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Can Patriots fans say they don't want him loudly enough and then complain that nobody hears the Patriot fans insisting they don't want him?

What a weird dynamic this is. We get it. You hate the guy. It seems everybody have saved their five minutes of hate for 'Tonio. He's a piece of work and then some, and I don't underemphasize the "then some." Just an ###.

But as someone who rosters Gordon, I'm all in favor of long suspensions.

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18 minutes ago, socrates said:

I don't know that AB's text messages should be characterized as threatening. 

You're correct in there does not seem to be a direct threat, but just the act of targeting her via messaging and posting pictures of her children while asking this mysterious "Eric B" to "look into her background history" can certainly be seen as threatening.

Her lawyer makes a strong point about this sort of behavior being a primary reason why women are afraid to come forward.

Having said that... has it been confirmed that this group text was sent by AB? If it was, I believe that he will be taking a seat.

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41 minutes ago, Heisenberg23 said:

What if all NFL players acted this way? You would have absolute chaos. I know in my job that I would have been fired a long time ago for this awful behavior. It’s beyond ridiculous now NFL and he should be on the Exempt List prior to Sunday - everyone except his fantasy owners would rejoice ! 

I am on record that AB is whatever condescending word anyone wants to call him. But let’s play this concept out a little. Most John Q. Public’s would have been fired when they threatened their general manager. But then they would have been able to have been hired immediately at another employer. 

In the regular world, all the off field personal stuff probably would not have come out and impacted someone’s job. Would your boss find out about a civil suit? Would a boss hear about private emails and texts? It would be extremely unlikely a team of reporters across the country would be doing a deep dive into anyone’s private life from a shipping or accounting department. 

No one should shed a tear for an infringement on AB’s privacy. He’s made tens of millions of dollars. It comes with the territory being a public figure and star athlete. But Regular Joe’s do gain a sense of anonymity that Brown can’t benefit from. I am sure there will be more to come out. Speeding tickets. Unpaid parking tickets. Repossessed vehicles. Missed child support payments. Who knows what other dirt will come out. It still comes back to whether being not a nice guy with no police involvement, no law enforcement investigation, and no criminal charges is considered an exempt able or suspend-able situation.

We all know RG COULD do whatever he wants . . . but one would think that a fair amount of NFL players could have plenty of skeletons in their closets.   Does the league really want full disclosure on other players dirty laundry?

i also heard a discussion on the ramifications of AB if he were to face discipline by the league. It could dramatically swing his court case before he even stepped into a courtroom. The woman’s attorneys could cite his discipline as proof he should be held liable . . . based on a rushed independent investigation by the league potentially fueled and supported by the media. Again, no one should feel bad for AB, but the way this case has gone from the alleged incident going forward really seems like it’s been a complete end around to the way the legal and criminal justice was set up to work. 

So to summarize . . . Prayers for the victim if she was harmed. AB still a jerk. League should let professional investigators handle incidents (and traditionally that would involve cases where people actually filed a formal complaint with the proper authorities).

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If these messages were truly threatening and intimidating why are her lawyers running to an SI writer and the NFL and not the police? Seems really strange.

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3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I am on record that AB is whatever condescending word anyone wants to call him. But let’s play this concept out a little. Most John Q. Public’s would have been fired when they threatened their general manager. But then they would have been able to have been hired immediately at another employer. 

In the regular world, all the off field personal stuff probably would not have come out and impacted someone’s job. Would your boss find out about a civil suit? Would a boss hear about private emails and texts? It would be extremely unlikely a team of reporters across the country would be doing a deep dive into anyone’s private life from a shipping or accounting department. 

No one should shed a tear for an infringement on AB’s privacy. He’s made tens of millions of dollars. It comes with the territory being a public figure and star athlete. But Regular Joe’s do gain a sense of anonymity that Brown can’t benefit from. I am sure there will be more to come out. Speeding tickets. Unpaid parking tickets. Repossessed vehicles. Missed child support payments. Who knows what other dirt will come out. It still comes back to whether being not a nice guy with no police involvement, no law enforcement investigation, and no criminal charges is considered an exempt able or suspend-able situation.

We all know RG COULD do whatever he wants . . . but one would think that a fair amount of NFL players could have plenty of skeletons in their closets.   Does the league really want full disclosure on other players dirty laundry?

i also heard a discussion on the ramifications of AB if he were to face discipline by the league. It could dramatically swing his court case before he even stepped into a courtroom. The woman’s attorneys could cite his discipline as proof he should be held liable . . . based on a rushed independent investigation by the league potentially fueled and supported by the media. Again, no one should feel bad for AB, but the way this case has gone from the alleged incident going forward really seems like it’s been a complete end around to the way the legal and criminal justice was set up to work. 

So to summarize . . . Prayers for the victim if she was harmed. AB still a jerk. League should let professional investigators handle incidents (and traditionally that would involve cases where people actually filed a formal complaint with the proper authorities).

Never thought about this. I wonder if there are examples of this playing out with other players (or public figures in general).

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12 minutes ago, brun said:

Never thought about this. I wonder if there are examples of this playing out with other players (or public figures in general).

If we stop and think about it, the traditional path to litigation is a tough burden of proof standard by law enforcement that often leads to no charges filed. So instead get the league to do it with a much lower threshold by people that are not criminal investigators where there is no assumption or ramifications for people they talk to to tell the truth. No one they talk to can face perjury or obstruction charges. They have no legal authority. 

So the woman could get a sloppy, expedited investigation that perfectly fits her narrative for her court case and get it in weeks instead of months or years had the police gotten involved. Do we really want the NFL being an accountable agency and organization to make legal decisions? The legal system is bad enough as it is . . . Do we really want the league to set a new bar based on their track record for making impeccable, well thought of decisions?

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I find it pathetic anyone asking to give this guy a pass. Of all the sexual harassment allegations we have seen, we now openly see targeted harassment, of one’s children no less, and people want “due process”. #### that. This is repeated behavior by a trash human. Guy deserves no quarter.

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If AB really Elijah Dukes'd threatened this woman, he's played his last game this season.

 

EDIT: I should be careful about that, we don't know exactly what the texts contained and I think if Brown did what Dukes did, he'd be in court already because police would've intervened.

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16 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

If these messages were truly threatening and intimidating why are her lawyers running to an SI writer and the NFL and not the police? Seems really strange.

You are assuming this has not occurred, correct?

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This guy, AB is a ##### bag of the tallest order. Get this dude off the field!! My god!! And I have him in a few leagues. This guy doesn’t deserve the NFL nor any of the money/power that comes with it. What a POS. 

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3 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

You are assuming this has not occurred, correct?

Are you assuming Klemko wouldn’t have reported that if that were the case? 

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5 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

If AB really Elijah Dukes'd threatened this woman, he's played his last game this season.

 

EDIT: I should be careful about that, we don't know exactly what the texts contained and I think if Brown did what Dukes did, he'd be in court already because police would've intervened.

The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person. 

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Put me in the camp that this guy has to be on the exempt list.

This is the exact thing it is for.

The NFL set this precedent, they need to live by it of holding people to the standard the injected into certain cases for all. 

From Zeke to Gordon.

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15 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person. 

Now read it pretending you are a woman who is suing him and was raped by him (allegedly).

They can be considered intimidating. What one person can say to one may not be intimidating to another. 

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1 minute ago, tackle for loss said:

Put me in the camp that this guy has to be on the exempt list.

This is the exact thing it is for.

The NFL set this precedent, they need to live by it of holding people to the standard the injected into certain cases for all. 

From Zeke to Gordon.

I'd rather the Patriots cut him or suspend him indefinitely. 

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NFL is in a tough spot. Still no criminal charges so their hands are tied. And as long as there are unethical guys like Belichick around, these guys will always find a soft landing spot.  

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20 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

Are you assuming Klemko wouldn’t have reported that if that were the case? 

I honestly don't know if the police were contacted or not? How could I?

By your message it sounds like you know for a fact that this is the case.

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8 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Now read it pretending you are a woman who is suing him and was raped by him (allegedly).

They can be considered intimidating. What one person can say to one may not be intimidating to another. 

Wrong woman. It’s the woman who painted the mural in his house.

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24 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person. 

There was no direct physical threat and its probably open to interpretation on an individual level what one would consider to be intimidating, but I would think at a minimum any reasonable person would consider these to be harassment.  He's certainly not making contact with her to have a friendly chat about the situation and any time you bring someone's kids into it that's going to escalate the situation.

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27 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person. 

Sending a photo of anyone's kids in any manner other than, these are excellent kids, is completely unacceptable. 

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On a slightly different note...I wanted to relay observations of the quick press conference he had. 

-I'm not sure how many questions he answered, I only saw one or two, but I saw/heard that New England has really good handlers just off of where the media was surrounding him..."Last question" as it was caught on the microphones and Brown looked like he was reading a script. AB is proof almost anyone can follow the Patriots rules but they seem to have a built in system of people that orchestrate the social media, print media, TV media, they can take rotten stories that would derail other franchises and they just move forward.

I agree with all posters who are advocating Brown be put on Commish list. I think even a few weeks there will send a loud and clear message to the rest of the players...that alone will make Goodell follow thru because if he doesn't this thing could snowball with other players on other teams. 

-He must protect the SHIELD 😉

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5 minutes ago, fruity pebbles said:

It’s the posting of pictures of her kids that throws it over the top for me. Any time that happens, you are bordering on intimidation at minimum imo. 

It's the "I'm not touching you ... I'm not touching you!" of intimidation -- Brown's words in the text just barely staying on the right side of the line so that any intimidation has to be inferred and he can claim deniability of intent.

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

I also heard a discussion on the ramifications of AB if he were to face discipline by the league. It could dramatically swing his court case before he even stepped into a courtroom. The woman’s attorneys could cite his discipline as proof he should be held liable . . . based on a rushed independent investigation by the league potentially fueled and supported by the media.

One Captain-Obvious thing that your post reminds of:

There is a significant contingent of the national sports media that believes it's effed up, improper, and incorrect that Antonio Brown has an NFL job right now. But they're not content to merely heap dung on Brown from afar -- they want to effect change through their own actions as media. Whether it's finding that one smoking gun, or else finding a bunch more of smaller "mini-offenses" to throw on the bonfire ... they want him gone and will happily make themselves part of the news to make it happen.

To wit: Where was Klemko's SI article in, say, July?

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2 hours ago, irish eyes said:

When is the nfl going to take this vile piece of gutter trash off the field. Just unbelievable. 

Grown men raging on social media and message boards at the NFL's reality TV efforts.

Like my wife yelling at the TV when a Housewife of Portland gets into a fake fight with that Housewife of Memphis.

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6 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

The texts are available for consumption on-line. They are not intimidating or threatening to any reasonable person. 

AB sent what he sent to his attorney. Dumb move but pretty sure he was not threatening her if he CC'd his attorney about his concerns.

Are his comments "Threatening"? "Menacing"? "Intimidating"? "Harassing?" With the intent to scare her? Those are words the media has put in the headlines. Another case AB using poor judgment, acting stupidly, and ill-advised. But criminal?

To me it sounds like he is concerned that another woman is fabricating a story about him as a potential candidate to demand money. He included pictures of her kids to illustrate that she is broke and needs money. I don't read any threats in what he sent, but others may view it differently. But people will see the headline that he THREATENED her so that's the perception people will have.

The woman and her attorney went right to the NFL . . . and by extension right to the media. So another potential instance of avoiding law enforcement or trying things in a court. But they know they will get AB convicted in a court of popular opinion.

I would expect there will be more and more layered on this and more is destined to come out. That he cheated on a test in school. That he was handsy with a woman on a date back in high school. That he was drunk in a bar in Michigan and called someone inappropriate names 10 years ago. That he walked out and didn't pay at a restaurant.

Not trying to defend AB as a person. I would never do the things that he's done and his actions are deplorable. But if anyone of us had 500 reporters ratcheting up and digging into our personal lives and trying to gain access to our entire life history, what could people find? Who knows what any of us have from our past . . . texts, emails, pictures, videos, lawsuits, jilted exes, late payments, heated exchanges with someone in a public place, people with axes to grind, etc.

Probably the best thing that could happen for all parties involved is if RG gave AB a very vague and ambiguous SUSPENSION for a few games for conduct unbecoming and made all of this go away. IMO, the exempt list is WAY WORSE than a suspension, as a player can sit on the exempt list for months if not an entire season and then STILL get suspended. If worded correctly, it would not be for any specific allegation so not to validate any one incident. If it happened immediately, the Patriots could live with it as they have a cupcake schedule until November. The accusers and those affected by Brown would feel somewhat vindicated. Brown avoids a lengthy trip to the exempt list and a longer suspension. That's a partial win for everyone.

 

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3 minutes ago, Doug B said:

One Captain-Obvious thing that your post reminds of:

There is a significant contingent of the national sports media that believes it's effed up, improper, and incorrect that Antonio Brown has an NFL job right now. But they're not content to merely heap dung on Brown from afar -- they want to effect change through their own actions as media. Whether it's finding that one smoking gun, or else finding a bunch more of smaller "mini-offenses" to throw on the bonfire ... they want him gone and will happily make themselves part of the news to make it happen.

To wit: Where was Klemko's SI article in, say, July?

As an extension to this (the media part), it has been reported that the league won't act until there is some sort of criminal investigation or the possibility of criminal charges. So the media (who doesn't think he should be playing) has been trying extra hard to dig up more dirt on AB (still not criminal in nature) and open things up to anything and anything to make him look even worse. Apparently their hope is by coming up with 1,000 plastic spoons that added together that will somehow translate into a single steak knife and have that serve as a deadly weapon.

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37 minutes ago, tackle for loss said:

Now read it pretending you are a woman who is suing him and was raped by him (allegedly).

They can be considered intimidating. What one person can say to one may not be intimidating to another. 

Wrong woman

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5 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

AB sent what he sent to his attorney. Dumb move but pretty sure he was not threatening her if he CC'd his attorney about his concerns.

Are his comments "Threatening"? "Menacing"? "Intimidating"? "Harassing?" With the intent to scare her? Those are words the media has put in the headlines. Another case AB using poor judgment, acting stupidly, and ill-advised. But criminal?

To me it sounds like he is concerned that another woman is fabricating a story about him as a potential candidate to demand money. He included pictures of her kids to illustrate that she is broke and needs money. I don't read any threats in what he sent, but others may view it differently. But people will see the headline that he THREATENED her so that's the perception people will have.

The woman and her attorney went right to the NFL . . . and by extension right to the media. So another potential instance of avoiding law enforcement or trying things in a court. But they know they will get AB convicted in a court of popular opinion.

I would expect there will be more and more layered on this and more is destined to come out. That he cheated on a test in school. That he was handsy with a woman on a date back in high school. That he was drunk in a bar in Michigan and called someone inappropriate names 10 years ago. That he walked out and didn't pay at a restaurant.

Not trying to defend AB as a person. I would never do the things that he's done and his actions are deplorable. But if anyone of us had 500 reporters ratcheting up and digging into our personal lives and trying to gain access to our entire life history, what could people find? Who knows what any of us have from our past . . . texts, emails, pictures, videos, lawsuits, jilted exes, late payments, heated exchanges with someone in a public place, people with axes to grind, etc.

Probably the best thing that could happen for all parties involved is if RG gave AB a very vague and ambiguous SUSPENSION for a few games for conduct unbecoming and made all of this go away. IMO, the exempt list is WAY WORSE than a suspension, as a player can sit on the exempt list for months if not an entire season and then STILL get suspended. If worded correctly, it would not be for any specific allegation so not to validate any one incident. If it happened immediately, the Patriots could live with it as they have a cupcake schedule until November. The accusers and those affected by Brown would feel somewhat vindicated. Brown avoids a lengthy trip to the exempt list and a longer suspension. That's a partial win for everyone.

 

If it weren’t for the pics of the kids I’d agree. Not sure what including them had to do with his point other than I know who your kids are. Cause they were wearing Carters clothes instead of Hanna Anderson, they’re poor? Dunno. Also the text about knowing where she’s going to be this weekend and asking ahead of time if anyone at the rally knows her can be seen as intimidating imo. Some crazy people in this world.

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8 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

 

To me it sounds like he is concerned that another woman is fabricating a story about him as a potential candidate to demand money. He included pictures of her kids to illustrate that she is broke and needs money. I don't read any threats in what he sent, but others may view it differently. But people will see the headline that he THREATENED her so that's the perception people will have.

 

 

How does putting pictures of someone's kids illustrate someone is broke again? 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, HULLOBUDMAN said:

How does putting pictures of someone's kids illustrate someone is broke again? 

 

 

Found the non parent

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Send a photo of my kids to anyone in almost any context and we are going to have a conversation.

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2 hours ago, socrates said:

I don't know that AB's text messages should be characterized as threatening.  He denied the claims and called her a "super broke girl" and claimed she had a lot of kids.  That is not especially intimidating.  Poor judgment? Absolutely.  Threatening?  Hardly.  Let's call off the lynching and allow AB due process.  Everyone is piling on AB now, including claims of dead fish and farting at his doctor's office.  If AB is the monster he has been described by his accusers as, I am confident he will face suspension, but let's not act too hastily.  Thus far, we have accusations.  Let the investigative process play out.  I am not defending AB, but the process that should be afforded an accused.

He included her on a group chat asking other people to dig up information on her.  It’s clearly an attempt to intimidate her. 

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15 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

He included pictures of her kids to illustrate that she is broke and needs money.

You lost me here. 

He sent intimidating text messages to a woman who claimed he sexually assaulted her & included pictures of her children. 😳

Thats....not good. 

On another note, how powerful is Nike? I mean, they dropped him yesterday before this news broke. Makes you wonder if a little bird told them this was coming before the public/media knew. 

 

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25 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

The guy is a POS but none of those text messages were intimidating or menacing

The existence of the text group identifying her to people she doesn’t know while she reads the chat alone is intimidating. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

He included her on a group chat asking other people to dig up information on her.  It’s clearly an attempt to intimidate her. 

When Henry Ford talks, I listen. I think intimidation is how the recipient feels about it, not how the sender feels. He's just dumb to do it. I think his career is coming to an abrupt end.

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1 minute ago, ffjunk said:

When Henry Ford talks, I listen. I think intimidation is how the recipient feels about it, not how the sender feels. He's just dumb to do it. I think his career is coming to an abrupt end.

I don’t know if his career will be okay or not, but if he had been my client this morning he wouldn’t be this afternoon. 

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7 minutes ago, ffjunk said:

Did she go to the NFL and the Media or did the NFL leak this? 

Probably her lawyer did. If she were my client I would send it to the media, and I hate litigating in the media.  

This is potentially a safety issue. Every person on that chain needs to know everyone is aware of the text chain and to lay off.  Completely. 

If the NFL did, I can think of no other reason than to justify an upcoming suspension. 

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

Probably her lawyer did. If she were my client I would send it to the media, and I hate litigating in the media.  

This is potentially a safety issue. Every person on that chain needs to know everyone is aware of the text chain and to lay off.  Completely. 

If the NFL did, I can think of no other reason than to justify an upcoming suspension. 

You are spot on today

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2 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

He included her on a group chat asking other people to dig up information on her.  It’s clearly an attempt to intimidate her. 

Exactly. I'm not sure why that's hard for some to grasp.

Trying to step into her shoes... she receives a group message from the person she pointed a finger at... he posts pictures of her children, asking one of his "investigators" (???) to look into her, he responds with "send me her info bro"...

Yes, pretty obvious to see why she (right-fully so) did not take this lightly given recent actions of the person behind the message and the resources available to him (not to mention the unconditional love he receives for being an NFL superstar creating a Teflon Don persona).

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2 minutes ago, brewer said:

Send a photo of my kids to anyone in almost any context and we are going to have a conversation.

Not trying to be a tool here, but is it just the picture that is gnawing at you?
Aren't the picture(s) he included posted on social media (ie anyone can view them)?
Would including a link instead have also been considered inappropriate?
 

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2 minutes ago, fruity pebbles said:

God, I hope AB ends up broke post NFL

When you think you are bigger than the game itself, it's a huge mistake. He's made the worst decisions for himself over and over again. 

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Just now, fruity pebbles said:

You are spot on today

Thanks.  I’m on a lot of painkillers. Probably keeps me objective by keeping me from actually caring or overthinking. 

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1 minute ago, Anarchy99 said:

Not trying to be a tool here, but is it just the picture that is gnawing at you?
Aren't the picture(s) he included posted on social media (ie anyone can view them)?
Would including a link instead have also been considered inappropriate?
 

The existence of the chat with her on it is inappropriate. 

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