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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:
:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.

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Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.

Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.

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Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.

Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.
True that it was not inconceivable given the time but it just seemed convienant I guess...

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Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.

Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.
The overlap isn't the problem, "he happened to be dusting right at the same time as Nucky's lawyer was telling him about VanAlden testifying and Nucky let him stay in the room to hear it and the lawyer intuited he should ask the guy to talk after Nucky had dismissed him" is the problem. Edited by Gr00vus

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Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.

Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.
The overlap isn't the problem, "he happened to be dusting right at the same time as Nucky's lawyer was telling him about VanAlden testifying and Nucky let him stay in the room to hear it and the lawyer intuited he should ask the guy to talk after Nucky had dismissed him" is the problem.
You wanna dust inside my eyelids?

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I'm not surprised some have a problem with the episode but I'm among those who loved it. I love holy-####-moments. They're tricky, especially in television shows. A lot of goes into setting them up and executing them, and appreciating them is subjective. I suppose there isn't much point in debating if the shocking scenes worked.

I don't think Boardwalk gets enough credit for atmosphere and mood. The way episodes unravel and flow into their final scenes is often subtly masterful and taken for granted. The flashback scenes with Jimmy were well-done, they sort of sneakily materialized into the present. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere--but Jimmy snorted the heroin, correct? His in-and-out periods of consciousness, from the drugs and later from his wound, made the episode even more surreal. He existed in a new world; the old one was destroyed, and he couldn't find his bearing in it.

I thought the entirety of Jimmy as a human being was put on display and by the end he was completely devoid of what he had been. His gaze towards Richard as he cleaned up the mess was interesting. They're ships without a harbor now.

Buscemi has been solid lately. His scenes with Margaret were good. She's acting like a childish idiot so his exasperation that melded into "don't even think about ####ing with me" anger was warranted. Thought he pulled it off. Other than Richard I'm rooting for Nucky the most right now.

I've loved the subtle touches in the show, including, as you say, the mood and atmosphere, and also the pacing. Which is why I found the episode so off-putting. They tried to get too many things through the door, imo. Almost like it was written as a hail mary in response to the threat of HBO not renewing. But whatever, I'm not going to get bothered by it. The Commodore thing was ridiculous, but they needed to kill him off. So he's gone. We move forward. I also laughed out loud at the train during the incest scene, which was cheesy. What you mention was my biggest issue with the epsidoe...the subtlety. It seemed lacking, but so be it. One other thing...I don't buy Jimmy just leaving the Manny thing in the wind for somebody else to maybe or maybe not handle. He knows as well as anybody what a blood-thirsty lunatic Manny is and that he gets off on killing anybody he perceives as slighting him. There were two plays there only. Pay him or kill him. Jimmy's a terrible leader, but he's not an idiot. That was hard to swallow, too. But I digress.

And yeah, Jimmy snorted the heroin. Looked like all of it, too, which from what I understand about heroin, would make him so ill that he'd probably not want to do it again. It'll be interesting to see where they go with that.

:goodposting:

The pacing of the episode was bad both for the hour of the episode itself and in relation to the rest of the series. And the consummation with Jimmy and his mom was better left to the imagination. We got it, we didn't need it spelled out in cliched detail.

RE: The Manny thing, IIRC he did try to pay him off via captain annoying but Manny wasn't buying at that point after the botched assassination attempt. So Jimmy tried both but relied on ineffectual clowns to his detriment. That played out right to me, his inexperience is really costing him.

were you positive he had slept with her before that scene?
Who cares? Truthfully, I'd rather there be some ambiguity.

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Also the butler was a guy who just so happened to witness the murder AND be in the same room during a meeting with Nukie and the lawyer.

Yeah, that was a reach, but I figure he's in the room enough to overhear Nucky's conversations about this at some point anyway. Not that big a deal that they dealt with it then.
AC wasn't exactly a metropolis back then. It wasn't a huge pool of people, so the overlap is not inconceivable.
The overlap isn't the problem, "he happened to be dusting right at the same time as Nucky's lawyer was telling him about VanAlden testifying and Nucky let him stay in the room to hear it and the lawyer intuited he should ask the guy to talk after Nucky had dismissed him" is the problem.
Okay, that I can agree with. But this was the episode of convenient plot advancement.And I was more troubled by the train than the showing of the mother####ing. Though it was tough to watch. The train was what offended my delicate sensibilities. :lmao: I get why they showed it. It has much more gravity that way. Edited by Apple Jack

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:
:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
oh ok...haven't you seen you The Sopranos thread in years so thought it was you ;)

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Great friggin episode. I think about 30 people in this thread need to let go of their movie critic mentality and just enjoy the show

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Great friggin episode. I think about 30 people in this thread need to let go of their movie critic mentality and just enjoy the show

YAY EVERYTHING!

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Great friggin episode. I think about 30 people in this thread need to let go of their movie critic mentality and just enjoy the show

While, despite my criticisms here, I enjoyed it, it wasn't up to the very high standards the show has set for itself so far in terms of quality of writing and pace.

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.

Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:

:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
oh ok...haven't you seen you The Sopranos thread in years so thought it was you ;)
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Dude... are you trolling me or are you heavily medicated?

I started the Sopranos thread and I'm the one who bumps it 9 times out of 10.

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.

Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:

:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
oh ok...haven't you seen you The Sopranos thread in years so thought it was you ;)
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Dude... are you trolling me or are you heavily medicated?

I started the Sopranos thread and I'm the one who bumps it 9 times out of 10.

:sarcasm:

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:
:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
6FU was awesome. also Keith>Vito

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.

Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:

:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
oh ok...haven't you seen you The Sopranos thread in years so thought it was you ;)
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Dude... are you trolling me or are you heavily medicated?

I started the Sopranos thread and I'm the one who bumps it 9 times out of 10.

:sarcasm:
Oh, well it was quite good.

:mellow:

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I wouldn't put Boardwalk in the top tier of Sopranos, The Wire or SFU for HBO shows, but it's not far off.

6FU is so overrated. It was fun for awhile, then it got monotonous.Plus, red always had the same stupid look on her face ----> :shock:
:eek: weren't you the one who told me it was better than The Sopranos?
Ummmm..... NO.
6FU was awesome. also Keith>Vito
:no:

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
I think that's the only way to take it.

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
Obviously. That doesn't mean Richard wasn't insulted.

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
I thought the same. I also think she's going to have teh secks with Richard the cheer the geezer up.

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.

You just can't please some people.

:goodposting:

Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.

Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
I thought the same. I also think she's going to have teh secks with Richard the cheer the geezer up.
all the males and some of the females on the show.

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I'm not surprised some have a problem with the episode but I'm among those who loved it. I love holy-####-moments. They're tricky, especially in television shows. A lot of goes into setting them up and executing them, and appreciating them is subjective. I suppose there isn't much point in debating if the shocking scenes worked.

I don't think Boardwalk gets enough credit for atmosphere and mood. The way episodes unravel and flow into their final scenes is often subtly masterful and taken for granted. The flashback scenes with Jimmy were well-done, they sort of sneakily materialized into the present. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere--but Jimmy snorted the heroin, correct? His in-and-out periods of consciousness, from the drugs and later from his wound, made the episode even more surreal. He existed in a new world; the old one was destroyed, and he couldn't find his bearing in it.

I thought the entirety of Jimmy as a human being was put on display and by the end he was completely devoid of what he had been. His gaze towards Richard as he cleaned up the mess was interesting. They're ships without a harbor now.

FInally watched last night....I'm on the Loving It side also. Like you say, although a lot happened...it ep flowed well enough for me to absorb it all and understand what I was watching, whether it was present or past time.

No one wants to see shows fit into a standard structure....this was as unique as I can remember.

Regarding the bolded....I thought I saw a glimmer of Jimmy snapping back to his old self when he saw his son at the end. And I think Richard will be focused on revenging Angela. I think those two rebound.

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Van Alden is the best character on the show. He's hilarious. I'm not sure I'd keep watching if he's ended.

:goodposting:When he told his nanny that his parents don't enjoy his company and she responds "How could that be?":lmao: :lmao:

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
:yes:Richard was clearly a grieving mess who was unable to think clearly at that point and she got the cop off his case before he said something dumb.

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Sure everyone's got an opinion, but I have to question anyone bashing last night's show. That was one unforgettable episode, the best of this series to date IMO.You just can't please some people.

:goodposting: Probably the best episode of the series. I've loved the season so far but welcome a slam-bang episode like that. My heart sank when Jimmys mom called Richard simple-minded and he went to the room with the blood. Love Capone and Co. taking control. Van Aldens murder coming back to get him and the black dude bartender spilling the beans to Nucky. Margaret and Owens conversation and the maid listening in. Jimmy on heroin. Him beating up his teacher and when he got his wife pregnant. So much happened. People keep focusing on the shocking moments and overlook how much happened in one hour.
Yea, I was hoping Richard would just kill her.
I had a different take on this scene. I thought by saying Richard is simple minded, she was getting the cop off his case with the questions.
:yes:Richard was clearly a grieving mess who was unable to think clearly at that point and she got the cop off his case before he said something dumb.
Again, I think that was obvious. Richard clearly was insulted though.

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Horrible. Too much suck to even bother digging in and sorting it out.

I don't know your real name, but from now on I'll be referring to you as Mr. R. Wrongy Wrongerstein.

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You people are crazy. That episode was fantastic.Why are people surprised that the Commodore stabbed Jimmy? The mother was more instrumental than Jimmy in his rise back to power. Commodore already was not liking the way Jimmy was running things. Last episode he tried to interrupt Jimmy a few times in the meeting and Jimmy's dismissiveness lead to Commodore calling him a ##### essentially by telling him to lift up his skirt and show them his ####.

Finally, I've found Mr. Right.

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6FU is an absolute classic. A top 10 show.

Television dramas don't require constant murders and violence to be excellent.

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'So they couldn't bend their arms?'

'The spoons were too long!'

'So why couldn't they just hold them higher up the handle?

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'So they couldn't bend their arms?''The spoons were too long!''So why couldn't they just hold them higher up the handle?

:lmao:I laughed out load probably 10 times during this episode and this was one of my favorites.

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'So they couldn't bend their arms?''The spoons were too long!''So why couldn't they just hold them higher up the handle?

:lmao:Forgot about this, but it cracked me up.

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'So they couldn't bend their arms?''The spoons were too long!''So why couldn't they just hold them higher up the handle?

:lmao:Forgot about this, but it cracked me up.
Nucky is great.

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I can't believe they just ruined the show and killed off the best character. I thought for sure he was gonna shoot past Jimmy and kill Eli, then turn and kill Manny.

Unbelievable, I'm in shock.

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I can't believe they just ruined the show and killed off the best character. I thought for sure he was gonna shoot past Jimmy and kill Eli, then turn and kill Manny.Unbelievable, I'm in shock.

This kinda becoming a pattern on HBO. (Game of Thrones killing Ned Stark) But at least they were working off source material.I don't see any reason for this.

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I can't believe they just ruined the show and killed off the best character. I thought for sure he was gonna shoot past Jimmy and kill Eli, then turn and kill Manny.Unbelievable, I'm in shock.

This kinda becoming a pattern on HBO. (Game of Thrones killing Ned Stark) But at least they were working off source material.I don't see any reason for this.
I'm actually pretty mad right now and completely turned off of this show. :thumbdown:

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I can't believe they did that. Yea let's just write off the most intriguing character on the show. Now I have to watch Buscemis wooden acting all next year.

At least we still have Richard Harrow.

Edited by Sundays Rule

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At least we still have Richard Harrow.

Will we really? Who the heck even knows at this point. With Jimmy dead, what role does Harrow even play?

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There is nothing really to look forward to next season. All the major story arcs have been completed. It is tough to say the path it takes next season. Will there be a new major character or will someone like Capone or Rothstein step up into a bigger role?

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There is nothing really to look forward to next season. All the major story arcs have been completed. It is tough to say the path it takes next season. Will there be a new major character or will someone like Capone or Rothstein step up into a bigger role?

Yes.

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The story ark they created required Jimmy to go. The story of this season was how Nucky went from being half a gangster to a full gangster. Jimmy needed to die. You can't just reconcile with the person you tried to have killed and go on like nothing happened. Yet, most shows on most networks would have cheated the story in order to keep around one of the main characters. HBO shows have the conviction to follow through with the story, even if it will anger simple-minded viewers. That is why HBO and Boardwalk Empire should be lauded.

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what are the odds on nucky constantly seeing Jimmy's ghost?

Not sure how I feel about it, but I definitely wasn't expecting it.

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