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Some IRA dude that Owen was told to kill. Pretty sure he was an informant/traitor that fled to America. IIRC when Owen was first introduced by that tight-### Irish guy he said "Owen will be staying on for a while" or something like that. I'm assuming that was so that he could track down the traitor.
Aha. Was the IRA dude mentioned earlier? The scene just seemed to come out of nowhere.
I don't remember if the strangled guy was mentioned earlier. I thought it was out of nowhere at first too but then I remembered that Owen came over with some sort of IRA big-shot.
I understood roughly 15% of their conversation at the bar.
So happy to have someone else say that. I was totaly lost at times.
To be clear, I wasn't lost by the context of their conversation. Rather, I couldn't understand many actual words given their heavy Mick accents.
I understood that she stole the money that was supposed to pay for his passage to America (and he was supposed to work and get the rest of the family over) She was the jerk, he was reasonable.
Yup. He's being hard nosed but he realizes that she can't be living the lifestyle she is in an honest manner. He said it best when he returned the money she tried to give him, something like "I can't accept this. I don't know where this came from." That's more honorable than jerky.
I think he is aware of that (as am I), but the question is WHY?Yeah it is surprising if you never met a Margaret. However, Peggy has always been a nickname for Margarets.Guess I just assumed so since you were surprised that Peg was short for Margaret.Where did you get that from?Really, you've never met a Peggy? Or did you think Peggy was their given birth name?BTW, how the hell do you get "Peg" from "Margaret" ...
Antonio/Tony, I get. Robert/Bob, I get.
Great question. There's a quick scene when Jimmy walks out and hears someone say "He's still alive" and he has a look on his face like he's not thrilled with hearing that but I easily could have misread his reaction.
I thought at first it was the guy hired to wack Nucky.
The switching allegiances have made it tough for me at times, but like you said it usually makes more sense as you go along. Definite rewatchability to pick up on things missed.
Yea, I am not sure. I mean he shot him in the hand. Maybe the guy thought he would be able to take that shot and get away, not expecting there to be an agent there to shoot back? Otherwise it was a suicide mission for the shooter . . . and Jimmy saying something right beforehand kind of makes it obvious who ordered the hit which is either A) dumb if Nucky survives because now there is a big target on your back; 2) doesn't matter because he was supposed to die; or 3) chest puffing so Nucky knows he can get got (although there has already been an attempt on his life, so he should have more muscle around him already).
In any other situation you would just think it was a botched job but the relationship between Jimmy and Nucky does make you think. I'd like to see his reaction again. Maybe I'll record a repeat to check it out.
I didn't notice anything on the script. The script was for a play called, "A Dangerous Maid", which is a pretty accurate description of Lucy.
Yeah I just took it to be the first one but set it to record again tonight to check it out. He is tough to read at times by his expressions.Did anyone else think that the neighbor holding the baby was Van Alden's wife at first?
I did. Also, I thought for sure Van Alden was going to give up the witnesses to Nucky and sell his soul completely. I thought we were seeing the final step in a good man turned bad. I guess it will be the total opposite and instead of being Nucky's inside man, he will come after Nucky more than ever.
Yep. Thought he felt trapped and would give in to Nucky. Glad he did what he did.
I thought that was as awesome plot turn.
Or by giving her the file he has earned her trust and she will include him in discussions (instead of being banished to the little desk where he was struggling to hear her) so that he has more/better information to give Nucky.
That was my thought as well. If he was coming clean to her, he probably would have disclosed that he was being blackmailed.
Very good point. He may realize that Nucky is "above the law" and any efforts will be defeated, so why not personally benefit from it? We know Van Alden has never backed down from these type of pragmatic options in the past.
This was my thought too. He is prolly more p.o.ed at a "woman" moving him around and chastising him than any thing nucky has done. Alden has no respect for women outside the home. Well played by Alden, he is making himself a double agent and getting benefits of both. 
He didn't mention anything about Nucky coming to him. He also really resents that women. I think it's still a bit early to call that putt.I thought that was as awesome plot turn.
Yup, you guys are making good points I never thought of it that way.He didn't mention anything about Nucky coming to him. He also really resents that women. I think it's still a bit early to call that putt.I thought that was as awesome plot turn.
Well it was ontop of a diaper full of poop
Damn. Never realized that was him.Ol' Hugh DeAngelis finally bites the dust.
Yep, and the actor actually died soon after filming that.B.E. is a friggin Sopranos reunion. Hugh, Junior, Butchie... and even Chalky White (best known as "Omar" on The Wire) was on The Sopranos. He played the guy who helped Jackie Jr. hide out in the Boonton housing projects.Damn. Never realized that was him.Ol' Hugh DeAngelis finally bites the dust.
yeah, I really didn't get why he threw the dude over the rail and ruin the party. I would be scared of the butcher dude. Stress of being da man getting to him that quick? He wants to rule with an iron fist so soon? I don't see it. I like how Alden didn't pay for meal and how he hid bribe money behind framed picture as quickly as possible, like out of sight out of mind and his sins were hidden also. Also like how he gave women caring for his kid one day a month off.
Otherwise, kinda ho hum episode and moved too quick on some things.
Because Mickey is the most annoying guy ever?
That was Jimmy telling the butcher, "I'm not afraid of you. You should fear me."
I was being humorous.
I guess I get that, and I like Mickey he he he.Just thought it wasn't right time to do it, I mean right away, when everything is settled, and 5 grand isn't much to be squabbling over. Made for TV and all, but being a d!ck right away wasn't right way to go.
Jimmy didn't appreciate Mickey telling him that the Jew was not a man to be messing with.
5 grand isn't much today, but in the 20's that's probably equivalent to around 65k today. I'd say that's worth it.
BTW that was the worst railing ever. What was that like 2 feet high?
No kidding. You knew somebody was going over that thing.As usual, this episode left me wanting much more Rothstein (his two scenes were superb) and Chalky.
This series can't feature Rothstein enough for my tastes.
