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I also would be a bit surprised if Jim Brown wasn't #1...but you never know.Montana, Unitas, and Rice have outside shots, I suppose.
Half hour away from the Top 10. Cooking up a nice rib eye with all the fixins for the program.
I'm gonna go ahead and say I'll be shocked if Jim Brown is not #1. Eight rushing titles in 9 seasons. Would have dominated in any era. Put fear in the heart of defenders like no other player in NFL history.
Personally, I rank Payton as the best RB of all time with Brown at #2. I've covered it in other threads, but it boils down to different eras and supporting casts on the opposite ends of the spectrum, as well as my belief that Payton was a superior all around back (running, receiving, passing, kicking, blocking). I realize most do not agree, and I'm fine with that. But that argument above is woefully incomplete in terms of telling the story.
Half hour away from the Top 10. Cooking up a nice rib eye with all the fixins for the program.
I'm gonna go ahead and say I'll be shocked if Jim Brown is not #1. Eight rushing titles in 9 seasons. Would have dominated in any era. Put fear in the heart of defenders like no other player in NFL history.
You couldn't tell they were pump-faking you by showing LT going to commercial?
No way White would be ranked above LT as great as Reggie was.
You Missed D1ck Butkus
Doh! Processing error. Thought he was #11.You Missed D1ck Butkus
Hard to kick and scream about it, granted.
Maybe Brent Musberger had the day off.
Rice
Yeah. Once Montana left, Rice played like crap.
I agree with the perplexity of this one. Montana is in the Marino/Elway category. The fact that Steve Young stepped in and SF didn't miss a beat says a lot. Montana = generally overrated. I'll blame it on his going to Notre Dame.
Well played. When you have Jon Taylor, Rice, and lots of other excellent players as a supporting cast, you start to look more like Troy Aikman than Peyton Manning. Just sayin'. I would rather have Peyton Manning (or Marino) than Montana in his prime every day and twice on Tuesdays.
I agree. There's something to be said about a guy being #1 all time at his position and it ain't even close. I still do question the "best all around NFL player" even being a WR since they just aren't as integral and don't have to deal with the core challenges of the HEART of the team guys (QB, LB, RB), but he was truly dominant all time.
Impressive Bruce did that as a 3-4 DE.
I didn't make the list? WTF's records was Unitas breaking left and right.Not enough drinkers on that list anyways. Eff em.
Brown > Barry smply because he's the only RB in history to average 100+ yards per gameMoss is fine where he is Butkus > Lewis because of how short his career was (He was so dominant that I'd bet money he would have had as many pro-bowl/all-pro selections as lewis had he been able to play longer)
Who would you drop from the list to add Hornug ?
Ray Lewis shouldn't be punished for his extreme longevity. He is in his 15th season and still playing at an all pro level this season and made plays in 3 separate games this season to clinch games for the Ravens. Ray has been elite for nearly twice as long as Butkus and should be above him by now.
Barry average 5 yards less per game against significantly superior athletes in a much more competitive league in a decade that statistically was harder to rush in with much less surrounding talent.Butkus has 1 more pro bowl than Lewis and the same number of all pros in their first 9 years. Does that 1 pro bowl counterbalance the next 7 years of extremely high quality of play that Lewis has had? Not to mention the greater difficulty of making an all pro team in the modern NFL.If you don't like Moss' attitude that is one thing - but no way are Alworth and Berry better or greater than Moss.
I'd say there are plenty of candidates in the bottom 20th percentile, but making it one-for-one by position, Ernie Nevers only played five years. Iron man, as important as Red Grange at the gate, but honestly, if he didn't have that one 40 point game, how many would have remembered him?Hornung was an incredible quadruple threat - running, catching, throwing, kicking. The year he set the scoring record (176 points - LT2 broke it 46 years later), he also passed for two TDs. He led the league in scoring three years in a row, and then after that, was the lead blocker for a guy who finished 1st or 2nd in rushing yards five straight years.
Poor argument IMO. Brown played with several HOFers, and regularly played behind multiple Pro Bowl blockers, neither of which were true for Sanders. He also played in a completely different era, which makes it an apples to oranges comparison when simply using stats with no adjustments.
Ray had 1 more all pro selection in is 1st 9 years. And yes it much harder now to get one of the 2 all pro ILB/MLB spots. Before the 1970 merger there was only 14 teams and it was much easier.
I was only considering 1st team all pros (as listed on PFR).
...I disapprove, but I guess it's only 1 spot
