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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I have been begging for the NFL for at least a decade  to scrap their system of justice involving player conduct and punishment and map out an actual schedule of what constitutes a violation and what the defined penalties will be (the same goes for teams and on-field rules infractions). Life would be so much easier for the league (and for fans to continue to be fans) if the CBA clearly stated that if a player does X, then the penalty is Y for a first offense and Z for a second offense, etc. More importantly, they need to stick to that, apply those rules equally, and then most of this type of stuff would most likely go away (or be reduced). Given the league's rulings over the years, they literally look like they threw a dart at a dartboard to determine their decisions. If Goodell wants to make an example of Brown, have at it . . . just make sure downstream you act in kind and respond accordingly.

That would likely work out about as well as mapping out what constitutes a catch.

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36 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

You can make a case it's threatening & intimidating, but it's one thing for sure (& just as bad), & that's harassment. Harassment is a violation of the PCP.

I like a show as much as anyone else, but the AB circus needs to end for everyone's sake. The NFL needs to do something & they need to do something soon (if the Pats don't beat them to it).

Harassment is usually in the form of continued action. If this is a one-off case of bad judgement and he ceases contact then this his not the definition of harassment. AB is Walking a very five line here, and I doubt he’ll be able to control himself, but to this point I understand why the Patriots have not acted yet.

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15 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

If I know BB like I think I know BB, it probably isn't that big of a distraction. He took questions for what, two minutes? The rest of the time he does what Bill does. Game planning, tape review, runs practices, scouting, etc. I really don't think it impacts him all that much. The P.R. stuff will get handled by other people in the organization. The media is absorbed with all things AB. I doubt BB even looks at the articles. So to the general NFL fan, we are distracted, but to BB, I don't think there is much that impacts him day to day. For now he is around and they are using Brown. If the league steps in and says he needs a timeout, then they move on without him.

BB rarely, if ever, takes his ball and goes home in a huff during a presser.  He seems to thrive on being evasive and giving the media as little information as possible.

But, maybe he doesn't care.  Like I said, winning cures everything.

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1 minute ago, J R said:

That would likely work out about as well as mapping out what constitutes a catch.

To lighten the mood, I remember when the catch / no catch thing was the issue of the moment. I was watching a game with a bunch of people at a holiday party that didn't know much about football, including a couple from overseas that had never seen a game. A catch / no catch moment and proceeding video review happened while we were watching. I explained what they were doing and what the complicated catch rules were, and they asked why they even have all those silly rules. It's clear whether he caught it or not. Maybe that should be the new barometer for some of these things. Have someone completely uniformed and neutral chime in on them to make the obvious right decision the one to go with instead of jumping through 48 hoops to get things wrong.

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23 minutes ago, Chaka said:

I agree, but I'd hat to be the guy who had to write that document.

That's why we should get @Henry Ford to do it.

$500 an hour billing rate including all time spent drinking to forget that I'm working on it on bad days, and I'm in.

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

$500 an hour billing rate including all time spent drinking to forget that I'm working on it on bad days, and I'm in.

I personally authorize Jerry Jones to agree to your terms.

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

$500 an hour billing rate including all time spent drinking to forget that I'm working on it on bad days, and I'm in.

Not enough. Add a zero to your hourly rate. I remember their Deflategate investigation, report, and court case cost like $22 million. My particular favorite was when they tested the PSI levels across the league the following season. Funny how they never released their findings.

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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

To lighten the mood, I remember when the catch / no catch thing was the issue of the moment. I was watching a game with a bunch of people at a holiday party that didn't know much about football, including a couple from overseas that had never seen a game. A catch / no catch moment and proceeding video review happened while we were watching. I explained what they were doing and what the complicated catch rules were, and they asked why they even have all those silly rules. It's clear whether he caught it or not. Maybe that should be the new barometer for some of these things. Have someone completely uniformed and neutral chime in on them to make the obvious right decision the one to go with instead of jumping through 48 hoops to get things wrong.

This is Rich Eisen's line of thinking.

If the game is on at a bar and the majority of the people there say it's a catch, then it's a catch.  Why make it harder than that?

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Just sent a super low ball offer for him.

 

Hell, it's the NFL, anything can happen. 

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46 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Not enough. Add a zero to your hourly rate. I remember their Deflategate investigation, report, and court case cost like $22 million. My particular favorite was when they tested the PSI levels across the league the following season. Funny how they never released their findings.

Almost as funny as to what happened to all those tapes of other teams' signals and walkthroughs the Patriots made. :shrug:

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2 hours ago, tricky92 said:

He’s an idiot and clearly a #####... but, I’ll await due process on wishing the destruction on his ability to make money and provide for his family. 

Agreed. Nobody wants to see his family have to scrape by on a meager $30 million (and counting).

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Michael McCann chimed in on a legal perspective on the recent developments. LINK
McCann writes for SI, which is the one that reported the dirt on AB this week.

To summarize, Brown could be subjected to state police involvement although he doesn't really think that will happen. He believes that for things to qualify as criminal harassment, Brown would have to repeatedly contact the woman and continue to display a pattern of intent to contact the woman against her wishes. It doesn't appear Brown has done anything to that level. The other component he mentions is the woman is entitled to a right to privacy . . . but given that her information has been blasted all over the internet (and not by Brown), that part doesn't seem to fit either. So probably not a great case and even more difficult to prove.

He does point out that the league has so far not acted on player communication, words, and threats as a basis for punishment but has acted on violent actions. But his position is that RG has plenty of ammunition to put AB on the exempt list. And he also feels enough may enough for NE and they could be reaching a point where that might be willing to move on. The issue remains as if a higher volume of similar incidents is enough to push Brown to the exempt list (or off the Patriots).

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2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Like you, I also haven't done anything noteworthy and have nothing more than one speeding ticket and one parking ticket to show for it. I have never been charged with a crime and have no record. But anyone that did digging would uncover the following.

Decades ago, I thought I was happily married and had two little kids. My wife at the time was apparently not happily married and strayed. She took off and left me with two kids in diapers. She emptied out our bank account on the way out the door. She also hadn't paid any bills in months (which I didn't know) and left me in the lurch. Nasty divorce and court case ensued.

False allegations were raised that I regularly beat her and abused her. No evidence, no witnesses, no police reports, no medical records, just her crying on the witness stand making the allegations. She was so convincing that my own attorneys wanted to drop me because I was such a monster. Suddenly I was investigated for all sorts of things and word leaked out that I was an alleged abuser. This went on FOR YEARS. People parted like the red sea and I was shunned.

For example, my former mother-in-law testified that I was drunk and disorderly and went on and on about the crazy behavior I displayed. She made it out like I had Bacardi on an IV drip every night. On cross, she admitted the only time she ever saw or heard of me drinking was once and only once and the kids were with an adult babysitter that night.

As the years went by, suddenly the private pre-school / kindergarten where the kids went got involved and basically wanted me to take my kids elsewhere. I did nothing to anyone there (teachers, administrators, kids, etc.), yet they didn't like the whispers they were hearing. That was rolled into an allegation by my ex- that I had abused the kids. Another investigation was launched and I was under constant scrutiny.

This went on for FIVE YEARS. Every time we went to court, there were new allegations. I was a hardcore drug user. I was an alcoholic. The kids were in danger. How could the court continue to leave the kids with a "monster." We finally got divorced and I got awarded the kids. None of her allegations held up after countless investigations.

After all that . . . things continued on FOR TEN MORE YEARS. In court once or twice a year for any possible minor issue. One of the kids got a cold . . . therefore I wasn't dressing them appropriately. One of the kids got a cavity . . . I must not be feeding them properly. One of them was playing catch and missed the ball and got a bruise . . . all the court heard was her version that I punched him in the face. I was constantly under investigation by Children and Youth Services. They were at my house so regularly that I had coffee and tea ready for the same case worker and investigator that had to come and make sure there was food in the fridge, no guns laying around, no evidence of drug use, no safety concerns, etc. Even the investigator felt badly for me that there was never any merit to the allegations but they had to come check on them anyway. I didn't get angry . . . she was doing her job.

She fabricated stories that I attacked her. That I threatened her. That I smashed her car windows in with a golf club or a baseball bat. Since her attorneys kept telling he she needed actual evidence of abuse to either her or the kids, one time she beat herself up and took pictures and tried to pass off that I did it. The problem she ran into was when she described her story in great detail and swore up and down on the details and the date, I was 1,000 miles away and hadn't been around for a week before and a week after.

Bottom line, all of this cost me six figures to defend myself for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I had a job, I lived in a house in a good neighborhood, I raised my kids, and I was absolutely squeaky clean. But if the media got involved, I would look like I belonged on the FBI's Most Wanted List. They would have a field day with me about DOZENS of allegations. The press could talk to my ex, her family, and her friends and I would look like a serial sex abuser, child molester, wife beater, and drug abusing alcoholic.

So yeah, I am a little touchy when it comes to allegations.

Damn dude, that is MESSED UP!  I'm so sorry you and your kids had to deal with that for so long.  What's crazy to me is that SHE is the one who strayed and was unfaithful but yet treated you like the one who cheated on her.  She was bat-poop crazy, wasn't she?  

 

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

@Soulfly3 with his best, “pardon me, I speak jive.”

Helen Hayes got nuthin on you, bruh. 

Gimme some slack Jack!

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4 minutes ago, Rhythmdoctor said:

She was bat-poop crazy, wasn't she?  

 

You have to ask???

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2 minutes ago, apalmer said:

Barbara Billingsley

Oh! Correct - Hayes was in the original Airport that spoofed. :) 

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14 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Agreed. Nobody wants to see his family have to scrape by on a meager $30 million (and counting).

I’d bet it’s almost all gone.

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4 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Gimme some slack Jack!

Shiiiiiiiiiiiit 

(gollly!)

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48 minutes ago, Rhythmdoctor said:

Damn dude, that is MESSED UP!  I'm so sorry you and your kids had to deal with that for so long.  What's crazy to me is that SHE is the one who strayed and was unfaithful but yet treated you like the one who cheated on her.  She was bat-poop crazy, wasn't she?  

I could go on and on, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. There's actually way more to the story that makes it even crazier. The unfortunate outcome was after years in court, eventually we got to 50/50 custody. And then after one of her crazy accusations I ended up losing custody of one of the kids to her on a complete BS maneuver. 

Pretending to be all concerned that the kids were having a hard time, she asked that we go to family counseling (her, me, and the two kids). We set an appointment and went to meet with a therapist and went 6 or 8 times. However, when we went, we both had to sign an initial intake form. We had to include a description of why we wanted to meet with a counselor. She wrote down what I just mentioned (kids having a hard time adjusting). I signed it and thought we were done.

Imagine my surprise when we ended up in court and I was asked about the kids going to counseling and why we had gone there. That intake form was presented as evidence and I was asked if I had signed it. And wouldn't you know, now it read . . . "Kids having a hard time adjusting due to physical abuse and emotional trauma caused by father at his home." She ADDED that little tidbit after I had signed the first part and THEN submitted it to the counselor.

That's when she alleged I went crazy and threatened her, threatened to beat up our son again, and broke her car windows at her apartment. The police took her allegations so seriously that they parked an unmarked cruiser on a stakeout down the street from her house for three days to make sure I didn't come back to finish her off. They put out an APB to bring me in but apparently couldn't locate me. I didn't even find out about it until we went to court.

She demanded a court investigator (again) to investigate me (the cost of which usually is split between the parties), but I said enough is enough, how many times are we going to go through the same dog and pony show? The court ordered another investigation provided she signed that she would be fully responsible for paying for it. Of course, she never paid the guy and then he came after me for payment even though THE COURT said I was not obligated to pay. He argued that the the collection of court investigators has an agreement with the court that both parties are fully responsible to pay for investigators and the court could not go against that doctrine. So he refused to honor the court order that I was not financially responsible and came after me and suited me for payment. Literally, you can't make this stuff up.

So she ended up getting custody of our son and I had to start giving her child support. After that, without telling me, she moved 2,000 miles away to live with someone else. But she left the kids behind. It started dawning on me that something was up when they kept bugging me for rides, money, food, etc. What sort of a person leaves two teenagers unattended to live on their own? (My daughter continued to go back and forth between my house and my ex's.) Finally they fessed up and said they hadn't even seen their mom for 6-8 months. I immediately stopped giving her child support, but there was no point in pursuing anything through the court. By the time we would have gone back to court, the kids would have been 18 and therefore the court would have nothing to decide anymore because they would have aged out of the court being able to make decisions for them. Talk about mentally exhausting.

EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that her uncle was the chief of police, who manipulated the court case and threatened to have someone "find" a baggy of cocaine in my car on a traffic stop. If anyone knows who to report a chief of police to, I would have been all years at the time. And good luck trying to report him, like anyone would have taken me seriously. Yeah, this was an ordeal that I thought I mostly have blocked out . . . but I guess I never really did.

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Like you, I also haven't done anything noteworthy and have nothing more than one speeding ticket and one parking ticket to show for it. I have never been charged with a crime and have no record. But anyone that did digging would uncover the following.

Decades ago, I thought I was happily married and had two little kids. My wife at the time was apparently not happily married and strayed. She took off and left me with two kids in diapers. She emptied out our bank account on the way out the door. She also hadn't paid any bills in months (which I didn't know) and left me in the lurch. Nasty divorce and court case ensued.

False allegations were raised that I regularly beat her and abused her. No evidence, no witnesses, no police reports, no medical records, just her crying on the witness stand making the allegations. She was so convincing that my own attorneys wanted to drop me because I was such a monster. Suddenly I was investigated for all sorts of things and word leaked out that I was an alleged abuser. This went on FOR YEARS. People parted like the red sea and I was shunned.

For example, my former mother-in-law testified that I was drunk and disorderly and went on and on about the crazy behavior I displayed. She made it out like I had Bacardi on an IV drip every night. On cross, she admitted the only time she ever saw or heard of me drinking was once and only once and the kids were with an adult babysitter that night.

As the years went by, suddenly the private pre-school / kindergarten where the kids went got involved and basically wanted me to take my kids elsewhere. I did nothing to anyone there (teachers, administrators, kids, etc.), yet they didn't like the whispers they were hearing. That was rolled into an allegation by my ex- that I had abused the kids. Another investigation was launched and I was under constant scrutiny.

This went on for FIVE YEARS. Every time we went to court, there were new allegations. I was a hardcore drug user. I was an alcoholic. The kids were in danger. How could the court continue to leave the kids with a "monster." We finally got divorced and I got awarded the kids. None of her allegations held up after countless investigations.

After all that . . . things continued on FOR TEN MORE YEARS. In court once or twice a year for any possible minor issue. One of the kids got a cold . . . therefore I wasn't dressing them appropriately. One of the kids got a cavity . . . I must not be feeding them properly. One of them was playing catch and missed the ball and got a bruise . . . all the court heard was her version that I punched him in the face. I was constantly under investigation by Children and Youth Services. They were at my house so regularly that I had coffee and tea ready for the same case worker and investigator that had to come and make sure there was food in the fridge, no guns laying around, no evidence of drug use, no safety concerns, etc. Even the investigator felt badly for me that there was never any merit to the allegations but they had to come check on them anyway. I didn't get angry . . . she was doing her job.

She fabricated stories that I attacked her. That I threatened her. That I smashed her car windows in with a golf club or a baseball bat. Since her attorneys kept telling he she needed actual evidence of abuse to either her or the kids, one time she beat herself up and took pictures and tried to pass off that I did it. The problem she ran into was when she described her story in great detail and swore up and down on the details and the date, I was 1,000 miles away and hadn't been around for a week before and a week after.

Bottom line, all of this cost me six figures to defend myself for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I had a job, I lived in a house in a good neighborhood, I raised my kids, and I was absolutely squeaky clean. But if the media got involved, I would look like I belonged on the FBI's Most Wanted List. They would have a field day with me about DOZENS of allegations. The press could talk to my ex, her family, and her friends and I would look like a serial sex abuser, child molester, wife beater, and drug abusing alcoholic.

So yeah, I am a little touchy when it comes to allegations.

Man really sorry to hear you had to go through this.  

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3 hours ago, The Frankman said:

holy ####

 

https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1174912990333685760

 

I'm sorry not enough facepalms for this.

"A man who sounded like AB answered. I introduced myself. He hung up. In a text, I asked him if he would share proof of his claim that the woman asked him for money. He replied “foh clown”   So we’re extremely confident that’s AB who sent the text messages."

Which part convinced them this is AB?  The fact that somebody answered the phone who "sounded like AB"? Or was it the "foh clown"?  This just gets crazier all the time.  I have no clue how you can confidently identify someone from answering a phone or texting "foh clown".   In the words of Col. Jessup, "Please tell me you have something more."  Please tell me you haven't pinned your claims on an unidentified man saying "hello" and a text message saying "foh clown".  Please tell me this isn't the depth of your claim that this has to be AB.

Look, I believe AB sent the text, and I suspect that will come out in short order, but this is not especially convincing.  By all accounts, AB is a racist, a womanizer, a thug and about as bright as a dirt clod, but until there is more than mere accusations, he should be allowed to play.  That said, I don't believe it will take much evidence to convince Roger Goodell to put AB on the Exempt List.

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5 hours ago, Dizzy said:

You're correct in there does not seem to be a direct threat, but just the act of targeting her via messaging and posting pictures of her children while asking this mysterious "Eric B" to "look into her background history" can certainly be seen as threatening.

Her lawyer makes a strong point about this sort of behavior being a primary reason why women are afraid to come forward.

Having said that... has it been confirmed that this group text was sent by AB? If it was, I believe that he will be taking a seat.

What makes this interesting, I think, is that whether or not the intent was to threaten and/or intimidate, her lawyer can credibly spin it that way....

"these text messages, which are clearly intended to threaten and intimidate her"

pretty sure the exempt list or a short suspension is coming for this specific episode.

 

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25 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I could go on and on, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. There's actually way more to the story that makes it even crazier. The unfortunate outcome was after years in court, eventually we got to 50/50 custody. And then after one of her crazy accusations I ended up losing custody of one of the kids to her on a complete BS maneuver. 

Pretending to be all concerned that the kids were having a hard time, she asked that we go to family counseling (her, me, and the two kids). We set an appointment and went to meet with a therapist and went 6 or 8 times. However, when we went, we both had to sign an initial intake form. We had to include a description of why we wanted to meet with a counselor. She wrote down what I just mentioned (kids having a hard time adjusting). I signed it and thought we were done.

Imagine my surprise when we ended up in court and I was asked about the kids going to counseling and why we had gone there. That intake form was presented as evidence and I was asked if I had signed it. And wouldn't you know, now it read . . . "Kids having a hard time adjusting due to physical abuse and emotional trauma caused by father at his home." She ADDED that little tidbit after I had signed the first part and THEN submitted it to the counselor.

That's when she alleged I went crazy and threatened her, threatened to beat up our son again, and broke her car windows at her apartment. The police took her allegations so seriously that they parked an unmarked cruiser on a stakeout down the street from her house for three days to make sure I didn't come back to finish her off. They put out an APB to bring me in but apparently couldn't locate me. I didn't even find out about it until we went to court.

She demanded a court investigator (again) to investigate me (the cost of which usually is split between the parties), but I said enough is enough, how many times are we going to go through the same dog and pony show? The court ordered another investigation provided she signed that she would be fully responsible for paying for it. Of course, she never paid the guy and then he came after me for payment even though THE COURT said I was not obligated to pay. He argued that the the collection of court investigators has an agreement with the court that both parties are fully responsible to pay for investigators and the court could not go against that doctrine. So he refused to honor the court order that I was not financially responsible and came after me and suited me for payment. Literally, you can't make this stuff up.

So she ended up getting custody of our son and I had to start giving her child support. After that, without telling me, she moved 2,000 miles away to live with someone else. But she left the kids behind. It started dawning on me that something was up when they kept bugging me for rides, money, food, etc. What sort of a person leaves two teenagers unattended to live on their own? (My daughter continued to go back and forth between my house and my ex's.) Finally they fessed up and said they hadn't even seen their mom for 6-8 months. I immediately stopped giving her child support, but there was no point in pursuing anything through the court. By the time we would have gone back to court, the kids would have been 18 and therefore the court would have nothing to decide anymore because they would have aged out of the court being able to make decisions for them. Talk about mentally exhausting.

Damn dude.

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2 minutes ago, socrates said:

That said, I don't believe it will take much evidence to convince Roger Goodell to put AB on the Exempt List.

I think any sane person thinks Brown is not a good person to the highest degree. But the issue will be if Goodell acts on this, will he be opening things up that in the future, any civil court filings, social media posts, isolated texts or emails, YouTube videos, unverified media reports, and similar accusations will result in players getting placed on the exempt list (or suspended). We all know the lifestyles these players lead and we also know that there are plenty of women lining up to partake in such a lifestyle. I get that not all of them are going to file lawsuits (and hopefully not many are assaulted), but as much as we want to condemn Brown for what he is doing, exempting AB would encourage others to make allegations (and potentially file more lawsuits).

To make an extreme example, say the Chiefs win the AFCCG and are headed to the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Mahomes is from Texas. Out of the woodwork, an old flame immediately files a civil suit claiming he assaulted her and sues him for damages. Assume they had some sort of relationship and it becomes a he said she said. Now what? If Brown gets exempted, Mahomes should have to be too. But people will say "but this case is different." Would that situation really be all that different? People will say Mahomes hasn't acted crazy . . . but there would be a media feeding frenzy on Mahomes just like there is now with Brown. It could very easily end up with where we are now with AB. None of this excuses Brown's behavior, but it will be tough for RG to review more cases like this and come to completely different conclusions. 

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

So yeah, I am a little touchy when it comes to allegations.

Thanks for sharing that painful history.

My little contribution is to mention that my wife is a victim of sexual abuse for over a decade during her childhood and she consistently says the only person she hates more than the rapist is the false accuser, because of the damage they perpetrate on others directly (innocent alleged perpetrators) and indirectly (real victims).

I have a friend who's husband spent time in jail for having relations with a 17 year old who had a fake ID saying she was 21.

I remember Robin Givens getting half.

Money grabs are real, even if #MeToo wants to overlook that to leverage its societal inertia.

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6 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

Interesting. See, I know my organization would fire a doctor who behaved in this say, even if he was top 5 in the world. 

Entertainment industry is different, for obvious reasons, but this statement above is quite ridiculous as a retort to anyone who says theyd be fired

Plenty of CEOs that get away with lots of garbage as well. This behavior is also prevalent in academia and I'm sure plenty of industries.

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21 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I think any sane person thinks Brown is not a good person to the highest degree. But the issue will be if Goodell acts on this, will he be opening things up that in the future, any civil court filings, social media posts, isolated texts or emails, YouTube videos, unverified media reports, and similar accusations will result in players getting placed on the exempt list (or suspended). We all know the lifestyles these players lead and we also know that there are plenty of women lining up to partake in such a lifestyle. I get that not all of them are going to file lawsuits (and hopefully not many are assaulted), but as much as we want to condemn Brown for what he is doing, exempting AB would encourage others to make allegations (and potentially file more lawsuits).

To make an extreme example, say the Chiefs win the AFCCG and are headed to the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Mahomes is from Texas. Out of the woodwork, an old flame immediately files a civil suit claiming he assaulted her and sues him for damages. Assume they had some sort of relationship and it becomes a he said she said. Now what? If Brown gets exempted, Mahomes should have to be too. But people will say "but this case is different." Would that situation really be all that different? People will say Mahomes hasn't acted crazy . . . but there would be a media feeding frenzy on Mahomes just like there is now with Brown. It could very easily end up with where we are now with AB. None of this excuses Brown's behavior, but it will be tough for RG to review more cases like this and come to completely different conclusions. 

That is why I said "until there is more than mere accusations, he should be allowed to play."  I simply do not think the threshold of corroborating evidence is going to be particularly high in this case, given the multitude of alleged incidents and the corresponding media frenzy.  Each case should be evaluated independent of other cases that have preceded it and decided on its own merits, so Goodell should not worry about how this affects future cases.  The exempt list is a tool available to the League, but I do not support using it to truncate the investigative process.  I can foresee situations where a claim is so egregious that it would be necessary to invoke such a measure (exempting a player until the League is able to investigate the matter), but I do not think this rises to that level.

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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

To make an extreme example, say the Chiefs win the AFCCG and are headed to the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Mahomes is from Texas. Out of the woodwork, an old flame immediately files a civil suit claiming he assaulted her and sues him for damages. Assume they had some sort of relationship and it becomes a he said she said. Now what? If Brown gets exempted, Mahomes should have to be too. But people will say "but this case is different." Would that situation really be all that different?

One big difference is that there wouldn't be the calvacade of bad behavior in the months leading up to Mahomes hypothetical civil suit.

I don't think an in-a-vacuum, singular civil suit is comparable to Brown's past several months. Mahomes would be treated differently. I think it would go more like Jerome Bettis' 2002 accusations -- a woman accused Bettis of sexual assault, but her story didn't stand up to even cursory investigation and the case was dropped in less than two months.

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

I have been begging for the NFL for at least a decade  to scrap their system of justice involving player conduct and punishment and map out an actual schedule of what constitutes a violation and what the defined penalties will be (the same goes for teams and on-field rules infractions). Life would be so much easier for the league (and for fans to continue to be fans) if the CBA clearly stated that if a player does X, then the penalty is Y for a first offense and Z for a second offense, etc. More importantly, they need to stick to that, apply those rules equally, and then most of this type of stuff would most likely go away (or be reduced). Given the league's rulings over the years, they literally look like they threw a dart at a dartboard to determine their decisions. If Goodell wants to make an example of Brown, have at it . . . just make sure downstream you act in kind and respond accordingly.

Yeah, but my guess is that even the best list probably wouldn't have had an entry for "approached an acquaintance who has shown no previous romantic interest while wearing only a wash cloth covering the genitals"

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The Patriots have released WR Antonio Brown.

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Bye. May he never touch a field again.

May the world never forget Bill wanted to look the other way and did so after he concocted a get away scheme for said player then let him play for a week even after the reports were out.

 

 

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Just told my friend to do a trade that involved, among other pieces, him giving D. Adams and getting AB. I’m putting his messages on Do Not Disturb

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A little different direction here, but just watched the highlights of Belichick's presser today which ended with him walking out after a 5th consecutive AB/off field question...

Is this exactly what reporters have been waiting for? They've been subjected to BB's "I hate answering questions" schtick for so many years, and now they have a story that they really do have the right to ask about, and BB cannot stand it. Will this "wow, we're actually bothering Bill Belichick" be a daily thing?

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That's gotta be it for him, right? At least for this year. Only way I see him making it back to the NFL is if he lays low over the next year and the investigations somehow reveal that the women are definitely lying. At that point, maybe some team takes a chance.

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Just now, Dizzy said:

A little different direction here, but just watched the highlights of Belichick's presser today which ended with him walking out after a 5th consecutive AB/off field question...

Is this exactly what reporters have been waiting for? They've been subjected to BB's "I hate answering questions" schtick for so many years, and now they have a story that they really do have the right to ask about, and BB cannot stand it. Will this "wow, we're actually bothering Bill Belichick" be a daily thing?

never mind

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I was buying in spots where I could. It's amazing that AB can't keep his mouth shut. He is literally unraveling before our eyes. It's tough to think he will get another shot this year. Maybe he gets another spin if he keeps out of trouble for the year. 

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So is there another receiver that is now a good target to pick up?

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As a Raider fan, multiple-league Josh Gordon owner, and forever til the day he dies Tony Clown hater,

#### YEAH

Eat it a fat bag of them, TC!

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So they employed a murderer and now it appears most likely a sexual predator. 

They have been a part of many scandals as a franchise.

Their owner loves rub and tugs.

Can we stop with what they call the "Patriot way" now?

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