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3 minutes ago, Shutout said:

I can't tell if this reaction is linked to the fact he wouldn't go to your bills but, just to clarify, I said I think he acted out to get out of Oakland, I didn't say anything about him starting this in Pittsburgh.   Those issues were whatever they were and my gut says when he was traded and got big money he WAS feeling good for a minute....until he landed in Oakland and found out it was going to be a bad team and then at some point saw the reality he could get to a contender.  

You think that he flew into training camp in a hot air balloon, got frostbite on his feet, flipped out about the helmet, and sacrificed $30M in guaranteed money because he didn't think that Carr was a good QB?

And he threw furniture off a 14th floor balcony and got up to all those antics for over a year in Pittsburgh because he just wanted out of there?

Does that really seem like the most likely explanation for what has gone on over the last couple of years?

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20 minutes ago, [icon] said:

What on earth are you talking about? It’s a little early to be this far into the bottle GB :lol: 

Yeah, really funny implying I need to be drunk to bring a former disgusting murder, cover-up, and organizational malfeasance into another discussion about the Patriots hiring someone who was recently accused of assault and battery and just threatened his GM and used racial epithets.

But, hey, he'll be able to play.

Yeah, right. 

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1 minute ago, Shutout said:

I agree with your thought but then we have to ask why didn't the raiders as a team suspend him?  They could have done exactly what you suggest but they didn't.  I agree, I think they made the right decision and rid themselves of the mess but they could have set the tone and didn't and it looks like they just washed their hands of it at some point.

I agree the Raiders did everything right from a players perspective.  And from a cap point of view. 

I am still not sure whether AB makes it through 2 weeks under BB to the first game he can play in.  This aint no game in NE.

Sure, he may suddenly sober up and start acting normally and rationally. Suddenly become a good team mate.  Not a distraction.  ... Or, he is going to continue to act the way he has been acting for years, both while he was in NE and Oakland, and proceed to get himself benched or sent packing on his spiral down. 

IMO NE is his last stop.  One way or the other.  Good or bad.  AB just doesn't realize it yet.  

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22 minutes ago, Hairy Snowman said:

There is an old saying.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Fool me more than twice, and you must be foolish.  

THANKS DUBYA!!!

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Other than when the new board was started (I'm going to get some facts slightly off; cut me some slack) and there was a thread where everyone essentially signed up, this thread has had more activity in it in one day than I can every remember.

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He’s still got another day to eff this up 

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5 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

 

A hole gate, or pathetic gate come to mind 

A hole? 

Like Antonio screwed the Raiders a whole lot?

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24 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

@RapSheet

Can new #Patriots WR Antonio Brown be on the sidelines tomorrow? No. “He’s not officially a member of the team so he is not allowed to be with or around the team,” per a league spokesman.

So how do other celebrities, former players, etc. end up on sidelines so often?

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1 hour ago, Courtjester said:

I have no love lost for the Raiders as a Bronco fan, but I feel this type of situation needs to be addressed by the NFL. The Raiders did the "right thing" here and in the end, they pay for it by one of their division opponents benefiting from it. There is no way a player, who is under contract, should be allowed to act out to the point he is released and then benefit from it. AB threatened physical harm to the GM--don't forget that. He then embarrassed his coach on social media. There is no way that should be rewarded. I don't think he should be get the perma-ban from the NFL, but there needs to be some kind of 6-8 game suspension period initiated by the league for players who are released because of their conduct. 

What stops any other player in the league from doing this? Hmm, my team is struggling this year and I want a title--I will go punch my coach, get my contact voided and then get signed by a contender. This is a dangerous path to go down if the NFL doesn't address this. 

The Raiders had the option of suspending Brown without pay for 4 weeks, but they chose not to do it. They also could have continued to fine him until he fell in line -- or else they could have suspended him (without pay) again.

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AB inferred with his recent comments that he wants out of the “system” to be “free.”  Then he goes to a team that not only embodies it, but is run by and overpopulated with the very demographic he apparently hates.

Total hypocrite.

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6 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

You think that he flew into training camp in a hot air balloon, got frostbite on his feet, flipped out about the helmet, and sacrificed $30M in guaranteed money because he didn't think that Carr was a good QB?

And he threw furniture off a 14th floor balcony and got up to all those antics for over a year in Pittsburgh because he just wanted out of there?

Does that really seem like the most likely explanation for what has gone on over the last couple of years?

Why don't we just give it this season and see?  I can't begin to say I know the mental thoughts in people's heads enough to say for certain but I do think in simple terms he got on the outside in Pittsburgh, he wanted out, he got out but didn't like the landing spot.  He and his agent knew the Patriots tried to trade for him so it's not crazy to think that at some point he said "okay, drew, get me the money and I'll scheme a way to get out of here". I don't know.  

But IF he goes to the Patriots and is a good citizen, then I'd say that says a lot that he orchestrated this to a degree until he got what he wanted.  That is all.

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8 minutes ago, Grigs Allmoon said:

So how do other celebrities, former players, etc. end up on sidelines so often?

He will get a ticket then and show up.  

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7 minutes ago, -X- said:

AB inferred with his recent comments that he wants out of the “system” to be “free.”  Then he goes to a team that not only embodies it, but is run by and overpopulated with the very demographic he apparently hates.

Total hypocrite.

Some systems are better than others.  He just found a system he thinks he likes better.

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43 minutes ago, GROOT said:

or  the psychiatrist exam

Man, wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall if he took the Rorschach Test?

Dat's a cracka!

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15 minutes ago, Steeler said:

AB's conduct over the last ~9 months makes it hard for me to see him keeping his nose clean for the any length of time.  His me-first attitude, penchant for posting crazy rants about his employer on social media, and constantly being late for meetings, practice, etc. seems like a bad fit in NE.  I mean, either AB has to completely change his stripes and act like an NFL player (showing up for meetings and paying attention, etc.) or NE has to give him preferential treatment.  Both seem unlikely at this point, but I would be surprised if NE allows his antics.  

I really don't see why so many people are doubting this scenario. Sure, his antics over the past year have been something we've never seen, but I really think going to NE will settle this guy down for at least a little while. Unless Brady has a major drop off and the offense stumbles for several weeks in a row, I don't see AB acting up.

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7 minutes ago, Grigs Allmoon said:

I really don't see why so many people are doubting this scenario. Sure, his antics over the past year have been something we've never seen, but I really think going to NE will settle this guy down for at least a little while. Unless Brady has a major drop off and the offense stumbles for several weeks in a row, I don't see AB acting up.

It's possible for AB to toe the line, sure.  But it would require a complete change in his behavior within the organization (I'm not even talking about all the public nonsense).  Will the Pats tolerate AB missing meetings or not paying attention in meetings or throwing temper tantrums on the field because HE didn't score a TD?  I don't think he is about winning, he is about his stats.  

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41 minutes ago, Shutout said:

I can't tell if this reaction is linked to the fact he wouldn't go to your bills but, just to clarify, I said I think he acted out to get out of Oakland, I didn't say anything about him starting this in Pittsburgh.   Those issues were whatever they were and my gut says when he was traded and got big money he WAS feeling good for a minute....until he landed in Oakland and found out it was going to be a bad team and then at some point saw the reality he could get to a contender.  

We all thought the raiders were super bowl contenders but the offseason just ruined it.

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3 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tampering?  Like was this his play the whole time?  Can the NFL let this stand?

So AB intended all along to give up $30 million so he could get $9 million instead?

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 Is there any way you can block a specific thread to keep it from bumping to the top every 30 seconds?

 

Asking for a friend.      :lol:

 

 

 TZM

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

So AB intended all along to give up $30 million so he could get $9 million instead?

he gave up 15 million in 2019 to get 15 million in 2019. plus a chance to get more than 15 in 2020 and beyond

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Moss was able to make it work for 3 seasons before wanting out, AB will probably be able to last a while despite the crazies.

And people wonder why the NFL ratings are declining...

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5 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

So AB intended all along to give up $30 million so he could get $9 million instead?

Why do people keep saying this?

From ESPN:

”New England is giving Brown a one-year deal worth up to $15 million, Rosenhaus said. It includes a $9 million signing bonus, $10 million guaranteed and $5 million in incentives.”

First, it’s $10M guaranteed, not $9M.

Second, it’s worth up to $15M.  For this year.

Third, he wasn’t getting paid $30M by the Raiders solely for the 2019 season.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

he gave up 15 million in 2019 to get 15 million in 2019. plus a chance to get more than 15 in 2020 and beyond

There's no thinking with someone like him. He's sure he's the best in the game and teams will line up for him. 

I think this could be the dumbest move the Pat's have made. 9 million guaranteed us too much to gamble. They usually bring in players like him cheap. It'll be interesting to watch though. I'm dieing to see Brady miss him twice in a row and watch AB try not to lose it.

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Just now, Smack Tripper said:

Is there any league action possible or required when one employee threatens another?

Probably not possible. I wonder how many players threaten other players in the heat of the moment?

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1 minute ago, Buckna said:

And people wonder why the NFL ratings are declining...

Weren't the 2018 ratings, as a whole, the highest ever?

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2 minutes ago, Grigs Allmoon said:

Weren't the 2018 ratings, as a whole, the highest ever?

5% higher than 2017 after two years of decline. Lowest rated Super Bowl in 11 years.

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15 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

There's no thinking with someone like him. He's sure he's the best in the game and teams will line up for him. 

I think this could be the dumbest move the Pat's have made. 9 million guaranteed us too much to gamble. They usually bring in players like him cheap. It'll be interesting to watch though. I'm dieing to see Brady miss him twice in a row and watch AB try not to lose it.

At this point, who else can the Patriots spend that $15 million on?

There may be an opportunity during the season to make a trade and take on some salary. But, truly great players rarely come available mid-season.

The Patriots maintain some salary cap flexibility so that they can seize opportunities when they arise. A great player became available and the Patriots seized the moment.

 

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15 minutes ago, Buckna said:

5% higher than 2017 after two years of decline. Lowest rated Super Bowl in 11 years.

I'd hardly consider that a trend.

I know the Kaep thing soured some folks in that time range, and the SB last year was a turd, so no surprise it was rated a bit low.

That said, I do think this is going to start hurting the NFL if they keep empowering players in these situations and let stars pout their way out of bad situations, to join a top team. They are going to lose fans of the bottom teams by droves.

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22 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

There's no thinking with someone like him. He's sure he's the best in the game and teams will line up for him. 

I think this could be the dumbest move the Pat's have made. 9 million guaranteed us too much to gamble. They usually bring in players like him cheap. It'll be interesting to watch though. I'm dieing to see Brady miss him twice in a row and watch AB try not to lose it.

From what I understand, Pats have the same eject levers available to them that the raiders have. If AB acts up he’ll be gone and guarantees will be voided. 

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3 minutes ago, Dynasty said:

At this point, who else can the Patriots spend that $15 million on?

A star in next year's FA period.

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3 minutes ago, Dynasty said:

At this point, who else can the Patriots spend that $15 million on?

There may be an opportunity during the season to make a trade and take on some salary. But, truly great players rarely come available mid-season.

The Patriots maintain some salary cap flexibility so that they can seize opportunities when they arise. A great player became available and the Patriots seized the moment.

 

Whoa! @Dynasty sighting 👍

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34 minutes ago, cap'n grunge said:

Probably not possible. I wonder how many players threaten other players in the heat of the moment?

Yeah but what if he did that to a secretary?  

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Some of you guys are taking this WAAAY too seriously. A lot of heads hanging and moral compasses firing off. AB is a clown and now he’s on the Patriots. The only thing I care about is how this affects the fantasy landscape not all of this melodrama. I mean I get it, it’s gonna get discussed, but some need to take a step back and realize how they’re acting and where their priorities are. 

The Patriots are actually the last place I wanted him to go because now there’s gonna be an entire conspiracy subplot that people will mention like they did deflate gate. Boo hoo the Patriots are cheaters. Really wish he went somewhere else so we could do without that. 

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1 hour ago, Grigs Allmoon said:

I really don't see why so many people are doubting this scenario. Sure, his antics over the past year have been something we've never seen, but I really think going to NE will settle this guy down for at least a little while. Unless Brady has a major drop off and the offense stumbles for several weeks in a row, I don't see AB acting up.

Winning tends to dampen drama. AB will be fine now that football is starting. 

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11 minutes ago, [icon] said:

From what I understand, Pats have the same eject levers available to them that the raiders have. If AB acts up he’ll be gone and guarantees will be voided. 

It will all be good until he goes after Belichick with a shiv because he can’t wear a helmet with the old Pat Patriot logo.

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Awesome that you can not show up for work, threaten your boss with violence, call him racist names, illegally record someone and get your way. America 2019, yay. Biggest piece of crap ever, and I hope he gets whats coming to him.

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43 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Tampering?  Like was this his play the whole time?  Can the NFL let this stand?

This is so awesome!  Week 1 of the NFL season, and the Salty Haters are already crying about Patriots conspiracy theories.  😂

Re-hashing the same debunked tinfoil hat conspiracies, no less:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/questions-raised-about-blount-orchestrating-his-return-to-patriots/

"Questions have been raised this week in Phoenix about whether Patriots running back LeGarrette Blount purposely got himself cut by the Steelers with the knowledge that if he left Pittsburgh, he could return to New England.

But the conspiracy theories don’t make a lot of sense. Even if Blount was purposely acting out because he was unhappy in Pittsburgh, he had no way of knowing for sure that his act would result in the Steelers waiving him. It could have just as easily resulted in the Steelers suspending him or benching him, options that wouldn’t have had the desired effect."

Now this is:

"Questions have been raised this week in Phoenix in Crazytown about whether Patriots running back LeGarrette Blount wide receiver Antonio Brown purposely got himself cut by the Steelers Raiders with the knowledge that if he left Pittsburgh Oakland, he could return to sign with New England.

But the conspiracy theories don’t make a lot of sense. Even if Blount Brown was purposely acting out because he was unhappy in Pittsburgh Oakland, he had no way of knowing for sure that his act would result in the Steelers Raiders waiving him. It could have just as easily resulted in the Steelers Raiders suspending him or benching him, options that wouldn’t have had the desired effect."

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Just now, irish eyes said:

Awesome that you can not show up for work, threaten your boss with violence, call him racist names, illegally record someone and get your way. America 2019, yay. Biggest piece of crap ever, and I hope he gets whats coming to him.

Pretty much the new Hitler.

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Number of posts on batshyte Antonio Brown today: 1250

Number of posts in the Julio thread on the day he broke a huge financial barrier for NFL players with his mostly fully guaranteed $22m/Year contract?: 5

Maybe we’re the problem...

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11 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

Some of you guys are taking this WAAAY too seriously. A lot of heads hanging and moral compasses firing off. AB is a clown and now he’s on the Patriots. The only thing I care about is how this affects the fantasy landscape not all of this melodrama. I mean I get it, it’s gonna get discussed, but some need to take a step back and realize how they’re acting and where their priorities are. 

Well, hell, where have you been? We've been needing you to tell us how you feel, so we know how we should feel.

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5 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

Awesome that you can not show up for work, threaten your boss with violence, call him racist names, illegally record someone and get your way. America 2019, yay. Biggest piece of crap ever, and I hope he gets whats coming to him.

 

4 minutes ago, McJose said:

Pretty much the new Hitler.

What in the world are you talking about.  

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Fantasywise I'm not sure what to think.  It'll be hard for Edelman, Gordon, and Brown to all excel in fantasy.  Thank God Gronk isn't also part of the pie.  The Patriots will not stop running the ball.  In fact, they will be more successful running it because defenses will have to honor the pass game more.  I also think defenses will put more focus on Gordon than Edelman or Brown.  Fantasy footballers always assume that the players with the biggest stats are the best.  It's not true.  Defenses have to respect size and speed.  Brown has neither.  He is finesse.  Gordon is a beast.  He can't be single-teamed.  This is why Sammy Watkins gets paid more than any slot receiver despite not putting up big numbers.

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Seems clear to me AB didn't want to be apart of the Raidahsss.  So he sabotaged it, and now he's a patriot......clearly, he knew he'd be a Pat if he could get out of his raiders contract.....sucks for the raiders.

 

Ok, so now this goes one of two ways....

1) he tows the line, has a nice season, and a good shot at a SB.

2) once the honeymoon is over, he falls back on his diva antics, and it all falls apart for him.

I have no idea how it will go, but he's not going to be targeted like he was in Pitt.....the Pats adjust their gameplan week to week more than any other team.....and Brady, at this stage in his career, is not what he was when he had Randy Moss.  Does anyone really see AB as a teammate who will sacrifice his own glory for the big picture??

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3 minutes ago, Don Hutson said:

Fantasywise I'm not sure what to think.  It'll be hard for Edelman, Gordon, and Brown to all excel in fantasy.  Thank God Gronk isn't also part of the pie.  The Patriots will not stop running the ball.  In fact, they will be more successful running it because defenses will have to honor the pass game more.  I also think defenses will put more focus on Gordon than Edelman or Brown.  Fantasy footballers always assume that the players with the biggest stats are the best.  It's not true.  Defenses have to respect size and speed.  Brown has neither.  He is finesse.  Gordon is a beast.  He can't be single-teamed.  This is why Sammy Watkins gets paid more than any slot receiver despite not putting up big numbers.

...yet.

I agree with running the ball - I think this opens it up for Michel. He is the obvious beneficiary from what I see besides Brady of course. With defenses having to monitor AB, Gordon annnd Edelman there should be plenty of room at the line of scrimmage. 

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Damn it’s salty in here lol. 

 

Brilliantly played by AB.  He gets out of the hellhole of the raiders, goes to a winner and will end up making more money in the long run more than likely.  He just ended up with the best QB he’s ever had too.  He will have a huge year, Congrats to everyone who rolled the dice on him. 

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