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11 minutes ago, Ray Barboni said:

So another Helmetgate upcoming? 

... or can he still wear it, just not any partnership?

LOL... I'm sure they cannot prevent him from wearing it.  That would be illegal AFAIK.

This reminded me that I read somewhere that some fashion designers pay the Jersey Shore cast to NOT wear their stuff.  :lmao:

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25 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

LOL... I'm sure they cannot prevent him from wearing it.  That would be illegal AFAIK.

This reminded me that I read somewhere that some fashion designers pay the Jersey Shore cast to NOT wear their stuff.  :lmao:

Lmao ... it’s a shame more companies don’t follow this lead. 

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33 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It is definitely not irrelevant to the NFL.

The NFL is a lot more concerned with their public relations and perceptions.  The personal conduct policy exists as a vehicle to disincentivize players doing things that paint the NFL in a bad light.  I suspect there are violations of the PCP that we never know about... and then others that aren't really a violation but give enough bad PR that the NFL can find away to apply the broad PCP to punish the player.

Marijuana is the contradiction to what I just said...  It's hilarious in a way that the NFL doesn't want players using marijuana to give the league bad PR... except for the only way that the public knows the players use marijuana is because the NFL tests for and suspends for it.  Dummies.

The NFL does what it does independent of what the judicial system does, was the point.

Definitely agree that the NFL is very conscious of PR/perceptions.  We've all heard about protecting the shield.

 

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On 9/13/2019 at 2:35 PM, Hankmoody said:

That is not at all what that means.

Christo is purportedly a lawyer and in this case, he's correct. Being charged criminally means somebody has decided that there's enough evidence to charge you with a crime and remove your freedom to move within society as you wish, believing they can win a case beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime occurred. A civil suit has a standard of preponderance of the evidence, which means it's a proposition whether some lawyer somewhere believes he can advocate enough for someone to where there's a greater than 50% chance that the evidence presented to the jury allows them to find the accused "guilty" of the trespass committed against the person. Or battery. Or whatever legal term you can muster. Thing is, it's the process.

Criminal - evidence leads to an affirmation that there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard of guilt.

Civil - evidence leads to an affirmation of a preponderance of evidence in favor of the plaintiff's claims standard of guilt.

Christo is pretty much right on all accounts of what you're arguing. 

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:
2 hours ago, Christo said:

Of course it does. If he had been arrested and charged that would mean an objective third party had decided there was enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he had raped her. Here, all she's done is convince a few lawyers there's slightly better than a 50/50 chance they might get some money out of AB.

That is not at all what that means.

Yes, it is. Prosecutors don't go around charging famous people if they don't think they can get a conviction.

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Who would have thought back in June or thereabouts that trading tyreek hill for Antonio brown after his audio tape would find me sitting here at this juncture. I wasn’t happy to take brown on but with a team ready to win now I couldn’t lose reek for the year and survive, and the only knock on him was his ego and being on the raiders. Tell me then that week 2 he will be playing on the patriots and I should certainly feel good about that, right? RIGHT?!?!

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6 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Who would have thought back in June or thereabouts that trading tyreek hill for Antonio brown after his audio tape would find me sitting here at this juncture. I wasn’t happy to take brown on but with a team ready to win now I couldn’t lose reek for the year and survive, and the only knock on him was his ego and being on the raiders. Tell me then that week 2 he will be playing on the patriots and I should certainly feel good about that, right? RIGHT?!?!

How would you feel with Hill right now?

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I don't own Brown....but anyone worried he may not be a WR1? With Gordon, Edelman, and White....I don't see Brady forcing it to Brown. Then again....It's Hoodie so it don't matter.

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3 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

I don't own Brown....but anyone worried he may not be a WR1? With Gordon, Edelman, and White....I don't see Brady forcing it to Brown. Then again....It's Hoodie so it don't matter.

Definitely. He was a high volume guy playing pitch and catch with Ben who could extend plays. That's a very unPatriots-like recipe. As Jerry said, there's only so much pie.

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On 9/11/2019 at 3:04 PM, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I was raised to treat women with respect, as ladies.  They were not routinely degraded in language, in song, or in media or art depictions, though it was not a wholly un-sexualized environment.  I could not imagine mounting an unconscious woman, an intoxicated to helplessness one (Not the facts of this case but common facts in this generation).  I could not imagine date rape (not uncommon, I suppose, or not unheard of, certainly, in my generation).  masturbating onto the back of a woman turned away, absent any sort of understanding, it would be inconceivable.  Now in Brown's generation, with their language of "#####es" and "hos", with media and art depictions of them as only objects to serve a man's desires, of buddies supporting misogynistic behavior, could I see it.  Still no, but I can see that an argument could be made against video games, current music, current culture, and current movies.  I am surprised it has not yet been made when it is a common argument in gun threads.  I believe the argument is that we are a uniquely sick society and that the sickness has symptoms which includes behavior like this.  I never hear the argument made quite so succinctly, but I think that is it.

I know I'm late here but, I agree and disagree. Back in the 80s the PMRC if you remember tried to go after Metal music blaming them for teen and young adult suicide. Back in the 80s we also had Glam Metal that routinely sung about sex Drugs and having a good time. What the PMRC wasn't expecting was a guy from Twisted Sister named Dee Snider who was incredible intelligent and articulate in speaking in DC. The only thing that ended up happening was a little Parental Advisory sticker which made even more people buy the albums. 

I will argue I think some music and games shouldn't be played or listen to by people of certain ages. I had a friend who's mom wasn't happy with her one son playing GTA and Call of Duty games but her husband allowed. Their daughter was my age and we're about 12 or so yrs older then him. Video games are rated M for a reason. I don't think these games should be played  by anyone under 18 honestly and if you are selling to an adult who gives it to a child it should be treated similar to buying cigs or beer for a minor. As for the music the hypocrisy by the PMRC was appalling when you had rap artist at the time singing about the above highlight. Then in the 90s you had bands like Nirvana coming out about how much their lives sucked and should just end it. But no one ever made the up roar on either genre like they did metal. 

I think we as a society need to be more aware what our kids are doing or seeing at a young age. Some parents let their kids run wild like the Wild West not realizing they have issues mentally and other things triggered by listening or playing certain things. I got little white 10 yrs olds in my suburban main line town dropping N bombs and acting like they are from the hood. These kids need a good parental rearing. We had issues with these kids at my store and had to call the cops. The parents were oblivious of what their kids were doing and tried blaming us for their kids acting out. We told them if you can't control your kids then you can't shop here either. We can't have them terrorizing the customers, breaking glass etc. Our store isn't their personal playground. Granted I'm not saying these kids will grow up to be future mass school shooters just that parents have no idea what their kids are doing and should. Then they blame others. I think first and foremost we need to take a look at ourselves and see what we can do to prevent these issues. Like the parents with kids committing suicide in the 80s parents today don't want to be accountable for their child being the next school shooter or beating some girl. To them it's someone else fault and thats not right. Society shouldn't have to babysit your entitled d-bag child. 

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4 hours ago, Casting Couch said:

I'm asking the same question, a criminal case would have much more impact, I think.

I think the league not putting AB on the exempt list tells answers that question. Because AB hasn't been charged yet he's eligible until further notice. The minute he's charged he's getting put on the list  

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4 hours ago, davearm said:

Not sure why this continues to be so confusing for so many.

There is criminal law.

There is civil law.

There is the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Each of these three is independent of the other two.

The NFL is solely concerned with whether its own personal conduct policy has been violated.  What is or isn't happening in the other two arenas is largely irrelevant, from the NFL's perspective.

I think people are confused what the two above bolded really mean. I know I couldn't tell you the difference and even reading about it, well to most non law professionals it looks like Mandarin or another language to us. So maybe someone simple English explaining this would help some people out and be less confused. 

The NFL's personal conduct policy is as long as he HASN'T BEEN CHARGED HE'S ELIGIBLE 

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11 hours ago, [icon] said:

No exempt list. 

Pats are about to [redacted] on the rest of the NFL’s back :lol: 

 

 

 

:lol:   LOL!!!

Respectfully disagree, though.  The Pats are about to [redacted] on the rest of the NFL's front.  In not saying no to any part of AB's clown show, these present charges pending, the NFL has given consent and said aim here.

 

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On 9/11/2019 at 3:04 PM, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I was raised to treat women with respect, as ladies.  They were not routinely degraded in language, in song, or in media or art depictions, though it was not a wholly un-sexualized environment.  I could not imagine mounting an unconscious woman, an intoxicated to helplessness one (Not the facts of this case but common facts in this generation).  I could not imagine date rape (not uncommon, I suppose, or not unheard of, certainly, in my generation).  masturbating onto the back of a woman turned away, absent any sort of understanding, it would be inconceivable.  Now in Brown's generation, with their language of "#####es" and "hos", with media and art depictions of them as only objects to serve a man's desires, of buddies supporting misogynistic behavior, could I see it.  Still no, but I can see that an argument could be made against video games, current music, current culture, and current movies.  I am surprised it has not yet been made when it is a common argument in gun threads.  I believe the argument is that we are a uniquely sick society and that the sickness has symptoms which includes behavior like this.  I never hear the argument made quite so succinctly, but I think that is it.

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It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

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It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

Sir,  the MeToo movement is hardly cart blanche for conviction without due process.  Believe it not, there are actually false claims made against famous and wealthy people.

When we defend due process, we defend America. 

Good day.

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8 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

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It's hard to fathom with the MeToo movement over the last couple years that anyone would argue tooth and nail defending this guy. But the recent exploitation cases like Epstein show that corruption and cover up extend to the highest level so we really should expect nothing less in here.

nothing to do with it..this story just stinks of a money grab

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Antonio Brown is expected to play in Week 2 against Miami.

Brown is facing serious allegations in a civil lawsuit and only has two weeks in New England's scheme. It's still possible he ends up inactive, but he made the trip to Miami and looks on track to play. The Patriots gave Brown a $9 million signing bonus and likely want to get whatever they can from him before his accuser meets with the NFL next week. Brown's role is hard to forecast, but his matchup is good enough to overcome playbook and playing time concerns.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Sep 14, 2019, 12:28 PM ET

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He's going to go off tomorrow... 10 150 2 ...  has to make up for missing last week... fire up the theme Darth Vader Imperial March 

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What’s the O/U on “some kinda stuff happening between now & game time”? 

:unsure:

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8 minutes ago, oswizzle said:

He's going to go off tomorrow... 10 150 2 ...  has to make up for missing last week... fire up the theme Darth Vader Imperial March 

Gimme the under on all 3 of those stats. 

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7 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Who is starting him tomorrow?  What do people expect?  The range of outcomes is pretty wide.

Hoodie likes to show people how smart he is. So I’m betting they could be up 30 & still throw to him in the RZ.

fearless forecast: 5 targets, 4 receptions, 62 yards, 1 TD. 

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26 minutes ago, Steeler said:

Who is starting him tomorrow?  What do people expect?  The range of outcomes is pretty wide.

 

Mostly a decoy, only in a few packages as he picks up the Erhardt-Perkins terminology, but let loose on a few plays. 4-85-1 seems about right.

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2 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

 

Mostly a decoy, only in a few packages as he picks up the Erhardt-Perkins terminology, but let loose on a few plays. 4-85-1 seems about right.

yep.  2-4 catches.  MAYBE a TD but I doubt it.

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I think they will get the ball to him. Otherwise he'll interpret it as making it hard to make his incentive money which is half his pay. 5-95-2

 

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All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

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11 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

wawawa...

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25 minutes ago, ninerfan said:

What's the over/under on AB getting his block knocked off tomorrow?  💥 🚑...…..

If he played LAST week, that over/under would’ve been MUCH higher. 

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2 hours ago, irish eyes said:

All that needs to be said is he is a scumbag of the worst kind, and he went to the biggest scumbag franchise in the league.  Hooray for the nfl,.

Drop it. Nothing will be reported faster than stuff about the Patriots. 

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 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. :unsure:

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. :unsure:

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

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1 minute ago, DropKick said:

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

I would be surprised if he sees more than 4 targets. 

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Just now, DropKick said:

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

I was thinking 3/24/0 until I read he's stayed until 10pm each night working on route progressions with Stidham.  He might eat into Edelman's share.

NFL meets with Accuser Monday.  They will probably try to arbitrate conclusion of the settlement talks AB and accuser were involved in before she went live in a leverage play.

But they would never admit this of course.  If said arbitration fails, look for AB to go on exempt list next week.

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12 minutes ago, DropKick said:

To be honest, I'm intrigued to so how NE uses him and how well he plays.  You know, the "football" side of the house.

 I’m kind of hoping he shows up to the stadium wearing a  full length fur coat,  wearing a  custom T-shirt that says “hell yes I did it!” red-eyed and reeking of booze,  with a  discount hooker on each arm and traces of blow under his nostrils. 

 We are all entertained in different ways. :pickle:

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9 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 I’m kind of hoping he shows up to the stadium wearing a  full length fur coat,  wearing a  custom T-shirt that says “hell yes I did it!” red-eyed and reeking of booze,  with a  discount hooker on each arm and traces of blow under his nostrils. 

 We are all entertained in different ways. :pickle:

Gave me an image of an 80's era Hulk Hogan striding to the mat escorted by Antonio Brown with a blonde moustache.

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27 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

I was thinking 3/24/0 until I read he's stayed until 10pm each night working on route progressions with Stidham.  He might eat into Edelman's share.

NFL meets with Accuser Monday.  They will probably try to arbitrate conclusion of the settlement talks AB and accuser were involved in before she went live in a leverage play.

But they would never admit this of course.  If said arbitration fails, look for AB to go on exempt list next week.

Unless the accuser has a smoking gun, slam dunk piece of evidence, I don't think the league will put AB on the exempt list. It hasn't happened before, and I don't think they want to open up pandora's box here either. Big Ben had essentially the same exact thing happen for his first sexual assault allegation (civil suit) and he played the entire season. Sure Ben eventually got a 6 game suspension for a second incident and was ultimately not charged. Zeke got a 6 game suspension and was not charged (but that also was based on other incidents). The commonality in these cases has been that a police investigation was involved and then a league investigation. Short of a videotape, the league has taken their time and made their decisions at the back end of things, not at the beginning . . . especially when the police was not involved and criminal charges at least considered. That's my take, and given the way the league has responded to these issues, maybe they throw out precedent and set a new bar and new standard for the future.

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7 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Unless the accuser has a smoking gun, slam dunk piece of evidence, I don't think the league will put AB on the exempt list. It hasn't happened before, and I don't think they want to open up pandora's box here either. Big Ben had essentially the same exact thing happen for his first sexual assault allegation (civil suit) and he played the entire season. Sure Ben eventually got a 6 game suspension for a second incident and was ultimately not charged. Zeke got a 6 game suspension and was not charged (but that also was based on other incidents). The commonality in these cases has been that a police investigation was involved and then a league investigation. Short of a videotape, the league has taken their time and made their decisions at the back end of things, not at the beginning . . . especially when the police was not involved and criminal charges at least considered. That's my take, and given the way the league has responded to these issues, maybe they throw out precedent and set a new bar and new standard for the future.

You may be right, but relying on precedent and historical consistency is NOT something I'd be leaning hard on.  As such, I think we have absolutely NO idea how and when this will be handled by, to quote Jesus Quintana, "those f###s in the league office."  

 

As always, just my opinion.

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Brown gets worried about his guarantees getting voided, fakes a major injury at today's game, NE has to IR him. 

If the game wasn't in Miami, he could claim frostbite.

Nah... that would be absurd.

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3 minutes ago, [icon] said:

:lol:  this Memphis chick offered to forget all the rapin’ for $2 Million. AB told her to pound sand. 

Yeah, suuuure this isn’t a cash grab... :lol: 

Hey now....it was only $1.6 million.

I would speculate the negotiation stalled at 200k versus 1.2 million.  Her leverage (third party league wanting to save face) has gone up but doubt there is a smoking gun, so I would guess the final number will be in the 500k range.  Which is criminal if you believe her, and criminal if you don't believe her.  C'est la vie.

Are there any rumors about what Ben and Kobe paid, respectively?

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 Kind of a quiet news morning for Antonio Brown.

Maybe a little too quiet if you ask me. :unsure:

Getting down to the FF side of things, I currently have him on my bench in favor of DK Metcalf in a non-ppr.  Came here looking for justification to put him in my lineup but I'm not finding it. 

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9 minutes ago, Zow said:

Getting down to the FF side of things, I currently have him on my bench in favor of DK Metcalf in a non-ppr.  Came here looking for justification to put him in my lineup but I'm not finding it. 

Also in a standard scoring. I have him in my flex spot over AP and Ross.  All the projections are low on him, but he’s an elite talent with an elite QB in the easiest of matchups. I’m going with his upside knowing it could be a zero just as easily. 

 

I dont blame you for starting DK. I probably would too. 

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