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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
It was certainly amazing. But just for the purposes of historical accuracy, I'm not sure you're correct about this Sea Bass. France was pretty powerful then too. Not sure which of them was more powerful.
 
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
It was certainly amazing. But just for the purposes of historical accuracy, I'm not sure you're correct about this Sea Bass. France was pretty powerful then too. Not sure which of them was more powerful.
Seriously? Do you want to think about it again?The French & Indian War. The Seven Years War. The Battle of Trafalgar. Waterloo. Any of these sound familiar? In about a 50 year time period at the end of the 1700s and beginning of the 1800s France lost Canada, India and several African colonies to the Brits. And it culminated with France's navy being rendered impotent and its greatest wartime leader being run off the field in his own back yard.

 
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
It was certainly amazing. But just for the purposes of historical accuracy, I'm not sure you're correct about this Sea Bass. France was pretty powerful then too. Not sure which of them was more powerful.
Seriously? Do you want to think about it again?The French & Indian War. The Seven Years War. The Battle of Trafalgar. Waterloo. Any of these sound familiar? In about a 50 year time period at the end of the 1700s and beginning of the 1800s France lost Canada, India and several African colonies to the Brits. And it culminated with France's navy being rendered impotent and its greatest wartime leader being run off the field in his own back yard.
You're probably right. But Trafalgar and Waterloo occurred after the Revolution. If you're going to mention those, why not mention Bonaparte's victories, as well? England defeated Napoleon as it always defeated continental threats, through a coalition of forces. It needed help from the Prussians and others. It's not really a big deal.

 
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Huh? The bolder action was fighting a war for independence that incidentally started 2 years before this document was passed. And TJ borrowed heavily from stuff that was already written, much of it by him. The DOI is the single most overrated document in the history of ever.
 
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Huh? The bolder action was fighting a war for independence that incidentally started 2 years before this document was passed. And TJ borrowed heavily from stuff that was already written, much of it by him. The DOI is the single most overrated document in the history of ever.
Mr. Voltaire,"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."I didn't start the thread to demonstrate the writing ability of Mr. Jefferson. I find the hostile attitude and ballsy courage of the the patroits, especially the signers, to have been somewhat washed over in the view of most people living today.
 
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Where's the stuff about gun control and freedom of religion?
If you have to ask, you need to turn in your voter registration card.
:confused: Did the original poster leave them out on purpose?
The original poster was Thomas Jefferson. You might want to ask him why he didn't include those points in the Declaration. My bet is that the pansy John Adams went crying to Ben Franklin and yada yada.
 
Radical Larry said:
Sea Bass said:
The original poster was Thomas Jefferson. You might want to ask him why he didn't include those points in the Declaration. My bet is that the pansy John Adams went crying to Ben Franklin and yada yada.
So do I need to turn in my voter registration card or what?
Nah, you seem like good people.
 
Sea Bass, respectfully, I must ask you a question:

Last year in this forum you stated that it was your firm belief that the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land in the United States. Do you believe that this opinion is consistent with the ideas contained in the document you have posted in this thread?

 
Sea Bass, respectfully, I must ask you a question:Last year in this forum you stated that it was your firm belief that the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land in the United States. Do you believe that this opinion is consistent with the ideas contained in the document you have posted in this thread?
Tim,My memory certainly has lost its effectiveness. I believe that you are referring to a thread in which the Apostle's Creed and the Ten Commandments were under heavy attack. I was simply defending those documents with some rather bold statements. Youthful folly, if you will. In a perfect world, in my opinion, we would have a much better life and afterlife if we lived up to the expectations of our Creator. It would be impossible to legislate Faith when it isn't the will of the people.I simply don't see a connection to that thread and this document. Jefferson, like many of the founding fathers, was a diest. Faith is not addressed in the DOI. It was a call to rebelllion against the King of England. I may not share the religious views of Thomas Jefferson, but I do admire his intelligence and convection that he had for our country.
 
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Sea Bass, respectfully, I must ask you a question:Last year in this forum you stated that it was your firm belief that the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land in the United States. Do you believe that this opinion is consistent with the ideas contained in the document you have posted in this thread?
Tim,My memory certainly has lost its effectiveness. I believe that you are referring to a thread in which the Apostle's Creed and the Ten Commandments were under heavy attack. I was simply defending those documents with some rather bold statements. Youthful folly, if you will. In a perfect world, in my opinion, we would have a much better life and afterlife if we lived up to the expectations of our Creator. It would be impossible to legislate Faith when it isn't the will of the people.I simply don't see a connection to that thread and this document. Jefferson, like many of the founding fathers, was a diest. Faith is not addressed in the DOI. It was a call to rebelllion against the King of England. I may not share the religious views of Thomas Jefferson, but I do admire his intelligence and convection that he had for our country.
fair enough.
 
Sea Bass said:
Voltaire said:
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Huh? The bolder action was fighting a war for independence that incidentally started 2 years before this document was passed. And TJ borrowed heavily from stuff that was already written, much of it by him. The DOI is the single most overrated document in the history of ever.
Mr. Voltaire,"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."I didn't start the thread to demonstrate the writing ability of Mr. Jefferson. I find the hostile attitude and ballsy courage of the the patroits, especially the signers, to have been somewhat washed over in the view of most people living today.
You're right about them being ballsy. Those balls showed at Lexington and Concord in 1775. Or in the numerous statements and motions passed by the state governments. Or the newspapers and pamphlets. The Declaration's only worth is in that it made Jefferson super famous and it pissed the glory hound Adams off because, like me, he thought it was no big deal just making official something everyone already knew by saying things everyone had already heard. If he hadn't he wouldn't have delegated the task and fame.Edit: Even the ballsiest passages from the Declaration are not the founders' own ideas. They came from the European Enlightenment.
 
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Sea Bass said:
Voltaire said:
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Huh? The bolder action was fighting a war for independence that incidentally started 2 years before this document was passed. And TJ borrowed heavily from stuff that was already written, much of it by him. The DOI is the single most overrated document in the history of ever.
Mr. Voltaire,"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."I didn't start the thread to demonstrate the writing ability of Mr. Jefferson. I find the hostile attitude and ballsy courage of the the patroits, especially the signers, to have been somewhat washed over in the view of most people living today.
You're right about them being ballsy. Those balls showed at Lexington and Concord in 1775. Or in the numerous statements and motions passed by the state governments. Or the newspapers and pamphlets. The Declaration's only worth is in that it made Jefferson super famous and it pissed the glory hound Adams off because, like me, he thought it was no big deal just making official something everyone already knew by saying things everyone had already heard. If he hadn't he wouldn't have delegated the task and fame.Edit: Even the ballsiest passages from the Declaration are not the founders' own ideas. They came from the European Enlightenment.
I believe that the writing style was inspired by John Locke. Franklin and Adams played a rather large role in deciding what would and wouldn't be included. The goal seemed to be to produce something that all of the colonies could support. I agree with everything that you are saying. If you get passed the words that Jefferson is most credited with writing you eventually get to the nuts and bolts of the anger and rebillion that the signers represented. I believe that it took a fair amount of time and debate before each signer was convinced to affix their signature to this rather bold statement.
 
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once every few years, i teach during the summertime and we have class on july 4th. even though i teach math, i always take the time to read this document to my students. gives me goosebumps every time. jefferson had big brass ones.

 
once every few years, i teach during the summertime and we have class on july 4th. even though i teach math, i always take the time to read this document to my students. gives me goosebumps every time. jefferson had big brass ones.
... as did all who signed, fought, and protested.
 
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Homer J Simpson said:
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
It was certainly amazing. But just for the purposes of historical accuracy, I'm not sure you're correct about this Sea Bass. France was pretty powerful then too. Not sure which of them was more powerful.
It was England.
:football: There really is not much doubt here. France was powerful enough to be a counter balance to England but England at this time had both the best navy and best army in the world and that is not to mention the most powerful economy as well.

The Seven Years War was not just a British vs French but largely a British and Prussian alliance against the French, Russians and Austrians (and the Austrians at this time were a powerful nation in their own right).

That and the aid of the colonists in the War of Independence ended up nearly bankrupting the French and eventually lead to the French Revolution a couple of decades later. The British endured the war and the loss of the American colonies and kept on trucking.

At this time, the British were undeniably the most powerful country on earth. Granted, the gap is not as wide as it is today but then again the gap has not been that wide since the Roman Empire in it's Pax Romana days.

 
Can someone provide me with a link where someone actually called the DoI "cute"?
After meeting Jefferson in Paris, Abigail Adams is said to have "taken a fancy" to Jefferson's writing ability. Most notably the Declaration of Independence.I am sorry that I don't have a link. It was unusual for a lady to post on fantasy football websites in her day.
 
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Voltaire said:
Few understand the insulting boldness that this statement made in regards to the King of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Huh? The bolder action was fighting a war for independence that incidentally started 2 years before this document was passed. And TJ borrowed heavily from stuff that was already written, much of it by him. The DOI is the single most overrated document in the history of ever.
The most overrated document in the history of the US is the Emancipation Proclamation - freeing slaves in states currently in open insurrection, entirely meaningless. Slavery continued in the Union and it had no effect in the South.
 
I'm sorry Larry, and to anyone else who had to deal with my comments today. I am about to go through another Dialysis Treatment. Although my body is weak my mind has functioned relatively well today. I used the FFA as a way to exercise the clarity that I am currently enjoying. I must get my rest. Goodnight all.

 
I'm sorry Larry, and to anyone else who had to deal with my comments today. I am about to go through another Dialysis Treatment. Although my body is weak my mind has functioned relatively well today. I used the FFA as a way to exercise the clarity that I am currently enjoying. I must get my rest. Goodnight all.
No problem. Feel better soon.
 
The most overrated document in the history of the US is the Emancipation Proclamation - freeing slaves in states currently in open insurrection, entirely meaningless. Slavery continued in the Union and it had no effect in the South.
I strongly disagree with this, as do most historians. It was a crucial moment in the Civil War. As I have noted in the Civil War thread, the proclamation ended the chance of diplomatic recognition of the Confederacy by England, gave the Union moral authority around the world, and ultimately did lead the way to the freedom of African-Americans and the end of slavery as an acceptable western institution. Among the key documents both in American and world history, its importance cannot be understated.
 
Can someone provide me with a link where someone actually called the DoI "cute"?
After meeting Jefferson in Paris, Abigail Adams is said to have "taken a fancy" to Jefferson's writing ability. Most notably the Declaration of Independence.I am sorry that I don't have a link. It was unusual for a lady to post on fantasy football websites in her day.
I have HBO too. :thumbdown:
Careful Sea Bass, unless you can provide proof of a PhD in American History, sjacksonfan will have to ask you to stop talking about this subject.
 
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