't been for Yellow and Crippler veering off the beaten path, my draft would look so much different. No way in helluva did I think MJD or Rice would slide to me. I saw that 6-slot and figured I'd be going WR with my first pick. My draft took a completely different route than the one I expected. That is why these survivors are so much fun and enlightening.

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How can you say that the value for Mathews was too great? I don't think he will come close to being a Top 10 RB, and that is were he would have to perform in order to just be equal value for his draft slot. I understand getting guys that you like/want, but I don't think that there is any way that you could possibly say that he was value. At best he was a stretch, and will perform solid RB2 numbers for you. But considering it is a 16 team league and you took him at #10, he should be outperfroming alot of the RB1s on other teams.

If you want to state that this is the guy that you wanted and that is why you drafted him, then I understand it. But you can't try to validate it by saying that it was value. Although I do agree that he would not have gotten back to you.

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I almost took him at 3.02 instead of VJax.....I think he has an excellent chance to land in the top 10 and these would have been my reasons....1. he is very talented

2. SD did not bring anybody else in when there were guys they could have gone after (Lynch, TJ, etc)...I think he was in SD sights long before the draft......

3. there is nobody else on the roster currently to steal carries.....Sproles will just be Sproles

4. they moved up big time and used a high draft pick on him....they will give him the rock

5. their schedule looks very nice.....very very nice.....AFC west and NFC west...

6. this offense is potent and he will probably get all the goaline looks when they do chose to run

7. the way SD throws the ball, he will have some space when they do run

8. I think he has more "upside" than most of the other RB left on the board at this point....will the guys taken after him really blow him away....I don't think so....

only downside I see is the late bye.....with a rookie RB I would have liked to have maybe seen an earlier bye to give him a chance to get a break and catch his second wind as sometimes we have maybe seen a rookie "hit the wall"....never really understood what exactly that meant, but I guess there is some evidence of it somewhere....however the late bye gives you 9 weeks of his production right off the bat to chose from as you try to knock off the other 15 teams.....and maybe really it is a good time for the bye because maybe that is when he would really be hitting that wall......Ruff will have his RB2 and WR1 available through all of the bye weeks, especially the big ones in week 8 and week 9, and MJD for the 1st 8 weeks.....by the time week 10 comes around some of the carnage will have been left behind.....and if he gets immunity in week 10 look out...although that may be hard to do with MJD off in week 9....



main reason I didn't pull the trigger on him was because of the start 3 WR thing and the two less roster spots in this format

This was a tough decision for me starting with a qb and a te. I knew there would be decent backs in the third but I also knew there would be a run forming here. With a lot of non rb picks in the late first and early second I know the run will continue but I feel like steve smith is a better value in ppr than the receivers I will be able to get later and if I go rb/wr or wr/wr here I can take whatever I want at 5/6, while if I go rb/rb I will be forced to take a wr regardless of the available value. I think four to six backs will go in the next six picks before I go again, so a fourth round back will probably be from a much thinner pool, but after that I think the rb run dies down a little. Or at least I hope it does

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Ruffrodys05 said:

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Ruffrodys05 said:

Ruffrodys:

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

Decent start, we'll see where it goes from here.

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Just off hand, I'd say it goes until bye week #10.

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Yeah, it's early and I'm not concerned. Too many other spots to fill before I get worried about week 10. I had a WR in mind for 3.06, but felt the value for Mathews was too great to pass up and there are 20 picks before my next, so he wasn't getting back to me. I knew about the bye issue, but chose to ignore it for now. That WR I was looking at just might slip all the way back to me..........just don't know for sure and I'm gambling that he might. Of course, I have a back-up plan.But in the end, you are right Toads, week 10 could be my downfall if this team gets that far.

Thanks for the tumbleweed!!!

One other note: If it hadn't been for Yellow and Crippler veering off the beaten path, my draft would look so much different. No way in helluva did I think MJD or Rice would slide to me. I saw that 6-slot and figured I'd be going WR with my first pick. My draft took a completely different route than the one I expected. That is why these survivors are so much fun and enlightening.

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How can you say that the value for Mathews was too great? I don't think he will come close to being a Top 10 RB, and that is were he would have to perform in order to just be equal value for his draft slot. I understand getting guys that you like/want, but I don't think that there is any way that you could possibly say that he was value. At best he was a stretch, and will perform solid RB2 numbers for you. But considering it is a 16 team league and you took him at #10, he should be outperfroming alot of the RB1s on other teams.

If you want to state that this is the guy that you wanted and that is why you drafted him, then I understand it. But you can't try to validate it by saying that it was value. Although I do agree that he would not have gotten back to you.

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I agree with this and dont see much difference between this and Austin Miles who Ruff could not believe was taken. All about who you like and I also dont think Matthews comes nears to RB10 behind that OL and there ability to run block in the end.

It's exactly the same. Most everyone else doesn't agree with me on where I rank certain players. I don't have Austin as high as many others do, and I have Mathews higher than many others do. The only difference with the two players, and the situations of drafting them so high, is that Austin is coming off a season of NFL stats and Mathews is not.

In bringing up the Austin discussion my intent was to try to understand the high ranking of Austin as I did not have him ranked high, it wasn't that I couldn't believe him being taken there. He was going too high for my tastes in every draft. Some opinions were posted that helped me understand the thinking behind Austin's ranking.

Checking Mathews ADP through all of the survivors, he has been moving steadily up since being drafted, which is expected. His situation is pretty damn good for a rookie RB. Prior to my selection at 3.06/RB11, he had been taken as high as 3.15/RB17 & no later than 4.08/RB18 after averaging 6.13/RB30 in PDSL's. I'm okay with being the one to pull the trigger on him a little early. It's risky taking him so high, I agree. I think the bigger risk for me was shying away from a WR in round 3.

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This was a tough decision for me starting with a qb and a te. I knew there would be decent backs in the third but I also knew there would be a run forming here. With a lot of non rb picks in the late first and early second I know the run will continue but I feel like steve smith is a better value in ppr than the receivers I will be able to get later and if I go rb/wr or wr/wr here I can take whatever I want at 5/6, while if I go rb/rb I will be forced to take a wr regardless of the available value. I think four to six backs will go in the next six picks before I go again, so a fourth round back will probably be from a much thinner pool, but after that I think the rb run dies down a little. Or at least I hope it does

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Ochocinco just went right after me. He was the other WR I considered at 3.13. I had him and Smith a full tier ahead of the other guys and would have been thrilled to start with those two even if it meant I wouldn't get my first RB until the fifth round. I'm pleasantly surprised that two tight ends also went, meaning that I probably made the right call passing on a back because at most three will have gone by my next pick.

OK so I'd finally settled on Shonne Greene, and he went the pick before me. I guess I could have taken one of the next group of backs, but there's just so many warts on all of them. So after all that talk about taking a back, I switched to a receiver at the last minute.

QB Manning

RB

RB

WR Steve Smith (nyg)

WR Mike Sims-Walker

WR

TE Antonio Gates

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I think I may have an average or maybe even above average receiving corps with this start. But I'm going to need to spend a lot of picks putting together a RBBC here. As of right now, I'm guessing my next pick will have to be a running back, because the guys after me will probably be hammering the position on the next turn. Then a receiver in the sixth, a couple more backs in the seventh and eighth, my backup QB in the ninth, and another back, receiver, or maybe even a defense in the tenth. We'll see how true to form I stay.

Brees

M. Turner

S. Greene

WR-

WR-

WR-

T. Gonzalez

There is a glaring hole in my line-up. I decided after the Brees pick that I'd sluff WR if there was enough value at other positions. I'm wishing we had those extra 2 roster spots.

QB-Romo-4

QB-Orton-9

RB-Benson-6

RB-Reggie Bush-10

RB-Maroney-5

WR-Ward-5

WR-Evans-6

WR-Cotchery-7

WR-Devin Thomas-9

WR-Demaryous Thomas-9

TE-Clark-7

Not a bad start. Not great but I'll take it for now. With Benson having no real competition for carries, I think he will far outperform his draft position. and Hines is Mr. Steady. We'll see what the next few picks bring.

I wanted Addai to be on every SL team I had. ******* who took him.

One thread is fine as long as the entire pick list remains in the first post. Splitting it up makes it more difficult to do a "Control F" search.

Refs Draft:

Liked getting the two slot.

1.02: Adrian Peterson RB MIN (4): Easy pick. Not much to see here. I think Gerhart will be a player so I kind of look at adding him and losing Taylor as kind of a wash. Gerhart looks like a bowling ball and defenses won't be real excited to see him come in when Peterson goes to the bench. Gerhart might help wear down the defense a little more than Taylor did which could open things up a little for Peterson. Hopefully he gets a few more catches between the 20's now and will be in on third down. Wouldn't be surprised though to see MIN bring in some kind of 3rd down back to help out which would suck. Anyway, great base for the RB position

Other considerations here: none

2.15: Steve Smith WR CAR (6): As this pick got closer I was thinking about going QB but only had two that I would have taken (Rivers/Brady). They went in the three picks before mine, so I shifted gears to WR, and also at this point commited in my mind to going after Kolb in the 4th. Have to start 3 WR's so let's get one. Saw some RB's that I would have loved to maybe pair with ADP but thought WR was the play. Was looking at Vicent Jackson here, but I didn't like him possibly getting suspended to start the year. Didn't like anything else I saw besides Smith so I pulled the trigger.

Other considerations here: Vincent Jackson, Jamaal Charles (but same bye week as ADP), Jonathan Stewart.

3.02: Vincent Jackson WR SD (10): Really thought menobrown would take him with one of his two picks, but he passed. So here was VJ staring at me again. Funny how the difference in 4 picks will change your mind about a guy, but here I felt like he was value and a possible suspension didn't bug me as much with Smith on board. Personally I think VJ has a 50-50 chance to get a one game suspension. They talk of being for violating the substance abuse thing, but his last issue was just driving when he wasn't supposed to, not a DUI. Now the previous two were, but you would think a suspension would have already been handed down by now for that. Not sure if he will get one for this last ticket. Also indications are that he was the "model" criminal and has already done all of his community service/road pick up, etc. Hopefully Goddell will take that into consideration. I now have 2 no doubt #1 WR's on their team and a solid start in a start 3 WR league along with a top RB. SD will throw a ton and VJ can make plays . He is big and strong and go and gets the ball which is what I look for in fantasy WR's. Plus SD schedule this year is just cake.

Other considerations here: Charles and Stewart again. Looked at Boldin, but hate their schedule. Was very close to pulling the trigger on Ryan Matthews at the last second, because I just LOVE his situation and SD schedule.

4.15: Kevin Kolb QB PHI (8): As mentioned above I was targeting Kolb here and he fell. As the pick got closer I was hoping for him or Cutler. I was really surprised that only two QB's (Schaub/Eli) went betwen my picks with 8 teams still needing one, so didn't really sweat this out as much as I thought I would. Looking at the top QB's that were left, I also saw that many of them shared the same bye week (Kolb, Cutler, Ryan, Flacco), not that that really meant anything other than the thought of doubling up here at QB with my next two picks was really out of the question. I love Kolb this year and think he has a very good chance to be top 5-6. Put it this way, all of his main weapons were gone by 5.01. I got the guy that is getting the ball to them. At this point in the draft I think Philly is the only team with RB1, WR1, WR2, and TE gone. Philly throws a ton in Reid's offense and I don't see that changing. In two of the 3 games he played last year he threw the ball 34+ times with one game over 50+ attempts, so this combined with getting rid of DM shows they have confidence in him. Great weapons in Philly. Menobrown has drafted Kolb previously so that factored in a little here as far as taking him now instead of waiting till my next pick.

Other considerations here: none

5.02: Jahvid Best RB DET (7): I really wanted Best. After Matthews, I see him walking into the best situation. No other WR's stood out to me here and I thought RB would be the best way to go. Felix Jones had the same bye wek as ADP so when Menobrown took him, I didn't care. Best has little competition and DET has some weapons on offense. Morris does not scare me and Kevin Smith may not be back by the time the season starts. So that is who Best is competing with right now. Love this guys chances to produce right away.

Other considerations here: Ronnie Brown, but the injury, particularly the one he suffered really scared me and Ricky is there. Spiller, currently in a 3 headed monster. Forte, no thanks with Taylor in town. Bush, can't count on those knees, they cost him a couple games last year. Also thought about a TE but saw nothing that deserved this pick.

Overall: I'm ok with this start.

menobrown

QB:

RB: Chris Johnson , Felix Jones

WR: Sidney Rice , Jeremy Maclin

TE: Jermichael Finley

PK:

DEF:

like the RB's, was a little surprised by the WR picks but Finley was solid...really thought you would grab a QB at the 4/5, not sure what will make it back to you....saw some other WR options you could have had that I persoanlly would have liked better, but you like who you like.....

Yellow Line is Unofficial

QB: Matt Stafford

RB: Frank Gore , Beanie Wells

WR: Greg Jennings

TE: Chris Cooley

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obviously looks like you are higher than most on Stafford and Gore since you passed on some other guys that are probably valued a little more....I'm not a Beanie fan nor a fan of this start, I think this team should have a little more pop considering the draft slot...

Crippler

QB: Phillip Rivers

RB: LeSean McCoy, Matt Forte

WR: Andre Johnson , Anquan Boldin

TE:

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DEF:

I kind of like this start...McCoy making it back to you helped

eta: just added the Forte pick....which I am not a big fan of..... however with Martz they will throw to the backs and we have see Forte have a big receiving season.....if he bounces back, that will help, but last year scared me off him a ton and now Chester is in town.....some other fellas could have been taken here, but solid group

Stinkin Ref said:

Crippler QB: Phillip Rivers RB: LeSean McCoy WR: Andre Johnson , Anquan Boldin TE: PK: DEF: I kind of like this start...McCoy making it back to you helped

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I liked your other consideration partAndre JOhnson. He was the guy from the get go. I know most have went with one of the RB but looking back I dont change. IF he was gone, it would have been RicePhillip Rivers. This one was tough. I thought would him or Finley make it to the turn. So Finley was the other consideration. I might have been better off with Finley as liked some QB at 5.4 alotAnquan Boldin. I sent a predraft of 6 after my pick. Finley, Boldin, Rice, Jackson, Beanie and Chad Johnson were it. I was happy with anyLeshon McCoy. I really wanted Joesph Addai who had dropped in other drafts. Thought the rookies would help him drop. It was between him and Best but McCoy is safer. A few others I hoped would drop also like Nicks or Zach Miller that would have got serious considerationMatt Forte. Was Forte or a 2nd QB. He was at the end of a tier to me, so I went for it. There was no WR in this range I like that much. I like guys that can be had later just as well. There was only one other RB that I might have taken but injury again scares meI am not minding this team at all. I think I like it better with Finley and the QB in the 5th instead though.

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just an fyi/warning: probably gonna start here in a few and I usually talk a lot more #### after that so if I add more later tonight that aren't cool don't hold it against me......

enjoy the weekend fellas.....

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disclaimer:just an fyi/warning: probably gonna start here in a few and I usually talk a lot more #### after that so if I add more later tonight that aren't cool don't hold it against me...... enjoy the weekend fellas.....

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Joining you very soon.... ....I also get a little yammy when drinking.

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

Ruffrodys05 said:

Stinkin Ref said:

disclaimer:just an fyi/warning: probably gonna start here in a few and I usually talk a lot more #### after that so if I add more later tonight that aren't cool don't hold it against me...... enjoy the weekend fellas.....

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Joining you very soon.... ....I also get a little yammy when drinking.

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looks like you will be second on the list and good place to start after your last pick..... ....not sure about Flacco over Cutler.....hmmmmmmmm.........don't defend it until I hammer on you later....

Nugget said:

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan (8)

RB: Ryan Grant (10)

WR: Larry Fitzgerald (6) , DeSean Jackson (8)

TE: Owen Daniels (7)

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Pretty much exactly how I wanted to roll with the 7th pick.WR/WR was the correct call for me, affording me flexibility with the WR3 spot.

Was torn between Ryan Grant and Schaub in the 3rd, bu I saw plenty of QB value in Round 5 and Grant was already picked in the other 3 SSLs well before the middle of the 3rd - so I took the value there.

Hoped for OD to slip to me in Round 4 and it worked out fine. Kolb was going to be my pick in Round 5 but he went in the Top 10 (sounds a little high, but I can understand it with that pass-happy offense). Chose Ryan over some others based on schedules.

I like this start so far.

Teamramrod

QB: Tom Brady

RB: Ray Rice

WR: Michael Crabtree, Bowe

TE: Visanthe Shiancoe

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DEF:

so far, pretty solid, I kinda like this team for some reason...I'm not a Crabtree WR1 guy but the Bowe pick helps, except he and Shiancoe share the same bye week, which who knows whether that will matter or not....could be worse....speaking of...whose next?